How Long Until You Turn Your Back On Them Too?

[Evenflow DDT]

Over the last 10 or so years the IWC has gotten onto their little message boards much like this one and spouted off their beliefs, predictions, booking ideas and overall critisims abou the industry we all grew up watching and loving. From time to time when they take a break from ripping into guys like Cena, Hogan, Bischoff, Russo, or just TNA as a whole, The IWC latches onto a certain mid-carder that they think is destined for greatness. Guys like Matt Hardy, RVD, Randy Orton, Ken Kennedy-Anderson, Paul Heyman and ECW as a whole have worn the crown of Internet Darling. And over the years all of these people have had the IWC turn on them.

Matt Hardy went from "held down, sympathic future world champ" to a "fat druggie who rode his brothers cattails." RVD went from "HHH is keeping him down" to "Just a stoner spot-monkey." Kennedy "Overrated", Orton is also considered "Overrated and Cena 2.0", Paul Heyman and ECW went from "the innovators of the attitude era, a company that gave the fans what they wanted, and Heyman being a genius" to "a company of unskilled workers, who knew nothing about wrestling and Heyman was a poor buisness man a who just got lucky and should stay out of wrestling"

The 2 latest Champions of the IWC are CM Punk and Zack Ryder.

CM punk set the wrestling world on fire this past summer with his "Shoot Promo" and being the "voice of the voiceless" standing up against management in a way we haven't seen since the days of Steve Austin. He is the anti-cena. He doesnt shake hands or kiss babies. Instead he tells it like it is (even though everything on TV gets approval from Mr. McMahon. Let's not fool ourselves people.) Hell he even has me looking for those damn ice cream bars.

Zack Ryder has done what no other superstar or wrestler has done. He got over without the help of the front office, creative, or kissing ass. Thanks to his little YouTube show he got the attention of the WWE Universe as well as the IWC, who will be quick to tell you that they liked him first and always knew he would amount to something.

But if history tells us anything the IWC will dump these two guys as soon as they become too mainstream, too popular in the front office, or they go to TNA (which i don't ever see happing BTW.) My question is how long will they get to wear the crown before someone like Skip Sheffield or Wade Barret takes their place?

Thoughts?

 

[King of the Words]

Unless Punk can stay really edgy and one of a kind, I think his star could fade quickly with a lot of people. If he goes up against Jericho at Mania and don't get the torch sort of passed to him on that night, I think his popularity could take a tumble. As for Ryder, it's all up to how well he does with the USC. which I think he will win sooner rather than later. Like Punk, if he don't keep giving the crowd what they want which is top notch entertainment and originality, I can see his star fading after Mania as well. Hopefully Punk kicks it into a higher gear come Mania season and rekindles what he began this past summer. I, for one think he came back way too soon, but I guess when you're hot you're hot and when you're not you're not.

 

[Seanjburkey]

CM Punk is too good in the ring for the IWC to turn on him imo. They probably will turn on Ryder if WWE continues to force feed him to us. As for your replacement suggestions, Barrett maybe but Skip Sheffield? Lol you'll be lucky if he ever even comes back. If he does he won't amount to anything. However, I do get your point. The IWC can be very Two-faced but most of the time it's the wrestler's fault that they fall out of their liking.

 

[kokoBawesome]

C.M. Punk, a year or two. Zach Ryder, a little less than a year.

I really don't want to agree with this cynical mindset, but if the question is, "when will the IWC turn on them?" Than not too long. The problem is that eventually C.M. Punk is not going to become stale, but get looped into a shitty angle. He's still going to have great matches, but if he can't maintain being the most entertaining on the mic its going to be rough times. Honestly this feud with Del Rio isn't going anywhere, another feud or two like this (remember leading the Nexus?) and he could lose all his momentum. Its not like hes going to stop being an amazing wrestler, its just not going to be enough to keep him interesting in the.. well... entertainment side of things. (god i wanna be wrong). If they leave him in control of his own fate, five years maybe.

Zach Ryder, sorry buddy but when the Jersey Shore TV show runs its course and ends this summer your character will officially be Passe'. Unless he somehow molds the character into something more socially relevant the character is going to feel outdated and sad (a thirty year old man with thinning hair with a character based on a 24 years old club kid is going to feel really sad). He's an average wrestler, unless he becomes amazing quick guys like Rhodes and Ziggler are going to leave him in the dust.

With that said, when someone like Skip Shelffield or Wade Barrett going to take their place... not any time soon. Those two guys specifically aren't nearly as charismatic as Punk or Ryder, not many are. I don't think the next big (IWC) thing is in the WWE right now. Someone is going to pop up next year or two that's worth pushing, but all these superstars level guys need a lot more time before they're even close to Punk or Ryders level (not at wrestling, at being likable).

 

[big ran 2011]

thank god, there is intelligent life in the world of the internet wrestling complainers. Dude I don't even know you, but I can say I respect you simply because you see this jaded group of "fans" for what they are: arm chair bookers who do absolutely NOTHING but complain, doesn't matter what it is, they complain, even when they get what they want, they still complain; its never ending.

But to answer your question, i'd say 2, maybe 3 years tops before these "fans" turn on CM Punk and Zack Ryder because some other underrated (in their eyes) midcarder will come along who they think should be world WWE or World Heavyweight Champion. As for TNA, it will be a miracle from god for them to grow to a level even close to WWE's size, simply because they aren't known by mainstream fans and no matter what they do, the internet wrestling complainer fans absolutely scathe them. Nothing TNA does even comes close to satisfying them. There's even one's who bash it, then admit they've never actually sat down to watch it lmfao. So, its pretty much damned if they do, damned if they don't with TNA.

Personally, I hope TNA overcomes these obstacles, laughing in the internet wrestling complainers faces all the way to the top.

 

[Foshinzo]

Lol. Maybe that's when you know you've really made it: the IWC no longer loves you.

As for CM Punk, I think he's too much our guy for people on the IWC to completely abandon him. He rose through the Indy ranks, he's not an overly muscled, jock of a guy, and he speaks intelligibly on the mic: he's a smark's dream. Still, the IWC is made up of a fickle group, and you're right in saying that we'll probably turn on him...

Hell, I've seen people on WrestleZone already start up threads about, "Punk needing to go," and, "Most overrated/luckiest performer, today."

If the IWC turns on Punk, that doesn't mean we won't mark out for him at the shows. He's still the same old Punk we always knew. People post shit on the Internet in a knee-jerk fashion. Just because a few people start up threads about how you suck doesn't mean that they hate you, or even that they dislike you. Internet forums are full of trolls and bored people. Our opinions aren't really important, so we just let any old idea flow freely. If the IWC, "turns on," Punk, he'll still be the most popular guy on the Internet.

Zack Ryder isn't the same as Punk. He's got his cult fanbase, but he wasn't always loved on the IWC, to begin with. People had to warm up to him, the way I remember it. He has steam, at the moment, but comedy acts always have a short shelf life. Luckily for Ryder, he can always just turn heel and keep it fresh. I expect him to get a couple of years out of this gimmick, and that's pretty good, compared to where he was when he started.

The IWC will turn on Ryder first, but either way, it's not like it matters. WWE isn't Youtube. It's a million dollar corporation that can afford to do pretty much whatever it wants. In the end, we're just a bunch of people with Internet connections that have nothing to do but obsess over wrestling. When we do turn on Punk and Ryder, it won't matter much.

 

[SPR*VLN]

I still don't know what the hell IWC stands for. All I know is they love CM Punk more then their momma haha.

I like this post. I said it before I can't undertand how people call talent weak, when I know for a fact that wasn't the fact. Recently when the Hardyz went to TNA people started bashing the hell outta them, but years prior people liked them. Yea they made mistakes, but that ain't a reason to turn on them. I don't follow them, but wish them the best.

 

[Suibon]

CM Punk will last longer in the IWC's arms simply because of the shoot, but soon they'll turn on him and complain he has gotten soft since MITB. Maybe a year, maybe less.

As for Zack Ryder... six months. In all likelihood, less. He has been consistently underwhelming in the ring, and by the time the IWC latches on to that, it will be the end of his push.

 

[GameOver]

IWC IWC IWC is that the only word anyone uses anymore? Must be trending rather ******ed nickname considering there is no "wrestling" in this internet, just people giving there opinions about "wrestling" in the real world
Should be ICWF Internet Community of Wrestling Fans.

and btw can u see the irony posting a complaint about the IWC on an Internet Community Wrestling fan board

Guys get bagged when they are boring, haters will hate and lovers will love. Quote the GO - Never More....

 

[GI Cake]

Sigh, I don't even know why I am wasting my time in this thread in the first place When it is surely going into the trash soon, oh well. First off, I just want to get off my chest that you sound very stupid when you refer to the IWC as some hive-mind that clicks and connects and thinks with one brain, and a stupid one at that. What is even worse is that you stray yourself away from the IWC when you are clearly a member of it. When you logged onto these forums, and made this crummy little thread, you became a card carrying member of the Internet Wrestling Community.

And secondly, you have failed to mention why internet darlings like Kennedy, RVD, Matt Hardy, and Randy Orton lose a few fans among the vocal minority that is the IWC. Too simply put it, they failed to continue to entertain the. Matt Hardy is a perfect example of a guy that fans could get behind. Matt had a great sense for the business and used to be able to work a great match. However, after Matt got his push he just seem to fall flat. He got boring, and when you are given time to work on a WWE show and you fail to keep anybody from caring about you, you might as well hang up your boots when you get home. But it can also work in a completely other way in a guy like John Cena. When Cena debuted back in 2002, you can tell the man had charisma. But he had no real gimmick until he picked up his Thugonomics gimmick and ran with it. Almost instantly did the entire WWE Universe get behind Cena. And a dozen of World titles later Cena is the face of the company. The cream of the crop, so naturally his character has evolved into a modern day Hulk Hogan. And when a Superstar does a few things differently than what a mark wanted him to do, they flip out and act as if Cena is overrated and all that silly shit..

How long will it take for people to turn on CM Punk and Zack Ryder? Honestly their is no real timetable as to when, and I will tell you why. Because CM Punk and Zack Ryder are hugely over with the fans and are widely entertaining to watch. Hell, Zack Ryder was getting over with the fans without even being on WWE's main programming. As long as CM Punk finds a way to keep his act fresh and entertain the masses, people will stay behind him and continue to root for him, week in, week out. The same follows for Zack Ryder. Hell, it follows for any Superstar wanting to break the mold of wherever they are stuck and want to break into the Main-event.

 

[xxxdaniel_ariesxxx]

IWC IWC IWC is that the only word anyone uses anymore? Must be trending rather ******ed nickname considering there is no "wrestling" in this internet, just people giving there opinions about "wrestling" in the real world
Should be ICWF Internet Community of Wrestling Fans.

and btw can u see the irony posting a complaint about the IWC on an Internet Community Wrestling fan board

Exactly, if you are on an internet forum about wrestling, discussing wrestling, and engaging in debate/argument/discussion on said forum than you are apart of the very community that you are trying to complain about...


With that said, I have been a HUGE CM Punk fan ever since 2003 and his feud with Raven in ROH. I was a little disappointed with how he was used for the first two or three years after his WWECW debut in 2006, yet I was always a huge fan and knew that if given the chance to truly shine he could become a major star, I just didn't think that he would be given that chance in WWE, and I was wrong about that. I honestly can't imagine anything short of him pulling a Benoit that would make me turn on him.

... Zack Ryder on the other hand I just don't understand. I've watch several of his YouTube videos and had to stop because I felt my IQ start to lower by the second. It seems like a Jersey Shore gimmick and my intense hatred for that show my have something to do with my general dislike of Ryder, but either way I just don't understand what is so great about him. He's not the greatest in the ring, I personally don't think that he is all that great on the mic, He isn't all that funny or entertaining, and his character is about as interesting as the Major Brothers. But, like I do with Cena, and Orton and anything to to with the Divas, I understand that some people enjoy that, I don't understand why, but they do and so I do the only thing that will get WWEs attention... I CHANGE THE CHANNEL WHEN I DON'T LIKE SOMETHING!!!

if enough people change the channel when they don't like a particular segment, and WWE sees a sharp ratings drop whenever Ryder, or Orton or even Cena comes on the screen, and people stop buying their merchendise, and PPV Buy rates drop when they are in high profile matches on those PPVs then things will change in a hurry

 

[Pay Per Ghost]

Sigh, I don't even know why I am wasting my time in this thread in the first place When it is surely going into the trash soon, oh well. First off, I just want to get off my chest that you sound very stupid when you refer to the IWC as some hive-mind that clicks and connects and thinks with one brain, and a stupid one at that. What is even worse is that you stray yourself away from the IWC when you are clearly a member of it. When you logged onto these forums, and made this crummy little thread, you became a card carrying member of the Internet Wrestling Community

Don't glorify the obvious fact that these boards have maybe 10% fans who actually know thoroughly about the fact that wrestling has its own business structure, isn't limited to storylines and boasts of a diverse global cultural history and like half of them are smug up their own ass about it.

He's made a very good thread. And it's actually starting to happen (n Ryder's Case). Sometimes I laud the fact that the simpler fans don't spend their free time playing Wrestling Overlord at a forum. Also, I don't think the OP alienates himself as not part of IWC, although his use of the word 'you' is debatable.

And secondly, you have failed to mention why internet darlings like Kennedy, RVD, Matt Hardy, and Randy Orton lose a few fans among the vocal minority that is the IWC. Too simply put it, they failed to continue to entertain the. Matt Hardy is a perfect example of a guy that fans could get behind. Matt had a great sense for the business and used to be able to work a great match. However, after Matt got his push he just seem to fall flat. He got boring, and when you are given time to work on a WWE show and you fail to keep anybody from caring about you, you might as well hang up your boots when you get home. But it can also work in a completely other way in a guy like John Cena. When Cena debuted back in 2002, you can tell the man had charisma. But he had no real gimmick until he picked up his Thugonomics gimmick and ran with it. Almost instantly did the entire WWE Universe get behind Cena. And a dozen of World titles later Cena is the face of the company. The cream of the crop, so naturally his character has evolved into a modern day Hulk Hogan. And when a Superstar does a few things differently than what a mark wanted him to do, they flip out and act as if Cena is overrated and all that silly shit..

1) I dare to debate anyone who says Orton has been boring in the ring, and has lost internet fans. Matter of fact I think now he is someone who went from being over to being dubbed a respected in-ring worker by the IWC.

2) When he debuted, I saw in Cena a man who could shake with rage and go purple in the head during a chokehold. ONLY WHEN, he started rapping and writing his own stuff and dissing people, I saw someone who was killer on the mic ala The Rock.

How long will it take for people to turn on CM Punk and Zack Ryder? Honestly their is no real timetable as to when, and I will tell you why. Because CM Punk and Zack Ryder are hugely over with the fans and are widely entertaining to watch. Hell, Zack Ryder was getting over with the fans without even being on WWE's main programming. As long as CM Punk finds a way to keep his act fresh and entertain the masses, people will stay behind him and continue to root for him, week in, week out. The same follows for Zack Ryder. Hell, it follows for any Superstar wanting to break the mold of wherever they are stuck and want to break into the Main-event.

Zack's story is great, but the moment WWE decide to make him WWE champion, it's over.

 

[itbewilly]

The IWC works like this.....


New kid comes in and is awesome in ring and decent on mic. IWC gets behind him and pushes and pushes for the WWE/TNA/(insert promotion here) to stop holding the flavor of the month back. Eventually more fans start liking said star and finally the company starts pushing him and the IWC instantly now that everyone notices/likes him has some kind of issue with him.

Happens all the time. Its like the guy who spends hours on end downloading illegal music of his favorite underground band who instantly as soon as they make it to the main stream turns on them for various reason's. You see it in video games too where certain groups will play a dated horrible game that has poor gameplay just so they can say they was there from the start and through thick and thin then should said game get a company backing it and start making improvements "the sold out".

My two pennies.

 

[J.J.]

I think CM Punk is capable of being a top competitor for years to come, as a performer I think he's great. I think eventually we will start hearing people say; "he's not as good as he used to be on the mic". I won't "turn" on them, I will just shake my head at the creative team.

I listened closely to Ryder last night, he did not receive much of an ovation. Personally i think he needs to build his physique a little more, he doesn't look the least bit intimidating. I'm not doubting his ability I just think think he is a passing fad.

 

[Mustang Sally]

He has steam, at the moment, but comedy acts always have a short shelf life

I've never seen Zack's Internet show and now I'm wondering if this is the sole source of his popularity. Is it that great an experience?......because his act in the ring certainly doesn't seem like the stuff of lasting fame. I think he's done a unique and remarkable thing in getting WWE management to sit up and take notice of his outside self-promotion, but I admit to being a little disappointed in the fans for taking to a clown act as they have. But then, as I said, I haven't seen his Internet show. Maybe it's the greatest thing since Star Wars. Even if it is, though, it can't last that long and I can't imagine what he's going to follow it with.

As for Punk, his gimmick should be of greater duration, but even so, his "loner wading through the insanity of pro wrestling" act won't last forever. (I haven't seen anyone point this out; but Roddy Piper did it first). I've been surprised at how fast the excitement he generated last Summer has died down. Maybe he really planned to leave WWE when his contract expired; maybe he didn't. Either way, Punk created (or had someone else create for him) an explosive gimmick. At the time, it seemed he could carry it on forever....... but things change, which is the whole point of this topic.

 

[George Steele's Barber]

Real quick here since no one is probably reading this thread any longer...

It's professional wrestling, not religion. I don't go to discos, I don't dance the Macarena and Bradley Cooper's star may be fading as we speak. In other words things tend to come and go really fast in entertainment. Once you have hit a peak (CM Punk) it is really tough to maintain especially when there are 50 guys working to take that spot. It doesn't help that he is probably doing 60ish televised shows a year. I hope he can maintain it for a long time but there is only so much to shoot about and so much entertaining nostalgia to throw out (WWE Ice Cream Bars and Johnny "You Got the Touch" montages) before things get old and stale and some other guy is blowing fans away with his easily yelled-along catch phrases.

In addition, the IWC is a collection of different people with a few different opinions. Generally, the fans get their turn during the rise and the detractors get their time during the fall. While some of these opinions may be coming from the same people a lot of them are not.

 

[boywithbluehanger]

The obsession with CM Punk and Zack Ryder is a response to a demographic feeling that they are being ignored by the upper office in the WWE. Most of us who claim to like Punk and Ryder probably hate much about them (i.e. Punks small physique, inconsistency in being able to get his character(s) over, Ryder's gimmick, Rider's inability to effectively give a meaningful speaking promo etc)

This makes me think that the only reason why we embrace these two so much is because we wanted to test the WWE by saying "Hey if we pick someone who can fit within the restrictions you've created in the past few years by highly supporting someone other than John Cena, will you have the balls to trust in us again to put him over?" Due to our help and diligence, they've given both of these guys pushes and it reminds many of us of the "good ol' days" when our crowd responses affected who was pushed and how they were booked.

We feel like through supporting guys (even those whom we don't really care for) we are not being completely overlooked and ignored.

Note: No one should have to say this but when I say "we" or us" I'm doing so in my own opinionated theory. I, nor anyone, speaks for us as a whole.

 

[trips22]

Six months to a year for both tops. I just don't get Ryder and CM Punk has been as boring as they come since his first World Title Reign. I am not a fan of either of them and generally when their matches come on I switch to Monday Night Football or whatever game is on at the time. I know the question is how long until the IWC turn on these guys but it can't be too long with the tired schtick that these two guys do week in and week out. I mean who else is already bored with Punk's "I'm going to make wrestling interesting again" remarks? From the first time he said it up till now I don't see a difference and the ratings don't show a difference so how long till not only the IWC but the rest of the fans kick that dude to the curb. As for Ryder, it's still up in the air with him but he has to get some good clean wins and quit winning by someone's help before I can get into that guy. As far as I'm concerned the WWE could lose both those guys and it wouldn't hurt the company a bit. Punk could go to TNA and it wouldn't do anything for their ratings. Bottom line neither guy matters. I just wish HHH would get back in full time cause the pop he got last night shows me the game still has plenty of life in the WWE. I know that wont happen but just wishfully thinking.

 

[Chadmw]

I think those of you who are saying 2-3 years for Punk are unfortunately being too generous. I say these boards start turning more and more on him withing 3-6 months. I saw the same thing happen to the Miz. He was the Internet darling, and everyone was saying he should be pushed etc..

The WWE starts pushing him, he wins titles,etc.., all of a sudden these boards are filled with The Miz sucks, he is boring on the Mic and sucks in the ring.

The IWC will turn just as quickly on Punk and even quicker on Ryder

 

[Clem]

I admit I find WWE's booking of CM Punk to be curious, but I'm nowhere near turning on him.

The curious aspect being he got famous for being a massive heel...which resulted in him turning face?

 

[Evenflow DDT]

My name is Evenflow DDT and.... I'm a member of the IWC... There I said it. Happy?

Now just because I point out flaws in the IWC doesn't mean I'm trying to distant myself from it. I'm just pointing out that the IWC is very quick to turn their backs on the very people they claim are the future.

No, I don't think the IWC think with a "hive-mind" but the vast majority tend to latch onto the same people. I dint have time to point out certain people so I speak in a general way. And anyone who can't pick up on that, well....

 

[RealGardenStateSaint]

Zack Ryder will run out far quicker than Punk will. Punk is a legit WWE main stay and should be around for years, he'll always have his fanbase.

 

[Dowdsy McDowds]

Over the last 10 or so years the IWC has gotten onto their little message boards much like this one and spouted off their beliefs, predictions, booking ideas and overall critisims abou the industry we all grew up watching and loving. From time to time when they take a break from ripping into guys like Cena, Hogan, Bischoff, Russo, or just TNA as a whole, The IWC latches onto a certain mid-carder that they think is destined for greatness. Guys like Matt Hardy, RVD, Randy Orton, Ken Kennedy-Anderson, Paul Heyman and ECW as a whole have worn the crown of Internet Darling. And over the years all of these people have had the IWC turn on them.

Here's the problem, the term IWC is an all encompassing term. Rayne has explained in a couple of threads how the term is often used to refer to members that are deemed "wrong", "marks" or something similar. It's kinda funny that a thread about people on the internet 'turning' on wrestler x uses the term IWC in a broad and inaccurate manner; which is what happened with every person and promotion mentioned in this thread.

Matt Hardy went from "held down, sympathic future world champ" to a "fat druggie who rode his brothers cattails." RVD went from "HHH is keeping him down" to "Just a stoner spot-monkey." Kennedy "Overrated", Orton is also considered "Overrated and Cena 2.0", Paul Heyman and ECW went from "the innovators of the attitude era, a company that gave the fans what they wanted, and Heyman being a genius" to "a company of unskilled workers, who knew nothing about wrestling and Heyman was a poor buisness man a who just got lucky and should stay out of wrestling"

In the first line of this OP, you yourself stated the timeline of the IWC. This is a big reason as to why you have read differing opinions through the years. The fans and wrestlers have all changed, be it the fans getting older and garnering a better understanding of the wrestling business, or young fans finding forums like this, or the nostalgia factor, or insider stories emerging after the fact - see books about WCW's demise for instance.

People are entitled to change their opinions if they so wish, just as the consensus of a wrestler or promotion may change too, or at least be perceived to change. Perhaps posters who weren't a fan of Matt Hardy when he was still healthy and performing didn't voice their displeasure with him as they didn't want to get shot down, but still didn't take to him nonetheless. Now things are going wrong for him, it makes it easier to take shots at him and voice their displeasure towards him in a different way than they would have a few years ago.

The 2 latest Champions of the IWC are CM Punk and Zack Ryder.

CM punk set the wrestling world on fire this past summer with his "Shoot Promo" and being the "voice of the voiceless" standing up against management in a way we haven't seen since the days of Steve Austin. He is the anti-cena. He doesnt shake hands or kiss babies. Instead he tells it like it is (even though everything on TV gets approval from Mr. McMahon. Let's not fool ourselves people.) Hell he even has me looking for those damn ice cream bars.

Zack Ryder has done what no other superstar or wrestler has done. He got over without the help of the front office, creative, or kissing ass. Thanks to his little YouTube show he got the attention of the WWE Universe as well as the IWC, who will be quick to tell you that they liked him first and always knew he would amount to something.

But if history tells us anything the IWC will dump these two guys as soon as they become too mainstream, too popular in the front office, or they go to TNA (which i don't ever see happing BTW.) My question is how long will they get to wear the crown before someone like Skip Sheffield or Wade Barret takes their place?

Thoughts?

Wrestling is largely cyclical. It goes through quiet periods and busier periods. Old stars retire (well, most of the time) and new stars emerge. Rising stars such as Punk and Ryder both gained some notoriety for what they had done outside of the WWE machine, so supporters of both who have watched them since the start of their rise will want to talk about them more which is only natural. If people who aren't that impressed with the new kids want to voice their displeasure about them and compare them to the older stars, they can. It's a community after all, not an agreement zone

 

[poppycock]

I cannot speak for or I do not care about the IWC and how they turn on sombody at the drop of a hat but I can't see myself turning on CM Punk anytime soon. I am not the biggest CM Punk fan in the world but I like him and he is one of the best around at the moment. As for Zack Ryder I have never been able to get him or have never liked him from day one so my back was always turned. CM Punk is good enough to stay at the top and become/remain one of the WWE's top guys for a while yet and I am pleased we finally have an alternative to Cena and Orton. Ryder, whilst I respect him for getting off his arse and doing his own thing to get noticed, I really have never or will never be into him. I can't relate to or like the character, it just is not for me.

 

[TWJC: The Beginning]

The IWC is made up of a bunch of people who think more moves and not botching makes you a good wrestler. A bunch of idiots who think the WWE not telling you everything as it happens is a "plot hole" but think it's boring when a guy sells (not selling is a much bigger plot hole, the audience is like "so that armbar didn't hurt?....").

In other words, who gives a shit what the IWC think. If the general IWC booked the WWE, Shelton Benjamin would be a 10 time champion and the WWE would be a 10 dollar company.