Ecw

[the_phenomenal1]

Sorry if this topic has been posted already but i couldn't find it.

When ECW was very first being ressurected i was reslly excited becaus ei saw the guys they were having and i knew they were all guys who carry an actual match off. eg/ Stevie Richards, Justin Credible, Al Snow guys who had never made it big in WWE but who were capable of holding a match. They wern't particularly big guys but could work heel/face and were EXTREME!!!

After the first couple of weeks i was still rather optimistic yet a little concerned as people like Justin Credible were being squashed by the biggest drawer Vince has (sorry HAD) The defining moment for me was when Heyman screwed RVD out of the title, i know Rob had to drop the title because of his "incident" but it was just like turning into a mediocre Smackdown again.

The biggest concern is the "extremists" they brought in.

CM Punk - Great talent sums up ECW to the core

Kevin Thorn - Despite him coming in early i haven't seen him have a proper momentum changing match to decide of his talent.

Mike Knox/Rene Dupree - The exact opposite of what ECW is. Not impressed at all.Dupree was fine last year on Smackdown.

Hardcore Holly - Not ECW really but at least he can carry a match.

Matt Striker - Could be good, if he competed like in the indies and dropped the teacher gimmick.

Test/Big Show- put them on Raw!!!!

Terkay - Does he do anything....EVER?

Khali - Embarassment to wrestling. why do wwe persist

Elijah Burke - I think he can make it ecw style he seems athletic and capable.

There is nothing to compete for either, besides the ECW title, there's nothing!! What good is ECW title to such as Little Guido and the likes of Danny Doring, they need mid-carders instead of a few squash matches and a main event.

You may disagree with every word of this post but its just my opinion, and i would love ECW to succeed but i think it needs a little more thought, and styling around the old ECW because soon the card will be

Elijah Burke w/ Terkay squashing Nunzio
Daivari w/Khali squashing Shannon Moore
CM Punk v Mike Knox being let down by Knox's lack of talent
RVD v Big Show Heyman screwing RVD.

Which is as far away from ECW as i can think.

 

[Downward Spiral]

How are they meant to have a new ECW without introducing new talent? They are also bringing in the up and coming wrestlers and even the experienced ones like Test and Holly. That is more than I can say for TNA who only introduce washed-up wrestlers that just got sick of WWE. And WWE isn't stupid enough to go back to the 'old' ECW and have all the shit they did back there. That will never happen in any big promotion again, so don't get angry if they don't want people getting constantly injured. And also they couldn't carry more than one title because it is a ONE HOUR show. If you expect guys like Guido and Moore to be a champion there I don't know what you're on because they have and probably enjoy their life as a jobber. If they only had high-spot matches all the time, there would be no room for the WWE's storylines which ECW is a part of. It sounds like you want to wipe clear the whole ECW thing and just get everyone from 10 years ago in, but no one wants to see guys like Funk and Snow and whatever hobble their way around the ring. The only thing you could have said that would be justifiable was that they should change the name, which you didn't. So for lack of a better term and I know it was just your opinion, I have to say everything you said up there was bullshit.

 

[Uncle Sam]

Firstly, I'd like to disagree with your statement about TNA only featuring 'washed up' wrestlers. I don't really want to turn this into another TNA vs WWE thread but I've just got to say; if you mean Jeff Jarret and Sting, they can still put on fairly good matches but also provide a very big draw, particularly Sting, if you mean Kurt Angle and Christian Cage, they can still put on VERY decent matches and again, they're a very big draw. There's also the fact that TNA's X-divison represents the athleticism and extremism of ECW better than this pathetic ECW re-hash WWE has turded out; I mean, for Christ's Sake, the Big Show is the champion, THE BIG SHOW. Anyway, enough on TNA and back to the subject.

 

[ECWRAWSMACKDOWNTNA]

I really like the new ecw; I just think they need two hours and that would make the show ten times better. Oh yea man and Matt Striker wrestled in the indies for years man, not sure but I think he may have even been a tag champ. I think the new ecw is way better than the old one, the old ecw show was like an half hour of selling t-shirts and video tapes and one match. Yea it was great and had many moments but the new ecw has a chance to be way better i think.

 

[TnT]

In my opinion the talent is there for this to work (CM Punk,RVD,Sabu,Dupree,Moore IMO). An hour isn't really long enough most matches are only lasting around 5 mins . I think the upcoming ppv will help alot to help decide if this will work. Although with 5 top guys in the chamber match and no single matches announced it might struggle. I assume there will be single matches ?

 

[the_phenomenal1]

What i said about Matt Striker was i wish he would compete like he did in the indies because he was great there.

I do like some of the new talent anda two hour show would make it excellent but the way they hype it up like its the old ECW Sandman, Dreamer etc then have them gettin cained (excuse the pun) by Mike Knox(?????) andBig Show.

i understand they aren't going to go back to ridiculous balcony dives but a bit of originality instead of it being like a hyped up heat or velocity wouldn't go a miss.

 

[Downward Spiral]

The only originality they could have would be extreme rules matches which I believe they should have about 2 or so each month. Guys like Sandman and Dreamer are good now but they will never go back to the way they used to be with all extreme matches. Sure, they are good at it but we will probably never see them do it frequently again.

 

[nahbrah]

What we have been seeing is not ECW. Simple as that. I tried for so long to keep the faith, and say to myself "Oh it'll get better" Truth is, it won't. When they brought Khali and Terkay over, and had Daivari squash Moore and Guido, it really drove it home. I will continue to support ECW originals, but this really is a hyped up velocity. Dudes that weren't really cutting it in Smackdown coming and crushing the originals, it's bullshit.

 

[PauLwaLL]

What we have been seeing is not ECW

How hasnt it been ECW? I think your forgetting that ECW was more then Hardcore Wrestling all the time.. They have had some great matches the past month or so, and thats what ECW was really about.. All they need to do is start up the Lucha Libre, or even some fast pace action, then they'll be set.

I tried for so long to keep the faith, and say to myself "Oh it'll get better"

It has gotten better since the first show.. Ofcourse it'll never be the original ECW, but truth is, its hard to bring back anything without seeing significant changes.. Take a look at DX.. Its not the same, but still good..

Dudes that weren't really cutting it in Smackdown coming and crushing the originals, it's bullshit.

The reason for all those people coming in is simple.. ECW really didnt have a strong mid-card, to put up a decent PPV.. They needed some new faces, to build up the PPV line-up since most of there top wrestlers are in the EEC.



The new ECW isnt bad at all.. Sure, its not the original, but its just liy other WWE show which isnt bad at all.. I mean, they do have a future with guys like Punk, Test, even RVD.. The one thing that'll really put them over top is getting Big Show out as champ, which will probably be at December to Dismember.. Truth is, some people just dont like change.. And thats what the new ECW is.. Change.. It took me a little to get over the fact thats its not like the original.. But now, since I realized it wont ever be like the original.. I actually enjoy it.

 

[nahbrah]

I damn well knew it wasn't gonna be like the original. I think most people did... but I was hopeing it would keep more of it's 'core' so to speak. I know every match wasn't chairs and table and canes... but no matches ever ended in DQ because a manager grabbed the wrestlers leg.

When I say this isn't ECW, it's because it's not. It's somthing completely different being called ECW.

And I would love to know how 5 minute matches make 'great matches.'

Watch any old ECW tape, and watch ECW now, and tell me anything, besides the people wrestling, that is the same. ass.

 

[nickybo]

ecw is getting boring anyway now because theres hardly any extreme rules matches, and if there just gonna take them out then they should change the name from extreme championship wrestling to something else that doesn't have anything to do with extreme

 

[nahbrah]

And did anyone see the recent thread about December to Dismember? They didn't want it anywhere where there is old/real ECW history. Bullshit.

 

[PlatynumX420]

i agree with that about them not wanting it anywhere where there is ecw history. i quit watching wwecw when the main event everyweek was a top raw or smackdown draw vs the big show. and dont even get me started on big show being in ecw let alone the champ...wwe needs to give control of everything but the checkbook to paul heyman and let him run with it.or go back to having an anual one night stand. i liked both of them and i got a decent fix of what i kinda remember about ecw.( i d seen a few tapes before ecw was on tnn but mostly what i remember is ecw on tnn)

 

[Kasey]

The new ECW is a burnt-out husk of what once was. The wrong wrestlers are pushed and the storylines and scripting are as dumb as it gets. Strip Poker?!? They took something wonderful and used the name recognition to push another watered-down wrestling product. There are some shining moments in the ring, every third episode, but otherwise, it sickens me to no end when I think of what ECW represents now, and what it used to be. The workrate has gone down the toilet. The matches end in DQs? How extreme. WWE wrestlers were automatically pushed to the top, while the ECW stalwarts (most of whom have higher workrate) are shuffled to the side or relegated as jobbers. It's become nothing more than a junkyard for the disenfranchised of the two big shows on Monday and Friday. McMahon had license to hire the best young indy talent and present a show worth the paper it's printed on, but then again, he's getting increasingly senile as time goes on. For anything involving the letters ECW, wrestling was always the highest priority, along with integrity and getting your money's worth at each show. That's the furthest thing from the truth these days. ECW used to be the elite and sacred ground in American Pro-wrestling because talent was rewarded over horse-$hit gimmickry. Everything is backwards now. ECW was so amazing to watch back in the nineties that I'd go to my buddies' house every Friday because he had a C-band sattelite that received The Sunshine Network, which was one of the only outlets ECW had until the jump to TNN. They were worth it. Now, they'd be lucky if I Tivo'd the $hit on Tuesday.

 

[Peterdea]

i hate TNA and ECW, they both piss me off. The storylines on TNA are just stupid, and i hate 90% of the wrestlers on ECW, as well as the legnth of the shows.

 

[Hewie]

I want to know wether vince is forcing wrestlers to join ECW because Lashley was the best up and coming star on Smackdown. However he wasn't going to get gold so maybe thats why he went to ECW ??

 

[The Boogeyman]

no Lashley apparently fell out with SD writer Michael Hayes, bcoz Batista was top face and Lashley wasnt gonna win WH title soon. Also, Heyman was the booker in dsw where Lashley was trained.

 

[SC420]

How are they meant to have a new ECW without introducing new talent? They are also bringing in the up and coming wrestlers and even the experienced ones like Test and Holly. That is more than I can say for TNA who only introduce washed-up wrestlers that just got sick of WWE. And WWE isn't stupid enough to go back to the 'old' ECW and have all the shit they did back there. That will never happen in any big promotion again, so don't get angry if they don't want people getting constantly injured. And also they couldn't carry more than one title because it is a ONE HOUR show. If you expect guys like Guido and Moore to be a champion there I don't know what you're on because they have and probably enjoy their life as a jobber. If they only had high-spot matches all the time, there would be no room for the WWE's storylines which ECW is a part of. It sounds like you want to wipe clear the whole ECW thing and just get everyone from 10 years ago in, but no one wants to see guys like Funk and Snow and whatever hobble their way around the ring. The only thing you could have said that would be justifiable was that they should change the name, which you didn't. So for lack of a better term and I know it was just your opinion, I have to say everything you said up there was bullshit.

Then whats the point of having other wrestlers if they aren't going to find a place for them in the brand. Its ridiculous that they haven't expanded the show and introduced more titles. And I also agree that while they most likely won't go back to the extreme, extremeness of the old ECW, they need to do something close to it to distinguish itself from SD and RAW. I was one of those who in the beginning that said give it a chance. Now, I come to WZ or wwe.com to find out what happens. Its that boring and blah

 

[EricTapout]

ECW now is like watching Vince drive a car into a brick wall with Pauly strapped to the windshield.

Granted Vince's ECW is not going to focus around hardcore matches, however if ECW took the same approach as ROH and just put on good wrestling matches and let the wrestling speak for itself, then it would be ok.

Not for nothing, Chris Benoit would have made a million times more sense on ECW then any of the other "brand stars" that came over. Also considering that ECW's original start under Todd Gorton focussed a lot on veteran stars like Jimmy Snuka, Don Muraco, etc .. even having The Undertaker on ECW for it's 'new start' on Sci Fi would have made a lot more sense than The Big Show or Bob Holly.

 

[The Enforcer]

I think that if the WWE doesnt give ECW a Midcard title and a tag title by at least wrestlemaina then it will not last much longer at all. I mean the whole purpose to be wrestling is to be wrestling for something. And its like alot of you have said, people like Little Guido, Shannon Moore, even Elija Burke have nothing to fight for as long as RVD, Sabu, Test, Lashley, Holly are going for the title. Bring in 2 more titles and it should be ok.

 

[Jonny B]

Was anyone ever expecting this to be exactly the same as the old ECW?

Honestly you have to look at the big picture here, not only is it a WWE Brand, but most of the former ECW Talent is either retired or over the hill, or have been buried for so long that they couldn’t draw if their life depended on it. What you have to think about is, where would ECW be now if it was still a company out on its own? Personally a lot of the people the WWE have bought over to the ECW Brand are people I could have seen Heyman snatching up, along with that he probably would have gone for the RoH/TNA Talent that is around right now, that’s probably the only thing that is missing from ECW right now, the Lightweight, Technical or Lucha’s. ECW was famous for two things… Good Wrestling and Extreme Matches, and while the ECW we are now seeing is not all that extreme it has the type of workers that would have worked well in that environment. Knox, Show, Test, Thorn, Punk etc… they are all people I could have seen in ECW in the past.

ECW was also built on outrageous angles that somehow came off well, I could put money on it that had Heyman done the Strip Poker stuff when it was his own company, the fans would have ate it up and loved it. The fact is people criticise it because they expect it to be bad, they expect the WWE to screw it up, and therefore ECW never really had a chance at all, because the so called informed fans don’t take the time and effort to think about the big picture.

People are always so quick to put the WWE down, but I think if they had the Technical/High Flyers in ECW right now, everyone would be loving it, that in my opinion in the only thing missing, apart from the obvious Extreme Style, which lets be honest was always going to be at least watered down, if not only for safety reasons.

 

[nahbrah]

Everybody knows it wasn't gonna be the same as old ECW, it can be said a million times... However, it shouldn't be called EXTREME Championship Wrestling if it's not extreme... bottom line.

 

[ExtremeIronChef]

Anyone that says this new ecw is better than the old obviously never saw the old ECW.

 

[Kasey]

Everybody knows it wasn't gonna be the same as old ECW, it can be said a million times... However, it shouldn't be called EXTREME Championship Wrestling if it's not extreme... bottom line.

Couldn't have said it better myself. They should've just renamed it something else without those letters. ECW represented the pinnacle of intelligent workrate and the types of matches WWF and WCW couldn't hope to duplicate on their best days. Anyone bull$hitting me into trying to think that it's okay to like crap is barking up the wrong tree. This isn't ECW...it's more McMahon exploitation. I unlike most of the others who watched an ECW match here and there was an avid fan and still have PPVs and TV telecasts on tape (from even before they moved to TNN). I loved that company because even though it was low budget, it had heart and most importantly...wrestling without the cornball shackles and stupidity that the Big Two shat forth. It was wrestling for people who like wrestling, not people who eat up the "sports entertainment" ideal.