He's Got The Whole World Falling Asleep

[George Steele's Barber]

Is anyone else bored with Bray Wyatt? He's done the same little routine for as long as he has been around and it has grown tiresome. His character doesn't even make any sense. "I'm a monster, you're a monster, the fans are monsters" over and over and over again.

What is he accomplishing? Am I really supposed to believe that someone with his beliefs would be touring the world with a professional wrestling company? And how can I as a viewer buy everything that he is selling when he is so poor with his facial expressions and body language. He comes off more like an obnoxious gym teacher than some "believer".

Then there is his ring work. Where do I start? Every move it looks his opponent is doing all the heavy lifting. Sister Abigail seems like the kind of move that hurts him more than his opponent. An opponent that he wastes time kissing. And the spider thing is cute but now that we've seen it over and over again with his other three moves how about someone just kicks him in the head instead of just staring at him.

I know the guy works hard at what he does and I respect that but he's become a giant caricature. The fans don't even know how to treat him any more. He just become one of those guys that Vince loves with an interesting look and 80's era DNA.

It is time that the guy made a change.

 

[chicagokmc]

He already played himself, second generation superstar and that didn't go over that well. To be fair that was part of Nexus storyline that had long worn out its welcome. But still we've already seen Huskie Harris and it wasn't that impactful. What change would you have him make?

 

[TheOneAndOnlyGOAT]

Bray Wyatt shouldn't be feuding with Cena.

Cena has pretty much killed all of his credibility.

Making childish lame jokes about Bray and acting like an immature kid.


The Cena-Wyatt feud must end at ER.

 

[Y 2 Jake]

I like Wyatt, but I'm not some misguided fool who thinks he's going to continue on for generations like The Undertaker. The gimmick has a limited shelf-life and that will only become more apparent every time he appears on TV. He also rambles, which makes him more likely to be the next Ultimate Warrior.

As for his in-ring ability, he seems like somebody who can be carried to a decent match. He can also move quickly for a fat lad. But then again, fat people move quickly because of momentum more than ability.

 

[Con T.]

I think it's time I spit some truth in here;

A. Bray Wyatt wouldn't have survived in the Hogan era. He looks like a star now, but if he were in the era of Hulk Hogan, he wouldn't have the talent to make it. When you had such great heel fatties as One Man Gang, Kamala, and Andre, Bray would look like a joke. He's a star because if the PG Era, and the PG Era is the absolute worst time for the business aspect of pro wrestling.

B. Anyone can look great with the people Bray's been working with. Wyatt got to work with CM Punk, Daniel Bryan, The Shield, and John Cena. Of course he's going to look good. Remember when he was working with Kane and R Truth? I do, because it was bollocks. Bray needs to give his spot to fresh heels like The Miz. That would shake things up.

C. Bray was out in a high match at Wrestlemania with one of the greatest draws in WWE. They drew 400,000 buys. Dude does not draw an audience.

D. He doesn't look like a monster... He looks like a methhead.

Yeah, Bray's rather shit.

 

[OYDK]

And people wonder why young guys can't get over. It's been under a year and it seems like the IWC is already calling for Wyatt's head when JUST LAST WEEK he was being praised as a God. Give the guy some time before we decide to throw him in the friggin trash bin. Amazing.

 

[TheOneAndOnlyGOAT]

I think it's time I spit some truth in here;

A. Bray Wyatt wouldn't have survived in the Hogan era. He looks like a star now, but if he were in the era of Hulk Hogan, he wouldn't have the talent to make it. When you had such great heel fatties as One Man Gang, Kamala, and Andre, Bray would look like a joke. He's a star because if the PG Era, and the PG Era is the absolute worst time for the business aspect of pro wrestling.

Why are we talking about the past? Would've CM Punk been a star in the Hogan era? Absolutely not. Daniel Bryan? No. John Cena? Nope.

B. Anyone can look great with the people Bray's been working with. Wyatt got to work with CM Punk, Daniel Bryan, The Shield, and John Cena. Of course he's going to look good. Remember when he was working with Kane and R Truth? I do, because it was bollocks. Bray needs to give his spot to fresh heels like The Miz. That would shake things up.

Although I agree that Miz would excell in the spot of a top heel but give Bray some time.

He's still in his mid-20s and still learning.

C. Bray was out in a high match at Wrestlemania with one of the greatest draws in WWE. They drew 400,000 buys. Dude does not draw an audience.

That doesn't make any sense at all.

Cena vs Wyatt wasn't even in the 3 biggest matches on the card.

How can you blame Bray for the PPV buyrates?

And people wonder why young guys can't get over. It's been under a year and it seems like the IWC is already calling for Wyatt's head when JUST LAST WEEK he was being praised as a God. Amazing.

The IWC isn't made up of robots who share the same opinion.

Just because one or two person doesn't like Bray, doesn't mean there aren't a lot of people that still like him in the IWC.

 

[chicagokmc]

Bray Wyatt shouldn't be feuding with Cena.

Cena has pretty much killed all of his credibility.

Making childish lame jokes about Bray and acting like an immature kid.


The Cena-Wyatt feud must end at ER.

I agree but not for the reasons you state. It is a 3 on 1 feud. It's Bray and his goons, which would be ok if those goons were Hornswaggle and El Torito. But they aren't, they are 2 men bigger than Bray. Given that they always interfere what would be accomplished by Bray beating Cena? 3 people that size should beat 1 person. Now if you occupy the other 2 in the tag team situation, then I'd be in favor of a Bray/Cena program. But a 3 on 1 feud when the 1 isn't bringing in partners? Didn't understand that when they fought Daniel Bryan, don't understand it now.

And I don't know why people are upset that Cena cracked jokes on Wyatt. He does that all the time in major feuds. It would be out of character if he didn't. It generates feud heat. If reused jokes by Cena are enough to derail a wrestler's push, that wrestler didn't need to be involved with Cena in the first place.

 

[JoeFromTomsRiver]

And people wonder why young guys can't get over. It's been under a year and it seems like the IWC is already calling for Wyatt's head .

There are people who just want to be contrarian and as soon as something becomes too "over", they want to break it down. Let them spew their nonsense. Wyatt has only gotten MORE over w/ the live audiences the more that time has gone by. Thats all that matters, not what over-analytical keyboard critics say in the nether regions of the internet.

 

[Jack-Hammer]

I think it's time I spit some truth in here;

A. Bray Wyatt wouldn't have survived in the Hogan era. He looks like a star now, but if he were in the era of Hulk Hogan, he wouldn't have the talent to make it. When you had such great heel fatties as One Man Gang, Kamala, and Andre, Bray would look like a joke. He's a star because if the PG Era, and the PG Era is the absolute worst time for the business aspect of pro wrestling.

I'm not really seeing how "fatties" like the One Man Gang or Kamala were stars. For the most part, they were mid-card jobbers who lost most of their matches unless they were involved in squash matches. I don't see how Wyatt's lack of girth in comparison would have anything to do with it. Wyatt's loaded with charisma and he's damn good on the mic. When it comes to athletic ability, he puts guys like Gang, Kamala, Bundy and others to absolute shame. He'd make an excellent opponent for Hogan: Bray Wyatt, this deranged backwoods cult leader who revels in chaos vs. Hulk Hogan, the old school, patriotic, family friendly comic book character come to life.

B. Anyone can look great with the people Bray's been working with. Wyatt got to work with CM Punk, Daniel Bryan, The Shield, and John Cena. Of course he's going to look good. Remember when he was working with Kane and R Truth? I do, because it was bollocks. Bray needs to give his spot to fresh heels like The Miz. That would shake things up.

It takes two guys to make a match work, make no mistake about that. I remember comments made towards Ric Flair in the past as to how he could wrestle a broomstick and have a great match; that's pure hyperbole because you have to have someone who can carry their own weight during a match. One wrestler will likely be better than the other, but the less able guy still has to do his part. Of course his feud against Kane & Truth weren't that great; Kane's been stale for a very long time and R-Truth's never been relevant in WWE. It's hard to enjoy feuds if you're just not all that interested in who's feuding. The Miz is not a fresh heel in the very least. While I believe he's gotten a lot of unjustified hate, Miz has been doing the cowardly, cocky heel persona in WWE for years. People on these forums always say they want fresh faces to be pushed, yet they complain all the more when it happens.

C. Bray was out in a high match at Wrestlemania with one of the greatest draws in WWE. They drew 400,000 buys. Dude does not draw an audience.

You conveniently left out the 667,000+ subscribers of the WWE Network and the fact that those numbers coupled with the reported domestic ppv buys combined drew in excess of 1,000,000 homes. Had the WWE Network been up & running, the domestic number for WM's ppv buys would be significantly higher than 400,000. Also, these numbers don't reflect the number of ppv buys the show made internationally, which will almost certainly be several hundred thousand as well. So by the time all the numbers are tallied, there's a very strong possibility that WrestleMania XXX will be the most watched ppv in WWE history. If that turns out to be the case, however, something tells me that you'll change your opinion to reflect that Wyatt's presence had nothing to do with that even though you're currently laying the blame on him for what you tried to present as mediocre ppv guys.

D. He doesn't look like a monster... He looks like a methhead.

Yeah, Bray's rather shit.

Neither did Charles Manson, all 5'3" and 150 pounds of him, but I think it's a pretty commonly held belief that Manson is indeed a "monster" despite a relatively unassuming physical presence.

 

[Mustang Sally]

As with everyone, it's how the act evolves that determines success or failure. True, it's hard to see Bray doing the same thing he's doing now forever; as stated in this topic, some folks are sick of it already.

Still, the Wyatt family is a new gimmick in a form of entertainment that's crying out for it. How many people on this forum are constantly telling us that WWE never comes out with original characters and new storylines? In the Wyatts', the company has done just that, yet tons of folks still hate it.

Admittedly, I'm not particularly a fan of the program but am willing to give it time to find a form under which it can thrive.....or fail to find a form, so that it can be disposed of. But it's awfully soon to be writing it off completely.....and I certainly like what Windham Rotunda is accomplishing as Bray Wyatt than any of his other identities.

 

[OYDK]

The IWC isn't made up of robots who share the same opinion.

Just because one or two person doesn't like Bray, doesn't mean there aren't a lot of people that still like him in the IWC.

I get it. But still the fact that this is a thread is ridiculous and I commented when the first 4 posts were negative so I expected Wyatt to just get run down here. It's just people cry and moan for ANYTHING original and when they get it, they tear it down. I just don't understand some of the logic.

 

[Weems2k]

I've never seen what was so special about that fat, out of shape, bearded, backwoods hick. He's not creepy. That gimmick has been used many times before in the past. His goons look like Jobbers you'd see on WCW Thunder. His reaction is just like why Cena gets boo'd by most of the crowd. They have no idea why they're booing him, it's just seems like the "cool" thing to do. If you really want creepy, go watch the movie Deliverance.

 

[steve storm]

i personally enjoy bray wyatt's gimmick and still think there's plenty left in it yet. he's also good in the ring and has some unique moves. and mania buyrates are nothing to do with him, remember people in usa who subscribed to the network would not have bought it on ppv. and anyone cena feuds with he drags down with his childish promos and over shouting on the mic so again thats not his fault. also he and harper and rowan are totally into their characters and gimmick which always helps and harper is excellent in the ring also although rowan isn't that great. i always look forward to their entrance and promos and their recent matches with the shield were the best matches this year so far. to me he has to be given a lot of credit for being so involved in re-inventing himself with the wyatt family gimmick and i hope they move on to better things after his feud with cena.

 

[BeastFromTheEast]

I'm not really bored with Bray himself but am, however, bored to death with his "family". They are just terrible. Once this gimmick has completely run it's course don't expect Rowan to be around much longer. Harper has a slight chance of staying around in the lower to mid card, but just to job to young talent WWE is trying to get over. I think I'd enjoy Bray more without his pair of bumbly, uncoordinated goons anyway.

 

[JoeFromTomsRiver]

His character would play out SO much better in a TV-14 environment. You can say that about many guys, but more so with him. He can only be "twisted" to a certain degree when the show is PG. And that character just begs for some really "controversial" and/or disturbing things that they are not able to do with him now.

 

[GeneralKarim]

Oaoaoaoaoaooaoaoa-ooooou.

Wtf is this? Seriously? Fkn seriously? Is this really happening? Is a new guy whom people have been fapping to since the gimmick was revealed suddenly bashed because of staleness?

Seriously what's next? Daniel Bryan is stale? Yes movement is stale? Wait threads like that already exist.

Bray Wyatt just turned 26 and is already performing a gimmick which one would need to be in his 30s with a lot of experience to pull it off successfully. The dude clearly has a lot of talent. He's not bad in the ring. Not all all. He's no Daniel Bryan or Randy Orton ( surprise Orton is actually in his prime in the ring ), but he's definitely a good worker with a lot of time left to get better. Again he is fkn 26 and already good at what he does, he can only improve and become even more awesome.

Ofc his feud with Kane and Truth were shit. Kane, although nobody wants to admit it ( cause he is so loyal and a veteran and u never hear nothing bad about him ), has been pretty much completely irrelevant for the longest time. R-truth? Do I need to explain really? Bad booking , bad pairing, everything. Both feuds were stupid and rushed and were against people that never stood a chance, ever.

Touring with the WWE? seriously? So when Undertaker was doing house-shows ......Do I need to go further? Are we seriously talking about "How am I supposed to believe" ? Do we really wanna go down that road? That's really not a very bright thing to say, to say the least.

Obviously this gimmick will not work forever and he will need to adjust at some point. But he's barely gotten started and it can go on for a little while longer. So can you please hold off on shitting on him for a little while longer pls?pretty please?

This place never ceases to amaze.

 

[Con T.]

Why are we talking about the past? Would've CM Punk been a star in the Hogan era? Absolutely not. Daniel Bryan? No. John Cena? Nope.

Because Bray Wyatt is a guy designed from that sort f era. Vince loves creepy guys, and he focuses on them way too much. Bray Wyatt is just Undertaker light,which itself is rather trash.

Although I agree that Miz would excell in the spot of a top heel but give Bray some time.

He's still in his mid-20s and still learning.

Why? John Cena was in his mod twenties when he became a star, and he was damn good right away. Wyatt can be good, he just needs some repackaging. The character needs to freshen up a little.

That doesn't make any sense at all.

Cena vs Wyatt wasn't even in the 3 biggest matches on the card.

How can you blame Bray for the PPV buyrates?

You're working with John Cena, one of the all time great draws. Sure he can be blamed; Cena's matches are always a premium.

I'm not really seeing how "fatties" like the One Man Gang or Kamala were stars. For the most part, they were mid-card jobbers who lost most of their matches unless they were involved in squash matches. I don't see how Wyatt's lack of girth in comparison would have anything to do with it. Wyatt's loaded with charisma and he's damn good on the mic. When it comes to athletic ability, he puts guys like Gang, Kamala, Bundy and others to absolute shame. He'd make an excellent opponent for Hogan: Bray Wyatt, this deranged backwoods cult leader who revels in chaos vs. Hulk Hogan, the old school, patriotic, family friendly comic book character come to life.

Saw it in WCW; it was stale then, it would be stale now. That's the problem with Bray; same old shtick.

Oh, and Kamala and OMG drew with Hogan.

It takes two guys to make a match work, make no mistake about that. I remember comments made towards Ric Flair in the past as to how he could wrestle a broomstick and have a great match; that's pure hyperbole because you have to have someone who can carry their own weight during a match. One wrestler will likely be better than the other, but the less able guy still has to do his part. Of course his feud against Kane & Truth weren't that great; Kane's been stale for a very long time and R-Truth's never been relevant in WWE. It's hard to enjoy feuds if you're just not all that interested in who's feuding. The Miz is not a fresh heel in the very least. While I believe he's gotten a lot of unjustified hate, Miz has been doing the cowardly, cocky heel persona in WWE for years. People on these forums always say they want fresh faces to be pushed, yet they complain all the more when it happens.

Well yeah, Bray's character hasn't progressed at all. It's been forever, dude has been the same since he got to WWE (again, because he failed the first time)

You conveniently left out the 667,000+ subscribers of the WWE Network and the fact that those numbers coupled with the reported domestic ppv buys combined drew in excess of 1,000,000 homes. Had the WWE Network been up & running, the domestic number for WM's ppv buys would be significantly higher than 400,000. Also, these numbers don't reflect the number of ppv buys the show made internationally, which will almost certainly be several hundred thousand as well. So by the time all the numbers are tallied, there's a very strong possibility that WrestleMania XXX will be the most watched ppv in WWE history. If that turns out to be the case, however, something tells me that you'll change your opinion to reflect that Wyatt's presence had nothing to do with that even though you're currently laying the blame on him for what you tried to present as mediocre ppv guys.

Do you have the numbers to prove that those subscribers didn't subscribe as soon as the network started? Mania may have been part of the reason, but not the total reason they bought the network.

Neither did Charles Manson, all 5'3" and 150 pounds of him, but I think it's a pretty commonly held belief that Manson is indeed a "monster" despite a relatively unassuming physical presence.

Charles actually killed people; Bray just seems way too goofy. He doesn't take his angles seriously, and it shows.

 

[jeffrey9800]

Wow that thread is some of the worst shit I've ever seen

Who the fuck does Bray put asleep?? He got one of the biggest pop on the RAW the night after Wrestlemania and even yesterday.

Clearly you guys are too dumb to understand the words that are coming out of his mouth. His work this past monday was absolutely awesome, he made Cena look like a chump on the mic.

I hate this feud with Cena, Cena makes no sense. Sometimes he's scared of Bray, sometimes he's superman who wants to fight him. Sometimes he makes fun of him, sometimes he takes him seriously and sees him as a legit threat. He used to kill Bray's credibility and character but now Bray reacts better to his attacks and he makes Cena look bad.

Just watch Bray's last words during the promo monday night. He was absolutely golden, intensity, tone of voice, choice of words.

Do you realize that at the level of language he uses, he doesn't hesitate or make mistakes? Never gets out of character, man he is talented.

As far as the other guys making him look good bitch please. Punk feuded with Ryback and it lasted a month cause Ryback couldn't keep up. Why the hell are you saying that the only reason he's popular or whatever is because of who he feuds with???

Del Rio feuded with Cena and he can't beat RVD now
Ziggler feuded with Edge and Cena to now lose to BnB in the first round of an intercontinental title tournament.
This argument makes no sense, if WWE didn't feel like he could hang they would stop feed him top opponents.

Finally, WHO FKIN CARES if his character would've worked in the Hogan era. Hell the fkin Rock probably wouldn't have worked in the Hogan era where mic skillz weren,t showcase as much. Let's stop the weak arguments thread and face the facts.

Go read his promos, they are awesome and always on the spot.
People watch his matches and when he blows the candle and says we're here, no one leaves their seats to go piss.
He doesn't make a lot of mistakes in the ring,
He can hang with the best of them.
Saying you are "bored" with the family is complete bullshit because you would change the channel when he's on.

 

[Dragon Chief]

I think Bray Wyatt can put on good matches, all the matches I have seen from him thus far have been good. However, I am not a fan of wrestlers with these overly unrealistic gimmicks. I think the more we see Bray Wyatt develop as a wrestler in the ring, the more the gimmick will evolve with him. I think in the long run, the other two wrestlers of The Wyatt Family will end up getting released as they serve no purpose other than to elevate Bray Wyatt's gimmick. Eventually I see Bray Wyatt becoming more humanized and the gimmick will slowly fade.

I see a lot of similarities between Bray Wyatt and Mankind (when he first debuted), in terms of promo work as well as physical appearance:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNB2CuJw6po

I think the more we see of Bray Wyatt the greater he will become and overtime he may play a role similar to Mick Foley.

 

[Con T.]

Wow that thread is some of the worst shit I've ever seen

Who the fuck does Bray put asleep?? He got one of the biggest pop on the RAW the night after Wrestlemania and even yesterday.

Clearly you guys are too dumb to understand the words that are coming out of his mouth. His work this past monday was absolutely awesome, he made Cena look like a chump on the mic.

I hate this feud with Cena, Cena makes no sense. Sometimes he's scared of Bray, sometimes he's superman who wants to fight him. Sometimes he makes fun of him, sometimes he takes him seriously and sees him as a legit threat. He used to kill Bray's credibility and character but now Bray reacts better to his attacks and he makes Cena look bad.

Just watch Bray's last words during the promo monday night. He was absolutely golden, intensity, tone of voice, choice of words.

Do you realize that at the level of language he uses, he doesn't hesitate or make mistakes? Never gets out of character, man he is talented.

As far as the other guys making him look good bitch please. Punk feuded with Ryback and it lasted a month cause Ryback couldn't keep up. Why the hell are you saying that the only reason he's popular or whatever is because of who he feuds with???

Del Rio feuded with Cena and he can't beat RVD now
Ziggler feuded with Edge and Cena to now lose to BnB in the first round of an intercontinental title tournament.
This argument makes no sense, if WWE didn't feel like he could hang they would stop feed him top opponents.

Finally, WHO FKIN CARES if his character would've worked in the Hogan era. Hell the fkin Rock probably wouldn't have worked in the Hogan era where mic skillz weren,t showcase as much. Let's stop the weak arguments thread and face the facts.

Go read his promos, they are awesome and always on the spot.
People watch his matches and when he blows the candle and says we're here, no one leaves their seats to go piss.
He doesn't make a lot of mistakes in the ring,
He can hang with the best of them.
Saying you are "bored" with the family is complete bullshit because you would change the channel when he's on.

Oh look, you're doing that thing where you try and discredit someone's opinion by using harsh language and being an overall asshole! Watch, I'll do that, too.

You're a blind sheep if you enjoy those promos. The dialogue makes no sense. It's far too educated for backwoods hick, probably from the Bayou. They aren't that smart, they aren't that articulate. It's just like Kane using his jargon, when he really is supposed to be a giant monsters. Giant monsters don't speak like Nobel Laureates; neither do backwoods hicks.

Bray takes all the piss out of the Cena character. He calls him fake, and it really flies in the face of a character that's all about Hustle, Loyalty, and Respect. That promo he did on Monday ruined this feud for me, because Bray can't let Cena get serious, and it just makes it seem like goofy theater.

John Cena can make stars. He made a star out of CM Punk, and he made a star out of Daniel Bryan. He gave both men the rub; I don't buy it here. In fact, Bray is really dragging Cena down from what he should be doing.

 

[Pedigree1]

I guess I am in the few select here,that actually believe in Bray Wyatt.. He Has great Mic Skills,and is very athletic in the ring you kidding me or what.. He puts guys like Kamela,Bundy,OMG, just to utter shame.. I also,disagree that he wouldn't have survived in the hogan era..

He would have made an excellent opponent for hogan IMO.. You might be falling asleep OP,but Im wide awake.. This Cult leader,is the most interesting character in quite sometime.. I think its brilliant. Notice how the crowd doesn't chant Husky Harris anymore?? Plus he can work a great match

 

[JoeFromTomsRiver]

Bray takes all the piss out of the Cena character. He calls him fake, and it really flies in the face of a character that's all about Hustle, Loyalty, and Respect.

That's the point. Wyatt is saying that the "Hustle, Loyalty, Respect" thing is fake. "Flies in the face of his character"? He is an antagonist for god's sake, he's supposed to "challenge" his nemesis, and he is challenging his authenticity.

That promo he did on Monday ruined this feud for me, because Bray can't let Cena get serious, and it just makes it seem like goofy theater.

So it's Wyatt's fault that when Cena did actually become "serious", he dropped some ridiculous one-liner about Wyatt not being the "eater of worlds" but being the "eater of the world's largest cinnabon". Cena became "goofy theater" long before Wyatt came along.

 

[jameswalsh292]

Well he is not putting me to sleep anyway. I love the gimmick. I look forward to a Bray segment every week.

Maybe im a bit simple but in my opinion Bray is fantastic at what he does. Every match he has had was quality. Yes his opponents have been of a high level but so what?

If others dont like Bray thats fair enough, but for me he is one of the reasons that I have been enjoying Raw so much lately.

 

[jeffrey9800]

Oh look, you're doing that thing where you try and discredit someone's opinion by using harsh language and being an overall asshole! Watch, I'll do that, too.

You're a blind sheep if you enjoy those promos. The dialogue makes no sense. It's far too educated for backwoods hick, probably from the Bayou. They aren't that smart, they aren't that articulate. It's just like Kane using his jargon, when he really is supposed to be a giant monsters. Giant monsters don't speak like Nobel Laureates; neither do backwoods hicks.

Bray takes all the piss out of the Cena character. He calls him fake, and it really flies in the face of a character that's all about Hustle, Loyalty, and Respect. That promo he did on Monday ruined this feud for me, because Bray can't let Cena get serious, and it just makes it seem like goofy theater.

John Cena can make stars. He made a star out of CM Punk, and he made a star out of Daniel Bryan. He gave both men the rub; I don't buy it here. In fact, Bray is really dragging Cena down from what he should be doing.

I don't mind people stating their opinions but don't put "He makes the whole world fall asleep" It's like if I created a thread : "We're hearing crickets when Daniel Bryan tries to start a YES Chant"

I apologize for the harsh language but when I think people are so far off the track it bugs me.

You are wrong, John Cena never made a star out of Daniel Bryan, And he didn't make a star out of Punk.
Bryan became a star 2 years ago and he was nowhere near Cena at that time
Punk became a "BIG" star after his pipebomb and Cena was of no help as he was unconscious in the ring.
Now I'm not arguing that he didn't help but to say he made them stars is outrageous and wrong.

Now you're saying that he's a monster and shouldn't be talking like a Nobel laureates, that is again wrong. He's not portrayed as your typical monster, he's more of a cult leader, cult leaders are good talkers as they need to sell their bullshit believes, Bray needs to sell that he's a legit threat and can win with his superior intelligence.

Goofy theater? You must be talking about Cena here, watch monday's promo again. Bray was golden, he was perfect. Cena was not consistent.

Bray dragging Cena down is an absolute garbage statement.
When was the last time Cena was in a feud that you actually thaught : "Well, he might lose that match" Come on man, be real. Bray looks like a legit threat and this feud, if Cena would play it better, could be the best thing on the program.