Hogan and his ego

[Fuel The Fire]

Ok just got done watching heartbreak and triumph....very good DVD by the way I recommend it for any wrestling fan! But the segment with HBK and Hogan going at it really got me thinking about something. Why did Hogan win? It seems like everyone on the DVD said it was because of Hogan’s ego and that he wanted to win.
There was a comment on this from ted debiase saying “at some point it’s got to stop being about you and hear is a guy who is actively part of the company who’s in a position to help young guys be big star who’s going to be big stars and for one match…”Debiase said he thinks hbk should have one that match and hbk also said that some of the biggest stars in the company are the most insecure (quotes from the dvd)
Makes you wonder what kind of person hogan is politicaly in the wrestling business
Just wonder what everyone thought about this..

 

[klunderbunker]

It really made no sense for Hogan to win that match and for one reason above all: Hogan wasn't staying. HBK, while already a veteran and one of the biggest names of all time, couuld benefit from that win. Hogan was gone the next day, so what did he need to ride into the sunset one more time for? The simple answer is that he didn't. HBK could have been placed into a big storyline because he beat Hogan. Instead it looks like he can't beat a guy that wrestles once a year and is in his 50s. It's not like Hogan's legacy needed anything else to brag about. No need for it at all.

 

[Deexter Jorgan]

Even though I am a big supporter of Hogan I will have to agree with all the above, the fact is that Hogan didnt need to win that match but chose to over protecting his spot, the fact is there is not a spot to protect for guys like Hogan, Shawn Michaels should have won the match and be given a major rub to boot, but the fact is that Michaels went into that match thinking that it would be a long term deal in hopes that they both could go like for like in regards to pinfall victories, their was supposed to be a second match but it was cancelled due to the fact that Hogan wanted to win that too.

But I think this is a problem Industry wide not just Hogan, the fact is most young guys are pissed because they didnt get their rub from the veterans that paved the way, they then get their chance and become something bigger, they then in turn do not give the rub to the next generation, can you name anyone in todays industry who has passed the torch as of yet?....

Triple H had to give Ortan the rub in a six man tag team match, truthfully Its not about Ego, Its not about Hogans issues, its about the fact that WWE and every other Organisation is giving faces of the company too much leverage, and the main problem is that they need to invest and get those guys to do the job otherwise we will lose alot of talent just like WCW did in the monday night wars.

 

[It's...Baylariat!]

The last few years of Hogan's career are overshadowed by him being invincible and playing the creative control card. You notice in HBK/Hogan match that Shawn pretty much makes the Hulkster look like an ass the entire match, and he had EVERY right to do so.

It was soooo pointless for Hogan to win. HBK was still there, helping the young guys and busting his ass everyday, whereas Hogan was there for a brief stint, left, and started a reality show. It makes me wonder if anyone should have sold to Hogan their last few years. It also makes me wonder how The Rock got Hogan to lay down for him. But it's stupid, because Hogan could help a lot of people out. Instead, he'd rather go over than help a young guys career. It's hard to believe that all the sayings about prayers and vitamins were from a bastard who had an ego trip. Oh well...at least he was bright and colorful as a child, which was highly entertaining for me.

 

[Ambiguous Turd]

Even though I defend Hogan regularly, he should have probably given Michaels the win that night. Shawn was a big enough established star that unquestionably could have used the rub from Hulk.

There are those that would argue the same about Orton the next year at SummerSlam, however I had no problem with Hogan winning that one. Randy Orton was no Shawn Michaels at that point. Not even close. It was a nice, short program that did it's thing.

But if Hogan is going to keep his magic, like a lot of people still want, then he has every right to protect his spot. I just think he should have done the job to Michaels that night.

 

[Deexter Jorgan]

The last few years of Hogan's career are overshadowed by him being invincible and playing the creative control card. You notice in HBK/Hogan match that Shawn pretty much makes the Hulkster look like an ass the entire match, and he had EVERY right to do so.

It was soooo pointless for Hogan to win. HBK was still there, helping the young guys and busting his ass everyday, whereas Hogan was there for a brief stint, left, and started a reality show. It makes me wonder if anyone should have sold to Hogan their last few years. It also makes me wonder how The Rock got Hogan to lay down for him. But it's stupid, because Hogan could help a lot of people out. Instead, he'd rather go over than help a young guys career. It's hard to believe that all the sayings about prayers and vitamins were from a bastard who had an ego trip. Oh well...at least he was bright and colorful as a child, which was highly entertaining for me.

this is what i dont understand, before Hogan came back part time he actually put over Borck Lesner, the very man in your sig, he then came back as Mr America and basically was unstoppable losing on sparingly to the likes of big show, the fact is maybe the whole creative control aspect of his contract only was agreed apon when Hogan came back part time IDN, but it just doesnt seem right why he couldnt of given shawn the rub just like flair did before he retired.

 

[aintnostoppin]

I would have liked to have seen Michaels pin Hogan at Summerslam, but a lot of people watched the event just to see Hogan win another match. Whether I or anyone else like it, Hogan attracts an audience similar to Cena's full of people that like that kind of invincible super human character. I just couldn't stop laughing at how much HBK oversold every move that Hogan did on him.

It isn't as though Hogan doesn't lose to anybody. He did lose to the Rock at Wrestlemania 18, was bear-hugged to death by Lesnar, and tapped to Kurt's Ankle Lock. We cannot expect him to lose all of his high profile matches.

 

[Shocky]

Yawn. Come on, really another Bash Hogan thread.

Look at it this way. When Hogan came back in 2002, when he was still very marketable, and still very much a part of the active roster, exactly how many big matches did Hulk Hogan win...

Let's See.

Hogan got beat clean by the Rock at Wrestlemania 18.
Hogan beat Triple H with help from both Undertaker and Jericho in this match.
Hogan lost to a chokeslam to the Undertaker
Hogan lost the rematch to Triple H for the #1 contender for the Championship.
Hogan lost to Kurt Angle via Anklelock at King of the Ring
And Hogan lost to Brock Lesnar via a bearhug on Smackdown.

This notion that Hogan does nothing, or his ego is too big is just dumb at this point.

Hogan came back, did his job and put over all of the new talent in the company, what more do you want the guy to do. It's amazing how people come to the defense of a 40 year old guy not going over the 51 year old guy. HBK showed his ass in that match, and proved to everyone why he didn't deserve to win, because in the end, if HBK doesn't get his way, he acts like a spoiled child, which is exactly what he did in that match. Hogan after hitting the bigboot and then show boating to the crowd burying HBK some more was worth it.

The only time Hogan might have lost when he should have would have been to Randy Orton, but even then, meh.

 

[It's...Baylariat!]

He DID put over some of the bigger stars in his latter run, but NOT before he had another unnecessary run with the WWE title. And I think he didn't have much of a choice but to job to Lesnar. Lesnar didn't care who he was. He'd have probably fucked him up if he didn't.

I'll give it to Hulkster for doing the deed for Angle and Undertaker, but HHH was also a political game, and you can believe that. If HHH was to do the job, he would have walked in my opinion.

But to not lay down for Shawn Michaels shows me that he has to stroke his ego by not laying down for someone who said he'd lay down for ABSOLUTELY NOBODY! That's my take on it. I love Hogan, but he played a significant role in the WCW becoming stale and his occasional nostalgia trip means minimal gain in the ratings for WWE programming.

 

[truk24]

It is hard to say who has the larger EGO, but I will say this. Many of you are implying now that HBK gets to retire both Hogan/Flair. Honestly Hogan and Flair are probably the two greatest legends alive today, or at least the greatest draws. I don't think HBK should have that right at all. Who else would have gotten that rub? The answer is nobody. I'm glad Hogan beat HBK because it says something about the wrestling industry. Never expect the expected when it comes to professional wrestling. The end to their match was creative, and that is something Hogan has been doing for a long time.

 

[HBK-aholic]

It is hard to say who has the larger EGO, but I will say this. Many of you are implying now that HBK gets to retire both Hogan/Flair. Honestly Hogan and Flair are probably the two greatest legends alive today, or at least the greatest draws. I don't think HBK should have that right at all. Who else would have gotten that rub? The answer is nobody. I'm glad Hogan beat HBK because it says something about the wrestling industry. Never expect the expected when it comes to professional wrestling. The end to their match was creative, and that is something Hogan has been doing for a long time.

You say that as if it was ever plausible that Shawn was going to win that match. I've never wanted Shawn to win a match more, yet I knew without a doubt that he'd lose. I still have no idea why Hogan won it, it was pointless, and Hogan was hardly in his best shape. Not that Shawn needs a rub off Hogan, but he could have used a win more than Hogan.

Usually you hear "Hogan won because people won't pay to see their hero lose"...no mention of the fact people will already have paid before they knew the result. At the end of the day, Hogan winning was pointless.

 

[Spunky]

I think it's Hogan wanting to go out on a high. Yes the win did nothing, But cement him as one of the best. I was more pissed off with Shawn Michaels showing Hogan up by over selling all of his moves, There would have been a riot if HBK would have gone over, And Hogan started to no sell.

At the time of the match Shawn Michaels was red hot anyway, He didn't need the rub. It should have gone to an upper midcarder at the time, Same with HBK.

 

[Hulkster84]

Hogan should have beaten HBK at Summerslam 05 for a variety of reasons.

Firstly, HBK has star power, so he did not really need to beat Hogan to get a 'rub'. Sure Hogan is a bigger star, but HBK is also already established.

Secondly, Hogan winning is smart business. He wrestles that one match and loses, then what happens? Guess what..next time Hogan wrestles...it doesn't mean very much. If he lost it would have taken away from his star power, and him wrestling the following year at Summerslam 06 would not have been a big deal. He needed to win against HBK to keep his character alive! You are as good as your last match! HBK had plenty of matches to rebuild himself after his loss to Hogan.
Hogan didn't however...if he lost...it would have been bad business...and it would have affected his drawing ability. He is a huge draw, and WWE should keep him winning. That way, every time Hogan returns people will tune in. Otherwise if he keeps losing, no one will care. The only person Hogan should lose to is Cena to give him the rub. Cena is big, but lets face it, he is carrying the company and is no Hulk Hogan. Hogan is the biggest star of all time! If he gave Cena the rub, at a Wrestlemania for example i can see fans respecting Cena more!

Thirdly, HBK overselling shows that he also has an ego, and that he is a cry baby. What about the issues he gave WWE at Wrestlemania 14 where he lost to Austin. HBK didn't want to lose, Undertaker had to threaten to beat the shit out of him for Michaels to do the job. And that night, Michaels was supposed to make Austin famous!
However, when Hogan and HBK fought, HBK was already famous.

 

[supersayian]

alright i have had enough of people giving Hogan dam credit. Shawn had every right to make him look like a ass. because Hogan is one. this is the kind of shit that cost us Hogan and Austin going at it. Hogan a big blow hard headed ass. if Hogan had to have this win so bad he for sure should have put over Orton at Summerslam 2006. yeah HBK is already famous and did not need the win. but for Hogan to show his dam face 2 years in a row and win both times is crap. imagine the rub Randy would have got for beating the greatest wrestler in popularity ever. No he was not ready but if he wins he can carry on the Legend Killer Gimmick. Hogan just had to be hero both times to get the fans to chant his name one more time. if Austin and Hogan went at it then Austin would have gotten more cheers for dam sure i guareentee that right now.

 

[Shocky]

LOLZ. And the Hogan bashing commences. Hulkster84 hits the nail on the head, while the following post just wants to rant about how bad Hogan is, yadda yadda.

Hogan has gone on record, multiple times saying that he would lay down for Austin. The reason why Austin doesn't do the match, is because he's afraid that Hogan is going to out pop him, which in all likely hood, would be the end result. If you want to bring Austin into it, thats all well and good, but I take the guy in Hogan that was true to the business, as opposed to Austin that just left the company hanging because he didn't get his way. If you're going to bash Hogan for his ego, and praise the likes of HBK and Austin, then you have another thing coming.

 

[Carter121]

Being arguably the most popular wrestling of this time, Hogan will always have his haters and bashers. Am I one of them? I would not be so quick to say that I am. I would say that it is easy to jump on Hogan for his creative control and his large ego, I do it. But on the flip side of the coin, what would you do in that position? It is easy to say that Hogan should be putting people over and losing cleanly and all that jazz, but would you be singing the same song if you were in Hogan's shoes? Maybe, maybe not. I would just say that things should be looked at from another perspective and weigh both sides before taking the 'easy' way out. Although HBK/Orton should have gone over Hogan.

 

[supersayian]

alright lets see Hogan about drove the company into the dirt over taking steroids. by the way i still say he did. but that aside i do not believe for one dam minute that Hogan could outdraw Austin. Hogan is a whinny baby who just can not stand to lose to big stars that he knows could surpass his legacy. Yeah he did say he would lay down to Austin but why did this match not happen. because i think Austin knew Hogan would come out of the deal with the bigger payday. that is wrong especially for a guy who did more for wrestling then you think. He was going into the hall of fame for christ sake. he had higher Merchandise sales then hogan ever did do take that and run away. and as far as Shawn goes he is bigger then Hogan if you ask me. he can actually wrestle to unlike Hogan who does those dam moves that would not go over now and days. they are not even believable any more.

 

[Big Sexy]

alright lets see Hogan about drove the company into the dirt over taking steroids.

What the fuck are you talking about? So now you are blaming a scandal that affected the entire WWE on one person. Actually if it wasn't for Hogans testimony then Vince would have gone to jail for a few years and that would have really put the company in a bad place.

i do not believe for one dam minute that Hogan could outdraw Austin

Hogan would outdraw Austin every day of the fucking week. And that's not taking anything away from Austin but no one has or probably ever will outdraw Hogan.

Hogan is a whinny baby who just can not stand to lose to big stars that he knows could surpass his legacy.

Hogan has lost to tons of stars going all the way back to Warrior at Wrestlemania 6. He also lost the WCW title to Goldberg on Nitro (something that was Hogan's idea.) He lost to the Rock at Mania 18, Triple H, Taker, Kurt Angle, and Brock Lesnar. He's given plenty of superstars a good rub. And by the way, no one will ever surpass Hogan's legacy.

he had higher Merchandise sales then hogan ever did

No. He really didn't.

and as far as Shawn goes he is bigger then Hogan if you ask me.

No one asked you, and you are wrong once again.

he can actually wrestle to unlike Hogan who does those dam moves that would not go over now and days. they are not even believable any more.

If Hulk Hogan were to come back all he would have to do is give a guy a big boot and a leg drop and he would get a louder reaction then any other match the WWE could put together.

supersayian, you are an idiot. Please stop talking because you are just making a fool of yourself.

 

[supersayian]

wrong again smart ass Austin did outsell Hogan in merchandise. you guys seem to give Hogan more credit then he deserves the guy is a old fart who is dating somebody half his age. no his lame moves suck they get cheered because the fans don't know what to cheer for. it sure is not this guy. anybody who looks up to Hogan is looking up to a blank world. Hogan will not go down as the biggest legacy ever i refuse to believe it. one Day even Cena will outdraw this fraud. by the way Hogan and Vince should have shared the same cell they both belong in a psychiatric ward. Vince for never realizing his product is stale and Hogan for being a ass.

 

[Big Sexy]

wrong again smart ass Austin did outsell Hogan in merchandise

If it wasn't for Hogan taking wrestling into mainstream popularity then Austin wouldn't have been given an opportunity to outsell him.

you guys seem to give Hogan more credit then he deserves the guy is a old fart who is dating somebody half his age.

First of all, what does that have to do with anything? Secondly, I think it's impressive he can get with women half his age.

no his lame moves suck they get cheered because the fans don't know what to cheer for

Oh I understand. He gets cheered because the fans are stupid and don't know what to cheer for. Maybe someone smart like you should tell them what to cheer for.

anybody who looks up to Hogan is looking up to a blank world.

What?

Hogan will not go down as the biggest legacy ever i refuse to believe it.

You don't have to believe it, but it's the truth

by the way Hogan and Vince should have shared the same cell they both belong in a psychiatric ward. Vince for never realizing his product is stale and Hogan for being a ass.

Yes, let's get rid of the two guys who made wrestling what it is today. Lock them up and throw away the fucking key. Well we're at it let's lock up Michael Jordan, Wayne Gretzky, and Tiger Woods. All the assholes who made their sports a global phenomenon.

 

[sTyLnK]

Never been a Hogan fan. Ever. Boring wrestler, boring on the mic. I watched him when I was a kid and I remember being bored of him then. This going back to the early 90's. Different strokes for different folks I suppose.

 

[Id Chokeslam You!]

hogan is a god!
i cant agree with big sexy more, hogan is the reason we have 4 nights of wwe a week instead of 1 night of saturday main event(he brought it mainstream). Also, when i hear the real american theme it gives me chills down my back, and a lump in my throat. would anyone get that from scsa's enterance? hogan gave us 20+ years of memories, that we will look back at with FOND memories.

the only reason austin is a such a superstar is because he beat up the biggest heel(vince) in his days almost every chance he got.i'm an austin fan too, but to compare him to hogan is just plain silly