Gail Kim Says She'd Like to Finish Her Career in TNA; Will Never Go Back to WWE

[JJYanks121]

I dont get people like you. You're just not willing to accept that WWE can make mistakes and does wrong by people. Gail Kim was one of the five best in the WWE. Gail Melina Natalya Beth and Tamina (who is the daughter of a hall of famer).

People like me? You might want to backtrack right away, because I think you start typing this thinking I'm one of those guys that come into the TNA forums simply to bash everything they do. Think again. And as far as one of the five best...........HAHAHAHAH. In order to be one of the 5 best today, you might want to give a shit when you are out there. Riding some fallacy of a reputation from 2004 doesn't make you one of the best. If you want me to give my opinion on who the top 5 in the WWE are today, I'll do that. In no particular order: Eve, Natalya, Beth, Maryse (when healthy), and AJ. That's in terms of wrestling ability and obviously Kharma (Kong) is on the list when not knocked up.

They fired melina for talking shit about trish.

Melina got let go after years of doing stupid things backstage. The WWE is like anything else. No matter how talented you might be (and Melina is quite talented and I enjoyed her work when she was motivated), you have to combine talent with work ethic and proper behavior. She neglected the second part and it probably was worth her job. Your argument goes south when you say things like "1 thing cost someone their job". That's never the case. It's not grounds for termination. However, if that one act falls into a pattern of habitual behavior, it can often be a "last straw" or just a sign that behavior will not improve and THAT is why people get fired.

Tamina got a decent run managing the Usos then she goes goo goo eyed over SANTINO !!!!!! REALLY WTF.

I'll leave this one in the "not sure" pile. While I'm not fond of the "every diva has to love Santino" idea, I can't judge Tamina and be like "they are wasting this uber-talented chick. I haven't seen enough of her to know if she's all that good or not. Other than her weird face, nothing has stood out about her yet. If she ever does something exciting, then maybe she'll get a run. She'd have to be a heel, but would you honestly want her as top heel over Beth or Natalya? I wouldn't.

Natalya and Beth are getting decent runs but still get outed by girls like Kelly Kelly and Eve (who i think is halfway decent).

If you are top heels, there is going to be a babyface foil. Heels don't stay on top forever. That said, if you are on TV every week as a Diva, things are going ok. Beth has the title for now so at this moment, things are good for her. I don't love how the story has gone down but at least she has the title in her hands.

And then Gail quits with a final f*ck you to the WWE by eliminating herself.

Not a smart move as I said before and more like a "hey, remember me? I'm the chick who did nothing since you rehired me!" I think the difference in our opinion is that you think she deserved to get pushed because her name is Gail Kim and she was considered "good" at one point. She never was, but since at one point that was considered, she should be pushed automatically despite a poor workrate (something you can see by watching her matches since she came back) and poor attitude (evident in her matches and obvious by how she left).

Now Gail Kim is one of those who has a build like the bimbos minus the boob size and at the same time wrestles pretty well. She can pull off a match with Kong.

Matches were Kong were fine. Most of that was the awe of Kong who is so different as a talent. As for your other sentence, Gail, like most Divas and Knockouts, has fake breasts of the D cup variety. Not sure where you are seeing small boobs but look again.

The thing is once WWE turned PG WWE had to avoid the things they hired their divas to do. Dance, strip and play eye candy for the crowd. And they did that pretty well.

Since Sable, Divas have been and always will be eye candy. The majority of wrestling fans are male and no matter what "workrate" a female has, it's mostly about being eye candy. For TNA first and now WWE, Kia Stevens will play counterpoint, but for everyone else, it's about looking good. The "PG" thing changed nothing. Have you seen what Kelly wears? The only thing "PG" changed was women went from wearing thongs to booty shorts. OH NO! Now I'll have to search the internet for 5 seconds to find chicks in thongs!

TNA has hot knockouts, that while looking hot can wrestle as well. Angelina Love, Brooke, Madison Rayne, Victoria, ODB, Rosita, Sarita, Mickie James etc. These women can combine wrestling with looks which WWE can no longer do.

They still do. And this argument is kind of dumb because no matter how many workers we compare, women's wrestling is a minor part of a wrestling show that doesn't sell. Yes, TNA puts more time into the storylines of their women and I give them credit for that, but that doesn't mean that any more people care. That said, I'd say the talent level is about even as far as Divas and Knockouts go. A few good ones and a bunch of meh.

Gail will be better in TNA and Id rather see her in TNA than WWE. Not because I dont want to see her but because I want to see her do something worth her talent.

So let her go to TNA. I don't see a place for her there, nor do I see talent in her, but if they want to sign an old friend, go ahead. She'll never be all that good, but if they can get like 1 decent match out of her, that's fine. Honestly, I'd rather see TNA sign Melina who has some actual talent despite the baggage.

And dont give me that she didnt fight for her rights because not everyone can make an Internet show and become the top guy. Sometimes the management has to look at the talent they have and work with them rather than the talent they dont have and try to get them.

And sometimes "talent" have to look at themselves, realize they aren't good, and bust their ass to get better. I'm not asking for "the Gail Kim show". I'm asking for Gail Kim to show up and not suck when she is given matches. If she did that, she might have been pushed, but she didn't. She was lousy, sloppy, and as a result didn't get pushed. If she does get signed by TNA, I hope for her safe and for safety's sake that she has a little more motivation. If she works the way she did in WWE, I promise you'll be complaining about her in no time.

 

[GrandSword]

I'm a huge Gail Kim mark and would love to see her in TNA again. She is one of the best female wrestlers of the modern era and wasn't really used in WWE and I thought she only was offered a deal to sabotage TNA's KO Div

 

[harrythem]

Considering WWE is trying to break into different international markets I'm still shocked they didn't play up the Korean side of Gail Kim.

Honestly, not really sure where she'd fit into TNA at the moment. She'd be a good addition to the Knockouts as she can have an alright match but, like most women wrestlers (in America) there's not a lot of talent behind a mike.

Yeah she wasn't used by WWE (although she did have a few good matches on Superstars) but, she still joins Matt Hardy in the "Stupidly burning bridges" brigade. Yes, she was unhappy, yes she wanted to leave and her contract was up in September so, instead of going through the proper channels and quitting she, by her own words, tells Johnny Ace she's going 10 minutes before going live on Raw, then rolls out of the ring...Whatever she thinks of management that, to me, is rather disrespectful to the other Divas.

TNA'll probably have her back but I can see them being wary of her now (with good reason).

I'd still take Melina before Kim though, her evil bitch promos could be really interested (as could that "shoot" feud with Mickie!)

 

[Rayne]

Gail Kim wants to finish her career in TNA/IW? There's a shock. The #1 company doesn't want to do anything with you, so you cut an interview and frame the issue as if you had a choice of where to retire. Like Kurt Angle, except without the pills, the DUI's, and the wrestling talent.

The only thing TNA/IW would gain by hiring Gail Kim is that they would get someone back whom the WWE gave exposure to, which isn't entirely irrelevant. But looking at these boards, you'd think she descended from the clouds to show people how to work a women's division. She's a middle-of-the-pack female wrestler who happened to be in the right place at the right time several years ago when TNA wanted to promote Awesome Kong. Every once in a while, women's wrestling gets interesting for a couple of months, and Gail Kim happened to be the only WWE-connected Knockout they had at the time. (People love to attack you if you bring up a performer's WWE roots as any kind of positive, but character familiarity is an easy sell.)

Gail Kim doesn't bring anything to TNA/IW that they don't already have. Sign her for the fact that people are familiar with her, but let's not bullshit each other and pretend that she's some alpha female wrestling talent.

 

[GrandSword]

Meh, I think she's a great wrestler and a great athlete. Her and Melina on Superstars had a great match a few months ago and really showed what both of them could do in the ring.

Gail is great as the bluechipper/Cena type character and the top face of the KO Div suits her big time. I was pissed off when she left the promotion, and KOs haven't been the same since she left.

Oh and she is friggin hot too...

 

[MisterRob]

Gail Kim is a mediocre female wrestler that for some reason won the hearts and minds of the internet fans and from there was built to be this legend of female wrestling. But she botches like crazy, she doesn't stand out, and she can't put on a match any better than any other diva.

And let's not forget that she was only a few months removed from her feud with the Bella twins at that point in time. Sure, it was a shit storyline that cost all parties involved quite a bit of dignity, but she was wrestling on a regular basis, and she was getting on TV. Meanwhile, girls like Rosa Mendez and Tamina were rarely getting any TV time and Alicia Fox was in continual job mode. Her situation was not ideal, but it was a heck of a lot better than some other girls'.

My favorite part of the article...



Oh yeah? Says who? I didn't realize a veteran performer would be able to save the black whole of quality that is the Knockouts division. She'll just be adding mediocrity to that pile of crap. The only plus is now her and Scott Steiner can have that botch match we've all been dreaming about.

She's mediocre compared to who? She's better then the entire WWE female roster besides perhaps Beth Phoenix and Natalya. She's better then the entire Knockouts division besides perhaps Mickie James.

Gail Kim is the reason the Knockouts division got off its feet in TNA to begin with. She and Awesome Kong, their feud, is the sole reason the Knockouts were the highest rated portions of Impact the entire time they were in the company. They, female wrestlers, main evented the Impact show. What other female match, in any company, can claim that? So to call her mediocre just makes you look like a fool. I guess TNA's entire roster is less then mediocre, then.

Gail Kim, when actually used and booked properly can be an asset to any female division in wrestling. The WWE didn't do either.

 

[JGlass]

She's mediocre compared to who? She's better then the entire WWE female roster besides perhaps Beth Phoenix and Natalya. She's better then the entire Knockouts division besides perhaps Mickie James.

Compared to just about any female wrestler. Let alone Natty and Beth, just about any diva on the WWE roster, save maybe Kelly Kelly and Kaitlyn, is better than Gail. Most of the TNA roster is better than Gail as well. She's terribly overrated and botches like crazy. It's bad enough that we have to watch women's wrestling, the least they can do it give us matches where people don't botch every other move.

Gail Kim is the reason the Knockouts division got off its feet in TNA to begin with. She and Awesome Kong, their feud, is the sole reason the Knockouts were the highest rated portions of Impact the entire time they were in the company.

I guarantee you that wasn't the case. First of all, I'd like to see where you're getting that statistic from, because I doubt it's validity. If it is truthful, though, it's not because people were wowed by Gail Kim vs. Awesome Kong, it's because Spike has always been a guy's network and people stopped flipping through the channels when they saw a hot Asian chick fighting this big scary black chick.

They, female wrestlers, main evented the Impact show. What other female match, in any company, can claim that? So to call her mediocre just makes you look like a fool. I guess TNA's entire roster is less then mediocre, then.

Great Khali has been in a main event too, does that make him a good wrestler? Your argument is invalid.

 

[harrythem]

They, female wrestlers, main evented the Impact show. What other female match, in any company, can claim that?

Trish Stratus Vs Lita, for the WWF Womens Title, headlined Raw 6th December 2004 and the match was fucking dire..Yet they still main evented before Gail Kim ever did...

Just saying

 

[Jack-Hammer]

Gail Kim sort of reminds me of Tommy Dreamer in the way that she's handling her departure from WWE. Like Dreamer, Kim sort of goes on about how unhappy she was in WWE with all that went on, but was still more than happy to stay around for a long time cashing in those big pay checks. The reason Gail Kim left TNA to go back to WWE was for money, plain and simple. Not a thing in the world wrong with that. Now that she's, almost certainly, in a much healthier financial state, she decides she wants out. Again, nothing wrong with that. What irks me is that, again like Dreamer, she talks a lot of trash about WWE. She obviously didn't dislike WWE enough that she didn't take as much of money from them as possible.

I dunno, I just think it's another example of ultimately how little respect modern wrestlers seem to have for the business at times. It's also hard for me to sympathize with Gail Kim because, as I aluded to earlier, she knew what she was doing and why she was doing it. But, of course, since WWE is the big bad corporation, it makes it alright to get fat from suckling on it's golden teets then run it down.

As far as Gail Kim & TNA goes, it won't surprise me to see her come back to TNA. Gail Kim is a talented wrestler inside the ring, I've enjoyed many of her matches. The problem is, however, that women's wrestling is no longer anymore relevant in TNA than it has been in WWE. The Knockout Division isn't nearly on the same level it was when Kim was there during its glory days. Her problem has never been her ability inside the ring, it's the fact that she's just another bland pretty face. Like most female wrestlers in TNA or WWE, she gets by mostly on how she looks in a skimpy outfit. It certainly hasn't been charisma or her ability to connect with people during promo segments.

I also find it laughable that all of these "such-n-such is so great" threads whenever a wrestler leaves WWE and all this talk of heading to TNA comes up. The next thing you know, someone will be calling John Morrison the guy that's going to take TNA to the next level in spite of calling him a wretched bore to listen to when he was in WWE.

 

[MisterRob]

Compared to just about any female wrestler. Let alone Natty and Beth, just about any diva on the WWE roster, save maybe Kelly Kelly and Kaitlyn, is better than Gail. Most of the TNA roster is better than Gail as well. She's terribly overrated and botches like crazy. It's bad enough that we have to watch women's wrestling, the least they can do it give us matches where people don't botch every other move.

You're out of your mind. Please watch any of these matches and point out all these "botches" Gail Kim performs. Not to mention deny how good the first match is and how into it the crowd is, specifically.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNqd9O27uQg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pv6zBKE60m8&feature=related

Those are matches with other competent wrestlers as her opponents.

You seem to be transfering other people's botches onto Gail Kim. WWE's divas division is filled with green females who can't wrestle worth shit, and its not Gail's fault if a move that is dependant on the other person carrying the weight and performing her side of the move correctly is fucked up by that other person and the botch occurs.

If wrestler A is giving wrestler B a powerbomb and its botched, whose fault is it? Nice try. Don't blame the inexperience of the wrestlers she's in the ring with on her, because she can outperform all of them.

I guarantee you that wasn't the case. First of all, I'd like to see where you're getting that statistic from, because I doubt it's validity. If it is truthful, though, it's not because people were wowed by Gail Kim vs. Awesome Kong, it's because Spike has always been a guy's network and people stopped flipping through the channels when they saw a hot Asian chick fighting this big scary black chick.

You can guarantee all you want, it doesn't make you any less WRONG. And you even validate it yourself in your post. Who gives a shit if people stop flipping and watch the match because a hot Asian chick is fighting a big scary black chick.. the only thing that matters is the fact they STOP and WATCH. And that's entirely because of whose in the ring: Gail Kim.

Great Khali has been in a main event too, does that make him a good wrestler? Your argument is invalid.

This is one of the worst arguments I've seen in a long time. Men are always main eventing television. Great Khali was a World champion and main eventer AT THE TIME, so of course he'd be main eventing some shows. How often do the Divas or the Knockouts main event a television show? Or anything else for that matter. So rarely its almost never. So please explain to me how and why Gail Kim vs. Awesome Kong would be given the main event slot on a show? Because they're drawing. Because people want to see them.

Thank you very much for proving my point.

 

[JGlass]

You're out of your mind. Please watch any of these matches and point out all these "botches" Gail Kim performs. Not to mention deny how good the first match is and how into it the crowd is, specifically.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNqd9O27uQg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pv6zBKE60m8&feature=related

Both of those matches were awful. I wish there was a way to recover the period of my life lost watching those matches, and it saddens me that there's no way to get it back. Gail Kim looks sloppy in both matches, missing strikes, half-assing spots, and just looking generally crumby in the ring.

Those are matches with other competent wrestlers as her opponents.

Damn, it's a shame she wasn't wrestling a competent opponent when this happened...

[YOUTUBE]xZneT96XaDM[/YOUTUBE]

She's a hazard to herself and others in the ring, one of the worst possible qualities a wrestler can have.

You seem to be transfering other people's botches onto Gail Kim. WWE's divas division is filled with green females who can't wrestle worth shit, and its not Gail's fault if a move that is dependant on the other person carrying the weight and performing her side of the move correctly is fucked up by that other person and the botch occurs.

It's ironic because the botch I just showed you does EXACTLY THAT.

If wrestler A is giving wrestler B a powerbomb and its botched, whose fault is it? Nice try. Don't blame the inexperience of the wrestlers she's in the ring with on her, because she can outperform all of them.

Clearly she cannot. Your religious-like zeal for Gail Kim has clouded your vision of what a lousy wrestler she really is.

You can guarantee all you want, it doesn't make you any less WRONG. And you even validate it yourself in your post. Who gives a shit if people stop flipping and watch the match because a hot Asian chick is fighting a big scary black chick.. the only thing that matters is the fact they STOP and WATCH. And that's entirely because of whose in the ring: Gail Kim.

Because a WWE diva's match thrown randomly into the card is still going to outdraw a Knockouts match every time, no matter who is in it. They're not stopping to watch because of Gail Kim, they're stopping to watch because of BOOBS! Surely, you cannot be that dense.

This is one of the worst arguments I've seen in a long time. Men are always main eventing television. Great Khali was a World champion and main eventer AT THE TIME, so of course he'd be main eventing some shows. How often do the Divas or the Knockouts main event a television show? Or anything else for that matter. So rarely its almost never. So please explain to me how and why Gail Kim vs. Awesome Kong would be given the main event slot on a show? Because they're drawing. Because people want to see them.

It's not an argument... it's proof that the fact that Gail Kim has main evented does not mean she's talented by any stretch of the imagination. You can be absolute shit in the ring and be in the main event. Examples include Khali, Bully Ray, and Gail Kim.

 

[MisterRob]

Both of those matches were awful. I wish there was a way to recover the period of my life lost watching those matches, and it saddens me that there's no way to get it back. Gail Kim looks sloppy in both matches, missing strikes, half-assing spots, and just looking generally crumby in the ring.

You either clearly didn't watch either of those matches, or you have absolutely no idea what a good and bad wrestling match is. I'm going to go with the latter.

Damn, it's a shame she wasn't wrestling a competent opponent when this happened...

[YOUTUBE]xZneT96XaDM[/YOUTUBE]

She's a hazard to herself and others in the ring, one of the worst possible qualities a wrestler can have.

Yeah, next you'll be showing me a clip of the Undertaker vs. Shawn Michaels Wrestlemania match where Undertaker hurts himself doing the suicide dive over the ropes and telling me Undertaker is a hazard to himself and others in the ring. He's a terrible wrestler!

Clearly she cannot. Your religious-like zeal for Gail Kim has clouded your vision of what a lousy wrestler she really is.

Not likely, no.

Because a WWE diva's match thrown randomly into the card is still going to outdraw a Knockouts match every time, no matter who is in it. They're not stopping to watch because of Gail Kim, they're stopping to watch because of BOOBS! Surely, you cannot be that dense.

Make sense! WWE diva's matches are never in the main event and they have lots of boobs and asses. The TNA Knockouts have lots of boobs and asses, too... Velvet Sky, among others have far more boobs and body that are more appealing to men then Gail Kim or Awesome Kong. So why are they never the main event of Impact? Why are none of those Knockouts, any of them, ever given the same spot?

Thank you again for proving me right.
And like your view of wrestling matches I also question your view of women when you feel men are stopping to watch Gail Kim versus AWESOME KONG because of the boobs and attractiveness of the two involved.

It's not an argument... it's proof that the fact that Gail Kim has main evented does not mean she's talented by any stretch of the imagination. You can be absolute shit in the ring and be in the main event. Examples include Khali, Bully Ray, and Gail Kim.

Untrue. I've already disproven this by the fact that no other TNA Knockouts have ever main evented Impact before. Nor has any WWE Diva's, besides Trish and Lita (who I may add are two great female wrestlers who both could draw and were extremely over during their time), ever main evented a WWE show. You really have no valid argument or explanation for the clear reasoning behind why Kim/Kong did besides spewing, "Nope, she's still shit in the ring because I said so". You fail.

 

[JGlass]

You either clearly didn't watch either of those matches, or you have absolutely no idea what a good and bad wrestling match is. I'm going to go with the latter.

Oh no, I did watch those matches, and I do know what a good wrestling match is, and those weren't it. Sorry, just because two women wrestle more than 5 minutes doesn't mean it's a great match.

Yeah, next you'll be showing me a clip of the Undertaker vs. Shawn Michaels Wrestlemania match where Undertaker hurts himself doing the suicide dive over the ropes and telling me Undertaker is a hazard to himself and others in the ring. He's a terrible wrestler!

The difference is not only did Taker finish the match, but Shawn Michaels was never in jeopardy.

Make sense! WWE diva's matches are never in the main event and they have lots of boobs and asses. The TNA Knockouts have lots of boobs and asses, too... Velvet Sky, among others have far more boobs and body that are more appealing to men then Gail Kim or Awesome Kong. So why are they never the main event of Impact? Why are none of those Knockouts, any of them, ever given the same spot?

Because TNA has gotten to the point where they know putting big names in the main event like Anderson, Hardy, and Sting will draw more than any Knockout. Basically, they've become a real wrestling company.

You still haven't shown any statistics of them outdrawing men though.

Thank you again for proving me right.

You keep saying this, but the only thing I may have proven of you is that you have terrible spelling and grammar skills, and a Gail Kim bias that rivals that have Slyfox's John Cena bias. The only difference is John Cena is a phenomenal wrestler, and Gail Kim is a bottom of the barrel woman wrestler.

And like your view of wrestling matches I also question your view of women when you feel men are stopping to watch Gail Kim versus AWESOME KONG because of the boobs and attractiveness of the two involved.

Uh, because it's women fighting? It doesn't matter if one of them is big black and ugly, as long as one of them is hot, guys will watch.

And what's your theory for why Gail Kim and Kong allegedly outdrew the men? Were people standing around the water cooler talking about Gail Kim and Awesome Kong's last match? Or did TNA's ratings go from a .08 to a .085?

Untrue. I've already disproven this by the fact that no other TNA Knockouts have ever main evented Impact before.

Except that could be easily explained by the fact that Kong and Gail Kim had no business main eventing Impact.

Nor has any WWE Diva's, besides Trish and Lita (who I may add are two great female wrestlers who both could draw and were extremely over during their time), ever main evented a WWE show.

Because the WWE has always had male wrestlers that would draw more than female wrestlers...

Stewie, help me out here.

You really have no valid argument or explanation for the clear reasoning behind why Kim/Kong did besides spewing, "Nope, she's still shit in the ring because I said so". You fail.

Not because I say so... because EVERYONE who knows ANYTHING says so. She's widely regarded as one of the botchiest performers in all of wrestling and shows it in the ring constantly. She doesn't commit to her moves or the moves of her opponent and it comes off making everything seem soft and unrealistic.

This isn't just my opinion either, this is one that is held by many of this forum's top members...

http://forums.wrestlezone.com/showthread.php?t=118336

So yeah, mull that one over for a while and realize that anyone with an eye for wrestling sees Gail Kim for what she is, a botch machine that knows nothing about putting on a good match.

 

[FitFinlay4Life]

I think with Gail, it was a case of job satisfaction versus job security.

In TNA she was over as a heel when she performed as the valet for JJ & AMW and then she was also incredibly popular as the head face in the Knockouts. TNA refused to pay her a decent amount and she accepted to go back to the WWe, who didn't like that TNA was receiving better critical reception for their women's division than his was getting. However, this was just a spoiler tactic and she was never really anything other than a background character (possibly because of her age). If TNA was capable of getting her over, surely the global leader could?

I'd love to see her back but don't know if it'll happen. Serena and Melina haven't materialized as yet and they are better known among casual wrestling fans. I'd like to see an originals (Angelina, Velvet, Madison, ODB, Rosita, Sarita, Brooke, Toxine) / ex-WWe (Mickie, Tara, Jackie, Winter, bring in Melina and Serena) Knockouts feud and Gail could fit a nice questionable position (as she's both an original and ex-WWe).

 

[MisterRob]

Oh no, I did watch those matches, and I do know what a good wrestling match is, and those weren't it. Sorry, just because two women wrestle more than 5 minutes doesn't mean it's a great match.

Oh, I agree. I'm pretty sure a good wrestling match is all about the performance in the ring, the story that's told, and certainly the entertainment value the crowd/audience gets from it. And by those standards both of those matches were great. So no, I don't believe you do know what makes a good wrestling match.

The difference is not only did Taker finish the match, but Shawn Michaels was never in jeopardy.

Are you for real? No, you definitely can't be.

Because TNA has gotten to the point where they know putting big names in the main event like Anderson, Hardy, and Sting will draw more than any Knockout. Basically, they've become a real wrestling company.

What in the hell does that have to do with the fact TNA DID put the Knockouts in the main event. And the Knockouts, at the time, were drawing the highest ratings of the program. And Gail Kim was the face of the Knockouts division at that time. How can you not grasp this? This is pretty straight forward.

You still haven't shown any statistics of them outdrawing men though.

Because that would take effort. I don't care enough about this argument with you to go find what is common knowledge. It's not like this is NEW. It's not like most people who are aware of TNA's history don't know the Knockouts were drawing during that time. Just because you were either hiding under a rock or too young to watch tv doesn't mean facts aren't facts.

You keep saying this, but the only thing I may have proven of you is that you have terrible spelling and grammar skills, and a Gail Kim bias that rivals that have Slyfox's John Cena bias. The only difference is John Cena is a phenomenal wrestler, and Gail Kim is a bottom of the barrel woman wrestler.

Seriously? You just used the most common "I lost the argument" response and poked fun at my spelling and grammar? The worst part is is that there's absolutely nothing wrong with my spelling and grammar so you look like a complete idiot. Good come back!

And what's your theory for why Gail Kim and Kong allegedly outdrew the men? Were people standing around the water cooler talking about Gail Kim and Awesome Kong's last match? Or did TNA's ratings go from a .08 to a .085?

I don't need a theory. Clearly the reason is the wrestling was good and people wanted to WATCH the MATCHES. The entire Gail Kim vs. Awesome Kong feud was about nothing but wrestling. It was the exact opposite of what the Diva's are and have always been, and the Knockouts division back then was the exact opposite of everything the Diva's are. The Knockouts were all about competition and wrestling ability. So, why do YOU think they drew? Why did people want to watch them? It clearly wasn't because Awesome Kong's hot and they wanted to see her boobs.

Except that could be easily explained by the fact that Kong and Gail Kim had no business main eventing Impact.

How is this so hard for you to understand? Women wrestling was never given that spotlight before and hasn't been given it since, so why in the hell would TNA just suddenly give Gail Kim and Awesome Kong the spotlight? It's not rocket science. It's not a difficult mathematical equation here.

Because the WWE has always had male wrestlers that would draw more than female wrestlers...

Stewie, help me out here.

That's exactly how I feel about you and your inability to grasp common sense.

Not because I say so... because EVERYONE who knows ANYTHING says so. She's widely regarded as one of the botchiest performers in all of wrestling and shows it in the ring constantly. She doesn't commit to her moves or the moves of her opponent and it comes off making everything seem soft and unrealistic.

This isn't just my opinion either, this is one that is held by many of this forum's top members...

http://forums.wrestlezone.com/showthread.php?t=118336

So yeah, mull that one over for a while and realize that anyone with an eye for wrestling sees Gail Kim for what she is, a botch machine that knows nothing about putting on a good match.

Oh my god! You're telling me that a bunch of internet wrestling geeks, half of who are in or barely out of high school, have the opinion that Gail Kim is mediocre at wrestling? Well why didn't you say so! Those wrestling analysts know exactly what they're talking about! They've never wrestled a match in their lives, nor do they know anything about the inner workings of a match or the business itself, but I will certainly take their opinions as fact.

Oh, but you clearly don't know how to do math. Twenty more people in that poll think Gail Kim's a great wrestler compared to those who think she's not and botches. Even your arguments make you look like an idiot.


You hate Gail Kim, I get it. I realistically give Gail Kim the credit she's earned. We'll leave it at that and agree to disagree.

 

[JGlass]

Oh, I agree. I'm pretty sure a good wrestling match is all about the performance in the ring, the story that's told, and certainly the entertainment value the crowd/audience gets from it. And by those standards both of those matches were great. So no, I don't believe you do know what makes a good wrestling match.

How were they great? What story did it tell? The only story I saw was of the little Asian girl that didn't care enough to give it her all.

Are you for real? No, you definitely can't be.

Gail Kim vs. Mickie James: Gail Kim gets herself hurt. Gail Kim almost hurts Mickie. Gail Kim fucks up the ending TWICE and ruins the match.

The Undertaker vs. HBK: Undertaker gets hurt because the camera guy was in the wrong place. Undertaker gets up, finishes the match, Shawn Michaels never even comes close to getting hurt, match becomes instant classic.

So yeah... I'm for real. I'm much, MUCH smarter than you.

What in the hell does that have to do with the fact TNA DID put the Knockouts in the main event. And the Knockouts, at the time, were drawing the highest ratings of the program. And Gail Kim was the face of the Knockouts division at that time. How can you not grasp this? This is pretty straight forward.

How don't you get this? You can be shit and be in the main event. It's happened a million times before, and it'll continue to happen.

Because that would take effort. I don't care enough about this argument with you to go find what is common knowledge. It's not like this is NEW. It's not like most people who are aware of TNA's history don't know the Knockouts were drawing during that time. Just because you were either hiding under a rock or too young to watch tv doesn't mean facts aren't facts.

Clearly it's not common knowledge, or people would talk about it. Maybe the knockouts drew as much as anybody else in TNA back in 08 when TNA was still a nothing promotion, but I'd be hard pressed to believe that they outdrew the likes of AJ Styles.

Seriously? You just used the most common "I lost the argument" response and poked fun at my spelling and grammar? The worst part is is that there's absolutely nothing wrong with my spelling and grammar so you look like a complete idiot. Good come back!

"Argument?" I'm not arguing with you, I'm having a persuasive conversation. If you said anything/showed me anything that convinced me that Gail Kim was a good wrestler I'd be happy to admit it. But you haven't.

And since you think I look like an idiot, let's just flash a few examples of how dumb you are.

Nor has any WWE Diva's, besides Trish and Lita (who I may add are two great female wrestlers who both could draw and were extremely over during their time), ever main evented a WWE show.

and its not Gail's fault if a move that is dependant

If wrestler A is giving wrestler B a powerbomb and its botched, whose fault is it?

I don't need a theory. Clearly the reason is the wrestling was good and people wanted to WATCH the MATCHES.

Then why does ROH draw shit numbers when they put on great matches between some of the world's best talents on a consistent basis?

Reason: Because it's what's on TNA this week, and the TNA fans were already watching anyway.

The entire Gail Kim vs. Awesome Kong feud was about nothing but wrestling.

And that's ALWAYS worked in the history of women's wrestling. Remember that PPV that sold a million buys because of that divas match?

It was the exact opposite of what the Diva's are and have always been, and the Knockouts division back then was the exact opposite of everything the Diva's are. The Knockouts were all about competition and wrestling ability. So, why do YOU think they drew? Why did people want to watch them? It clearly wasn't because Awesome Kong's hot and they wanted to see her boobs.

People watched them because they were what was on TNA. Nobody started watching TNA just for the women, and nobody continues to watch TNA for the women.

How is this so hard for you to understand? Women wrestling was never given that spotlight before and hasn't been given it since, so why in the hell would TNA just suddenly give Gail Kim and Awesome Kong the spotlight? It's not rocket science. It's not a difficult mathematical equation here.

I'm not the one having trouble understanding. Just because Gail Kim was given the spotlight doesn't mean she's a terrific wrestler. Sting was given the spotlight tonight, and he can't work a match for shit anymore. You don't have to be talented to be spotlighted.

Now I know, in your world the reason she was given the spotlight was because she was awesome. She wasn't. Awesome Kong was (is) awesome, Gail Kim was her chew toy that she threw around the yard. It could have been anyone. Gail Kim was just lucky it was her.

That's exactly how I feel about you and your inability to grasp common sense.

You don't grasp common sense. You either have it or you don't. Clearly you are the one lacking it.

Oh my god! You're telling me that a bunch of internet wrestling geeks, half of who are in or barely out of high school, have the opinion that Gail Kim is mediocre at wrestling? Well why didn't you say so! Those wrestling analysts know exactly what they're talking about! They've never wrestled a match in their lives, nor do they know anything about the inner workings of a match or the business itself, but I will certainly take their opinions as fact.

Clearly, you don't know shit about our members here. The guys who were arguing against Gail Kim are some of the most intelligent guys you'll never have the pleasure of knowing. One of them is one of... hell... the ONLY good writer the main page has. So yeah, those guys know what they're talking about, certainly a hell of a lot more than you.

Oh, but you clearly don't know how to do math. Twenty more people in that poll think Gail Kim's a great wrestler compared to those who think she's not and botches. Even your arguments make you look like an idiot.

It's funny because you were just lambasting the poll for being unreliable.

Question, does the drool you inevitably get all over your keyboard make it difficult for you to type? Or do you wear some sort of bib?

I was talking about the people arguing within the actual thread. You had IC25 (the guy who writes for the front page) and D-Man, two guys who have forgotten more about wrestling than you've ever known, debating a bunch of morons that can't form a sentence.

You hate Gail Kim, I get it. I realistically give Gail Kim the credit she's earned. We'll leave it at that and agree to disagree.

Credit she's earned? For what, getting tossed around by wrestlers more talented than her?

Gail Kim is a wrestler that is a hazard to anyone that works with her and botches half of the moves she attempts. Her matches are illogical and she attempts to do spots that are not only unsafe, but have no place being in the match at all.

You sir, have a lot to learn about professional wrestling.

 

[MisterRob]

How were they great? What story did it tell? The only story I saw was of the little Asian girl that didn't care enough to give it her all.

That’s the only story you would see because you’re too blind in your opinion to see anything but black or white. If you had any sense at all you’d easily be able to see the story that was told in the Awesome Kong/Gail Kim match. The very match the crowd was going ape shit for.

How don't you get this? You can be shit and be in the main event. It's happened a million times before, and it'll continue to happen.

Of course it CAN happen, but it certainly didn’t happen in this situation. Gail Kim was in the main event because she and Awesome Kong, and their feud, was OVER. They were a draw. Sorry to inform you but you NEVER see two wrestlers in the main event who both can’t wrestle, entertain, or draw to the audience AT ALL.

Clearly it's not common knowledge, or people would talk about it. Maybe the knockouts drew as much as anybody else in TNA back in 08 when TNA was still a nothing promotion, but I'd be hard pressed to believe that they outdrew the likes of AJ Styles.

They were a nothing promotion back in 2008, huh? Funny, they were getting the same ratings back then as they are now.

"Argument?" I'm not arguing with you, I'm having a persuasive conversation. If you said anything/showed me anything that convinced me that Gail Kim was a good wrestler I'd be happy to admit it. But you haven't.

And since you think I look like an idiot, let's just flash a few examples of how dumb you are.

I guess you understand what the word argument means about as much as you understand what the word DEPENDANT is, huh?

dependant [dɪˈpɛndənt]
n
a person who depends on another person, organization, etc., for support, aid, or sustenance, esp financial support


You really got me there. You knows your English language good!

Then why does ROH draw shit numbers when they put on great matches between some of the world's best talents on a consistent basis?

Reason: Because it's what's on TNA this week, and the TNA fans were already watching anyway.

What are Ring of Honor’s numbers, professor?

And that's ALWAYS worked in the history of women's wrestling. Remember that PPV that sold a million buys because of that divas match?

That has absolutely nothing to do with the TNA Impact shows that DID have an audience because of those Knockout matches.

People watched them because they were what was on TNA. Nobody started watching TNA just for the women, and nobody continues to watch TNA for the women.

You’re totally off topic here. Focus, please!

I'm not the one having trouble understanding. Just because Gail Kim was given the spotlight doesn't mean she's a terrific wrestler. Sting was given the spotlight tonight, and he can't work a match for shit anymore. You don't have to be talented to be spotlighted.

No, but if you’re not talented (and Sting is) you then at least have to be a DRAW, which Sting still is even now. So using your example of Sting you just proved why Gail Kim was given the spotlight. Even if someone accepts she isn’t talented (which she is), she was still given the spot because she was a draw for the company.

Now I know, in your world the reason she was given the spotlight was because she was awesome. She wasn't. Awesome Kong was (is) awesome, Gail Kim was her chew toy that she threw around the yard. It could have been anyone. Gail Kim was just lucky it was her.

Oh, of course! That’s why when Gail Kim left and Awesome Kong was left with Knockouts and feuds like the Beautiful People the division fell from grace and now has become nothing but WWE division.

Clearly, you don't know shit about our members here. The guys who were arguing against Gail Kim are some of the most intelligent guys you'll never have the pleasure of knowing. One of them is one of... hell... the ONLY good writer the main page has. So yeah, those guys know what they're talking about, certainly a hell of a lot more than you.

Please remove your lips from people’s asses. You’re certainly not convincing me.

It's funny because you were just lambasting the poll for being unreliable.

Question, does the drool you inevitably get all over your keyboard make it difficult for you to type? Or do you wear some sort of bib?

I was talking about the people arguing within the actual thread. You had IC25 (the guy who writes for the front page) and D-Man, two guys who have forgotten more about wrestling than you've ever known, debating a bunch of morons that can't form a sentence.

No I was showing the silliness of your example, or supposed proof to your wrong opinion.
And once again please remove your lips from people’s asses, it’s not going to get you anywhere on a meaningless wrestling website.

Credit she's earned? For what, getting tossed around by wrestlers more talented than her?

Gail Kim is a wrestler that is a hazard to anyone that works with her and botches half of the moves she attempts. Her matches are illogical and she attempts to do spots that are not only unsafe, but have no place being in the match at all.

You sir, have a lot to learn about professional wrestling.

Her matches are illogical! Did you seriously just say that? Are you just pulling things out of your ass? Please show me the proof that Gail Kim sets up her own matches without any input or guidance from anyone else… including the other wrestlers involved or the agents that, you know, are there to put together the matches. And I need to learn about professional wrestling, riiiiigghtt.

You’re grasping at straws and tossing out blanket opinions as fact as badly as you grasp at common sense.


This PERSUASIVE CONVERSATION has run its course.

 

[JGlass]

That’s the only story you would see because you’re too blind in your opinion to see anything but black or white. If you had any sense at all you’d easily be able to see the story that was told in the Awesome Kong/Gail Kim match. The very match the crowd was going ape shit for.

Oh wow, a TNA crowd going ape shit for a mediocre match. You never see that happen.

And I wasn't blind. I very clearly saw Gail Kim half ass her way through the match as Awesome Kong delivered a solid performance.

Of course it CAN happen, but it certainly didn’t happen in this situation. Gail Kim was in the main event because she and Awesome Kong, and their feud, was OVER. They were a draw. Sorry to inform you but you NEVER see two wrestlers in the main event who both can’t wrestle, entertain, or draw to the audience AT ALL.

Did I say there were two wrestlers in the main event that couldn't wrestle, entertain or draw? No, I said there was one, and that was Gail Kim.

I also never said she couldn't draw, just that she could wrestle.

They were a nothing promotion back in 2008, huh? Funny, they were getting the same ratings back then as they are now.

And they've gained a little visibility since then by hiring The Hulkster and Eric Bischoff.

I guess you understand what the word argument means about as much as you understand what the word DEPENDANT is, huh?

dependant [dɪˈpɛndənt]
n
a person who depends on another person, organization, etc., for support, aid, or sustenance, esp financial support


You really got me there. You knows your English language good!

It's dependent, ya fool.

Actually, that could be one of those American English/UK English things. You still don't know the difference between it's and its, though.

What are Ring of Honor’s numbers, professor?

You can't get Nielsen ratings because HDnet doesn't subscribe to Nielsen, but their buyrates are consistently under 2,000.

That has absolutely nothing to do with the TNA Impact shows that DID have an audience because of those Knockout matches.

Or because of the male wrestlers like AJ Styles and Samoa Joe.

You’re totally off topic here. Focus, please!

If you don't want something debated, don't bring it up.

No, but if you’re not talented (and Sting is) you then at least have to be a DRAW, which Sting still is even now. So using your example of Sting you just proved why Gail Kim was given the spotlight. Even if someone accepts she isn’t talented (which she is), she was still given the spot because she was a draw for the company.

I never said she wasn't a draw... she was given the spotlight for whatever reason, but that spotlight was ALWAYS about Kong. Things were no different when Kharma came to the WWE. Kelly Kelly was given the spotlight to share with Kharma, and that's when people actually started to care about women's wrestling. You want to tell me that Kelly Kelly is a great wrestler now?

Oh, of course! That’s why when Gail Kim left and Awesome Kong was left with Knockouts and feuds like the Beautiful People the division fell from grace and now has become nothing but WWE division.

Uh... grace? The matches were always shitty, and they stayed shitty. The only difference is they weren't put in the spotlight as shitty.

Please remove your lips from people’s asses. You’re certainly not convincing me.

The comment you sent me in rep stings no less the second time you say it.

No I was showing the silliness of your example, or supposed proof to your wrong opinion.
And once again please remove your lips from people’s asses, it’s not going to get you anywhere on a meaningless wrestling website.

Kissing butts of people I'm already friends with to further myself on a website that I already mod... Wow, you sure solved that one nice and quick, Sherlock.

Her matches are illogical! Did you seriously just say that? Are you just pulling things out of your ass? Please show me the proof that Gail Kim sets up her own matches without any input or guidance from anyone else… including the other wrestlers involved or the agents that, you know, are there to put together the matches. And I need to learn about professional wrestling, riiiiigghtt.

This will have to be done tomorrow and not at 1:30 in the morning, but I'll gladly go through a Gail Kim match and point out how illogical her moves are.

Even if Gail Kim does get input from agents or other wrestlers, it doesn't make the fact that she sucks as a wrestler any less true. She's a dangerous worker, and her moves look like garbage.

You’re grasping at straws and tossing out blanket opinions as fact as badly as you grasp at common sense.

Blanket opinions are woven by facts, and the fact is Gail Kim is not a good wrestler.

This PERSUASIVE CONVERSATION has run its course.

Are you sure you don't want me to ruin your day by explaining exactly how terrible Gail Kim is?

 

[Dagger Dias]

I'd rather not see Gail Kim return to TNA. She was good for the division when it first started and made history as its first champion, but it has grown since she left and it has far better girls now. Her return to WWE was pretty awful. I don't recall her having a single match there that was watchable. I am glad she more or less quit, the moment of her eliminating herself was hilarious. I've never liked her matches much but her returning to TNA would honestly be the lesser of two evils compared to her staying with WWE because at least in TNA she had decent matches like the feud with Kong.

 

[Notorious718]

I'm a little mixed. I was dying to see Gail Kim mix it up with Kong/Kharma when she came back from her pregnancy because I thoroughly enjoyed their matches in TNA. Not that I was really expecting them to be anywhere near as good in WWE as they were in TNA but I still wanted to see at least one match. It's a shame really because I enjoyed her work but if she really wasn't happy in WWE then I guess it's understandable. If she goes back to TNA, hopefully she'll add something to the Knockouts division because I seriously haven't been into it in a couple years now. Overall though, I'm not too torn up about her not wanting to come back to WWE. It prevents the Kim/Kharma match I wanted to see but besides that, she's no major loss.

 

[Lowdown]

She could've handled the situation better on her last night. Its no different than when a person quits their day job on the spot flipping everyone off on the way out the door. No one really knows what went on behind the scenes between her and the WWE organization. Despite those actions, I wouldn't mind seeing her back in TNA again. I think she had better matches there than in her first run with WWE, particularly against Awesome Kong. The KO division does needs more established veterans, regardless if Gail Kim is a botcfest waiting to happen. I could see her in a feud with Mickie or Velvet if she decides to return.