getting bashed for having an opinion

[Banned Dysturbed]

Well, atleast you weren't IP Banned. You'd also be glad the WZ Prison isn't around anymore. It was a good idea awhile back. It was pretty funny seeing some people in there and things they had to say. Also some of the things people did to get out of prison. Wouldn't be bad to bring it back, but not everyone has learned there lesson from it, and sometimes they kept doing the same thing that they were put in prison for. I don't know if it would be in demand to put the WZ Prison back on the WZ Forum, but its not a bad idea. Busted Quad kept the legacy of the WZ Prison alive just with a different name. Some people just don't know when to stop.

I'd love to have it back but I don't think that JP is on enough to put people in and take them out like I did. Plus we had it so that posters had to have permission to post in there with the "inmates" so that we didn't have hundreds of posters causing problems in there, and I don't think that he'd be on enough to make that possible It worked really well too cause most people put there actually tried to improve because they appreciated that they were given another shot instead of banned.

 

[kapp]

I'd love to have it back but I don't think that JP is on enough to put people in and take them out like I did. Plus we had it so that posters had to have permission to post in there with the "inmates" so that we didn't have hundreds of posters causing problems in there, and I don't think that he'd be on enough to make that possible It worked really well too cause most people put there actually tried to improve because they appreciated that they were given another shot instead of banned.

Yeah, I remember all that. It was the right thing to do when posters were out of line, but some things were entertaining. I remember Acrobat creating WZ Prison. Why'd JP take up the Admin spot when everyone else moved to the other forums? Don't you think atleast 2 Admins should of been put in place, since JP doesn't come around regularly? I mean atleast that came around more often and took care of things (just in case WZ Prison) was ever brought back. I know you trusted him as Admin and I would trust him too, but I got lost in the shuffle when alot of things happened last year. Last year my computer was screwed from to this day I don't know what went wrong with it, but it was already a few years old and I wanted to get a new one. At the time I got really busy with work and was putting in long over time hours to complete some projects that the company where I work at wanted things done asap, so with all that I didn't get a computer for a few months. When I came back the WZ Forum was down numerous times, so I eventually stopped coming around for another few hoping by then that everything with this Forum would be cool, but most of WZ moved to Busted Quad. I know Brian never really cared too much about the Forum and all, but after alot of people left, WZ went haywire, but I still continued to post as much as I could to try to contribute to WZ like I used too before my computer went down.

Anyway, I know your focused on Busted Quad and you, Proto, peopleschamp, etc... are doing as much as you can around here and I thank you all for that. I've seen a change already after a few months after the Forum was put back up and is doing alot better now, than last year after all the haywire took place.

I just want to thank everyone that stayed loyal to WZ even after everything bad that happened over the years. So to Dysturbed, Proto, peopleschamp, Advocate, Absolute, Sun, Loki, and I know, I missed alot of names, but I was naming a few who put fourth all the effort that they could to keep WZ as good at it was over the years. Thank you for being what Paul Heyman was to ECW as everyone was to WZ.

I think it would be better to have the WZ Prison back, but I also want to see you put someone in there for old times sake.

 

[Banned Dysturbed]

Why'd JP take up the Admin spot when everyone else moved to the other forums?

To make it short, Brian actually decided to coorespond with someone and that happened to be JP who I'll add was a good choice as he does what he can when he can.


To make it long, this is something that was posted back at the old WZ when someone asked what was going on. I forget if it was Proto or Advo that posted it.

the main problem is the owner never granted the administrator's full access to the admin control panel... without it WZ could not be run as a forum should, and numerous functions such as IP banning were unavailible, allowing troublemakers to repeatedly ruin this place and cause shit with no way of stoping them. In the past, some admins had abused their powers with the admin control panel, so this was the owners way of safeguarding it, inturn, he agreed to perform any admin function requested by the admins. That did not last very long at all as he was rarely ever on in the first place... any attempts to get things done or fixed went ignored... attempts to regain the full admin control panel by showing/petitioning the owner of how trustworthy and faithful to WZ dysturbed had been went ignored... ( http://www.wzforums.com/showthread.php?t=100409 ) emails, PM's and even IM's went ignored... then over the summer... the forum, or the forum server started to crash... glitches with even the normal moderator control panel started occuring... simple forum options such as posting, or searching started having errors at times... attempts to contact the owner were ignored... then the forum started crashing, especially on monday nights... attemots to contact the owner were ignored... then amazingly someone did get ahold of him, and he posted in a thread about the problems... and all he had to say in a sarcastic tone... " sorry i don't have time for my 18th website"

it was obvious he did not care about this site and/or the people who posted on it, so we moved to preserve the posting group that had been built up for over 4 years... luckily right before the WZ crashed 2 weeks later, and was down for 2 whole months...

Once the hits to the site stopped Brian finally decided to take notice. I am not aware of the content of any messages that he and JP had over aim but I do know that JP has been a columns contributor for years so Brian chose him to speak with and admin. . It's true that I was heavily involved (along with dozens of others) of being hypocritical and basically spamming up the place to make them aware of B Q a year ago, but as stated, it wasn't becuase we were trying to be one of another hundred (maybe thousands) or so forums started per year, rather a place where the WZ faithful could still post without the b.s. Brian finally realized this and since I was the one left, (at that point back to my normal role to help rebuild things) I was the natural scapegoat, regardless of how many other were involved. To this day I still am for the most part, accused of banning people I never banned amongst other things. It's strange how so many people beg to be mods without having a single clue how much bullshit it involves.

The only conversation I've ever had with Brian via aim was me introducting myself a couple of years back when i first became admin and thanking him for the opportunity. All other attempts to reach him were completely ignored. Aloe (B Q's owner) managed to reach him once and he agreed that since he wouldn't give me the ip banning option that he'd accept a periodical list of those who deserved it and ip them.) His side of that never happened.

In Brian's defense, he does have many more important obligations to worry about which I understand. I'm not sure specifically what they are, nor do I need to, but they do exist. People own buildings, businesses, etc and rarely attend to them cause others do that job and a website is no different. Unfortuantely he was an owner that was not accessible. Aloe was and is/ hence the existence of the other place. Fortuantely things are starting to get decent enough now that Brian doesn't need to be accessible here as often.

So to sum up that novel, Jp is admin because Brian chose to talk to him. He never chose to talk to me. Maybe it's cause others bugged the shit out of him and therefore he couldn't differentiate my aim name from there's. If that's the case then I understand. What I don't understand is why he never once bothered using the pm option to reach me, knowing that I was admin. I asked him about that recently but then he dissapeared from here again.

 

[Banned Dysturbed]

Don't you think atleast 2 Admins should of been put in place, since JP doesn't come around regularly?

As explained above, it doesn't matter what I think.

I know you trusted him as Admin and I would trust him too

So did most people. I had my share of hate threads in the past but just about every single time the posters that had a problem with me for closing a thread or whatever ended up having a problem with everything as a whole, so their disdain towards me was beyond me, with me being the target since I was t he one on the most (due to admittedly having no life at the time due to being jobless, helping out my mom after my dad passed away, etc). Others have legit reasons to dislike me cause not everyone will like everyone. Regardless I've had contact with JP and he's a cool guy, but that doesn't mean anything in regards to me ever being admin again cause that decision lies in the hands of a man who not only is never on (Brian) but isn't too fond of me, in some cases with good reason, in others because he won't take responsibility for his letting the server crash or his letting me lack the option to ip ban people and therefore watching them return literally 40-50 times destroying the place. Somehow that's my fault, but that's life.

I think it would be better to have the WZ Prison back, but I also want to see you put someone in there for old times sake.

Not likely man.



To sum up everything, the prison coming back is unlikely. The prison coming back with me helping put people in is more unlikely. Shit happens and life goes on. I'd like to make it perfectly clear that I'm not bitter rather explaining why your idea is just not feasible anymore.

 

[DxFreak]

Hmm, Does anyone know when there will be another "Lottery Draft"

 

[AussieHobo]

So for a WZ Prison the admin must controll it? Or could a SM or M take controll of it and take care of the prison if it was created?

 

[Banned Dysturbed]

Anyone made a mod of the forum can mod there, closing threads and what not but only someone with access to the admin panel has the ability to actually put someone in there as an "imnate" and to make it so those inmates can see no other forums Over at the other place it's a usergroup that we give the person, which in return blocks them from seeing any forum but what's called alcatraz over there. Therefore, if they want to post that's the only place they can post. If they're caught signing up when in there they're ip banned.

With the program over here I always had to go into the admin panel, type in a posters name, go to "edit access" and make sure that only the prison was checked. Again the poster could only see the prison here. I also had to add them to the inmate usergroup which is the only usergroup (other than mods) that allowed people to actually post in there.

Either way it would be on JP to control it and that's just not feasible cause if we were to tell him to put someone in it could take awhile, therefore defeating the purpose. We're aware of that, hence banning certain posters rather than giving them the chance to "rehabilitate" in a now nonexistant forum.

There is also a second reason why it's not a feasible option. Over at the other place, due to it being a somewhat more complicated program, we allow any regular poster to interract with the inmates (only the regular posters and mods of course see the other forums still. If they abuse that privelege they lose the ability to even see alcatraz.

Over here if we allowed everyone to see it, would be total chaos to let absolutely everyone be able to post in there Therefore the best bet would be for only certain, proven posters to get access to alcatraz like we used to do at WZ, which would again invole JP entering the admin panel and having to add them to the proper usergroup. Imagine how many pm's he, myself, or other mods will get about requesting people to be put in there or requesting themselves to post in there. It's too much of a hassle.

Sorry if that's confusing. To sum it up it would all be on JP to make it work and that's too much for him to have to worry about.

 

[AussieHobo]

Ah... I see, It still is a great idea and It would be good to have it happen here once again, if only it was possible.

 

[kapp]

It's strange how so many people beg to be mods without having a single clue how much bullshit it involves.

I know what you mean. Also without the IP-Ban option on the the Admin panel didn't make your job any easier when people would keep coming even if you banned them. I know that can cause alot of stress.

A few years ago I had the opportunity of being an Admin on a Computer/Technology related website that a friend owned and we used vBulletin for the Forums. There was a maximum of 10,000 members before it closed down, and it was pretty hard job even with 10,000, but I had every option on vBulletin for Admins. The whole website was based around vBulletin near the end of the website and it became harder, but we all managed to make it a good place, the owner just didn't want to pay for the domain and hosting anymore. I know you had a pretty hard time with 50,000 - 60,000 without the IP-Ban option, but you kept WZ very well regardless.

Regardless I've had contact with JP and he's a cool guy, but that doesn't mean anything in regards to me ever being admin again cause that decision lies in the hands of a man who not only is never on (Brian) but isn't too fond of me, in some cases with good reason, in others because he won't take responsibility for his letting the server crash or his letting me lack the option to ip ban people and therefore watching them return literally 40-50 times destroying the place. Somehow that's my fault, but that's life.

I do remember there was many situations regarding Brian and him not doing what he said he was going to do. I don't remember everything in detail, but I remember some of the Admins who abused there power, thus ruining it for future Admins. Pretty much alot of these "WZ situations" seem or seemed soap opera noteable or could be considered for a soap opera series on tv mainly due to Brian.

So, if Brian ever contacted you in the future about becoming an Admin again would you take the job? Or would you think its too much of a hassle?

 

[Banned Dysturbed]

I know what you mean. Also without the IP-Ban option on the the Admin panel didn't make your job any easier when people would keep coming even if you banned them. I know that can cause alot of stress.

Not only was that an issue but the supermod panel, which did have full access, didn't work for several months meaning that nobody could do anything but me, and that wasn't even with my own account. I had to use Protoman's old admin account in order to do the limited admin stuff that I could do. My account was set up like a supermod's account, despite me being in the admin usergroup.

. I know you had a pretty hard time with 50,000 - 60,000 without the IP-Ban option,

I'd estimate that way over 3/4 of that number involved posters that either had zero posts or weres gone or banned. However there were still hundreds of active posters.

but you kept WZ very well regardless.

Thank you.

I remember some of the Admins who abused there power, thus ruining it for future Admins. .

Yeah some of the admins deleted everything and caused all sorts of problems. While I understand him being wary of giving an admin full access, I don't think that he ever considered that supermods could have done almost the exact same thing. They could have deleted every thread and banned as many posters as they wanted to. So no matter what there was and always will be a risk. However, the fact that such a thing didn't happen shows that we had a good mod/admin staff. There was actually a time after a wrestlemania when months of stuff was somehow wiped out when Proto was admin so we lost a lot. We'd have recovered most of it but Brian hadn't backed up the site in months.

The thing is that he never read that thread where 80 or more posters (i forget the count) stated reasons why they supported me, even if they had disagreements with me in the past. He was pm'd with the thread, im'd with it, etc. but never read it to anyone's knowledge, and certainly never acknolwedged it. He didn't probably even know a single thing that I did for the place or any of the mods over the last couple of years. All he knew was that I was admin at the time that everyone left because of things that he never took resopnsibility for. Therefore I'm the scapegoat.

So, if Brian ever contacted you in the future about becoming an Admin again would you take the job? Or would you think its too much of a hassle?

If offered I might say yes but I wouldn't be able to do as much as I did in the past. I don't even have as much time for ** as I should and that' s more of a priority for me than this place, for many reasons.

 

[kapp]

Yeah some of the admins deleted everything and caused all sorts of problems.

I remember when "Reo Speeddealer" gave other users Admin power like "NeoBono" and "Razzamattat" and Reo deleted many accounts and they ended up taking the forum down I think around July or August of 2002. I know there was others, but I do recall that incident.

Also remember some of these people "Monty FN Sopp", "Blast", "Rob Van Dam", "Sexy Rexy" etc... would always flame everyone or would keep spamming on the forum. I'm pretty sure "Rob Van Dam" was the first one banned for flaming everyone, I could be wrong though.

I some what remember the Winkle Gate Chat Room on AIM.

It amazes me how many times WZ Forum was taken down in the 5 last years and Brian never much to improve it. I know some other people at times helped him put it back up and everyone appreciates everyone who helped keep WZ alive over the years in doing big things or little things here and there. I think he should of kept the forums secure, atleast it would of been a harder time to try and do anything (if someone tried to do something).

 

[grungy72]

Also remember some of these people "Monty FN Sopp", "Blast", "Rob Van Dam", "Sexy Rexy" etc

LOL i remember all of them hahah, Back in the days lol, Ahhhhh where did the times go

 

[The Poster]

Also remember some of these people "Monty FN Sopp", "Blast", "Rob Van Dam", "Sexy Rexy" etc... would always flame everyone or would keep spamming on the forum. I'm pretty sure "Rob Van Dam" was the first one banned for flaming everyone, I could be wrong though.

I

yeah, that rob van dam guy was pretty much the best thing to ever happen to this place.

i heard he has a HUGE schlong, too.

 

[grungy72]

LOL, So you like people with large schlongs do you

 

[Mr.3Dman]

I got in a fight with a idiot the other day. But I came back

I Will Stand My Ground

Do that and you won't get bashed buddy

 

[grungy72]

i deliberatly seek out to character assassinate people lol

 

[Advocate]

I remember when "Reo Speeddealer" gave other users Admin power like "NeoBono" and "Razzamattat" and Reo deleted many accounts and they ended up taking the forum down I think around July or August of 2002. I know there was others, but I do recall that incident.

Also remember some of these people "Monty FN Sopp", "Blast", "Rob Van Dam", "Sexy Rexy" etc... would always flame everyone or would keep spamming on the forum. I'm pretty sure "Rob Van Dam" was the first one banned for flaming everyone, I could be wrong though.

I some what remember the Winkle Gate Chat Room on AIM.

It amazes me how many times WZ Forum was taken down in the 5 last years and Brian never much to improve it. I know some other people at times helped him put it back up and everyone appreciates everyone who helped keep WZ alive over the years in doing big things or little things here and there. I think he should of kept the forums secure, atleast it would of been a harder time to try and do anything (if someone tried to do something).

This is one reason why other forums got created. People have people that they like to talk to, debate with, and keep up with on the forums. Like last year WZForums went down for two months before Brian even noticed. Good thing no one posted here anymore, but what do you do when you have people you want to debate with?

 

[grungy72]

Why do you always seek out some sort of promotion of other forums, IMO your here to post then do so, Dont make this place out to be all bad cause it isnt

 

[Advocate]

Kapp was making a point and I added to it. All I said is some people created forums to keep in touch with their friends, and they reasons why they felt that they needed to do that.

 

[grungy72]

Its called MSN

 

[Advocate]

No offense to Kapp, but I do not want Kapp on MSN.

I want Kapp on discussion forums such as this.

 

[grungy72]

So ur trying to say you dont like kapp, Cause if you are i dont really blame you lol

 

[Banned Dysturbed]

Its called MSN

You're not getting what he's saying. He's saying that forums are a community and that ** was created to let that comminuty continue since this site was going haywire. MSN or any messenger isn't going to offer the same thing. Do you honestly expect people to start chat rooms and have use it as the same kind of place for a wrestling debate like they do here? Think about that one.

 

[grungy72]

Oh come on man i know that, We both know im just causing trouble lol, But can we just keep that between you and me
But i still seriously dont get it, This site is no longer well in my eyes haywire as you say (And yes i know in your eyes it probably is) Maybe i just dont understand what ** is fully. Sorry But causing trouble and being annoying is fun lol

 

[kapp]

This is one reason why other forums got created. People have people that they like to talk to, debate with, and keep up with on the forums. Like last year WZForums went down for two months before Brian even noticed. Good thing no one posted here anymore, but what do you do when you have people you want to debate with?

That's the only logical thing you can do is either create another forum or join a different forum, but by joining another forum there is the potential that it wouldn't be as good as the previous one that you were on, because many people claim that they like to debate, but in fact they don't. Some tend to "flame" people causing no purpose in debating on that certain topic. There's other aspects in joining other forums that you have to consider, but you get the point.

Creating forums is always a good idea, but it doesn't mean that forum would be successful. You'd probably have to have a core of people from the previous forum that you were on to have a some what successful forum going, unless maybe you had a website as part of your forum and your website got alot of traffic, but it still wouldn't mean the forum you created would be good, because not all forums out there have great threads to debate with people. Keeping in contact with people on previous forums is also good thing which ** did and has been very successful forum in doing so.

You could also wait out the time period which a forum was down, but that wouldn't accomplish anything, because you never know if a forum would ever return. You could also be doing betters things on other forums instead of waiting for a forum to be put back up.

Why do you always seek out some sort of promotion of other forums, IMO your here to post then do so, Dont make this place out to be all bad cause it isnt

We were talking about previous years of WZ over time. No one stated anything bad about WZ since the forum was put back up again. I'll admit WZ has improved greatly since the forum was put back up. In the beginning alot of people were spamming, advertising, etc... but it only happens on occassions now and goes along with having a forum. Some people just like to abuse rules of a certain forum, because they think they can and get away with or just to draw attention to themselves. I don't have anything bad to say about WZ and recently has been a pretty good forum to come to.

So ur trying to say you dont like kapp, Cause if you are i dont really blame you lol

You don't have to like me and everyone else has the right not to like me. Not everyone is going to like everyone and that comes along with joining a forum, with using the Internet, and even life itself.