Here's what I don't get about Legacy.

[BillAlfonso]

Where to begin? Why do they paint DiBiase and Rhodes as RKO's lackeys? It doesn't seem to fit the group seeing as they're all young guys. Let's wind the clocks back 5 years, I could see that with Evolution seeing as Flair was past his prime, RKO was a kid, and Batista, while around the same age as HHH, was a child careerwise compared to HHH but they painted them as more on equal footing with HHH as far as I could remember and RKO, for all of his accolades, hasn't be wrestling as long as HHH was when he created Evolution(he is one of the few wrestlers today that has wrestled the Ultimate Warrior, at a WM no less) . They helped HHH and he helped them but with Legacy, it seems as if they only help RKO and he doesn't even realize when they're in trouble. What's the point in being in the group if the leader won't help if you need it? You thoughts.

 

[Ambiguous Turd]

Lazy Booking, to be frank. They need someone to do the job who is connected to Orton, but isn't Orton himself. However, with Raw in desperate need of new stars in the Main Event and the Upper Midcard, it is absolutely mind-boggling with what they are doing with these two.

 

[Chill]

There's no doubt that the booking of Legacy has been baffling since it's inception. I remember when I first heard the rumours of WWE putting the group together, I thought what a great way for the young stars to kick start their careers. I think a lot of people thought Legacy would mirror Evolution but thus far it really hasn't. I can only hope that Rhodes and Dibiase working with DX (as is rumoured) will help them find their own identities, at least they are working a program independent of Orton (although I hope it's not a complete massacre, imagine if Rhodes and Dibiase won and what it could do for them). Overall, the group needs to be about Orton, Rhodes and Dibiase, not just Orton. Legacy is a great idea and still could be very successful with the correct booking and direction...

 

[DX Mols]

Personally, I just like the fact that Triple actually lost 2 consecutive weeks on Raw. When was the last time that happened? Now obviously it was done just to build this DX vs Legacy feud, but really how much of a feud could this possibly be? HBK/HHH will destroy the Legacy kids @ Summerfest. And what good will come out of that? I mean it doesn't do Rhodes and Dibiase any good to get buried by Hunter and a returning HBK, but my guess is they'll have a good match. The only possible chance of Legacy going over is a heel turn from either Hunter or Shawn, but w/ this whole "DX Reunion" tour for the fall, I don't see that as a possibility either.

And not to go off topic here, but Dr. Ken was actually somehow worse then Michael "Vintage" Cole which I didn't think was possible for me to hate someone on Raw more then Michael Cole.

And in closing, can someone tell me how to get cool pictures beneath my name? Every pic I find seems to be too big.

 

[JJohns]

Part of why they are having Rhodes and DiBiase play lackeys is because I think they're building up DiBiase turning against Orton. The build has been there for a while, you can tell that there is a little tension between the two characters.

 

[Sasori]

Crappy booking dude. Logically it makes no freaking sense. I can see it from your point of view, but IMO Legacy is doing fine right now. They picked up a pin fall victory over HHH and now are supposedly feuding with DX, which can be a bad thing and a good thing. If the Sprit Squad shit happens than bad, if DX puts Rhodes and Dibiase over than good. Right now it's just a coin flip, lets wait and see boys n' girls.

 

[Paradox]

As Sidious said it's been a case of bad booking. How are you going to set up a great stable when all they do is lose? Or become nothing more than a punching bag for Triple h. Look at the major factions that have been formed over the years. Nwo, while Hogan was a coward at times he still held on to the belt, and they still ran rough shot over wcw. They used their numbers all the time to help them. Then look at DX they used cheap ways to win, but they never were beaten down on a constant bases. Evolution, they always ran rough shot over everyone, they always had a title. There is only one occasion that I can remember that they were beat down, and that was by the whole locker room. How are we suppose to take Legacy anywhere near a legitimate stable if they get beat down by one guy the entire time?

Another thing that isn't working is the fact that Orton is a terrible leader. Look the guy has done nothing to help them. Which I know a lot of faction leaders don't, but. Look at Hogan from nwo, he came and helped all the time. The only thing that Orton does for Ted and Cody is send them to get their asses hand to them by Triple h.

If wwe really wants to make Legacy a legitimate stable. They need to have them go over DX.(if in fact that is who they are facing at summerslam.) Why are they just going to lose? It would only cause them to lose more credibility. In order for any heel to or heel team to be successful they need to be credible. Look WCW was based off a heel faction, it was that got them over. Vince has in his head that a heel group cannot go over. I think that if wwe gives Legacy a win over DX then they still have a chance to make it as a faction, if not. Then they are bound to be jobbers until the day they break up.

 

[WWF Wrestling Fan]

you know i heard that there going to turn Ted Jr face soon what they should have done was have a battle royal for Summer Fest I am sorry i mean Summer Slam and have him face orton but there dragging this out sorry for gettin off topic but it blends in with the topic Legacy is lackeys of Orton and it proved it last week when Ted Dibiaise attacked HhH before the match and Rhodes what the fuck can he do honestly yeah hes the son of The American Dream Dusty Rhodes my Wrestling Idol and the half brother of Dustin '' Goldust '' Rhodes /Runnles iam just gettin really annoyed with anything they do with all 3 of them Orton Dibiase and Rhodes its so damn perdicible every time i watch Raw i can actually call what will happen before it happens like last night DX vs Legacy who didnt see that one coming honestly they need to disband Legacy really soon cause its gettin real old and stale now .

 

[pink_182]

OK so this was something I was thinking about the other week when I watched NoC and saw the involvement of Legacy again and I immediately thought of yet another thread about how they're being used incorrectly. But if you think about it, the group actually makes a lot of sense - bear with me hear.

Now if you look at Cody and Ted's individual title reigns you'll see they're not very convincing, if you look at them as a tag team they still don't exactly shine (maybe 2-4 reigns as tag champs?) So here we have 2 young guys with no real claim to greatness in the WWE but with obvious potential. When you look at it like that it makes more sense, these guys are considered serious business by association, they hang around with the WWE Champ therefore they're two of the big boys. They know without Randy they'd be nobodies and instead of fighting HHH every week they'd be fighting Hornswoggle with their hands tied behind their back. But when Randy has that title it makes them look better, so if the only way you were going to be taken seriously was to be hanging out with the WWE Champion I think you'd do everything in your power to make sure he kept that title and you wouldn't be all that worried when he didn't come running to your aid.

People complain about poor booking for this group and that they're made to look week on a regular basis but do you ever consider this is actually how they're meant to come across? I may be giving creative way too much credit but why should these two relatively small, rookie's, neither of which have a big win over a respectable opponent suddenly be beating people left, right and centre? They shouldn't. It makes perfect sense that they lose fairly often and therefore need Randy (to make them look good) as much as he needs them, when Randy has the title everyone in Legacy wins, not just him.

 

[Razor]

Where to begin?

That's for you to decide.

Why do they paint DiBiase and Rhodes as RKO's lackeys?

..They're mid-carders wrestling with a top-heel. That's what mid-carders do for upper-card heels. They do what he says.

It doesn't seem to fit the group seeing as they're all young guys.

Since when can young guys not be lackeys for a scary heel that will punt their heads off?

I could see that with Evolution seeing as Flair was past his prime, RKO was a kid, and Batista, while around the same age as HHH, was a child careerwise compared to HHH but they painted them as more on equal footing with HHH as far as I could remember and RKO, for all of his accolades, hasn't be wrestling as long as HHH was when he created Evolution(he is one of the few wrestlers today that has wrestled the Ultimate Warrior, at a WM no less) . They helped HHH and he helped them

Right..until Orton won the WHC and Trips kicked him from the group. What a nice group leader that Triple H is.

but with Legacy, it seems as if they only help RKO and he doesn't even realize when they're in trouble.

He's a heel. He doesn't care about his group. Especially Orton's character, the dude who has argued that he himself is a sociopath. But of course. The sociopath who punts people's heads in should suddenly care about his stable.

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As far as the weakness for Legacy, it's bad booking. They haven't been built as strong, so we don't think they're strong. That's the only problem. Everything else is legit and logical. Orton, the top sociopathic heel of the group, doesn't care about his stable unless they're helping him. Rhodes and Dibiase are there to learn from Orton about how to be better pro-wrestlers. They'll do anything to keep Orton happy and learn from him. The emotional part is there, the physical winning isn't.

 

[The People's Tampon]

100% lazy booking. There is one goal, and one goal only, of Legacy: To push Orton as an uber-heel. If he's on even booking with his minions, it doesn't help him stand out as the WWE Universe's super-evil bad guy. It has given DiBiase and Rhodes some exposure, but their true boost will only come when the group dissolves (fwiw, I see big things for DiBiase...he seems like a good actor and he's been good on the mike when allowed to do anything other than walk slowly in his banana hammock).

The better comparison than RKO would be the ministry when it was Undertaker and his various minions doing his bidding.

 

[Slam Master]

bad booking/bad timing/poor scenarios..Also the run-ins just make them look stupid by either thowing the worst fake stomps and fake punches I've ever seen and the fact that Randy Orton is just looking out for himself and does nothing to up the value of those 2.

The DX thing could really elevate them if done right, especially if Legacy goes over and it causes Shawn and Hunter to split and one to turn heel(hopefully Michaels).

They either get pounded or horribly jump somebody, and the crowd is basically silent when they come out. I feel bad cus they hae potential. Its the booking and the way they are portrayed that plays a role in crowd reaction.

 

[afromania]

I think the real reason Rhodes and Dibiase hang out with Orton, even though he never comes to save them, is because Randy lets them oil his body everynight. They just can't get enough of rubbing his body with the oil, so they choose to stick with him so they don't lose that privilege.

But seriously Rhodes and Dibiase have been getting a lot of exposure lately, so I don't know what everyone's bitching about. If they do fight DX at summerslam it will be 3 straight ppvs that they have tagged in together. Sure they lost the last 2 but they didn't take the pinfall in the triple threat tag at the bash and lost too 2 stars in Show and Jericho at NOC. Now they will probably have a match against DX at Summerslam which will probably elevate their status a bit.

I hate Legacy though and I hope they get the shit kicked outta them at Summerfest.

 

[Ryanakadatni99a]

Dibiase should get a singles push and become U.S. champ. This way he could look and feel as equal as Randy Orton an this could further help the Dibiase face turn in a few months

 

[JoeBudden=BestRapperAlive]

Yeah but Ortons showing he belives in them and when they fall, to get up. otherwise if they were doing all that then it would be a hell of a long time b4 those two are grown big and WWE despratlly is trying to make maineventers. Plus I think they should have added Jack Swagger. Otherwise what was that whole promo with him and Orton about? Either way its good for Raw beacuse now ppl will see legacy vs. DX which will help to temporarlly give RAW a boost. It sucks knowing that their not using all that they have at their dispossal. Were all gonna just see HHH, Orton, and Cena mixed either which way or all together and the ppl need something fresh. Like how about:

Mark Henry vs. Orton-Henry's pop. is growing fast

HHH vs. DiBiase- I think that would work some fresh young blood and two explosive talents.

M.V.P vs. Cody Rhodes- I don't know why their not using mvp anymore???

John Cena vs. Jack Swagger vs. The Miz- two young very good talents and Cena going against eachother. Miz= very entertaining cutting promos, we all know what Cena can do, and even though Swagger has a lisp he's pertty damn talented in the ring and fun to watch..

Big Show vs. Umaga- two unbeatable big forces duking it out against eachother. With Umaga as the good guy. too bad he's gone however.

Plus they should think about swapping guys on shows every now and then like:
Cm Punk
Jeff Hardy
John Morrison
Christan Cage
Edge
Shelton Benjamin(have him cut more promos)
dolph ziggler
etc..

WWE has sooo much under used talent that its not even funny!

Put Evan Bourne back too ECW to get ECW championship and work on his mic skills and promos. Then work his way through SD THEN come to raw. I just think they pushed it too fast with bringing him up. Specially when they don't even use any of their new talent. Cutting promos and bringing back prestige too other titles instead of just the world titles. cut more rivals and promos for them. more foucs on all rivalries instead of just a few. Kepp the unifide tag titles as one. It's a good idea. Theres no sense in having two. maybe even create another few titles like the raw and smackdown championships. Keep ppl on all shows so it's not that hard too bring up top notch guys when their ready and or ppl get hurt or things get boring cough!Orton! coughHHH!. That way they don't have everyone competeing for all one thing taking all the focus off the younginz.

 

[RageBattle]

It's the booking, plain and simple. Dibiase and Rhodes really aren't able to show any personality at all, other than thinking that somehow they will cement a legacy by being Orton's tools. That doesn't get over, face or heel.

One of the reasons I liked Evolution for what it was, is because it had personality. It had the king of the mountain at the time in HHH, the veteran, Ric Flair - the dirtiest player in the game, Batista who was a brute enforcer, who when put in a tag team with Flair, provided what he did not (similar to the current Jericho/Show if you will), and Randy Orton. Orton was a fresh talent who quickly established himself as the Legend Killer.

 

[Southwind]

Man when Legacy was created I was very excited the idea was great no way with a once in a generation talent such as Randy Orton could this fail Rhodes and Dibiase great choices both have very bright futures. But there's one problem it's BOOKING and the lazy/terrible job the WWE has done with Legacy's honestly the idea is still there and with them (stunningly in my eyes) going over Trips relatively cleanly did I just say that ? Maybe just maybe there's light at the end of the tunnel.

 

[BillAlfonso]

That's for you to decide.



..They're mid-carders wrestling with a top-heel. That's what mid-carders do for upper-card heels. They do what he says.



Since when can young guys not be lackeys for a scary heel that will punt their heads off?



Right..until Orton won the WHC and Trips kicked him from the group. What a nice group leader that Triple H is.



He's a heel. He doesn't care about his group. Especially Orton's character, the dude who has argued that he himself is a sociopath. But of course. The sociopath who punts people's heads in should suddenly care about his stable.

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As far as the weakness for Legacy, it's bad booking. They haven't been built as strong, so we don't think they're strong. That's the only problem. Everything else is legit and logical. Orton, the top sociopathic heel of the group, doesn't care about his stable unless they're helping him. Rhodes and Dibiase are there to learn from Orton about how to be better pro-wrestlers. They'll do anything to keep Orton happy and learn from him. The emotional part is there, the physical winning isn't.

Homeboy, you do realize that it doesn't even look like they're in stable half of the time, right? I mean, I don't even see them backstage anymore. Quick question, why was Orton in full gear if he didn't wrestle? Anyway, Look at with the Horsemen and with the NWO they always helped their stable mates which made the hole stable look strong because "don't f with that guy because now you f'in with /."

 

[mareek]

It's unfair to compare Legacy to Evolution, Evolution had a young and hungry Orton and Batista being led by HHH and Flair. Orton went on to hold the IC title for 7 months while Batista won the Tag team gold and also was made to look like an unstoppable beast. Legacy is not ready to be booked like a young orton or young batista, plus the fact that there's only 2 of them hurts the group because a us title reign for one of them makes the other look inferior. I can see legacy holding the tag titles for some time and then finally splitting and being sent to different shows. Unlike Batista and Orton when Rhodes and Dibiase leaves the group they wont be put into the ME picture but maybe just the midcard picture where they would hold some ic gold or us gold. From there on their progression is up to them, I can see Rhodes going to ECW and winning the ECW title and having a long reign with it while Ted can be on Raw or Smackdowns Upper midcard or ME picture.

 

[mareek]

I just had a hunch, if Orton was to bring in a manager for the group then that can really strengthen the stable.

 

[BillAlfonso]

I just had a hunch, if Orton was to bring in a manager for the group then that can really strengthen the stable.

Ding! Ding! Ding! You just said the magic word, a lot of these guys, RKO included could use a good manager.

 

[Baller]

Legacy is starting to look better over the past few weeks, they are no longer jobbing to HHH. Hopefully they can have a good match against DX, lose at Summerslam, but then have DX win the tag gold. Then they feud for the gold. legacy is finally on the rise and hopefully are no longer the J.O.B. squad

 

[johnnyblaze3:16]

how bout they have goldust take off the gimick and show up on raw with dusty and beat down randy and take over legacy have dusty be the guest host and make ted jr vs randy in a hitc match for the strap the new legacy beats down randy throws him in the cell and dreamstreat a new champ/era begins nobody would see this coming

 

[Baller]

Thats a little crazy dont you think. I rather have David Hart Smith say Tyson Kidd truly isnt a Hart turn on him and have him and Natalya join Legacy. Now you have your enforcer, and a diva. Legacy could hold all 4 titles on Monday Night Raw and that would truly be a Legacy

 

[RageBattle]

Why would you split up one of the few remaining tag teams? Where would that then leave Cryme Tyme?

They are all pretty much carbon copies of each other, except Orton is already established.