We all know the new day was a thrown together stable with 3 below average wrestlers who don't know how to tell a proper story in a match. My question is this? How do you keep the new day from becoming a complete and total flop? The answer is simple.....they should be a comedy stable. If done right I honestly think the new day could be around for a couple of years and be one of the funniest stables in WWE's history. I would start it off with Kofi becoming jealous of Big E's dancing. He could confront him in a backstage segment and claim that Big E was embarrassing the group because he didn't know how to juke and jive. Then the other guy would say he could juke and jive better than any of them which would lead to the first juking and jiving contest at extreme rules where we could all laugh at their antics. Of course the whole dancing routine couldn't go on forever but there is all kind of crazy antics these 3 could do.
How to get the new day over?
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Radical Canadian Goose
Getting Noticed By Management
Or we could just turn them heel, like everybody hoped for, and "Re-envision" The Nation of Domination. As for the 3 below average wrestler comment, I can see why you are red repped.
Jack-Hammer
YOU WILL RESPECT MY AUTHORITAH!!!!
There are a couple of major problems facing The New Day
One of the major problems happen to be fans themselves. Let's be honest, a shitload of fans already had their minds made up not to like The New Day from the very moment they saw the group's first vignette. It's become fairly common these days for fans to condemn a wrestler or faction long before said wrestler or faction debuts by their vignettes; a lot of fans simply crap all over something and don't give some stuff a chance from the very start. A lot of these same fans are also pretty limited in what they want to see in terms of a gimmick: just about every guy is supposed to be some kind badass with some sort of edgy "I don't give damn what anybody thinks" swagger and persona. Anything other than that? Many of those same fans piss all over it.
Another problem facing the faction is the nature of the faction itself really. They're "positive" people trying to deliver a "positive" message in an energetic sort of way. They're happy, smiling babyfaces and a faction of happy, smiling babyfaces usually doesn't rise beyond a certain level. The top factions have pretty much always been heels: The Fabulous Freebirds, The Four Horsemen, The Heenan Family, The Hart Foundation, the nWo, D-Generation X, The Nation of Domination, The Ministry of Darkness, The Corporation, Evolution, The Shield, etc. have all primarily been heels. Even if they reformed later on as babyfaces or turned babyface, they'd established themselves as stars and forces.
Rebranding The New Day as a new version of The Nation of Domination won't work in this day and age because, frankly, society is too politically correct to tolerate it. A faction of militant, pissed off black guys patterning themselves on The Black Panthers would probably work just fine in smaller promotions because, frankly, smaller promotions don't have WWE's audience. A problem with WWE being the biggest wrestling company in the world is that whenever something bad happens in wrestling, WWE is who winds up catching all the shit when it hits the fan here in the United States. Not TNA, not ROH, not the modern NWA, the WWE. When you consider the various media stories over the past few years in which race has been a huge factor like the Trayvon Martin case, those four black teens who were shot at in their SUV at a gas station in Florida by a middle aged white guy, the clusterfuck of Ferguson, MO, the WWE creating a militant, African American faction would be construed by some fans watching as an attempt to profit off these issues. And you know that media outlets would pick up the story, opportunistic journalists like Nancy Grace would be covering it, it'd be all over social media, etc.
Basically, WWE would be raked over the coals for capitalizing on "racial tensions." Remember the crap WWE caught a few years back in regards to Jack Swagger & Zeb Coulter's characters? People were going ape-shit all of a sudden and accusing WWE of being racist or exploiting racial issues. You also have to remember that, as unfair as it is, there's some strange media double standard when it comes to WWE because other TV programs are able to get away with capitalizing on "racial tensions" and using it as part of their storylines. But, for whatever reason, people seem to forget or ignore that pro wrestling storylines are scripted.
TNA, ROH and pretty much any independent wrestling company in the United States could create a faction like the NOD and it'd be okay, primarily because mainstream media wouldn't know about it or, even if they did, those companies are much to small and too low profile for them to bother. Targeting WWE would give them ratings and generate interest because of WWE's standing. People can debate about who is the better company, who the best wrestler is and all that, but the simple truth of the matter is that when most people in America think of pro wrestling, the first name that pops into their minds is WWE. Sometimes, it's the only name that pops into their minds. That's a good thing for WWE but, at the same time, it's a bad thing as well as the company's success is something of a double edge sword.
One of the major problems happen to be fans themselves. Let's be honest, a shitload of fans already had their minds made up not to like The New Day from the very moment they saw the group's first vignette. It's become fairly common these days for fans to condemn a wrestler or faction long before said wrestler or faction debuts by their vignettes; a lot of fans simply crap all over something and don't give some stuff a chance from the very start. A lot of these same fans are also pretty limited in what they want to see in terms of a gimmick: just about every guy is supposed to be some kind badass with some sort of edgy "I don't give damn what anybody thinks" swagger and persona. Anything other than that? Many of those same fans piss all over it.
Another problem facing the faction is the nature of the faction itself really. They're "positive" people trying to deliver a "positive" message in an energetic sort of way. They're happy, smiling babyfaces and a faction of happy, smiling babyfaces usually doesn't rise beyond a certain level. The top factions have pretty much always been heels: The Fabulous Freebirds, The Four Horsemen, The Heenan Family, The Hart Foundation, the nWo, D-Generation X, The Nation of Domination, The Ministry of Darkness, The Corporation, Evolution, The Shield, etc. have all primarily been heels. Even if they reformed later on as babyfaces or turned babyface, they'd established themselves as stars and forces.
Rebranding The New Day as a new version of The Nation of Domination won't work in this day and age because, frankly, society is too politically correct to tolerate it. A faction of militant, pissed off black guys patterning themselves on The Black Panthers would probably work just fine in smaller promotions because, frankly, smaller promotions don't have WWE's audience. A problem with WWE being the biggest wrestling company in the world is that whenever something bad happens in wrestling, WWE is who winds up catching all the shit when it hits the fan here in the United States. Not TNA, not ROH, not the modern NWA, the WWE. When you consider the various media stories over the past few years in which race has been a huge factor like the Trayvon Martin case, those four black teens who were shot at in their SUV at a gas station in Florida by a middle aged white guy, the clusterfuck of Ferguson, MO, the WWE creating a militant, African American faction would be construed by some fans watching as an attempt to profit off these issues. And you know that media outlets would pick up the story, opportunistic journalists like Nancy Grace would be covering it, it'd be all over social media, etc.
Basically, WWE would be raked over the coals for capitalizing on "racial tensions." Remember the crap WWE caught a few years back in regards to Jack Swagger & Zeb Coulter's characters? People were going ape-shit all of a sudden and accusing WWE of being racist or exploiting racial issues. You also have to remember that, as unfair as it is, there's some strange media double standard when it comes to WWE because other TV programs are able to get away with capitalizing on "racial tensions" and using it as part of their storylines. But, for whatever reason, people seem to forget or ignore that pro wrestling storylines are scripted.
TNA, ROH and pretty much any independent wrestling company in the United States could create a faction like the NOD and it'd be okay, primarily because mainstream media wouldn't know about it or, even if they did, those companies are much to small and too low profile for them to bother. Targeting WWE would give them ratings and generate interest because of WWE's standing. People can debate about who is the better company, who the best wrestler is and all that, but the simple truth of the matter is that when most people in America think of pro wrestling, the first name that pops into their minds is WWE. Sometimes, it's the only name that pops into their minds. That's a good thing for WWE but, at the same time, it's a bad thing as well as the company's success is something of a double edge sword.
rmp0012002
Championship Contender
As they are now with the James Brown/P-Funk/comedic gimmick with a Koko B.Ware wardrobe they don't go anywhere. There wasn't a goal behind what their formation was for. Is their goal to be cheerleaders and get people to dance or we have these three guys were paying but not doing anything so let's put them in a team. I think most people are lost on what their purpose is. It's not the attitude era so I don't know if the WWE would through the angry black man / NOD angle out there.
Yea like JH said if they were heels it would have been a lot better, but it's a politically correct era and it would have been frowned upon. Especially with what's happened lately in the news.
I was looking forward to New Day when I first heard of them, mainly because of Kofi. He's one of the most underused talents in the WWE, I think anyway, and his walk on water antics at the Rumble every year never fail to entertain.
The problem is who he's been partnered up with. Big E is without a doubt one of the most boring wrestler's on the roster. He's a big goofball, who can't rap and he sure as hell can't dance. Woods like Kofi is good in the ring, but he's never gotten over with the fans in the way Kofi has. The fans are kind of indifferent towards him.
Take Big E out and put R. Truth in here and change up the outfits and they might have a chance. As they are right now, nothing is going to happen and I see them going the way of the dinosaurs and splitting up sooner rather than later.
Besides Fandango kind of ruined the notion of dancing wrestlers for me with all his bullshit.
I was looking forward to New Day when I first heard of them, mainly because of Kofi. He's one of the most underused talents in the WWE, I think anyway, and his walk on water antics at the Rumble every year never fail to entertain.
The problem is who he's been partnered up with. Big E is without a doubt one of the most boring wrestler's on the roster. He's a big goofball, who can't rap and he sure as hell can't dance. Woods like Kofi is good in the ring, but he's never gotten over with the fans in the way Kofi has. The fans are kind of indifferent towards him.
Take Big E out and put R. Truth in here and change up the outfits and they might have a chance. As they are right now, nothing is going to happen and I see them going the way of the dinosaurs and splitting up sooner rather than later.
Besides Fandango kind of ruined the notion of dancing wrestlers for me with all his bullshit.
BillAlfonsos_Whistle
Getting Noticed By Management
I feel bad for all three guys because it's clearly the worst angle of the last couple years. Now they are teasing the heel turn which will be poorly executed and then the entire thing will fizzle out. Woods is never going to make it. Get him, Adam Rose, and all the other underachieving force fed NXT guys off my screen please and bring up guys who will actually be over to get over like Owens, Zayne, and Neville.
As said by Navi, Kofi Kingston is one of the most underutilized guys on the roster and IMO points towards racism more than any case ever. Remember when they gave him a tiny window of a push against Orton? Those matches were among the best of that year. It's probably too late now but the fact he didn't at least get a mini-push to fight at the top of the card, even if he would job, is a damn shame.
Big E. has the personality of cardboard so shut him up and make him a beast like they did at first. I'd like to see him have a female mouthpiece but I guess that would be way too similar to Lana/Rusev. We need more Jim Cornette's and Harvey Whipplmen god damnit!!
As said by Navi, Kofi Kingston is one of the most underutilized guys on the roster and IMO points towards racism more than any case ever. Remember when they gave him a tiny window of a push against Orton? Those matches were among the best of that year. It's probably too late now but the fact he didn't at least get a mini-push to fight at the top of the card, even if he would job, is a damn shame.
Big E. has the personality of cardboard so shut him up and make him a beast like they did at first. I'd like to see him have a female mouthpiece but I guess that would be way too similar to Lana/Rusev. We need more Jim Cornette's and Harvey Whipplmen god damnit!!
rmp0012002
Championship Contender
Kofi and woods have skills and could be a team but they had a hard time getting over as singles. They could have put Big E and Ryback together as a monster heel team but Big E's character has always kind of been goofy rather than a machine and Ryback was pushed as an unstoppable machine but went nowhere, I don't know if that was creative or himself.
Since the WWE is now family entertainment and marketed to kids they definitely can't do the NOD angle with what has been going on with the NYPD and such. I read that it was to quiet some backlash the WWE had gotten for being racist but I'm not behind the scenes so I don't know. Regardless of color it's the job of the wrestler to get over and you can't make the fans like someone or something if they don't like it.
Since the WWE is now family entertainment and marketed to kids they definitely can't do the NOD angle with what has been going on with the NYPD and such. I read that it was to quiet some backlash the WWE had gotten for being racist but I'm not behind the scenes so I don't know. Regardless of color it's the job of the wrestler to get over and you can't make the fans like someone or something if they don't like it.
MartialHorror
Mid-Card Championship Winner
I think they just need to be in a feud where they are pushed into questioning their views. They don't have to turn heel. They just have to overcome a legit challenge. The problem with the Dust Brothers storyline is that it felt empty, the stakes were low and they went over too cleanly. Feuding with a team of noted jobbers like Cesaro, Rose and Kidd isn't going to help things either.
They need to take on someone who will bring the worst out of them. Granted though, it's a limited gimmick regardless of how you look at it. WWE fans don't want blandly positive. Even Cena has an edge to him.
The whole "We remain positive so we don't destroy the locker room" promo did make me laugh and wonder if they do plan on going in a direction like this. OR maybe it's foreshadowing a heel turn. We'll have to see.
They need to take on someone who will bring the worst out of them. Granted though, it's a limited gimmick regardless of how you look at it. WWE fans don't want blandly positive. Even Cena has an edge to him.
The whole "We remain positive so we don't destroy the locker room" promo did make me laugh and wonder if they do plan on going in a direction like this. OR maybe it's foreshadowing a heel turn. We'll have to see.
PeterSellersSTL
Getting Noticed By Management
send them down to nxt and have the roster laugh at them until they drop the gimmick and go back to the drawing board.
then show them at the drawing board coming up with ideas, being the goofy comic bookish nerds they are until they come up with something a little more organic. Treat these segments like a CAW session. Have them pick colors outfits names and music, all the while referencing inspirations that are close to them. This should be their idea entirely, who hasn't sat and dreamed up their own gimmick or superhero.
After a few weeks of segments let them debut their idea - and get laughed at. Again. But they stick with it because its true to who they are and that's something people can get behind.
then show them at the drawing board coming up with ideas, being the goofy comic bookish nerds they are until they come up with something a little more organic. Treat these segments like a CAW session. Have them pick colors outfits names and music, all the while referencing inspirations that are close to them. This should be their idea entirely, who hasn't sat and dreamed up their own gimmick or superhero.
After a few weeks of segments let them debut their idea - and get laughed at. Again. But they stick with it because its true to who they are and that's something people can get behind.
I think it'll be very hard for New Day to really get over with the fans.
The Usos took 2-3 years to really get over and they started doing that "Uce-Oh" chant maybe 2 years ago and over the last year it really caught on. That was after The Usos had many opportunities to finally put on some great matches.
BUT
The difference is The Usos, while they are kind of fun-loving, upbeat guys in interviews and during that chant part they clearly have a tough side and a warrior side to them. Their entrance Samoan chant is pretty fierce and they have warrior face paint and some strong moves and show an intense side. So WWE already has an established team similar to New Day but already more tough and intense, while still playing to the crowd.
So, what does the New Day offer that The Usos don't already? One ... more... guy?
I know it's the PG era but I still think teams or individuals need to have a clear edgy or tough side to them, even the faces, in order to be taken seriously enough for fans to get behind them and for them to be champions or PPV-quality Superstars.
I feel bad for Kofi mostly because he's basically worse off than he ever has been. This New Day team only might be in a tag team hunt and Kofi's already won those with better teams.
I should be positive, I guess. So I should say New Day has potential if they just keep it up and put on great matches but I don't know.
They just have mid-card jobber face team written all over them. But those teams DO have their place on the card, and are needed. New Day members are talented enough to make other teams look good.
So for me, I think New Day just needs to put on good matches when given the opportunity, keep on staying positive (especially when they lose, that can kind of be their gimmick, staying positive even after defeat) so they probably will be popular enough with kids and Kofi's history might give them enough of a pop each time they come out to last a little while.
Then, probably sometime later this year or early next year they will split. Probably be Big E turning on Woods and Kofi, that feud can go on for a bit and then maybe Kofi gets managed by Woods and he gets a more serious push up the card over some of 2015 and into 2016.
The Usos took 2-3 years to really get over and they started doing that "Uce-Oh" chant maybe 2 years ago and over the last year it really caught on. That was after The Usos had many opportunities to finally put on some great matches.
BUT
The difference is The Usos, while they are kind of fun-loving, upbeat guys in interviews and during that chant part they clearly have a tough side and a warrior side to them. Their entrance Samoan chant is pretty fierce and they have warrior face paint and some strong moves and show an intense side. So WWE already has an established team similar to New Day but already more tough and intense, while still playing to the crowd.
So, what does the New Day offer that The Usos don't already? One ... more... guy?
I know it's the PG era but I still think teams or individuals need to have a clear edgy or tough side to them, even the faces, in order to be taken seriously enough for fans to get behind them and for them to be champions or PPV-quality Superstars.
I feel bad for Kofi mostly because he's basically worse off than he ever has been. This New Day team only might be in a tag team hunt and Kofi's already won those with better teams.
I should be positive, I guess. So I should say New Day has potential if they just keep it up and put on great matches but I don't know.
They just have mid-card jobber face team written all over them. But those teams DO have their place on the card, and are needed. New Day members are talented enough to make other teams look good.
So for me, I think New Day just needs to put on good matches when given the opportunity, keep on staying positive (especially when they lose, that can kind of be their gimmick, staying positive even after defeat) so they probably will be popular enough with kids and Kofi's history might give them enough of a pop each time they come out to last a little while.
Then, probably sometime later this year or early next year they will split. Probably be Big E turning on Woods and Kofi, that feud can go on for a bit and then maybe Kofi gets managed by Woods and he gets a more serious push up the card over some of 2015 and into 2016.
As a 3-man team they will never get over.
There are not 3-man teams. They have a struggling tag-team division right now, and this is a 3-man team. It makes no sense.
First get them to a tag team, or add more members (hello, Mark Henry)... but a 3-man team will never get over unless it's a legitimate group of multiple guys creating havoc.
There are not 3-man teams. They have a struggling tag-team division right now, and this is a 3-man team. It makes no sense.
First get them to a tag team, or add more members (hello, Mark Henry)... but a 3-man team will never get over unless it's a legitimate group of multiple guys creating havoc.
THTRobtaylor
Once & Future Wrestlezone Columnist
Agreed on the political stuff. America has seemingly regressed in many ways in the last couple of years when it comes to racial harmony. We're not quite back to the bad old days but that Trayvon Martin and Michael Brown's killings have polarised the world but more importantly America... A new Nation right now could no only be seen as capitalising but as fanning flames... and the last thing Vince is going to allow is that on his watch.
Remember Vince is the guy who counts Dr. King as his hero... to him the New Day probably isn't a skit/comedy idea but a way to try and put over that positive ideology for kids today... It's clumsy, hokey but it's not awful.
How do you get The New Day stable over? That can be done in a few simple steps. The first thing they need to do is get rid of this idiotic gimmick. Kofi deserves better. Heck, even Woods deserves better. Once all three are back where they were before this stable existed, Woods should be sent back down to NXT. He was never ready for the main roster. More time in NXT would be beneficial for him and is what he needs in order to get over. Big E, I honestly couldn't care less about. He can be a jobber or something as he'll never get over with or without this stable. Kofi is the one who has been hurt the most by this stable. This gets brought up constantly, let him show a little more aggression like he did in his feud with Randy Orton in 2009. THAT Kofi would win the World Heavyweight Championship someday.
CM Steel
A REAL American
Why is this even a issue? Because the New Day are african-american? Don't be so cruel! Nobody said anything negetive about the Straight-Edge Society who were a short-lived stable. Just give the New Day a chance okay? Just because you didn't fall in love with them at first doesn't mean that they can't grow on to you. Give these guys sometime to find that right program for opposed to throwing them in a feud with Gold & Stardust. The WWE created the New Day for a reason. And I'm glad and happy that their not that Nation of Domination 2.0 that people were talking about.
Just let the New Day find their way to a better tomorrow.
Just let the New Day find their way to a better tomorrow.
Two things to consider...
1 - The New Day's positivity message is yet another rehash of older WWF/E characters. Except for race, how is AND different from Fatu's "Make a difference" character? The one that bombed badly and went nowhere?
2 - Worse, there are too many similarities between AND and Bo Dallas' character... and he is a heel. I would like to see someone explain why Bo is a heel and AND are faces, despite basically talking the same ideas of positivity and believing in yourself.
1 - The New Day's positivity message is yet another rehash of older WWF/E characters. Except for race, how is AND different from Fatu's "Make a difference" character? The one that bombed badly and went nowhere?
2 - Worse, there are too many similarities between AND and Bo Dallas' character... and he is a heel. I would like to see someone explain why Bo is a heel and AND are faces, despite basically talking the same ideas of positivity and believing in yourself.
d_henderson1810
Mid-Card Championship Winner
Too bad the Wyatt Family aren't still a faction, as they are polars opposites to the New Day. Bray could say that all is not nice and rosy in the world, but it is a harsh, horrible world. This could bring them into conflict with the New Day's philospohy, and there could have been singles, tag-team and 6-man tags.
The only problems are, the Wyatts aren't together any more, and also, who would match Bray on the mike, and call his views?