Eric Bischoff's War Against the "10 Percenters"; Calls the IWC "Irrelevant"

[MB1025]

Actually Bischoff didn't say the rumors about Carter were untrue. He SAID that given the storyline of her losing control of her company to Hogan that it made sense for her to be written off television and off social media. (i.e. twitter updates) He NEVER said the rumors were untrue, which is my point. He never really answered the interviewers question about WHERE, exactly, she was or what she was doing for the company. He elaborated only slightly about her involvement in some talent negotiations, and nothing more than that. So, for as much as he and others whine about what's being said and written, it's their own fault for not clarifying the question with a clear answer. So if people speculate (i.e. print rumors, hoping to smoke out an actual answer) and this is the strategy they (TNA) chooses, that's their fault. Which is my point about your scenario. If you said to people that the rumors were not true, fair enough. That's all that need be said. But if you say nothing, then the rumors will persist because that tends to be human nature. I'm not defending that activity, I'm saying it's reality that short of clearly defined answers, that is what can, and often does, happen. So if your choice were to say nothing, and people continued spreading rumors, oh well. You had your chance.

As for Hardy, you'd like me to prove he wasn't a drug addict while in WWE? Really? You want me to prove that WWE wasn't happy to be rid of him? Really? I mean REALLY? As to Chyna Bischoff HIMSELF said he was never high on the idea of bringing her in to start with and once the news of her latest movie surfaced, that relationship with TNA was ended. You may not want to accept all of the coincidences and line up the dots, but most others I'm sure can see the patterns.

As for your objectivity, you have none. I don't care that you watch WWE programming. That doesn't make you objective. Being objective means being open to the possibility that something you may not on the surface believe, could actually be true. You must, if you want to be considered objective, be willing to accept that perhaps your position is wrong. I'm more than willing to accept that all these things I'm saying could be wrong, but guess what?

1. Jeff Hardy is out due to drug addiction.

2. Mick Foley is indeed gone.

3. Chyna is in fact gone as well.

You may not be willing to accept the IDEA of the circumstances surrounding each of their departures, but I certainly am.

You have no right to talk about being objective. You only post negative TNA threads. You never bring any thing constructive to a conversation and continuously put down anyone who doesn't agree with you as a mark. You have been on your soap box trying to tell people I told you so a few times and in fact have been wrong. You also spin more BS than Fox news.

Tell me I am wrong about everything I have said.

 

[FitFinlay4Life]

Actually Bischoff didn't say the rumors about Carter were untrue. He SAID that given the storyline of her losing control of her company to Hogan that it made sense for her to be written off television and off social media. (i.e. twitter updates) He NEVER said the rumors were untrue, which is my point. He never really answered the interviewers question about WHERE, exactly, she was or what she was doing for the company. He elaborated only slightly about her involvement in some talent negotiations, and nothing more than that. So, for as much as he and others whine about what's being said and written, it's their own fault for not clarifying the question with a clear answer. So if people speculate (i.e. print rumors, hoping to smoke out an actual answer) and this is the strategy they (TNA) chooses, that's their fault. Which is my point about your scenario. If you said to people that the rumors were not true, fair enough. That's all that need be said. But if you say nothing, then the rumors will persist because that tends to be human nature. I'm not defending that activity, I'm saying it's reality that short of clearly defined answers, that is what can, and often does, happen. So if your choice were to say nothing, and people continued spreading rumors, oh well. You had your chance.

As for Hardy, you'd like me to prove he wasn't a drug addict while in WWE? Really? You want me to prove that WWE wasn't happy to be rid of him? Really? I mean REALLY? As to Chyna Bischoff HIMSELF said he was never high on the idea of bringing her in to start with and once the news of her latest movie surfaced, that relationship with TNA was ended. You may not want to accept all of the coincidences and line up the dots, but most others I'm sure can see the patterns.

As for your objectivity, you have none. I don't care that you watch WWE programming. That doesn't make you objective. Being objective means being open to the possibility that something you may not on the surface believe, could actually be true. You must, if you want to be considered objective, be willing to accept that perhaps your position is wrong. I'm more than willing to accept that all these things I'm saying could be wrong, but guess what?

1. Jeff Hardy is out due to drug addiction.

2. Mick Foley is indeed gone.

3. Chyna is in fact gone as well.

You may not be willing to accept the IDEA of the circumstances surrounding each of their departures, but I certainly am.

Your objective? You say that all three examples are bad business decisions, I said they were risks.

1. Actually what I said was "tell me that WWe did not bring back Jeff after he'd had drug issues in his past". Jeff Hardy's first break from WWe was littered with drug indiscretions and included being dropped by TNA at one point. Despite this, they rehired him and he was hugely over for them, so that was a risk that bore fruit. And if you really want to talk objectivity, it was widely reported that WWe made big offers to keep Jeff (much like the current reporting on CM Punk) and you demand proof, yet you demand proof that the Dixie rumours are untrue?

2.What idea is there around Foley's departure? He was disillusioned with a product that is mild compared to the Attitude era in which he made his name, coincidentally at the same time as the Rock returns and the grass is suddenly greener back in his old stomping ground.

3. At no stage was the Chyna deal purported to be a long term deal, Bishoff didn't like the idea of bringing her in - that's his prerogative, John Morrison didn't like the idea of Trish Stratus being involved at WrestleMania.

What have I stated as fact that makes me unobjective? I'm not a confidant of anyone in the know, for all I know every rumour may be true but from a moral standpoint, I give the benefit of the doubt to her rather than the muckrakers. And as far as Bischoff is concerned, it is not his issue to address and calling him a liar because he doesn't address something that has nothing to do with him is hardly objective.

 

[MB1025]

In regards to reports that TNA informed Chyna that she would not be asked to return to work with the company if her new adult film was released, the former WWE star has revealed, in several recent interviews, her side of the story.

The Wrestling Observer is reporting that Chyna claims TNA never approached her with news that she wouldn't be asked back to work if her adult film, "Backdoor to Chyna," was released. In fact, claims Chyna, following her one TV and one PPV appearance for TNA, the two sides never actually spoke at all, and she assumed she was finished after the two bookings.

Chyna went on to say that her and TNA never discussed a long term deal that would see her make a full-time return to wrestling, and for that to happen she would have to have been offered an "incredible deal," which was something TNA wasn't offering.

Here is proof that the Chyna deal was never more than 2 dates. Chyna herself speaks these words.

 

[George Steele's Barber]

I want to apologize to my family, friends, the media and especially the IWC by admitting the shame I feel for having participated and even at times continuing this thread when it should have died a proper death.

Now if someone can download a .GIF of a man beating a dead horse we could get some proper perspective and possibly closure.

 

[Brian in Austin]

Your objective? You say that all three examples are bad business decisions, I said they were risks.

1. Actually what I said was "tell me that WWe did not bring back Jeff after he'd had drug issues in his past". Jeff Hardy's first break from WWe was littered with drug indiscretions and included being dropped by TNA at one point. Despite this, they rehired him and he was hugely over for them, so that was a risk that bore fruit. And if you really want to talk objectivity, it was widely reported that WWe made big offers to keep Jeff (much like the current reporting on CM Punk) and you demand proof, yet you demand proof that the Dixie rumours are untrue?

2.What idea is there around Foley's departure? He was disillusioned with a product that is mild compared to the Attitude era in which he made his name, coincidentally at the same time as the Rock returns and the grass is suddenly greener back in his old stomping ground.

3. At no stage was the Chyna deal purported to be a long term deal, Bishoff didn't like the idea of bringing her in - that's his prerogative, John Morrison didn't like the idea of Trish Stratus being involved at WrestleMania.

What have I stated as fact that makes me unobjective? I'm not a confidant of anyone in the know, for all I know every rumour may be true but from a moral standpoint, I give the benefit of the doubt to her rather than the muckrakers. And as far as Bischoff is concerned, it is not his issue to address and calling him a liar because he doesn't address something that has nothing to do with him is hardly objective.

You haven't stated any facts. You've given alleged reports, not facts. As for believing ANYTHING Chyna has to say. Are you kidding me? Dude, SHE'S A DRUG ADDICT AND DRUNK!!!

Now if you have any facts regarding the negotiations between J. Hardy/WWE or Chyna/TNA, then let me know. But forgive me if I don't believe a person in Chyna whose had drug, alchohol, and porn issues.

 

[Brian in Austin]

Here is proof that the Chyna deal was never more than 2 dates. Chyna herself speaks these words.

Sorry, but I don't believe her. Her credibility was shot long ago!!!

 

[UnBEARaBULLfan]

Sorry, but I don't believe her. Her credibility was shot long ago!!!

So something comes straight from the horses mouth and you don't believe her.

Then that proves no matter what bishoff would have said about Dixie or the company it wouldn't of mattered cause you choose to believe what you want, ( and you have every right) no matter what facts people are going to present to you, and would just have spun it whatever way you would have to, to justify your attack on Bishoff, Dixie, and TNA.

 

[ralphie9181]

I'm not in attack mode here, but I would like to believe that we matter. Vocal Minority or not, we are passionate enough that we discuss a fake play acting business and take it seriously. We are the ones who will be talking about it long after its dead, the internet is where old matches and glory days still survive as much as Vince would like us to forget. Bischoff has his opinion, but he wasn't around TNA either when all they had was internet stream for TV and PPV and they thought they would go out of business. People like us kept them alive or at least relevant. I don't care if they like us or not, I just like to think that internet wrestling fans keep it alive in the darkest times.

 

[MB1025]

Sorry, but I don't believe her. Her credibility was shot long ago!!!

I wonder what you would have said if she said she was signed on long term and let go. I bet her credibility would be a little more legit.


I am just going to ignore you from now on.

 

[Karilas]

Holy shitbags I must have dropped 40 IQ points reading this thread. It's basically "MERRR MERRR MERRRR!!! NUH-UH!!!!"

I'm going to hell just for bumping this shitty thread, but I just need to let loose a scream of frustration at putting myself through the tortures contained herein.

"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRGGGGHHHH!!!"

 

[Rayne]

Look, no one is accusing the guy of a crime here. But he is a representative, a public face of if you will, of TNA the company. Regardless of their competition, if TNA wants to be taken seriously, it is incumbent upon them to have representatives who can be trusted to represent their brand with class, dignity, and honesty.

Um, what?

This whole thread has gotten, really, really ******ed, but this is one of the dumber things I've read here. Professional wrestling started at the carnival, and hasn't traveled very far since. The people who run the business are carny workers in suits; they lie, they cheat, they manipulate money, they play with your expectations. The industry is predicated on getting people to come in with lots of money, then leave with very little. Everything else is inconsequential. Being taken seriously doesn't matter; getting people to drop money does, and honesty is a hindrance to that.

Stop expecting that there is some point in professional wrestling that the performers are going to sit down and say "this is how it really is". The industry is based upon lies. "Kayfaybe" doesn't stop when the tv cameras get turned off, it just looks different.

 

[Brian in Austin]

So something comes straight from the horses mouth and you don't believe her.

Then that proves no matter what bishoff would have said about Dixie or the company it wouldn't of mattered cause you choose to believe what you want, ( and you have every right) no matter what facts people are going to present to you, and would just have spun it whatever way you would have to, to justify your attack on Bishoff, Dixie, and TNA.

What I'm saying here is that Chyna has a questionable character. Therefore, in this particular situation, it's entirely possible she isn't telling the truth, or in fairness to her, all of the truth.

 

[MB1025]

What I'm saying here is that Chyna has a questionable character. Therefore, in this particular situation, it's entirely possible she isn't telling the truth, or in fairness to her, all of the truth.

What does she have to lie about? She said she was never told to do more than 2 dates. The reaosn she is lying is because it isn't what you wanted to hear. All the rumors pointed to a hand shake deal with no one reporting she signed with TNA. Then Chyna herself says TNA gave no indication that they wanted to use her after the PPV.

I know you so wanted this to e the other way around, but it didn't happen. Now you have to question her character because of things she has done in the past and try to past her off as a liar when there is no reason to lie about any of this.

 

[Brian in Austin]

Um, what?

This whole thread has gotten, really, really ******ed, but this is one of the dumber things I've read here. Professional wrestling started at the carnival, and hasn't traveled very far since. The people who run the business are carny workers in suits; they lie, they cheat, they manipulate money, they play with your expectations. The industry is predicated on getting people to come in with lots of money, then leave with very little. Everything else is inconsequential. Being taken seriously doesn't matter; getting people to drop money does, and honesty is a hindrance to that.

Stop expecting that there is some point in professional wrestling that the performers are going to sit down and say "this is how it really is". The industry is based upon lies. "Kayfaybe" doesn't stop when the tv cameras get turned off, it just looks different.

Pro wrestling may have at one time been run in the way you say, but it's long since moved to a much different place. Look back to Timewarner/AOL who had a vested interest, however long, in WCW. Before that it was Turner Broadcasting, which was a pretty successful business. The WWE has had relationships with USA, NBC, and I think Fox (during their XFL venture or was that also with NBC?). Point is, wrestling is, and has been for some time now, mainstream. As such, when they sell their product to networks and advertisers, they need to not only appear to be professionally run, but they need to actually BE professionally run.

 

[Brian in Austin]

I wonder what you would have said if she said she was signed on long term and let go. I bet her credibility would be a little more legit.


I am just going to ignore you from now on.

Had she been signed to a long term contract with TNA, I would have faulted TNA for signing yet another known addict who is now a porn queen. I wouldn't have faulted her for capitalizing on TNA's lack of standards in their hiring practices. Fortunately, TNA made a wise decision and decided against it.

 

[MB1025]

Had she been signed to a long term contract with TNA, I would have faulted TNA for signing yet another known addict who is now a porn queen. I wouldn't have faulted her for capitalizing on TNA's lack of standards in their hiring practices. Fortunately, TNA made a wise decision and decided against it.

Wait though. How could we trust her if she said she was signed long term and then let go? She has very credibility I thought? Clearly you are not trying to pick and choose information to use. You wouldn't dare do that.

 

[Rayne]

Pro wrestling may have at one time been run in the way you say, but it's long since moved to a much different place. Look back to Timewarner/AOL who had a vested interest, however long, in WCW. Before that it was Turner Broadcasting, which was a pretty successful business. The WWE has had relationships with USA, NBC, and I think Fox (during their XFL venture or was that also with NBC?). Point is, wrestling is, and has been for some time now, mainstream. As such, when they sell their product to networks and advertisers, they need to not only appear to be professionally run, but they need to actually BE professionally run.

No. They have only gotten more adept at providing the image that they can be respectful. No one buys anything from a con man that tells you he's a con man, and plenty of con men work in 'respectable' business.

"Mainstream" is a meaningless buzz word, btw.

 

[Brian in Austin]

Wait though. How could we trust her if she said she was signed long term and then let go? She has very credibility I thought? Clearly you are not trying to pick and choose information to use. You wouldn't dare do that.

I'm not sure I understand what you're saying here. I clearly stated that had she been signed by TNA to a long term deal, that I would have faulted TNA for doing so, but that I wouldn't blame her for taking advantage of an opportunity.

 

[Brian in Austin]

No. They have only gotten more adept at providing the image that they can be respectful. No one buys anything from a con man that tells you he's a con man, and plenty of con men work in 'respectable' business.

"Mainstream" is a meaningless buzz word, btw.

It may only be a buzzword to you, but nearly every sport in the U.S. is trying to tap into larger and more diverse crossections of mainstream America.

1. Baseball - MLB has been in talks for years now on how to get more caucasions involved in the sport at the grass roots and beyond to ensure that there is better representation at the major league level.

2. The NBA - Years ago David Stern and The NBA saw the direction that basketball was heading in this country and tapped into the streetballers by tacitly endorsing programs like And 1. Heck, they've propped up The WNBA since its creation in order to TRY and tap into the female market.

3. NASCAR - Created a diversity program to make inroads with minorities who are horribly underrepresented within the sport.

4. The PGA Tour - Tiger Woods. Need I say more? Okay, I will. The hype that surrounded him when he turned pro was unprecedented in the history of the sport. When he became the first African-American in history to win The Masters, the sonic boom was heard round the golfing world. Since then programs like The First Tee and others are working toward bringing the game to minorities in urban areas where kids can't always afford to play in order to expose them to the game at an early age. Given that for the last decade the game has been flat in terms of overall growth, it's a massive bonus that these programs were created or we'd be hemorraging golfers by the bucket loads and the game would be shrinking on massive level in popularity.

5. The LPGA Tour - Given that over the last 5-6 years we've seen an influx of Asian talent that is dominant on this tour, there is a lot of behind-the-scenes work being done to ensure that the future of American golf on the ladies side is strong enough to compete against the Asian contingent.

And all of these sports are constantly changing their business models to fit their respective fanbases to ensure continued success/growth.

Pro wrestling is no different. They are always working to ensure the continued growth and success of their business by listening to what their fans are saying. Special offers online, reduced ticket prices, reduced ppv prices are all examples of the efforts of these companies to grow their core business and at the same time try to reach new customers who might be looking for some inexpensive entertainment.