Hulk Hogan/FOTH gets his ass handed to him over and over again
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Luther_Hull
Cunt.
Define outwrestle.
IrishCanadian25
Going on 10 years with WrestleZone
It's like "outpost." For example:
FOTH can post, but he can't outpost the likes of: IC25, Norcal, Slim, Luther, Spawn, Polley, Klunder, Sam, Sly, Cola, Coco, Ricky, Jake, AJ, Papa Shango, Melon Farmer, Sex Offender, DJ Supreme, justinsayne, FlameLeeUk, and prolly more.
Mighty NorCal
SHALL WE BEGIN?
The only people who even come remotley close to hogan in that list are Bret Hart and Sting. Of which none of them are even on the same level.
Mighty NorCal
SHALL WE BEGIN?
you still havent told us what makes a good wrestler. we are all still intently waiting for that.
IrishCanadian25
Going on 10 years with WrestleZone
He won't. He can't. He's hanging out in here trying to push the buttons of the intelligent posters who can back up their opinions either way while making no case of any substance whatsoever. That is why he's in the bar room and not posting in the general forums - out there, he's a spammer. In here, he's just another average dullard.
Sigh, and he went with the "Knows More Move argument".
Hey, the olympics are coming up, watch the guys wrestling on the circle in singlets.
LOL
You are getting to be borderline ridiculous.
It's one thing to throw in guys like Hart, HBK or even Sting, but when you start throwing in guys who couldn't catch heat with a tank of kerosene and a blowtorch, it's time to drop the charade.
First of all, let's take Samoa Joe. The guy is atrocious out of the ring, and barely passable in the ring. If you've seen one Samoa Joe match, you've seen them all. Which, isn't always a bad thing, except that Samoa Joe matches generally aren't that good, unless he has someone who is exceptional at bumping for him. Joe is a one trick pony. All high impact offense, and NOTHING to go with it. No selling, no storytelling, little charisma in the ring, and his matches look fake as hell. When he gets someone like AJ Styles with him, who bumps like a god, or even a Punk (who does sell well generally) then Joe looks good. Otherwise, Joe is exposed for the mundane worker he really is.
Then, remember the kerosene comment? Yeah, that means we're talking about Bryan Danielson. Sure, the guy can get a pop from the 150 smarks that sell out the local high school multi-purpose facility, but put the guy in front of an actual audience, and he'll bore people with his work. And, if you bore people, how can you be entertaining? And if you're not entertaining, how can you be good?
The simple fact is that so many misguided fans judge the quality of wrestlers based upon their offensive arsenal, and not on the things that truly determine quality wrestlers. Just because guys an do chain wrestling or flips or suplexes, doesn't make them a good wrestler. A wrestler's offensive repertoire has nothing to do with quality.
Instead, quality comes from the six tools of a professional wrestler; 5 are based on in-ring performance, and the sixth out of ring.
In-ring:
1. Storytelling
2. Psychology
3. Workrate
4. Selling
5. Charisma
Out-ring:
6. Promo ability
The better an individual is at each one of those things, the better worker they are. Notice NOTHING in there has to do with the style of a worker, or the offense he uses, but rather the abstract and deeper attributes of quality wrestling.
Mighty NorCal
SHALL WE BEGIN?
and THATS what he has to say to Sly after all that.
CRUSHED
But, he's not in the WWE, which kind of proves the point.
But hey, we have some basis for background. Take James Gipson, for example. The guy was and still is, revered by ROH fans for his work in Ring of Honor. And yet, Jamie Noble is little more than a glorified jobber.
Now, that is not to say that Danielson, at some point, COULDN'T become a good worker. CM Punk, for example, has improved tremendously in the short amount of time he's been associated with the WWE (in OVW and on WWE programming). Now, while he still has a very long way to go, his work is better now than anything he did in ROH. The same could happen with Danielson.
But, if you take the Bryan Danielson that you see in ROH, and place him in the WWE, and the guy gets "boring" chants. Because the guy just simply isn't a good worker.
Mighty NorCal
SHALL WE BEGIN?
yeeeuup. remember the torid Jaimie Noble Vs Phsycosis bouts?? Vs JUvi Guerrera?? ON PAY PER VEIW. You could hear a mouse pissing on a cotton ball in those arenas.
Steamboat Ricky
WZCW's Living Legend
HOLY CRAP...did you really just list Samoa Joe in with the likes of Eddie, Hart, Angle, Sting, and HBK?
I recently remember watching TNA and seeing Joe and Steiner putting on the WORST display of wrestling I've EVER seen. The whole match could have been a botchamania episode.
I recently remember watching TNA and seeing Joe and Steiner putting on the WORST display of wrestling I've EVER seen. The whole match could have been a botchamania episode.
Steamboat Ricky
WZCW's Living Legend
Shocky owned.
Stupid accent.
And yet he's more over then he's ever been, and is holding one of the two most important belts in the business? Must suck to be a shell of your former self then
Steamboat Ricky
WZCW's Living Legend
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Luther_Hull
Cunt.
They're all fake moves, wrestling's predetermined.
On some level I sympathize with FOTH here. It is sooo easy to fall into the trap of linking moves to ability. When you first become a wrestling fan, especially as a teen, your first instinct is to watch youtube and wiki it's history. You have no emotional attachment to the matches, so you just look at the offense. When researching wikipedia you see the move lists and it is hard not to be lured in. I came deathly close to a point where I would only care about moves. Fortunately I decided to watch a ROH match to see what the hype was about...it was unbearable.