Feud of the Year... or Just Pretty Good ?

[ztwhite]

After watching another impressive outing by the Miz last night, it got me to wondering...

Is the Cena / Miz feud headed for the best we've seen or will see in 2009 ??

Granted, right now it's really only a one-sided feud considering Cena hasn't really addressed the situation until last night and we saw how that turned out, but...

As many people on here seem to admit (claim), I thought the Miz had potential, but he's turning into a superstar... fast.

Anyway... don't praise or bash the Miz in this thread... unless it specifically deals with the topic question. There's already a thread praising the Miz and I'm sure there's one bashing him too.

 

[andymcg]

This is a hard one to call, i like the way this fued is heading and Miz really has stepped up to the game and deliverd some very nice promos. Its hard to say really untill Cena gets involved full time with this and The Big Show kinda leaves the fued.

So far though ive enjoyd it, and if WWE is planning to have Cena beet The Big Show and then go ahead with a straight out Miz Vs Cena Fued (which i think is likely), then i could very well see this being one of the better fueds of the year, ofcourse adding some stipulation/gimmick matches and maybe somthing personal between the two would also go a long way to helping.

Ultimatly i think The Miz should go over Cena to really push his character further.

 

[IrishCanadian25]

Honestly, the Jericho / Mysterio feud has too much steam and legitimacy to take a backseat to Cena / Miz. The feud between Chris Jericho and Rey Mysterio is going to go straight on into Summerslam - maybe even beyond that - and will elevate one of the men into the #1 contender's spot for the WHC vs Punk or whomever. And after the last few matches we've seen, I can't see how it could lose.

But best feud on Raw? Well, even though so-called experts will say HHH / Legacy will be the FOTY on Raw, I would give due dilligence to the CHANCES that Cena / Miz has. The feud is building slowly, and damned if people aren't already clamoring for the match to finally happen, sans interference.

Miz / Cena may give us what we were never given with Jericho / Goldberg in late 90's WCW.

 

[Kip The Fury]

Maybe if we could have a Cena/Miz feud without the big slow then yea it could be good. Unfortunatly it can barely be classified as a feud yet, its jus the Miz doing a few promos while Cena jobs to the big slow in every match that isnt on a ppv

 

[The Palace of Wisdom]

It's mostly entertaining, but if they're going to slow burn it, it runs the risk of getting kind of stale. While Jericho had the chops to carry the feud basically one-way against Goldberg, The Miz isn't quite on that level. Sure, his promos are fun now, but they haven't escalated yet. They have been virtually the same template since he got to Raw, with just different insults in them. Until the feud gets truly personal, there is no way it can be feud of the year.

Especially not when EVERY feud on Smackdown has been better.

 

[King Patrick Star]

I like this Cena / Miz feud. As a matter of fact, I love that new Miz T-Shirt. I think this is a good nominee for Feud of the Year, however, I don’t believe it is or will be. There are a few feuds on the Blue show and in Orlando that happened or will happen that I believe will surpass this feud and on top of the fact that it doesn’t revolve around a World Title makes it harder for me to go with this one. I know, I know, M.V.P. / Matt Hardy was for the U. S. Title two years back and Shawn Michaels / Chris Jericho wasn’t for a Title at all, but there are always exceptions to the rule.

 

[davy190260]

this definitely has potential to be fued of the year. they should build this up and let the 2 go at it at summerslam with the miz somehow going over. i used to hate miz but now he is one of the very best up and comers in the wwe.

 

[ztwhite]

I like this Cena / Miz feud. As a matter of fact, I love that new Miz T-Shirt. I think this is a good nominee for Feud of the Year, however, I don’t believe it is or will be. There are a few feuds on the Blue show and in Orlando that happened or will happen that I believe will surpass this feud and on top of the fact that it doesn’t revolve around a World Title makes it harder for me to go with this one. I know, I know, M.V.P. / Matt Hardy was for the U. S. Title two years back and Shawn Michaels / Chris Jericho wasn’t for a Title at all, but there are always exceptions to the rule.

I certainly don't want to rain on your parade... but I'm going to

There is absolutely no feud in TNA that could possibly surpass anything the WWE does when it includes main event level stars !!!!!

I like TNA and I enjoy watching it, but right now, the best storyline they have going is The Beautiful People / Awesome Kong. The MEM / Foley / Jarrett storyline is a complete mess right now, with everyone and their sister's brother's uncle's cousin getting involved.

The feud of the year should involve two superstars, not the entire roster.

 

[Y 2 Jake]

It's entertaining. Says the man who only watches highlight. The longer they hold it off the better. But this being typical WWE I don't see it ending any other way than a quick squash on Raw. The Miz strikes me as somebody who WWE will get bored of. Hopefully I'm wrong.

I can't think what else would win Feud Of The Year. Mysterio/Jericho might if they use the mask angle more. Orton & HHH will lose votes because of the Mania match and it'll drag too long. Some will vote for HBK/Taker because of the one match. It's hardly been a vintage year so far. I'd say that Jeff Hardy vs. C.M. Punk stands a chance if Jeff stays or the fued lasts about 4 months.

 

[The Madrid Slam]

I think the Miz has suprised most of us. He's definitly come into his own, and it's a nice little..."fued" with Cena he has going on. I don't think you can neccesarily call it a fued just yet, let's just see where it develops.

I personally think a fued that has more potential than Miz/Cena is Jericho vs. Mysterio. It's a big deal to have someone's mask removed, and...well Jericho removed his mask and took his title. They've had 2 very good matches in my opinion.

 

[Nate DaMac]

Goddamnit Jake you're throwing me off! When did you start being serious?lol. I think it may be too early to call, but Miz is doing a damn good job of gettin the fans behind Cena again. I love where this is going. I was so pissed when the Big Show came out. Like no! Not this shit again! But then Miz lit his shit up and I marked out. It would be awesome if Miz somehow went over him at some point. Right now it's the most entertaining program on Raw.

 

[King Patrick Star]

I certainly don't want to rain on your parade... but I'm going to

There is absolutely no feud in TNA that could possibly surpass anything the WWE does when it includes main event level stars !!!!!

I like TNA and I enjoy watching it, but right now, the best storyline they have going is The Beautiful People / Awesome Kong. The MEM / Foley / Jarrett storyline is a complete mess right now, with everyone and their sister's brother's uncle's cousin getting involved.

The feud of the year should involve two superstars, not the entire roster.

Man, I liked you. I liked your avatar and sig. I was a quiet poster here and now you put me in my first feud. HAHA!!

I like TNA, you like TNA, we all like TNA. You’re going to tell me that a feud with John Cena, the man everybody loves to hate and hates to love, and the Miz, the “surprise” break out star of the team of M&M, is in a better feud than all of TNA?? Really?? Let’s take a look at a few things that has happen in Orlando in the past 6 months.

Beer Money vs. Team 3D
This has to be the greatest Tag Team feud in 2009, hands down. This feud started as the straight up Face Legends vs. Heel “Up and comers” and turn into a respectful competition with a whole division on both teams backs. I even think before it’s all said and done, either Beer Money reverts back to Heels or Team 3D reverts back to its roots.

Suicide vs. Everybody
I know what you’re thinking. Video game character brought to life is corny. Did you think that bringing real people to video games is corny too?? This Suicide character, if done right, could be the greatest mystery since “Who is the Black Scorpion??” So far, I find it very intriguing as to who it will be. I know who it is, and I know who it was for a short period of time, but storyline-wise, TNA can change who Suicide is at anytime. The fact that you don’t know where the storyline is going is what makes this even better. Yeah, yeah, Kaz this, Kaz that, but imagine when he is unmasked and it turns out to be yet another Star.

Main Event Mafia vs. TNA
Since the days of the Four Horsemen, the New World Order and D-Generation X, stable wars has been a great feature in Wrestling. This new idea for a stable is quite intriguing considering all the members involved in the Heel faction. With in – house fighting and, of course, name value, the M. E. Mob is automatically put in as Feuds of the Year candidates. Between Kurt, Sting, A. J. Joe, Mick and Jeff, the Main Event / Main Attraction spots in TNA already surpasses, what everyone here like to call “Stale WWE / World Title pictures” You have Faces facing Faces, Heels heeling Heels (Okay that’s not a term, but just go with it) and the ultimate power struggle at the top. In this one big feud, you have, at the very least, three feuds going on at the same time. This gives the ordinary stable war multiple dimensions. Even Sharmell and Jenna are involved in a feud…sort of.

Point being, Cena vs. Miz is good, but don’t over rate it. (I’m still getting that Miz T-shirt since I’ve CenaNuff).

 

[Tenta]

In terms of a long term potential feud, The Miz and John Cena has the potential to be a great feud. It can, if they portray him correctly, slingshot The Miz to the top of the card, or at least an upper mid-card area. But I must admit, The Miz has been creative freeway to speak about things that most wrestlers haven't about Cena. But it's definitely helped this feud infinitely. My only hope is that, at some point, WWE offers the chance for these two to actually wrestle one another. The WWE has recently made a habit of bait-and-switiching us in regards to having us watch these two wrestle. They don't have to wrestle one-on-one; you can have them wrestling one another in tag teams. For example, at this Three For All WWE is planning next week, they could have an inter-brand tag team match, allowing Raw and Smackdown wrestlers to team together. Consider a match of John Cena/ John Morrison VS. Shelton Benjamin/ The Miz. You can still tease the two wrestling, but not have either one job to the other. Plus, you can highlight the Morrison/ Benjamin feud on Smackdown.

Now then, if we're counting one off feuds, it's nowhere near the best feud of 2009. That distinction clearly belongs to HBK and The Undertaker. By no means should we have any belief that Shawn Michaels was going to go over on The Undertaker. But the ways in which HBK got into The Undertaker's head made you think that perhaps Michaels had the mental advantage over Undertaker. The whole concept of Light VS. Darkness was a battle of epic proportions, and it was played upon so well on Raw and Smackdown. It provided the best promo segment of 2009, with Shawn's use of light on Smackdown, and mimicking the Undertaker's mannerisms. This segment was so well done, and it was fairly apparent that HBK was given freeway into Undertaker's gimmick. Plus, it didn't matter what The Undertaker did in vengeance, because every ounce of heat that HBK got on Taker, Taker returned the favor completely at Wrestlemania 25. And speaking of Wrestlemania 25, there's one other reason why this was the best feud: it had the match of the year, and it's not even close. I go by the theory that the best feuds are ones that provide the best blow off match, and the best resolution for the feud. I left the Undertaker/HBK feud more than satisfied. Hell, it saved Wrestlemania for me.

Miz/Cena could be great.... But it's not even close as compared to Taker/HBK.

 

[ztwhite]

Awww shit - this is going to be fun !!! A TNA mark finally took the bait. Forgive me while I hook you like catfish chasing the worm.

Man, I liked you. I liked your avatar and sig. I was a quiet poster here and now you put me in my first feud. HAHA!!

We've established that we both like women's asses, but that my be the only thing we agree on.

Beer Money vs. Team 3D

This has to be the greatest Tag Team feud in 2009, hands down. This feud started as the straight up Face Legends vs. Heel “Up and comers” and turn into a respectful competition with a whole division on both teams backs. I even think before it’s all said and done, either Beer Money reverts back to Heels or Team 3D reverts back to its roots.

It's the only tag team feud of 2009 !!!

The Motor City Machine Guns and Lethal Consequences have wasted the past two months chasing a masked video game character and haven't had a legit match for a while.

TNA shouldn't have let Beer Money win the tourney - they've already captured the crowds backing. If you're going to stake the company on cruiserweights and tag teams, at least develop another legit tag team. Especially when LAX is out with injuries. The British Invasion should have went over here. They have a lot of potential, but this was a prime opportunity to thrust them into the spotlight and they dropped the ball.

As for Team 3D, what more can be done or said with them ? They are arguably the greatest tag team ever, so it doesn't benefit them at all to feud with Beer Money. The only positive that can come out of this is a rub for Beer Money, but again, they're already over in a big way.

Suicide vs. Everybody

I know what you’re thinking. Video game character brought to life is corny. Did you think that bringing real people to video games is corny too?? This Suicide character, if done right, could be the greatest mystery since “Who is the Black Scorpion??” So far, I find it very intriguing as to who it will be. I know who it is, and I know who it was for a short period of time, but storyline-wise, TNA can change who Suicide is at anytime. The fact that you don’t know where the storyline is going is what makes this even better. Yeah, yeah, Kaz this, Kaz that, but imagine when he is unmasked and it turns out to be yet another Star.

It can be surmised that if you're a wrestling fan and you're watching TNA, then more than likely you watch WWE too. There will always be an exception to the rule, but I find it hard to fathom that TNA has developed that many TNA-exclusive fans.

That being said, as a fan of both companies, the Jericho / Mysterio mask feud will far surpass what TNA can possibly do with Suicide.

No matter who they thrust into the chase for the mask in TNA, they can't possibly compare to the in ring work that Jericho / Mysterio will provide. Their feud has already been mentioned several times in this thread and they've only had two matches. Kids absolutely love Mysterio and his mask is the most popular item in terms of merchandise sales. Ever seen anyone wearing a suicide mask in the crowd during Impact ??

Right now, the Suicide storyline has accomplished one thing in my opinion - it allowed Don West to perfect his heel commentating.

It's not elevating Daniels - true wrestling fans and fans of TNA already know he's a pretty damn good wrestler.

It's not furthering the status of Sabin of Shelley - The Motor City Machine Guns would have done that, but I already told you what happened there.

It's not even furthering the careers of Jay Lethal or Consequences Creed - Lethal's mic work and comedic tendencies are starting to show, but when was the last time he wrestled ? Creed simply reminds everyone of Rocky. I'm surprised he didn't attempt to fight the cardboard Rocky cutout Foley used a few weeks back.

Main Event Mafia vs. TNA

Since the days of the Four Horsemen, the New World Order and D-Generation X, stable wars has been a great feature in Wrestling. This new idea for a stable is quite intriguing considering all the members involved in the Heel faction. With in – house fighting and, of course, name value, the M. E. Mob is automatically put in as Feuds of the Year candidates. Between Kurt, Sting, A. J. Joe, Mick and Jeff, the Main Event / Main Attraction spots in TNA already surpasses, what everyone here like to call “Stale WWE / World Title pictures” You have Faces facing Faces, Heels heeling Heels (Okay that’s not a term, but just go with it) and the ultimate power struggle at the top. In this one big feud, you have, at the very least, three feuds going on at the same time. This gives the ordinary stable war multiple dimensions. Even Sharmell and Jenna are involved in a feud…sort of.

I agree, a new idea for a stable would be great. But The MEM is not new - it's an NWO ripoff. Where's the new stars being bred with the faction ? Jenna Morasca (spelling ?)? Okay, the storyline includes Samoa Joe and A.J. Styles, but it's not like they're new TNA stars - they were TNA stars before the "legends" stating showing up. All they've done is take a backseat since MEM formed. Add in Foley and Jarrett and it's simply a feud between former WWE stars and Sting.

Where is it going to get the company a year from now ? How about three years from now ?

Feuds within a faction do not make it entertaining, it makes it a pain in the ass. Ask Eric Bischoff and the NWO.

Point being, Cena vs. Miz is good, but don’t over rate it.

Cena and The Miz will do exactly what it's doing right now - establish a future star that the WWE can utilize for many years down the road. And like NateDaMac states in this post... it's also getting fans behind Cena again and like it or not, he is the present and future of wrestling.

Goddamnit Jake you're throwing me off! When did you start being serious?lol. I think it may be too early to call, but Miz is doing a damn good job of gettin the fans behind Cena again. I love where this is going. I was so pissed when the Big Show came out. Like no! Not this shit again! But then Miz lit his shit up and I marked out. It would be awesome if Miz somehow went over him at some point. Right now it's the most entertaining program on Raw.

(I’m still getting that Miz T-shirt since I’ve CenaNuff).

So are you also buying a Suicide mask, an MEM t-shirt and a Beer Money cooler or money clip ??

 

[King Patrick Star]

Awww shit - this is going to be fun !!! A TNA mark finally took the bait. Forgive me while I hook you like catfish chasing the worm.

We've established that we both like women's asses, but that my be the only thing we agree on.

It's the only tag team feud of 2009 !!!

The Motor City Machine Guns and Lethal Consequences have wasted the past two months chasing a masked video game character and haven't had a legit match for a while.

TNA shouldn't have let Beer Money win the tourney - they've already captured the crowds backing. If you're going to stake the company on cruiserweights and tag teams, at least develop another legit tag team. Especially when LAX is out with injuries. The British Invasion should have went over here. They have a lot of potential, but this was a prime opportunity to thrust them into the spotlight and they dropped the ball.

As for Team 3D, what more can be done or said with them ? They are arguably the greatest tag team ever, so it doesn't benefit them at all to feud with Beer Money. The only positive that can come out of this is a rub for Beer Money, but again, they're already over in a big way.

It can be surmised that if you're a wrestling fan and you're watching TNA, then more than likely you watch WWE too. There will always be an exception to the rule, but I find it hard to fathom that TNA has developed that many TNA-exclusive fans.

That being said, as a fan of both companies, the Jericho / Mysterio mask feud will far surpass what TNA can possibly do with Suicide.

No matter who they thrust into the chase for the mask in TNA, they can't possibly compare to the in ring work that Jericho / Mysterio will provide. Their feud has already been mentioned several times in this thread and they've only had two matches. Kids absolutely love Mysterio and his mask is the most popular item in terms of merchandise sales. Ever seen anyone wearing a suicide mask in the crowd during Impact ??

Right now, the Suicide storyline has accomplished one thing in my opinion - it allowed Don West to perfect his heel commentating.

It's not elevating Daniels - true wrestling fans and fans of TNA already know he's a pretty damn good wrestler.

It's not furthering the status of Sabin of Shelley - The Motor City Machine Guns would have done that, but I already told you what happened there.

It's not even furthering the careers of Jay Lethal or Consequences Creed - Lethal's mic work and comedic tendencies are starting to show, but when was the last time he wrestled ? Creed simply reminds everyone of Rocky. I'm surprised he didn't attempt to fight the cardboard Rocky cutout Foley used a few weeks back.

I agree, a new idea for a stable would be great. But The MEM is not new - it's an NWO ripoff. Where's the new stars being bred with the faction ? Jenna Morasca (spelling ?)? Okay, the storyline includes Samoa Joe and A.J. Styles, but it's not like they're new TNA stars - they were TNA stars before the "legends" stating showing up. All they've done is take a backseat since MEM formed. Add in Foley and Jarrett and it's simply a feud between former WWE stars and Sting.

Where is it going to get the company a year from now ? How about three years from now ?

Feuds within a faction do not make it entertaining, it makes it a pain in the ass. Ask Eric Bischoff and the NWO.

Cena and The Miz will do exactly what it's doing right now - establish a future star that the WWE can utilize for many years down the road. And like NateDaMac states in this post... it's also getting fans behind Cena again and like it or not, he is the present and future of wrestling.

So are you also buying a Suicide mask, an MEM t-shirt and a Beer Money cooler or money clip ??

Okay, before we go into every single line, let’s start with the main topic. You said Cena / Miz = feud of the year. I said “NO”!! Nominee, yes. Feud of the Year, no. Now for the breakdown of the parts that went off topic…sort of.

I’m not a TNA Mark. I’m a WWE / TNA SMark.

Yes, female @$$es are good.

There are other Tag Team feuds out there, but we agree, Team 3D and Beer Money right now are at the top of that food chain. In regards to what should have happened here, I don’t really have an opinion for it. I’m the one who thinks the Dudleys should feud with each other. I like the way it’s going right now and Beer Money will benefit even more from this. Think about it like this, when Beer Money takes the Titles from 3D, whoever faces them now faces an even more “Over” team and will give their opponents a, for the lack of a better term, better rub. Ewww, whatever.

Jericho / Mysterio is not what’s not being discussed and, of course, their feud will surpass Suicide. They are both former World Champs. Duh. That was never in question. We’re talking about Cena and Miz. On a side note, Suicide and the storyline has accomplished one big thing you’re forgetting, X-Citement in the X-Division. It didn’t have to elevate anyone in particular, but it did make the Stars involved relevant. It got Daniels out of the Curry Man gimmick, it got the Guns and Lethal Consequences out of their stale feud, and the X-Title being involved, it could bring in more Stars to the feud. Oh and I think you meant Creed reminds everyone of Creed, but that’s neither here nor there.

M. E. Mob is far from an N. W. O. rip-off. DX is an N. W. O. rip-off and that worked out really well. The Mafia is a totally brand new concept with having 4 ego driven World Champions plus one living Legend in one Super Group. There are no jobbers in the Mafia. They don’t job, they give rubs. The N. W. O. was great for what it is, not a stable, but more like another brand. The Mafia is, to sum it up, an All-Star team.

The company’s future is well in tact as far as the Main Event now and the Main Event in the future. It’s World Title scene right now is equal, if not, better than all three of WWE Main Event picture combined. The X-Division is doing what the Intercontinental and United States Title picture hasn’t been able to do till very very recently, and that’s keep interest in its division.

I never said the Cena and Miz feud isn’t good. All I said was it will not be feud of the year.

I don’t think I’m going to get a Suicide mask or Beer Money cooler / money clip, but the M. E. Mob black T-Shirt looks like it’s going on the Royal wish list.

 

[Razor]

Eh. Once The Miz starts getting crowd reactions it could get the ball rolling. I was impressed when he started to get a reaction during his promo, but halfway into it he lost their boos and shouts. Don't know how, but he did. Maybe they're getting tired of the constant "You guys suck, and so does Cena" promo. Only Jericho can really pull that off.

But once Miz gets those boos, it'll get going fast. Cena can work with anyone, and the Miz is no exception. An actual match between the two would see Cena win, I'm sure, but end with Miz looking great as per usual when you're wrestling Cena. It'll pick up. At least I hope so. The main event needs heels other than Legacy and Big Show. and if Miz won't fill that spot, I don't know who can.

 

[ronjoewill16]

they really have nothing elese to do with miz right now other than keep him in this "fued" with cena. he can get the us strap. but then wat? cena/miz will be good if its executed right. but, wenever i think of miz...

wat about morrison. wats after shelt b? wat will they do with him? if the ic title is locked up in y2j/mysterio. who knows.

 

[RVD420]

Definate FOTY potential. And I'm including the feud with Show involved not just the Cena/Miz feud. The fact that Show has been placed in the feud gives Miz an opportunity to actually get a clean pin on Cena which will definately make the feud seem more credible as anybody can be a threat to win instead of Miz being the proverbial 3rd wheel. Will it be FOTY?? IMO no.

BTW...whoever said something about Miz's shirt was right......that's a shirt I would definately buy.

 

[Paradox]

I was never a fan of the Miz, but since he started on raw I have started to like him. He is one of the few people that WWE's creative team is booking right. He has the tools on the mic to go with Cena, and he's not half bad in the ring. I'll be it the majority of his matches that I've seen with him were with Morrison. But with that said I think that Cena is the one that can groom him into a star. Sort of the way that Taker and others did with Cena.

My one problem right now is the way they keep involving Show in everything that Cena does. Many get on to the fact that Orton vs. Triple H has been done to death. Or Cena vs Edge, has happened to many times. Cena vs Show has been done I don't know how many times since Wrestlemania 20. Even this year, since Wrestlemania Show has been involved in every pay-per-view with Cena. Why? I wish I knew. Know Hogan slamming Andre was so cool? Because it only happened like once. (If I remember correctly.) If we see Cena giving Show the FU, or whatever it's name is now. Anyways if we see that every other show how are we not suppose to expect it.

Creative needs to realize that they possibly have gold on there hands with these two. The promos by themselves will be amazing. The matches would be solid. That and merchandise will go up, because all the Cena Hater's will be buying the Miz's shirt. (Which is freakin' awesome) If these two have a feud it could be feud of the year. They better not just bury Miz, let him win a match or two. It would do wonders for his career.