Hall of Fame or Not?

I'd say no on Ricky Watters. He had a very good career but to me it wasn't a hall of fame career. He spent 10 seasons in the NFL with 9 as a full time starter. He had 7 years over 1,000 yards rushing and went to 5 pro bowls and was also a very good receiver out of the back field. His career ypc average was 4.1, which is solid but not spectacular and he did have 5 seasons under 4.0 ypc. It's possible for him to get in down the line but I just don't see it.

Next up: Bill Laimbeer
 
Possibly due to me being a homer, but I'm going to say yes to Bill. He was only 35 blocks away from having 10,000+ pts, 10,0000+ rbs, and 1,000+ assts. He was one of the top defensive players in his era, having the most rebounds total in an 8 year stretch (82-90), 4x all star, one of the leaders of the 'Bad Boyz' Pistons, had the 5th longest consecutive games streak (which was only ended b/c of suspension) and has 2 NBA titles. He'd be a boarderline one, but I think he would eventually get in.

Rasheed Wallace
 
Rasheed? Certainly not. He's only a 3 time all star and won the one title I believe, and he may not have been even the second best players on that team, certainly behind Chauncey and on near equal footing with Big Ben, Prince, and Hamilton. Plus, he's a headcase who can't seem to stay in one place for too long. I like Rasheed just as much as the next guy, but definetly can't picture him as a HOF guy.

Next: Paul Pierce
 
I'm going to go fuck no on Derek Fisher. The 5 NBA titles are great but look at the teams he played for. I'm not trying to discredit his contributions but the Lakers were going to win most if not all of those titles with or without Fisher. He has only averaged double figures for 8 of his 14 seasons and his highest ppg average is just 13.3. He is also just a career 40% shooter and his highest assist total ever is only 4.4. No chance Fisher even gets considered for the hall of fame.

Next up: Glen Rice
 
Tough call on this one, he has some pretty decent scoring stats, but not much else. His one championship was with the 2000 Lakers where he had a good year but was 3rd or 4th fiddle on the team. What really helps his case is his collge career at Michigan, he was pretty important for Big Blue. Looking at everything I know about the guy I'd say yes he's in.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/ricegl01.html


Up next is Matt Hasselbeck.
 
Not even close w/ Hasselbeck. He's only a 3-time pro bowler, and 1 time all pro. He did have a good few seasons in a row from 2003-2007, but he's only started 4 full seasons. I would say from about 2003-2006 he was probably a Top 5 QB, but then the injury bug hit him and he hasn't really done enough to say 'Lock for HOF'. But, then again, I don't think Joe Namath should be in the HOF either, but he is.

Alan Trammell
 
I say yes on Trammell. It seems like every year that passes, his numbers look less and less impressive because of the talent that now plays the shortstop position. But he was arguably one of the best shortstops in the league during his time. And compare his numbers to Ozzie Smith
Ozzie- .262/.337/.328. In 9,396 ABs, he had 2,460 hits, 28 HRs, 793 RBIs.
Alan- .285/.352/.415. In 8,288 ABs, he had 2,365 hits, 185 HRs, and 1,003 RBIs.

Alan's number are close and some better than Ozzie's. There is no argument that Trammell was an all around better player than Ozzie was. And Ozzie got in first ballot. Trammell should be in the Hall by now, no way to argue that.

Next: Gil Hodges
 
Gil is a tough call, for me personally I would put him in just based on looking at his statistics in the majors; 8x All Star, 3x World Series Champ, 3x Gold Glove Winner. I never saw him play but based on the stats I would assume he'd be a good fit in the Baseball Hall of Fame. The only problem is if he died in 1972 then I don't think he'll make it in, I mean hes had about 30 years to get in, if he isn't already in then he wont get in.

Next Up: Eric Lindros.
 
People's Champ said:
I say yes on Trammell. It seems like every year that passes, his numbers look less and less impressive because of the talent that now plays the shortstop position. But he was arguably one of the best shortstops in the league during his time. And compare his numbers to Ozzie Smith
Ozzie- .262/.337/.328. In 9,396 ABs, he had 2,460 hits, 28 HRs, 793 RBIs.
Alan- .285/.352/.415. In 8,288 ABs, he had 2,365 hits, 185 HRs, and 1,003 RBIs.

Alan's number are close and some better than Ozzie's. There is no argument that Trammell was an all around better player than Ozzie was. And Ozzie got in first ballot. Trammell should be in the Hall by now, no way to argue that.

Next: Gil Hodges
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The Wizard was able to get in because of his glove. He was not only great in the field, but he did things we never saw before. Alan Trammell was one of the best shortstops of the 80s, but nothing jumps off the page when looking at his career numbers. Aside from his career year in 1987 he never got 200 hits, only hit 20 home runs once, and only topped 75 RBI once. He had a great career. He’s a six time all star and won four gold gloves. He also won the most coveted award of all, the World Series MVP in 1984. So while he had a great career I don’t feel it was a hall of fame career. If he had the glove of the wizard he would get in. Trammell has been able to remain on the ballot for eight years which is an accomplishment to be proud of.

Eric Lindros is still next.
 
I say no to Lindros.

The guy only scored 372 goals in his career and only had one season with over 100 points. Compared with other HOF players during that time like Jagr and Selanne, its nothing. Granted, he was completely marred with concussions and injuries his entire career. If it werent for those injuries, he would probably be in.

Its very close and a tough decision, but I say to Lindros.

Next up: Jason Taylor.
 
Jason Taylor, great choice TPP. It is tough to say, but I gotta go yes. He is sitting at 127.5 sacks, which is pretty darn impressive. Not sure if he is starting on the Jets at this point, but it looks like he could be used pretty much as a pass rush specialist. He was one of, if not the best pass rusher at one point with the Phins and you had to work around him. He won't be a first ballot guy, but he will definitely get in eventually.

Next up: Umm lets see here. This is tough without looking back, but I'll go with Steve Hutchinson.
 
I'm going to say yes to Steve Hutchinson. It's hard to look at O line man and whether or not they will make the Hall because stats really aren't an issue. It's all about being dominant at your position for many years and that is something Steve Hutchinson has done. Just look at the seasons guys like Shaun Alexander and Adrian Peterson have had with Hutchinson anchoring the O Line. He is a definite yes for me.

Next up: Jason Hanson
 
I'm going to say no for Jason Hanson. There is no doubt he is a good kicker, but I wouldn't call him an elite kicker and the chances a kicker makes the hall are rare as it is. I can think of maybe two kickers that have player recently or are currently playing that I would put into the hall. It is a shame a position as important as a kicker doesn't get much love, but I just can't see it happening.

Next up: Paul Tagliabue (going with a different approach here)
 
I say yes to Tagliabue.

He is regarded by many as an outstading commissioner. He was very popular with the players as well. He expanded the league, put a very good substance policy in place, and he just did an excellent job of expanded the popularity of the league. On top of all that, there were no lockouts or strikes during his run.

Next up: Johnny Damon
 
My instinct is to say no on Johnny Damon. When I think of Damon I don’t think of him as one of the most dominant players of his era and I don’t think of him as a hall of famer. Two days ago he got his 2500th hit. I forget the exact stat, but MLB Network noted he is one of only a few players to have 2500 hits, 200 home runs, and 300 stolen bases. The others are all in the hall or soon will be. Despite that I just don’t see it with Damon. He never hit 25 home runs and his career high in RBI is 94 (the only time he reached 90). It’s easily argued that power is not Damon’s role. That’s true. He led off a lot and was supposed to get on base. Well he never walked a lot and only got 200 hits once. His .288 batting average is respectable, but doesn’t really jump off the page. What about defense? Not bad, but Damon has never won a gold glove. He’s never been in the top ten in MVP voting and has only been an all star twice. I admit after looking at his numbers he’s a bit closer than I thought, but I still don’t see him in the hall of fame. Although he’s past his prime he’s still active so maybe he can have a couple more good seasons to better his chances.

Next up: Richard Dent

EDIT: I just looked back on this thread and saw Dent was already done.

Next up: Jack Morris
 
I'm gonna go yes on Jack. He started 13 straight opening days from 1980-1993. He has 4 titles, 1 WS MVP, 5x All-Star, 3 times being the starter. His ERA isn't great, but he does have over 250 wins. One year he was the Sporting News Pitcher of the year, and is one of only 2 guys to win the Babe Ruth Award more then once, with the other being Sandy Koufax. I was looking for a guy to compare him to, and Ferguson Jenkins, a current HOF, is one that I found that they were quite similar. Their winning % is about the same, with Morris having a slightly better one. Jenkins had a slightly lower ERA, and more K's, but was only a 3x all star and didn't win a title. So, if Jenkins, with his stats, can make it in, then Morris should as well.

Jeff Bagwell
 
Bagwell is a lock. That's really all that needs to be said. He had over 100 RBI in almost every season, around 35 homeruns and an MVP and RotY. Without even looking at the stats you take into account what he did for the Houston organization and you have a great player. He took them to their first ever World Series and was a staple in houston for over 10 years.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/b/bagweje01.shtml

Let's go with Craig Biggio.
 
Biggio is going in. 500 home runs may not be a ticket to the hall anymore, but 3000 hits still is. Everyone knows Biggio has over 3000 hits, but not everyone realizes he is 5th in doubles with 668. Not known for his power, Biggio also hit nearly 300 home runs. 414 may not seem like a huge number for stolen bases, but it’s pretty good for this era. Don’t forget Biggio was an all star at both catcher and second base before moving to the outfield. I never really thought of Biggio as a hall of famer until about five years ago, but he quietly put together a hall of fame career.

Next: Cris Carter
 
Definitely a yes on Cris Carter.

He is in the top 5 in reception, touchdown receptions, and he's up there in yards as well. He has great hands and was easily one of the best receivers around his time. I am really surprised that he isnt already in the hall.

Next up: Randy Moss
 
Yes Moss is a hall of famer. He might not have the longevity of someone like Rice but his stats are phenomenal. He was an absolute beast in Minny, was part of a record breaking year in New England. He's a touchdown catching machine and his act as a professional may be in question but that shouldn't keep him out of the hall. Someone name me a better receiver that isn't named Randy Moss?

I just looked back and didn't see a Billy Wagner mention, so I pick Billy Wagner?
 
I'm gonna go no on Wagner. While he does have over 400 saves and will, at worst, retire with the 4th most saves of all time, the two men ahead of him, Lee Smith and John Franco, both have more saves and pitched for more innings. While their ERA's are slightly higher, both have won more Roalaid's relief man awards and Smith has 1 more ASG appearance, yet neither of them are in. While Wagner's stuff is pretty good and he could get in after a few tries, Smith and Franco should go in before him.

Jamal Lewis is next.
 
I'm going no for Jamal Lewis, he had his 2,000 yard season and a Superbowl and that's about it. He only averaged over 100 yards per game in 2003 and wasn't the most versatile guy either. Now he did play in a time where Running Backs did alot more than run and now with most teams going to the two headed attack he might have impressive enough stats to stand out. It's hard to judge with him though since he's only played for 9 seasons, but for now I say no.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/L/LewiJa00.htm

Next is Tory Holt.
 
I'm going to say yes for Torry Holt but it will take a few years once he's eligible. His numbers are on par or better with the majority of the wide outs already in the hall. There was an 8 year period where he was an elite receiver in the NFL. The one thing going against him is that he is coming from the receiver era where there are tons of guys with great numbers. Randy Moss, Marvin Harrison, Terrell Ownes, etc.. have all put up big numbers in this era. However, Holt's numbers are right up there with the guys in that group so I say he definitely gets in.

Next up: Orlando Pace
 
Greatest Show on Turf connection, nice I like it.

Yes, and a big yes. Orlando Pace has been a great LT throughout his entire career. With him being on the O Line there really aren't any stats to look up But I can tell you from watching him every Sunday for years that he was one of the best. He got the injury bug late in his career but i don't think that dampers his credintials. Pace was a 7 time Pro Bowler and a Superbowl Champion on one of the most explosive teams in NFL history.


Let's stay with the trend and go with Issac Bruce.
 
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