Goldberg:Sucess or Failure

[XxXEGfanXxX]

This Thread will revolve around if Goldberg was a sucess or a failure.

IMO I think goldberg was a BIG sucess the energy this man bought to the arenas. He was to stiff but he had a charisma.

Now here is a side question. If he would have stood in the WWE what would have been his career path?

Now what are your thoughts?

 

[BernacK6]

Awesome topic.

I just watched the Rise and Fall of WCW DVD, so I feel like I'm totally refreshed on his impact.

Goldberg was A Success AND A Failure!!!! Goldberg contributed greatly to the Rise of WCW with his undefeated streak and his general mystique. He was a very gracious rookie and was very thankful to the guys who put him over. By the time he was in line to capture the World Heavyweight Title, the WCW was at its' absolute peak of glory. The timing couldn't have been more perfect. He was easily the most over superstar in WCW's history at that exact moment. He may have even been bigger than Stone Cold OR The Rock. His contributions to this dominant WCW made him a total success.

But then he won the title. The title exchanged hands from Hogan to Goldberg on Monday Nitro, rather than a PPV where it belonged. Experts say that this was the moment where things started to tip and roll downhill. Because WCW was putting on PPV Quality Main Events on Nitro, PPV Buys started to drop and they had to come back towards the competition (WWF/E) in terms of show and card quality. By this time, Nash had gained Booker Status and Goldberg became increasingly more difficult to work with. Nash ending Goldberg's streak was one of the ultimate failures of WCW. Goldberg is a failure in this aspect because after the streak, he wrestled stiffer, refused to put other (younger or new) wrestlers over, and acted on his booking power whenever possible to avoid losing. Goldberg is synonymous with the end of Bret Hart's career, and that's because he couldn't handle backstage politics.

I don't even count his run with WWE because honestly, it was an OK attempt to try and relive some of the glory years of Goldberg. Because Goldberg was so over when he landed there, he wasn't given the opportunity to run through the roster and re-show his dominance. He was immediately a Main Eventer and any time he lost, his dominance began to fade. He finally departs to boos at Wrestlemania after a disasterous final match between him and Lesnar. This taints his legacy if you let it, and now that he's gone, I don't let it do that.

 

[SAMBOLIEWWE]

Goldberg was a huge success . This must have come from the new WCW dvd. I bought it today, ( pretty good ) and it really came off very positive on Goldberg. I was surprised since he isnt one of Vince's creations .

Goldberg reached huge heights , and if he was from the E , he would be talked about in the light of the Rock, and close to Austin.

Im not a huge Goldberg mark, he was what he was, and he did have his flaws.

All in all I think he was a success because he got people to watch and order ppvs. He captivated everyone. and if he didnt captivate you, you are a liar or weren't watching at the time.

Hell Hogan wasn't Bret Hart in the ring, but he put asses in the seats, and he got everyone all caught up in " GOLDMANIA" . I think of him as a modern day Hogan. and that right there tells how much of a success he was.

He reached as high as he could in WWE because he wasnt one of Vince's boys.

 

[CuddleBuns84]

You are correct, he was fun to watch at the beginning then he got worse and worse. He had a a hard time handling politics. He had a rough time in the WWE because he went right to the top, which WWE was known for working their way to the top. Goldberg got dropped right where HHH and The Undertaker were at. The same went for Scott Steiner, he was thrown in to main event field, and just failed.

 

[RKOhead84]

bernack took the words right out of my mouth. i also bought the wcw dvd today which i thought was very good, a little too much like the monday night wars in a way, but very good. back to the matter at hand. he was imo a success and a failure. crowd support, merchandising and his look shot him to the top. but i think they had his undefeated streak go a little too long. we all thought that he could never be beat and when he did it killed his momentum. i remember watching nitro the night he beat hogan and was running around my living room ( i was in the 8th grade stop laughing) thinking that was the best match ever. but when he came to the wwe i think we all knew he would hold the belt eventually. i just think mentally and physically he wasnt the same goldberg we witnessed in wcw. something was just missing i cant put my finger on it. but in answer to your question you have to say he was a success, bc if what he did wasnt success i dont know what is. but i think he was a failure bc he just didnt have the longevity. now in 2009 when you think about goldberg, it seems like he came and went.

 

[smalltownfan]

Goldberg in WCW was a huge success. Goldberg in WWE, especially the last year of his career there, was a failure. I can't believe that WWE didn't know how to utilize this guy. He was an animal long before Batista ever came around. A tremendous athlete with great energy, intensity, and ridiculous raw power and the fans loved him. In fact, he revived WCW when the NWO was taking over and gave the fans something to be fanatic about. In WWE, he was great to begin with, but then he went off the map. Why I don't know, but I think WWE dropped the ball on that one.

 

[allketchupisnotthesame]

goldberg sucked.

Id rather watch gillberg any day.

I hated the streak...he didnt deserve it...he wasnt a wrestler...he was a football player that was put in a wrestlers position.

maybe thats why he had no skills...just another boring "punch punch kick" style "performer"...who by the way...wasnt even very good at that...I mean...not only did the carelessness of this non wrestler cost us the true wrestling talent that was bret hart...I think he was known for injuring a few others.

thankfully scott hall had that taser.

 

[anklebreaker]

Goldberg was a huge success because he came through for WCW launching the company into the statusphere during a very pivotal time. But make no mistake, Goldberg was and always will be a talentless hack. He was that days modern day hogan. he had no move set, he was strong and for a nice chunk of his career, he was untouchable.

But as for me, I have great dislike and almost hatred for the man because he ended Bret harts career. If it wasn't for that stiff kick to the head we could have possibly seen Hart v Angle, Hart v Rock, Hart v Brock etc... you get my point. I take solace in the fact that WCW gave us Hart v Benoit. Their matches were truly legendary.

 

[theBec2101]

First of all it Goldberg and the streak was good for a little, But it got boring a little after 100. Goldberg vs the NWO was cool also I did enjoy watching him wrestle, he was just differnt, before the likes Batista and Brock. So there. He had some good qualities. All in all didnt amount to much. He is a complete failure.
-You say John Cena has 5 moves, well he had only two, then when they gave him the super kick, well we all know how that turned out with the Bret Hart
-He didnt save WCW, WCW still went under, remember Vince bought it
-When the last time we heard chants for Goldberg and Cena, or even just Goldberg
-He used his gimick for way to long and had no skills to improve or modify it.
-Mic skills were trash, he just said who next or your next, and grunted.
-He (and Brock) basicly got paid made a little fame and is riding that.(who the hell watches bullrun honestly, and he was a mma answer but they went under)
-He was the cause for The Rock and Austine not having a propblem leaving the way they did. They put him over just so he could retire what a year later and just walkout on some creative ideas he didnt like(Brock is also the reason they left)

 

[ECW2908]

Goldberg didnt have much of a chance to be sucessful. The whole undefeated gimmck is terrible for any superstar. Once they get defeated the whole gimmck is over with. Then you are left with just Goldberg. He had piss poor mic skills and average wrestling skills. The veterans he faced helped make his matches look a little better. Then ending Bret Harts career? It is such a shame. Goldberg didnt go over well in WWE because he had already been beaten in WcW. The gimmick was gone!! I was even excited about his victory streak but once it ended who honestly cared? I know I didnt! Also everyone gets down on Hogan over not wanting to put guys over. Well he put Goldberg and Big Show over. They were both rookies with littel to no expierence

 

[Барбоса]

The root of Goldberg's success was also the root of his ultimate failure...

The Streak

Making Goldberg go on such an undefeated run was a stroke of genius. He had the look, the intensity and the strength to pull off being the unstoppable monster. I mean who wasn't stunned by the Jackhammer on the Giant/Big Show? More importantly, it allowed him to work the same match for the best part of two years, glossing over his lack of even the most basic technical skills in the ring or charisma on the mic.

In the past I have heard some wrestlers say that The Streak should never have ended. However, in my opinion, The Streak had lasted too long even before Goldberg captured the title from Hogan as it had quickly become the integral part of Goldberg's entire run in WCW. No time had been taken to build a personality for Goldberg aside from "the ex-footballer who always wins." That Title match with Hogan on Nitro was a good opportunity to end The Streak and then build a PPV rematch. The Streak intact made it difficult for Goldberg to be a viable World Heavyweight Champion and have sustainable feuds (although I thought forcing Goldberg to recreate and surpass The Streak was a great idea).

In my mind, the only way to keep Goldberg fresh after he won the WHC would have been to keep The Streak intact, have him finish the NWO and then find a way to turn him heel. That would have automatically changed the whole dynamic of Goldberg. Fans would now be paying to see him lose. At the time, WCW did have a handful of men I could have seen defeat Goldberg. Ric Flair and Sting must be included as the Godfathers of WCW but for me a heel Goldberg still engaged in The Streak would have been perfect fodder for a mega face turn for Hulk Hogan following the end of the NWO.

 

[SinCityBlitz]

He was most definitely a success. He was over and made a lot of money. It wasn't his fault that the bookers had no clue what to do with him when his streak ended.

Goldberg was in the right place at the right time while being in the wrong place at the wrong time at the same time. I mean he took off and was hugely successful all the while the higher ups made him a one trick pony. So he took off but it was only going to go as far as the streak went because no one bothered to really give him anything else to work off of. Plus he was learning how to play politics because of who they had backstage.

It's sad that he was a victim of his own success. At one point he was just as popular as Rock, Hogan and Austin were. But the backstage area of WCW was just so unstable when he was taking off.

 

[JBK2008]

I want to see the new WCW dvd but until then my thoughts are that he was a success. He did what WCW wanted him to do and that was to draw fans and make money. "The Streak" was indeed impressive and it's something we may never see again but he didn't need it to get over during those years. He was brutal and his style got everyone excited. Yes his skill set wasn't overall impressive but the man had the look and even though his WWE run was short, it was still good enough. He didn't have to talk. He came in, kicked ass and left. That's what we loved about him.

He took no crap in the ring. He'd crush his opponent and just keep going. Now I'm sure once I see this dvd, my view may change, it may not, but until then, that's my stance on it. He was overall a success.

 

[WrestlingMark84]

I want to see the new WCW dvd but until then my thoughts are that he was a success. He did what WCW wanted him to do and that was to draw fans and make money. "The Streak" was indeed impressive and it's something we may never see again but he didn't need it to get over during those years. He was brutal and his style got everyone excited. Yes his skill set wasn't overall impressive but the man had the look and even though his WWE run was short, it was still good enough. He didn't have to talk. He came in, kicked ass and left. That's what we loved about him.

He took no crap in the ring. He'd crush his opponent and just keep going. Now I'm sure once I see this dvd, my view may change, it may not, but until then, that's my stance on it. He was overall a success.

your view should be your veiw..don't let the opinion of others changr how u feel about GoldBerg.I for one think he was an absolute success and was only not utilized properly when he entered the E and at the end of his WCW career when they tried to have an unsuccessful heel turn

 

[666_The_Game_666]

Goldberg was a success and a failure. During the peak of WCW and NWO Goldberg was the only one who got a push with his streak he was easily the biggest WCW Made Star after Sting seeing NWO was primarly WWE Made guys. His first title was a waste of time well the match they aired it on Nitro i mean Goldberg at this point was the biggest thing in WCW and him taking on Hogan would of been huge and drawn a large by rate for a PPV. When Goldberg came to WWE he was Raws answer to Lesnar hed just dominate his competition but they kept the same gimmick for him which was good. And he put on a killer feud with HHH in 2003 and he struck fear into the Game which was awsome to see. But his success was his failure to they built his streak up to something that was unbelibly large only to kill it and his WWE phase was also kinda lame wasnt that good and is mainly remember for his 2003 feud with HHH

 

[Wrath]

He was a huge failure and possibly one of the most overrated wrestlers of all time. What made Goldber was the hype. Lets take a look at Goldberg's career. Goldberg debuted on Nitro against Hugh Morrus and started to get his push. He then started his streak storyline and for a year and half he has beaten tons of jobber/midcarders. First of all Goldberg was the only new WCW superstar that was getting a push. The wrestlers like Booker T,Scott Steiner who were in WCW longer than him were still in their same positions. Then people started to realised Goldberg is still undefeated and WCW hyped him more(by adding Goldberg chants in his theme music) The only thing Goldberg did was adding some intense to his moves. Ok it looked badass but that intense was the reason Hart retired. People started to get behind him and he started to climb the ladders of being a main eventer. Goldberg got his first important victory against Raven for the US title. After winning the title he started dominating the midcard division and started getting over. After a short period of time he beat Hulk Hogan clean on Monday Nitro for WH title. WTF! Even Sting couldn't do that. He then started dominating the ME scene. Goldberg really got very over. But it had anything to do with Goldberg WCW built him so great. After he lost his streak what Goldberg really got. His all credibility and momentum just dead after his streak ended.He had done nothing important after his streak except ending Hart's career. If WCW continued the streak much longer people would get bored of. So all the push,hype and build up lead to a failure.

After his WCW career just like the other WCW wrestlers he tried his chance at WWE. Who thinks Vince ruined Goldberg in WWE are Goldberg marks or knows nothing about wrestling business. Vince pushed him in hell. Look at his first PPV match against one of the biggest stars not only in WWE but in wrestling business ever. He had a short feud with Jericho and then started pursuing the WH title all again. He got involved in EC and if I remember correctly he eliminated everyone except Triple H. Then a month later he won WH title. Just tell me how many wrestlers from WCW won WWE WH title right after they returned. He lost his title to start a feud with the biggest star of the company and beat him as well. Then his contract expired and he left.

I made a short review of Goldberg's career. Don't get me wrong I'm not a Goldberg hater and loved him so much at that time but it doesn't change the fact that he was a failure. Ok he succeed at getting over but not because of himself. WCW made Goldberg. They pushed him like no one else in the company. Without that build up and hype Goldberg couldn't make it. Was he a huge star at a time period ? Yes. But it resulted as a failure.

 

[Y 2 Jake]

He was a huge failure

I wouldn't call the only wrestler close to challenging Steve Austin's popularity in 1998 a failure.

and possibly one of the most overrated wrestlers of all time.

From what I've read over the years he's underrated.

What made Goldber was the hype.

Isn't that the same with most things?

Lets take a look at Goldberg's career. Goldberg debuted on Nitro against Hugh Morrus and started to get his push. He then started his streak storyline and for a year and half he has beaten tons of jobber/midcarders. First of all Goldberg was the only new WCW superstar that was getting a push.

Great angle.

The wrestlers like Booker T,Scott Steiner who were in WCW longer than him were still in their same positions.

I don't being in a company longer entitles you to a push. And both those two got their shot within WCW, neither were a huge success.

Then people started to realised Goldberg is still undefeated and WCW hyped him more(by adding Goldberg chants in his theme music) The only thing Goldberg did was adding some intense to his moves.

If only Vladimir Kozlov could squash wrestlers the way Goldberg could. He'd be a superstar now if that was the case.

Ok it looked badass but that intense was the reason Hart retired.

He was getting old anyway.

People started to get behind him and he started to climb the ladders of being a main eventer.

Seems like a good reason to push him to me.

Goldberg got his first important victory against Raven for the US title. After winning the title he started dominating the midcard division and started getting over.

I think he was over before, which will be why he got the US title.

After a short period of time he beat Hulk Hogan clean on Monday Nitro for WH title. WTF! Even Sting couldn't do that. He then started dominating the ME scene. Goldberg really got very over. But it had anything to do with Goldberg WCW built him so great. After he lost his streak what Goldberg really got.

I didn't understand too much of that.

His all credibility and momentum just dead after his streak ended.

Injuries will do that.

He had done nothing important after his streak except ending Hart's career.

Santa's Slay, hello.

If WCW continued the streak much longer people would get bored of. So all the push,hype and build up lead to a failure.

Wrestling fans get bored of most things. But it's just as likely that fans would've grown to love him more.

After his WCW career just like the other WCW wrestlers he tried his chance at WWE. Who thinks Vince ruined Goldberg in WWE are Goldberg marks or knows nothing about wrestling business. Vince pushed him in hell. Look at his first PPV match against one of the biggest stars not only in WWE but in wrestling business ever.

Chris Jericho? Ermm.

He had a short feud with Jericho and then started pursuing the WH title all again. He got involved in EC and if I remember correctly he eliminated everyone except Triple H. Then a month later he won WH title. Just tell me how many wrestlers from WCW won WWE WH title right after they returned. He lost his title to start a feud with the biggest star of the company and beat him as well. Then his contract expired and he left.

Looking back, Triple H fucked up every feud he was involved in that year.

I made a short review of Goldberg's career. Don't get me wrong I'm not a Goldberg hater and loved him so much at that time but it doesn't change the fact that he was a failure.

I've seen nothing from you to suggest he is.

Ok he succeed at getting over but not because of himself. WCW made Goldberg.

Could they have made Goldberg with Perry Saturn?

They pushed him like no one else in the company. Without that build up and hype Goldberg couldn't make it. Was he a huge star at a time period ? Yes. But it resulted as a failure.

Goldberg had ''the look'', so it's possible he would've made it.

 

[Wrath]

I wouldn't call the only wrestler close to challenging Steve Austin's popularity in 1998 a failure.

I've never said Goldberg succeed at getting over. I actually said Goldberg was a huge star at one time period. The difference between Austin and Goldberg is Austin made it big by his charisma and stayed the top of the WWE until the end of his career and Goldberg made it big by all of WCW's build up's and lost his spot after his streak was ended. So even though WCW's attemps to make him big he failed at the end of the day by returning midcard scene.

From what I've read over the years he's underrated.

It means those people don't know the meaning of underrated. It's hard to call someone who is former two time world champion had a huge 173 winning streak and beaten people like Hogan,Lesnar,Triple H and The Rock.

Isn't that the same with most things?

Yeah but you missed a point. The other wrestlers(Cena,Hogan,Austin) could keep their spots as number one but when Goldberg lost his streak he had nothing else.

Great angle.

I have never said it was a bad angle.

I don't being in a company longer entitles you to a push. And both those two got their shot within WCW, neither were a huge success.

I didn't mean Booker T and Steiner deserved it more than Goldberg. I said it to back up my idea of Goldberg being overrated. While he was getting the push of his life time in 1 year people like Booker T stayed at where they were and not building up new talents is accepted as one of the reasons of WCW's downfall. Btw when T and Steiner got their shot in WCW it was WCW's worst days there have been lots of politics,booking problems,financial problems etc. When Goldberg got his shot it was WCW's hottest year. So unfair to compare isn't it ?

If only Vladimir Kozlov could squash wrestlers the way Goldberg could. He'd be a superstar now if that was the case.

If Vladimir Kozlov could add some more intense to his moves like Goldberg did yeah maybe he would've gotten the WWE title already. Remember Goldberg's matches he didn't talk just came in the ring and perform a move like jackhammer like it really hurts.

He was getting old anyway.

So is it your excuse for Goldberg ending Hart's career. Hart was 41 at that time and he never injured someone by using the excuse of he's being old.

Seems like a good reason to push him to me.

I did not say otherwise.

I think he was over before, which will be why he got the US title.

It doesn't matter when he was over the point is he got over at a time in his career.

I didn't understand too much of that.

What I mean is WCW gave him a clean victory over Hogan. Even Sting couldn't do it. Who was the most over person in 97.

Santa's Slay, hello.

I don't understand what did you mean.

Wrestling fans get bored of most things. But it's just as likely that fans would've grown to love him more.

Really how could the streak last ? For 2 years for 6 years. I should have ended sooner or later and if it wasn't ended at Starrcade it would've ended at somewhere else otherwise people would get bored of it very quickly. It was always the same thing week after week people interested in because they were curious about when it was gonna end.

Chris Jericho? Ermm.

You have a bad memory. If you smelllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll.....

Looking back, Triple H fucked up every feud he was involved in that year.

Even though the feud was bad Goldberg got a chance that most of the superstars who jumped from WCW to WWE have waited for years to get it. He got the WH title in his first year in the company.

I've seen nothing from you to suggest he is.

He was after all the push,build up and hype he ended up as a monsters who dominates midcard division in WCW. So isn't that mean a failure.

Could they have made Goldberg with Perry Saturn?

Maybe. Who would've thought Rocky Maivia was gonna be one of the biggest stars of WwE.

Goldberg had ''the look'', so it's possible he would've made it.

But he couldn't. If you watched WCW from 99/00 he didn't really do much. His overness in 98 had already been gone. When all the streak angle is finished Goldberg became like a fish who is in earth.

The thing you can't understand is I didn't mean Goldberg was huge at one time but being a failure is a different thing. I think he failed because after all returned back the place he came from. Goldberg staying power was his streak and it couldn't last forever. When it's gone everything he had was gone and he didn't do much to climb back to ME ladder once again. That's why I think he was a failure.

 

[obiwansidisi]

Goldberg was a huge success, one that won’t be repeated. What made Goldberg a success was the fact that like Hogan and HBK in the WWE (pre Attitude era), he was scripted to be the fan favorite. His streak was ingenious. It was originally designed by Russo and Bischoff to piss Vince off, and it worked. Despite what the WCW DVD reports (remember, Vince has the last word on what goes on it, so it’s going to be skewed somewhat). I agree, he should’ve waited to gain the title, saving that for the P.P.V., that would’ve made his win a bit stronger, but by that time, WCW had already begun its descent. Would it have worked in the WWE? No, what happened to Goldberg was on purpose. Vince destroys what he doesn’t create. He punk’d Booker T, making him lose to The Rock the moment he got there. Name one person left from the original WCW roster? Mysterio and Jericho don’t count because they jumped ship just before WCW was “taken over”, same thing with Guerrero and Melinko. If Goldberg somehow managed to survive this long, he’d be jobbing to Koslov, ‘Taker and Big Show.

 

[Y 2 Jake]

I've never said Goldberg succeed at getting over. I actually said Goldberg was a huge star at one time period. The difference between Austin and Goldberg is Austin made it big by his charisma and stayed the top of the WWE until the end of his career and Goldberg made it big by all of WCW's build up's and lost his spot after his streak was ended. So even though WCW's attemps to make him big he failed at the end of the day by returning midcard scene.

But that's just not true, is it? If Goldberg became a mid card wrestler then that's exactly what became of Austin in 2002, but that's just not the case.

It means those people don't know the meaning of underrated. It's hard to call someone who is former two time world champion had a huge 173 winning streak and beaten people like Hogan,Lesnar,Triple H and The Rock.

I always thought that underrated in wrestling meant that somebody wasn't given recognition for what they'd done and achieved. Which is what makes Goldberg underrated as people bypass all the good stuff he did and they concentrate on his limited ability when it comes to thinking up more wrestling moves to perform.

Yeah but you missed a point. The other wrestlers(Cena,Hogan,Austin) could keep their spots as number one but when Goldberg lost his streak he had nothing else.

If he hadn't been injured for long periods then he would have been able to gain a little momentum.

There's only so much uyou can do when a whole company is falling around your feet.

I didn't mean Booker T and Steiner deserved it more than Goldberg. I said it to back up my idea of Goldberg being overrated. While he was getting the push of his life time in 1 year people like Booker T stayed at where they were and not building up new talents is accepted as one of the reasons of WCW's downfall.

But at the same time Booker T was being built up. A great feud with Chris Benoit that made Booker like like a brillaint worker and victories over Bret Hart.

Btw when T and Steiner got their shot in WCW it was WCW's worst days there have been lots of politics,booking problems,financial problems etc. When Goldberg got his shot it was WCW's hottest year. So unfair to compare isn't it ?

I wouldn't say so, no. Booker & Steiner were given more of a shot. Because while they had to contend with some awful booking, they didn't have to rise to the top among a plethora of established superstars.

If Vladimir Kozlov could add some more intense to his moves like Goldberg did yeah maybe he would've gotten the WWE title already. Remember Goldberg's matches he didn't talk just came in the ring and perform a move like jackhammer like it really hurts.

Vladimir Kozlov proves that a great push alone won't work if you aren't talented.

So is it your excuse for Goldberg ending Hart's career. Hart was 41 at that time and he never injured someone by using the excuse of he's being old.

It was sarcasm. But I'm of the opinion that shit happens. And if Goldberg had apologized to Bret Hart, and if Bret wasn't so into himself, he'd probably be of the same opinion.

Really how could the streak last ? For 2 years for 6 years. I should have ended sooner or later and if it wasn't ended at Starrcade it would've ended at somewhere else otherwise people would get bored of it very quickly. It was always the same thing week after week people interested in because they were curious about when it was gonna end.

The streak could've lasted as long as it was working.

You have a bad memory. If you smelllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll.....

Oh yeah, total flop from what I don't remember.

Even though the feud was bad Goldberg got a chance that most of the superstars who jumped from WCW to WWE have waited for years to get it. He got the WH title in his first year in the company.

As he should've. He was the biggest star on Raw and possible the whole company.

He was after all the push,build up and hype he ended up as a monsters who dominates midcard division in WCW. So isn't that mean a failure.

It means those people don't know the meaning of underrated. It's hard to call someone who is former two time world champion had a huge 173 winning streak and beaten people like Hogan,Lesnar,Triple H and The Rock.

I wouldn't say so.

When all the streak angle is finished Goldberg became like a fish who is in earth.

Great quote.

 

[Wrath]

But that's just not true, is it? If Goldberg became a mid card wrestler then that's exactly what became of Austin in 2002, but that's just not the case.

The difference is Austin had so many backstage issues so he always chose to walk out from WWE and refused lots of angle that's offered to him. So WWE couldn't find anything to do with Austin and he actually retired after WM 19. But if we look at Goldberg he had an unsuccesful heel turn which led him to turn face once again being in a feud with Russo and chasing the title but always losing. So he was in a position like midcarder/uppermidcarder. Austin on the other hand was in a bad position because of his attitude problems WWE even offered him a feud with Lesnar and he refused to put him over.

I always thought that underrated in wrestling meant that somebody wasn't given recognition for what they'd done and achieved. Which is what makes Goldberg underrated as people bypass all the good stuff he did and they concentrate on his limited ability when it comes to thinking up more wrestling moves to perform.

I meant by underrated is someone who has talent,charisma and look but can't be utilized by the company. But it's not true in Goldberg's case. He is a former two time world champion,has the most popular streak of all time and have victories over mega stars.

If he hadn't been injured for long periods then he would have been able to gain a little momentum.

It again proves why he is a failure. If you can't keep yourself safe in the ring it means you are a failure even after all of the company's attempts for you to hype.

But at the same time Booker T was being built up. A great feud with Chris Benoit that made Booker like like a brillaint worker and victories over Bret Hart.

I have to agree that his feud with Benoit helped him much but after all look at after his feud with Benoit he and Ray reunited and started chasing the titles all again. If it wasn't for Hogan who left the company at BATB 00 we maybe wouldn't have seen Booker T as a WH champion ever.

I wouldn't say so, no. Booker & Steiner were given more of a shot. Because while they had to contend with some awful booking, they didn't have to rise to the top among a plethora of established superstars.

The problem is when they got on top no one cared about WCW. WWF was dominating the ratings but look at Goldberg's first title reign he got the title when WCW was doing 4's and 5's. They actually really didn't have a chance to prove themselves with that shitty booking.

Vladimir Kozlov proves that a great push alone won't work if you aren't talented.

I didn't say Goldberg was a talentless bitch. He actually was great at what he did but being talented doesn't mean being not a failure. I think Goldberg is a failure because he failed he couldn't stay on top. WCW gave everything to this man to make him yeah he got over quickly but lost it as quickly as he gained his overness.

It was sarcasm. But I'm of the opinion that shit happens. And if Goldberg had apologized to Bret Hart, and if Bret wasn't so into himself, he'd probably be of the same opinion.

It's not actually about Goldberg nor Hart. My point was Goldberg's intense damaged some people and Bret Hart is the biggest example of it.

The streak could've lasted as long as it was working.

But it should've ended. WCW maybe continued the whole streak angle but it wouldn't have changed so much things. Goldberg would've still lost Nash with a taser gun at the end of the day. WCW only could make some more money from it.

Oh yeah, total flop from what I don't remember.

Maybe but it still doesn't change the fact that he beat The Rock in his first PPV match.

As he should've. He was the biggest star on Raw and possible the whole company.

Yeah I'm not against it. What you can't understand from my quotes is I don't mean Goldberg didn't deserve his push. He was the most over guy on the roster in 98 . What I'm trying to explain is at the end of his career he failed he couldn't keep his overness so it means he failed. Thats why Goldberg is not accepted in the same level as Hogan,Stone Cold or The Rock even though he was close to Stone Cold's popularity in 98.

Great quote.

Thanks.

 

[C4Mahdee]

I haven't read any of the other responses to this thread strictly because I want my opinion untainted, no offense guys but I like to keep it as unbias as possible. Oooh sounds a little heelish, anyway.

Bill Goldberg had every single opportunity to be perhaps the biggest star in professional wrestling. He was given this opportunity at least twice in two different promotions. His problem was always starting strong on runs and seeming to fizzle in the end. Of course the biggest problem for Goldberg was the fact he could hardly work. But that wasn't entirely his fault. WCW saw him as their Stone Cold. It was obvious to everyone.So they shot him through the Powerplant with minimal training and sent him staright into what became one of the quickest World Title runs in WCW history. Especially for a greenhorn. During those times though he was "fed" wrestlers and when he did face Hogan on Nitro, finally winning the belt, that was it. They might as well have said, "Fuck it, we might as well blow our wad right now to make up for the Foley thing." Goldberg's mystique (not unlike The Undertaker's) was to be the unstopable beast. Putting the strap on him so quickly was not the best thing to do to a guy who can't work, is terrible on the mic and believes the hype a pro wrestling promoter is giving him.

Don't get me wrong though. I like Goldberg. I really do. I always hoped he would learn a bit more and try to comeback because i always thought that with a little better training the failure that was Bill Goldberg would have been the GOLDmine it was supposed to be. Perhaps we'd be chanting "GOLD-BERG!" today.

P.S. He did end Bret Hart's career as well and that for any pure wrestling fan is just not right. Okay so I guess I'm alittle bias. Sue me.