How Would You Repair the Damage to TNA/IW as a Brand?

[WorldChampionJustin]

First. Lets look at the talent I would use as top tier talent or mid-carders.

Pushed Wrestlers (Male): Abyss, Austin Aries, Bobby Roode, Eric Young, EC3, Gunner, Storm, The Hardys, Bobby Lashley, Magnus, Mr. Anderson, MVP, Samoa Joe, and Tyrus.

Pushed Divas (Female): Gail Kim and Havoc, that's all I can really see working with, sorry guys and gals.

I would have the biggest rivalry in TNA history be with Bobby Roode and EC3. They are both favorites of mine, and could put on a great rivalry, it would be great to see. Another great rivalry could be Abyss and Mr. Anderson, Anderson obviously being an underdog, while Abyss would be an unstoppable monster. My last big war of this TNA Era I would have is Lashley and Samoa Joe, that could be a great war in TNA Wrestling, they would both be seen as legitimate beasts, one a submission master, another more of a brawling type performer.

As much as you people hate this, TV-14 isn't fit for wrestling. The Attitude Era is ridiculously over rated, the only wrestling era that had TV-14, it was different, so we bought into it, this would bring in more audiences then just men, and could actually be seen as a threat to WWE when it comes to support from the community.

The prestige of the titles are good, but, the other storylines could use work, from what I noticed, the events from TNA for the past two weeks mainly built up to the TNA World Championship, and the TNA Tag Team Championships. I want classic rivalries that mean more then a title and have nothing to do with it, such as the Anderson/Bully war from like, last year. That meant something, it was a highly entertaining feud for me at least, and they went really far with it and I really wanted Anderson to be a world champion after it, obviously it didn't turn out that way, but oh well.

Also, I want Roode to defeat Lashley and carry this company, Roode can do it better then anyone.

 

[Fabulous Freebirds]

On point 2- that doesn't matter if you aren't making enough money to fund your operations. Over the past year and a half, you would have to be willfully blind (which, some posters do make it a point to be) to see that TNA has been in financial trouble. The goal of professional wrestling isn't to make entertaining television, the goal of professional wrestling is to get people to watch so that they can sell merchandise and advertising.

By any metric that means anything, the WWE has always put on better television than TNA has. Even if the WWE has a magic brainwashing machine that forces people to watch against their better judgement- why doesn't TNA have one of those?

On point 4- The only important job of an owner beyond providing base funding (excluding the small business owner/operator case) is to hire the people that will execute your business plan. She tried to do that? She failed. There are no 'good effort' ribbons in the real world, you either get shit done or you don't. So yes, the blame lies exactly at the feet of Dixie Carter, for being the latest person in the professional wrestling world to get hustled by Eric Bischoff's con game. (Admittedly, he is really, really good at his con game. That's not an insult, I admire how someone has built a lucrative career on the basis of two unsustainable years of success with WCW.)

As far as the 'there's just no market for professional wrestling anymore' argument, save it. That's the latest trope hauled out by the diehards, who want to do anything but look at the reasons why TNA's put themselves in the hole that they're in. It's no mystery why TNA has had a steadily slipping audience this past year (that 1.0 last year is now holding steady between a 0.8-0.9)- they spent stupid sums of money on the basis that people would want to tune in to watch a 60+ fading star, his buddies and their kids. They kept throwing good money after bad, until there was no more money coming down the Carter pipeline and they couldn't pay their employees.

Your personal enjoyment of a product is completely irrelevant to a business situation, unless your personal enjoyment is joined by enough personal enjoyment of other people to increase the payment TNA receives to produce their show. Have they put on great professional wrestling performances lately? Absolutely. Has that mattered for a damn thing? Not one bit.

1 - TNA is making money on international TV deals along with the current deal with Spike TV for the past 9 years. They are on 150 countries around the world. So, you cannot deny that. Where do you think advertising comes from? On television. That's where TNA has been financially successful in that department. They are not airing their shows for free.

2 - Two unsustainable years in WCW? That's really a biased against Eric Bischoff. Those two years WCW made 60 million in profits. He was a good candidate to advise TNA on what to do and what not to do from a programming side of things.

3 -

• ROH only got 10,000 buys on PPV despite all the ballyhoo about how it is a great wrestling product. They are stuck on midnight in syndication across the country.
  
• Other than labeling an upcoming NJPW PPV as one of their own, GFW has yet to make any announcements about a TV show and reports are that their progress is going really slow. Struggling to find a network willing to give them a chance.
  
• 3 hours of RAW each week is hurting the WWE fans and the viewership drops hour after hour.
  
• Impact moving to a safe night on Wednesday has not gained any audience willing to check it out.

I have more than enough evidence supporting my belief that wrestling is in a dead period and there is no demand for it in the year 2014 and on as it was back in the attitude era.


4 - I am just giving TNA the credit it deserves. Since June, their shows have been very good. Has it mattered one bit? Well, the ratings are the same and they are putting up great shows. That's not TNA's problem. That says more about what the audience wants to watch.

Not a coincidence that Vince Russo's crash TV / Sports entertainment has drawn better ratings for TNA in 2009, 2010 and 2011 in comparison to the straight up pure wrestling shows of year.

 

[Rayne]

1 - TNA is making money on international TV deals along with the current deal with Spike TV for the past 9 years. They are on 150 countries around the world. So, you cannot deny that. Where do you think advertising comes from? On television. That's where TNA has been financially successful in that department. They are not airing their shows for free.

2 - Two unsustainable years in WCW? That's really a biased against Eric Bischoff. Those two years WCW made 60 million in profits. He was a good candidate to advise TNA on what to do and what not to do from a programming side of things.

3 -

• ROH only got 10,000 buys on PPV despite all the ballyhoo about how it is a great wrestling product. They are stuck on midnight in syndication across the country.
• Other than labeling an upcoming NJPW PPV as one of their own, GFW has yet to make any announcements about a TV show and reports are that their progress is going really slow. Struggling to find a network willing to give them a chance.
• 3 hours of RAW each week is hurting the WWE fans and the viewership drops hour after hour.
• Impact moving to a safe night on Wednesday has not gained any audience willing to check it out.

I have more than enough evidence supporting my belief that wrestling is in a dead period and there is no demand for it in the year 2014 and on as it was back in the attitude era.


4 - I am just giving TNA the credit it deserves. Since June, their shows have been very good. Has it mattered one bit? Well, the ratings are the same and they are putting up great shows. That's not TNA's problem. That says more about what the audience wants to watch.

Not a coincidence that Vince Russo's crash TV / Sports entertainment has drawn better ratings for TNA in 2009, 2010 and 2011 in comparison to the straight up pure wrestling shows of year.

1- Sure I can deny that. "Making money" is different than "making a profit". Obviously they're getting paid to produce a television show; that's the case for every television program in existence except for local cable access. The goal isn't simply to get paid to produce a show, but get enough revenue to cover your expenses, as well as generate a profit for the owner. TNA's been on a massive cost cutting mission these past six months; they're trying to bring down expenses to be in line with the revenue they're generating.

2- Riddle me this then- why did Eric Bischoff get replaced with an accountant? Because he spent an absolute shitload of money to generate unsustainable profits. The model he produced wasn't a sustainable one, and when the crash hit, it wiped out the company.

3- You're producing numbers independent of analysis. ROH isn't 'stuck' on midnight; they're owned by a small-distribution satellite company which uses them to draw people to their other programming. Their ownership has no interest in trying to create a massive professional wrestling company, as that would require a large investment of resources which they've calculated wouldn't bring in enough viewers to make it worthwhile. You're making the assumption that every professional wrestling promotion wants to be as big as possible, which is faulty- the current goal of ROH is to maintain a reasonably sized promotion whose revenue is able to fund itself. The fact that there isn't a current wild demand for professional wrestling programming doesn't imply that there's a negative demand for professional wrestling programming. Beyond the seasonal dip that occurs every year between August and December for RAW, they've been producing steady ratings for the past several years, in addition to launching new, well-received programming outside of the traditional realm of professional wrestling. If three hours of RAW was hurting the advertising revenue, USA would have only contracted for two hours in their most recent negotiations and replaced that third hour with another show, but the WWE is still their biggest drawer of advertising dollars.

4- Yes, it's exactly TNA's problem. Again, "trying" doesn't mean shit. They aren't 'putting on great shows', they're putting on good professional wrestling performances, which you can see for $15 from your local independent promotion in restaurant function rooms across the country. If they were putting on great shows, they'd be building an audience, instead of scrambling to find a network. I understand you want to give TNA credit for trying, but that shit stops in high school.

 

[whoopin' ass]

The big thing is quit trying to be wwe and try to be different. Eric Young is a great example - only reason he was made champ was because they were hoping to duplicate wwe and Daniel Bryan. It was a bad idea yet they keep referencing back to it. Why keep bring it up when it was so unsuccessful? It is a lack of focus. Dixie may be a nice person but she obviously doesn't have what it takes to run TNA properly. Remember Mania - asking what TNA had planned right before Mania and being upset when they had nothing. If they had someone in charge who was focused on making the company successful and not caring what wwe was doing would make a huge difference.

 

[Fabulous Freebirds]

1- Sure I can deny that. "Making money" is different than "making a profit". Obviously they're getting paid to produce a television show; that's the case for every television program in existence except for local cable access. The goal isn't simply to get paid to produce a show, but get enough revenue to cover your expenses, as well as generate a profit for the owner. TNA's been on a massive cost cutting mission these past six months; they're trying to bring down expenses to be in line with the revenue they're generating.

2- Riddle me this then- why did Eric Bischoff get replaced with an accountant? Because he spent an absolute shitload of money to generate unsustainable profits. The model he produced wasn't a sustainable one, and when the crash hit, it wiped out the company.

3- You're producing numbers independent of analysis. ROH isn't 'stuck' on midnight; they're owned by a small-distribution satellite company which uses them to draw people to their other programming. Their ownership has no interest in trying to create a massive professional wrestling company, as that would require a large investment of resources which they've calculated wouldn't bring in enough viewers to make it worthwhile. You're making the assumption that every professional wrestling promotion wants to be as big as possible, which is faulty- the current goal of ROH is to maintain a reasonably sized promotion whose revenue is able to fund itself. The fact that there isn't a current wild demand for professional wrestling programming doesn't imply that there's a negative demand for professional wrestling programming. Beyond the seasonal dip that occurs every year between August and December for RAW, they've been producing steady ratings for the past several years, in addition to launching new, well-received programming outside of the traditional realm of professional wrestling. If three hours of RAW was hurting the advertising revenue, USA would have only contracted for two hours in their most recent negotiations and replaced that third hour with another show, but the WWE is still their biggest drawer of advertising dollars.

4- Yes, it's exactly TNA's problem. Again, "trying" doesn't mean shit. They aren't 'putting on great shows', they're putting on good professional wrestling performances, which you can see for $15 from your local independent promotion in restaurant function rooms across the country. If they were putting on great shows, they'd be building an audience, instead of scrambling to find a network. I understand you want to give TNA credit for trying, but that shit stops in high school.

I am glad I waited awhile to respond.

According to Wrestlezone last week,WWE Q3 earnings reported that WWE Network subscriptions, TV Right revenue, TV profit, live events and digital media all being down in earnings.

Wrestlezone yesterday reported that Lucha Underground had a grand total of 8,000 viewers for their debut episode.


If that is not legitimate proof that all of wrestling is in a down period and nothing TNA can do at this moment can recapture that, I don't know what is.

 

[The Dragon Saga]

If that is not legitimate proof that all of wrestling is in a down period and nothing TNA can do at this moment can recapture that, I don't know what is.

Dave Meltzer said on the October 8 Newsletter the only two promotions this year to make profit are NJPW, who sell out every single show and negotiate smart contracts, and ROH, whose attendance levels have been higher then TNA's, whose revenue stream has been tactical for the size of their company and who has also negotiated smart contracts with the names it brings in, because unless you want to sign a contract with TNA, which no independent wrestler wants to do nowadays unless they know they can't get into WWE or ROH aren't going to give them a chance, or they can't make it to Japan, it's the best place to gain exposure, you also get to work in a television environment and for a company whose brand image is not so badly damaged that the majority of wrestling fans think it's a joke and who is always making news for the wrong reasons.

Hes already said he'll have a breakdown of Lucha Underground's viewership readings in tomorrows newsletter but also said it isn't bad, because Lucha Underground isn't on a big station and while their production is very good they're not spending a lot of money on producing the content, which TNA does, while also giving out inflated contracts, mostly to talents it doesn't deserve. Michael Elgin said in his shoot interview for Highspots, that Davey Richards has personally told him that Elgin's making more money working on a salary alone then Richards is making in TNA, which is why Richards also works as a part-time paramedic and firefighter outside of wrestling.

TNA's problem isn't wrestling being in a down turn, TNA's problem is that it's TNA. Their image is bad, their name is bad, their product is bad, their ideology toward wrestling is confusing, they've often got no rhyme for their reason, which is why they did Bound for Glory in Japan, and it was considered passable - they're working with Wrestle-1, who have been a failure in Japan, so much so that The Great Muta has put the title on himself because people don't care about anybody else on his roster to give a fuck so he's hoping he's still enough of a draw to bring people back in. Muta's 52-years-old.

You know what TNA should do? Shut down on the surface entirely for a few months, restructure their promotion properly, never do a live event again until they know how to, book arenas for their TV show that they can fill, NOT do consecutive nights of TV tapings (that's how much they were financially in the crapper, ROH has done one night TV tapings before from the Grand Ballroom, hell they've done it from the Hammerstein Ballroom), rebrand their company entirely. Do away with Impact Wrestling, hell even consider doing away with the name TNA, because when people think of TNA they mostly laugh and remember what it USED to be. Its been restated time and time and time again, TNA's international TV deals are worthless unless their domestic performance is good - they're not based in the UK, they can go and do three great, sold out shows in England, the hottest wrestling market in the world right now arguably (ROH has sold out four back to back shows in four days with Preston City Wrestling, ICW out of Scotland filled out a 2,000 person arena on Saturday night, there are regular TV shows on UK TV about UK based promotions) but if they can't do it in America, they may as well not do it at all.

 

[Fabulous Freebirds]

Dave Meltzer said on the October 8 Newsletter the only two promotions this year to make profit are NJPW, who sell out every single show and negotiate smart contracts, and ROH, whose attendance levels have been higher then TNA's, whose revenue stream has been tactical for the size of their company and who has also negotiated smart contracts with the names it brings in, because unless you want to sign a contract with TNA, which no independent wrestler wants to do nowadays unless they know they can't get into WWE or ROH aren't going to give them a chance, or they can't make it to Japan, it's the best place to gain exposure, you also get to work in a television environment and for a company whose brand image is not so badly damaged that the majority of wrestling fans think it's a joke and who is always making news for the wrong reasons.

Hes already said he'll have a breakdown of Lucha Underground's viewership readings in tomorrows newsletter but also said it isn't bad, because Lucha Underground isn't on a big station and while their production is very good they're not spending a lot of money on producing the content, which TNA does, while also giving out inflated contracts, mostly to talents it doesn't deserve. Michael Elgin said in his shoot interview for Highspots, that Davey Richards has personally told him that Elgin's making more money working on a salary alone then Richards is making in TNA, which is why Richards also works as a part-time paramedic and firefighter outside of wrestling.

TNA's problem isn't wrestling being in a down turn, TNA's problem is that it's TNA. Their image is bad, their name is bad, their product is bad, their ideology toward wrestling is confusing, they've often got no rhyme for their reason, which is why they did Bound for Glory in Japan, and it was considered passable - they're working with Wrestle-1, who have been a failure in Japan, so much so that The Great Muta has put the title on himself because people don't care about anybody else on his roster to give a fuck so he's hoping he's still enough of a draw to bring people back in. Muta's 52-years-old.

You know what TNA should do? Shut down on the surface entirely for a few months, restructure their promotion properly, never do a live event again until they know how to, book arenas for their TV show that they can fill, NOT do consecutive nights of TV tapings (that's how much they were financially in the crapper, ROH has done one night TV tapings before from the Grand Ballroom, hell they've done it from the Hammerstein Ballroom), rebrand their company entirely. Do away with Impact Wrestling, hell even consider doing away with the name TNA, because when people think of TNA they mostly laugh and remember what it USED to be. Its been restated time and time and time again, TNA's international TV deals are worthless unless their domestic performance is good - they're not based in the UK, they can go and do three great, sold out shows in England, the hottest wrestling market in the world right now arguably (ROH has sold out four back to back shows in four days with Preston City Wrestling, ICW out of Scotland filled out a 2,000 person arena on Saturday night, there are regular TV shows on UK TV about UK based promotions) but if they can't do it in America, they may as well not do it at all.

1 - NJPW makes money in Japan. Their debut IPPV buyrate from a year ago was terrible. Their first foray in America did a miserable attendance. They are now taking another risk in entering the American ppv market in January. We shall see.

2 -ROH negotiates smart contracts...meaning they are cheap.

3 - So turn TNA into ROH? No thank you.

4 - Lucha Underground is on a big station. Univision. One of the largest Spanish stations in America while being seen on El Rey. Second, Johnny Mundo ain't working for free.

5 - Those international TV deals are their bread and butter. And help them produce spin off shows like British Bootcamp; which is considered a success.

 

[The Dragon Saga]

1 - NJPW makes money in Japan. Their debut IPPV buyrate from a year ago was terrible. Their first foray in America did a miserable attendance. They are now taking another risk in entering the American ppv market in January. We shall see.

Wrestle Kingdom 8 on iPPV on uStream did 26,000 buys, that is their international streaming provider, they also show on PPV in Japan (to millions) and on a Japanese iPPV service called Niconeio. NJPW draws 40,000 people to the Tokyo Dome. They sell out virtually every, single show. They do everything TNA CAN'T.

2 -ROH negotiates smart contracts...meaning they are cheap.

Kevin Steen was said to be making as much money from working for ROH and various indies as Bobby Roode and James Storm, who have been with TNA for over 10 years. Michael Elgin makes more money working for ROH alone then Davey Richards does for TNA. If cheap means smart, sure, whatever floats your boat sunshine. One company's struggling, ones prospering, a ******ed, blind, autistic Peruvian child could tell you that.

3 - So turn TNA into ROH? No thank you.

ROH has drawn more people to its shows then TNA has. If TNA could be ROH right now I doubt they'd pass it up. It's better to be smart and profitable then to be on the brink of closing and a joke to everyone looking in. TNA knows too much about that.

4 - Lucha Underground is on a big station. Univision. One of the largest Spanish stations in America while being seen on El Rey. Second, Johnny Mundo ain't working for free.

Really, because El Rey's top rated show is 40,000 a week. So please do tell how big of a station they are. I really want to know what you think a big TV station means. And John Morrison has been working the indies for the past two years and not very good indies at that. A lot of guys have came out and said the contracts they were offered were dirt cheap. Frankie Kazarian said he laughed at it, then went to work for ROH for a weekend and got double what LU were trying to get him in for.

5 - Those international TV deals are their bread and butter. And help them produce spin off shows like British Bootcamp; which is considered a success.

You think British Bootcamp is a success? Well, that tells me all I need to know about you then.

 

[King Patrick Star]

In my opinion, there are only 2 ways to save TNA.

1. Establish a working relationship with every single Wrestling promotion that is not WWE.
What this does is expands the company without actually expanding. They can cross promote all year long and reach out to audiences of the other companies like ROH. It could very well become the new National Wrestling Alliance.

2. Sell TNA to WWE.
What this does is a one-time, jump off the sinking ship plan, where TNA packs it all up and closes shop, while the WWE adds more value to the Network. I currently watch all of the WWE, WCW, and ECW PPVs in chronological order. I’m currently on 1998. I’d certainly love to watch the WWE and TNA PPVs in chronological order when I get to the 2004 point.

 

[MCMG]

They have been doing pretty well over the last few months. They got rid of a lot of deadwood and have started to rebuild. Giving guys like EC3 and Eric Young a chance as well as some interesting storylines especially the feud between Lashley/Roode.

Ultimately, they still need a better all round roster. Guys like Devon and Tommy Dreamer just don't have a purpose even when there are few options. I can only watch these two swing a trash-can lid so many times and, given the Network, people can watch them do it in their primes. Realistically; Angle, Lashley, Roode, MVP, Storm, King, Joe, Young, EC3, Aries and both Matt and Jeff Hardy is a fine main-event/mid-card.

It's impossible to say anything given the TV contract situation but if they get a bumper deal then they could do with signing some new talent. Just freshen it up even more and let these talented wrestlers: wrestle. Going from Hogan and his daughter almost straight into Dixie was misery. There was just no interest there but they are doing well to reignite my interest. A few astute signings and a focus on the in-ring stuff would slowly win back many fans that became disinterested in a very poor couple of years.

 

[Fabulous Freebirds]

Wrestle Kingdom 8 on iPPV on uStream did 26,000 buys, that is their international streaming provider, they also show on PPV in Japan (to millions) and on a Japanese iPPV service called Niconeio. NJPW draws 40,000 people to the Tokyo Dome. They sell out virtually every, single show. They do everything TNA CAN'T.



Kevin Steen was said to be making as much money from working for ROH and various indies as Bobby Roode and James Storm, who have been with TNA for over 10 years. Michael Elgin makes more money working for ROH alone then Davey Richards does for TNA. If cheap means smart, sure, whatever floats your boat sunshine. One company's struggling, ones prospering, a ******ed, blind, autistic Peruvian child could tell you that.



ROH has drawn more people to its shows then TNA has. If TNA could be ROH right now I doubt they'd pass it up. It's better to be smart and profitable then to be on the brink of closing and a joke to everyone looking in. TNA knows too much about that.



Really, because El Rey's top rated show is 40,000 a week. So please do tell how big of a station they are. I really want to know what you think a big TV station means. And John Morrison has been working the indies for the past two years and not very good indies at that. A lot of guys have came out and said the contracts they were offered were dirt cheap. Frankie Kazarian said he laughed at it, then went to work for ROH for a weekend and got double what LU were trying to get him in for.



You think British Bootcamp is a success? Well, that tells me all I need to know about you then.

1 -Again, they were succesful in Japan. Not in America. Also, their first show IN NYC from a few years ago drew a measly crowd.

2 - Yeah, because when I want honesty, I would look for Davey Richards. Also, , I am sure both Roode and Storm would tell someone how much they are making I am sure that's the reason that both Storm and Roode continue to stay with TNA every time their contract expire is because of the poor pay.

3 - ROH has no buzz. Try finding someone to talk about it in the comment section of any wrestling site including WZ.

3.1- The network that airs British Bootcamp is calling a success. Hence, which is why it is in it's second season. Funny, you can brag about ROH selling out shows in England but I can't about TNA?

4 - Lucha Underground airs on the weekends on Univision. A pretty big station.

 

[The Dragon Saga]

1 -Again, they were succesful in Japan. Not in America. Also, their first show IN NYC from a few years ago drew a measly crowd.

They came to America in 2011 with no promotion.

They returned in 2014, sold out three shows, two with ROH, one in-front of 1,600 people and the other in-front of 2,600 people in the Hammerstein Ballroom, the arena in the Manhattan Center TNA won't run because they know they won't fill it. The arena they won't fill but ROH will. The fact that internationally last years WK got more buys, granted most from Asian countries like Singapore and Thailand, on iPPV then TNA did for Bound for Glory, their "biggest show of the year" says everything. Keep throwing up your argument about what happened three years ago though, means a lot.

2 - Yeah, because when I want honesty, I would look for Davey Richards. Also, , I am sure both Roode and Storm would tell someone how much they are making I am sure that's the reason that both Storm and Roode continue to stay with TNA every time their contract expire is because of the poor pay.

Davey Richards is good friends with Michael Elgin, he didn't tell Michael Elgin, "go say that in a shoot interview, yeah, go do it". I'm not even going to say Michael Elgin isn't lying, but the fact that Kevin Steen was getting $650 per indie appearance last year and had a contract for ROH that Jim Cornette has said most TNA guys would be lucky to get means that anything you respond with is irrelevant. And Cornette hates Steen, so there's little reason for him to say that.

3 - ROH has no buzz. Try finding someone to talk about it in the comment section of any wrestling site including WZ.

Yet have had more people at their shows then TNA. Yet 12,000 people alone watched their BITW PPV in June. And even more on iPPV. Yet AJ Styles works there. Yet Matt Sydal works there. Yet Jay Lethal QUIT TNA with the intention of returning there. Yet Kazarian and Daniels have said that ROH works a lot more smoothly then TNA because in ROH they actually know who the fuck is running the place. Yet ROH is more successful in New York. Yet ROH hasn't been having a year where all anyone can talk about is their TV is ending. But you know why people are talking about ROH this year? Working relationship with NJPW, its wrestlers success in NJPW, its well received events, its successful PPV, its good attendance, its advancements as a promotion while TNA takes steps back and WWE is losing money. Again, try harder then the generic stuff you're throwing out kid, you'll find more success.

3.1- The network that airs British Bootcamp is calling a success. Hence, which is why it is in it's second season. Funny, you can brag about ROH selling out shows in England but I can't about TNA?

See if you were of able mind you would have seen that I even said TNA does well when they come to the UK. But TNA is on Challenge. Being on Challenge is hardly a success. They run on a Sunday night an hour after a Bullseye rerun from 1989. Such a success. Well done TNA. Keep it up.

4 - Lucha Underground airs on the weekends on Univision. A pretty big station.

Doesn't matter. Mark Burnett needs it to be a success on El Rey. If it's not a success on El Rey it's not success. This has been well documented.

Take all this and learn from it.

 

[Fabulous Freebirds]

They came to America in 2011 with no promotion.

They returned in 2014, sold out three shows, two with ROH, one in-front of 1,600 people and the other in-front of 2,600 people in the Hammerstein Ballroom, the arena in the Manhattan Center TNA won't run because they know they won't fill it. The arena they won't fill but ROH will. The fact that internationally last years WK got more buys, granted most from Asian countries like Singapore and Thailand, on iPPV then TNA did for Bound for Glory, their "biggest show of the year" says everything. Keep throwing up your argument about what happened three years ago though, means a lot.



Davey Richards is good friends with Michael Elgin, he didn't tell Michael Elgin, "go say that in a shoot interview, yeah, go do it". I'm not even going to say Michael Elgin isn't lying, but the fact that Kevin Steen was getting $650 per indie appearance last year and had a contract for ROH that Jim Cornette has said most TNA guys would be lucky to get means that anything you respond with is irrelevant. And Cornette hates Steen, so there's little reason for him to say that.



Yet have had more people at their shows then TNA. Yet 12,000 people alone watched their BITW PPV in June. And even more on iPPV. Yet AJ Styles works there. Yet Matt Sydal works there. Yet Jay Lethal QUIT TNA with the intention of returning there. Yet Kazarian and Daniels have said that ROH works a lot more smoothly then TNA because in ROH they actually know who the fuck is running the place. Yet ROH is more successful in New York. Yet ROH hasn't been having a year where all anyone can talk about is their TV is ending. But you know why people are talking about ROH this year? Working relationship with NJPW, its wrestlers success in NJPW, its well received events, its successful PPV, its good attendance, its advancements as a promotion while TNA takes steps back and WWE is losing money. Again, try harder then the generic stuff you're throwing out kid, you'll find more success.



See if you were of able mind you would have seen that I even said TNA does well when they come to the UK. But TNA is on Challenge. Being on Challenge is hardly a success. They run on a Sunday night an hour after a Bullseye rerun from 1989. Such a success. Well done TNA. Keep it up.



Doesn't matter. Mark Burnett needs it to be a success on El Rey. If it's not a success on El Rey it's not success. This has been well documented.

Take all this and learn from it.

1 - Like I said, let's see what the buyrate is for NJPW in January from American viewers. At close to $40 bucks, they might not reach 1,000.
TNA did shows at the Hammerstein this past June and July and majority of those shows were sold out. Plus, NYC is known to be a smart / mark town, so of course an ROH/NJPW show would draw. Again, I am talking about the general american public that is used to watching WWE on a weekly basis. They probably won't be buying an NJPW ppv show.

2 - Cornette , Elgin and Richards. No honesty with these three. Again, if pay was so poor in TNA, Samoa Joe, Robert Roode and many of the bigger more established guys would have been gone already and working indy shows and sending out feelers to WWE for a developmental contract. Heck, a bottom guy like Manik went on record on his social media saying he has made good enough money from TNA that he owns a house.

3 -

• AJ has to work there and has to work as many shows and independent companies as possible just to make up the income he lost from his much easier TNA schedule.
  
• Matt Sydal has to work in ROH because he blew his chances at a well paying job in the WWE for failing a drug tests. Nothing to be proud of there.
  
• Is Jay Lethal STILL fighting for an roh TV title? That seems like the only thing he is doing. Nothing of not for years from him.
  
• Bad Influence makes their ROH debut in June...they officially get jobbed out. Smart booking.

4 - You say TNA is full of failures but purposely ignore one of the few successful spin offs. That is not fair at all.

5 - Agreed. Although hitting a woman over the head with a steel chair won't let Lucha Underground last long with stuff like that.

 

[scomvp316]

I would change the name to start

Creative would be a combo of wrestling minds with a few entertainment writers

Like it or not follow WWE's module as far as having 2-3 top faces that do promotion work to build your brand

Air only 2 PPV's per year

Have 4-5 specials yearly on tv and go live with them

Develop a territory strategy like JCP had in the early 80's before they thought they could compete with Vince

Cancel House Shows until you develop a profit

Working relationships with other Indy Promotions to have new fresh faces instead of deadwood ex-WWE talent If that talent was good they would still be in WWE

Buy two studios to rotate your weekly programming

If you are going to be TV-14 have those adult related stories go full steam ahead instead of having just a few segments of being edgy I personally like PG-13 so you can attract certain sponsors

Every match has a winner via pin or submission No you don't have to have 100 run-ins like ECW but guarantee a decisive winner in every match

 

[Bythedockofthebay]

Get out of Flordia, go to the Carolina's since it would more than likely work, and there's a base for it. Stay in the South where Vinny doesn't like to go. Do weekly shows, but have a supershows like the good old days. Have them spread across days and have cliffhangers to keep the fans coming back for like three nights straight. I know it seems like I'm just saying go back to the old model but truth be told I think they should. Stay in the south and ignore WWE guys and WWE for the most part. Include ROH in that as well.

PUSH STORM for the LOVE OF GOD. PUSH STORM. I think him and Roode could have a feud that could last YEARS in the south. Especially with the way their gimmicks are set up now. Even when they aren't feuding they're feuding. Roode has a big matches and drops the ball, Storm brings it up. Taunting him constantly.But avoiding each other in ring most of the time. The only time they get into the ring with each other is for the world title. EVER. None of that No. 1 contenders crap, or "grudge matches", Storm vs Roode becomes a title endeavor. Making each time they face each other HUGE, not only that but they can keep the feud going without having it become boring or running it too much.

If Storm cost Roode the belt have Roode case him but don't have the showdown until one of them has the belt. These two men are your cornerstones treat them as such. Doesn't mean they have to wrestle each other all the time. Or be champion all the time. Just make the matches huge every time, and build around your two best guys.

 

[mizowns]

You can't.

Dixie Carter can't run a company. She made it bleed.

You hade the most known wrestles there, old stars and talent.

And what does Dixie Carter do with it? Absolutly nothing.

Dixie Cart and the incompetent board.