Does Roman Reigns only have 1 true loss?

[ASKane]

This is more of a question than a statement and I will start by saying I am a huge fan but I have been thinking about his career since I have become active again on here and I think in his entire 15 month career on the main roster he has only been beaten by pin or submission twice and one was to an Uso's and the other as a result of an Big Show interference otherwise his only losses are by DQ. Also the 1st pin came in an 11 v 3 elimination tag match so its not really a true loss because of the overwhelming odds so that means Reigns has only been pinned or submitted in a singles, tag or 6 man tag once in 15 months and that was as a result of an interference so you can question that loss as well. I knew WWE protected him but this is way more than I ever thought, I mean this is on Cena level protection if I haven't missed anything. As a fan his for him to have not suffered even 1 clean loss in 15 months is a way too much for my liking especially as Rollins has probably taken between 10-20.

Your Thoughts on if I missed any pins or submissions and on the level of protection he has gotten

 

[Jack-Hammer]

In terms of pinfalls or submissions, I'm pretty sure that all the other losses have been by Rollins & Ambrose.

When it comes to singles matches, Reigns hasn't been pinned or forced to submit, but I do recall he lost via DQ to Daniel Bryan during one of the times Bryan was running the gauntlet. He had Reigns firmly in the Yes Lock, Reigns was on the verge of tapping, but Rollins & Ambrose interfered. Reigns has been in only a very small handful of singles matches, his most recent being against CM Punk. He did win the match, though Punk was protected with just a very slight degree of interference from Ambrose.

Six man tags have generally been the bread & butter of The Shield, so I wouldn't expect Reigns to be protected quite that well when he finally gets out on his own. Otherwise, it won't be very long at all before a lot of fans turn on him and start calling him "Super Reigns" or some shit like that.

 

[ASKane]

In terms of pinfalls or submissions, I'm pretty sure that all the other losses have been by Rollins & Ambrose.

When it comes to singles matches, Reigns hasn't been pinned or forced to submit, but I do recall he lost via DQ to Daniel Bryan during one of the times Bryan was running the gauntlet. He had Reigns firmly in the Yes Lock, Reigns was on the verge of tapping, but Rollins & Ambrose interfered. Reigns has been in only a very small handful of singles matches, his most recent being against CM Punk. He did win the match, though Punk was protected with just a very slight degree of interference from Ambrose.

Six man tags have generally been the bread & butter of The Shield, so I wouldn't expect Reigns to be protected quite that well when he finally gets out on his own. Otherwise, it won't be very long at all before a lot of fans turn on him and start calling him "Super Reigns" or some shit like that.

He has taken multiple DQ's during pin falls or submission attempts but in terms of true losses like a pinfall or submission in a match with even teams I think it is only the 1 where they lost the tag titles

 

[EdgeHeadArmy]

It's called making the future look strong, and yes maybe he should have tapped
out to Bryan or get pinned by Cena but by making him look like a beast only makes the future of this young talent more an more interesting

 

[enviousdominous]

The WWE has this weird phobia of letting a future prospect look bad in very specific ways. The pinfall is basically their deal breaker it seems.

If Reigns was laying there after taking a finisher, and just before being pinned for three someone interferes, one might imagine that he may have kicked out. If they sweeten the deal by letting him pin a few people first, as was the case in the 11 on 3 match, he'd be pretty ego-maniacal (Hogan) if he still refused to be pinned. He seems like a good sport, as I remember back in the 90's Rock would throw his shoulder up in an exaggerated manner when the finish was supposed to be a pin broken up by outside interference.

Submitting seems passable for them. We could argue for days over what form of a loss is more degrading to an individual's reputation as a badass, the WWE seems to allow their golden children to submit a few times.

Reigns and Daniel Bryan work a spot where Reigns is about to tap, and there's interference. To Reigns' fans (including Vince), there's no memory of him tapping out and they're satisfied. To Bryan's fans, there's memory of him almost submitting Reigns and they're mostly satisfied. To those of us who want a decisive finish to more than half of all pro-wrestling matches, we're shit out of luck.

The race for the top is brutal and those who are engaged in it and don't have the support of Vince have to make their matches and promos make up for the fact that they're not going to be granted career saving indecisive finishes.

I think Reigns is a hell of a performer for someone who started relatively recently and I personally wouldn't mind seeing him (or most other people) replace Cena. I believe that he's getting favors from the top based on his record and I'm very hopeful that, if he is getting favors, they don't turn him into a monster like Cena.

 

[BenChillin]

We could argue for days about submission vs pinball but we also can't.

Because Undertaker has been pinned numerous times but has never tapped out.

You can argue he tapped that one time against Kurt Angle but it doesn't really count cause the actual finish in the record books is a draw (Kurt was pinned while Undertaker submitted.)


Back to the topic though, this happens all the time. Especially in WWE with debuts. He debuted in a stable so it's slightly different. At least they didn't run that undefeated streak bullshit with him.

 

[L@RISANO]

The reason I believe WWE is so high on Roman Reigns is due to good reports about him backstage and his approach to learning the business,even from his fellow Shield teammates.
It has been reported that he is like a Sponge soaking up all the knowledge he can get and if he remains like that, I can see him going far.
Anyone who has watched him has seen his drastic improvement in the ring,especially since Survivor Series. He has added different, more exciting moves such as the Superman Punch and the Dropkick from the apron to his arsenal.

Obviously, being high on him, the WWE has booked him very strongly and in the last few months, it is clear that fans are getting behind him as well. I look forward to him being a babyface soon, but hope that he has to wait at least until WM31 for a chance to get into the Main Event scene.

 

[The 1-2-3 Killam]

Roman Reigns had a crazy good record in FCW for a couple of years before even getting to WWE. He also went 13-1 in NXT. The only match he "lost" was a fatal-4-way where he didn't take the pin.

His 2012 he went 1-0 with only the big debut match at the TLC PPV.

His next match was at Elimination Chamber, which he won. 2-0. Two more wins, then the big win at WrestleMania. 5-0. Four more wins including a big W over The Undertaker. 9-0.

The first time Shield lost was by DQ on Raw, against Bryan, Cena and Kane. 9-1.

One last Smackdown win before Reigns and Rollins beat Team Hell No to win the tag titles. 11-1 at Extreme Rules 2013. Three more wins and then Reigns picks up his FIRST singles win over Daniel Bryan on Smackdown. 15-1.

They move to 16-1 and Bryan and Orton beat them by DQ. Orton and Reigns then fight to a No Contest on Raw. 16-2-1. Bryan, Kane and Orton finally get a decisive victory over The Shield on June 10th. 16-3-1. Two more wins, then a clean loss to The Usos. 18-5-1.

Four more wins and another DQ loss to Bryan, Cena and Orton. 22-6-1.

Blah blah blah, lots of matches, his final record leading up to and including this Friday's Smackdown is 51-28-7. 10 of those matches are DQ finishes, and one of them was the Royal Rumble match.

Here's the facts you might actually care about. Of the 11 losses Reigns suffered that weren't the Royal Rumble, and weren't lost by DQ or ended in a No-Contest, Dean Ambrose was pinned 4 times. Rollins was pinned 2 times, and submitted once. ROMAN REIGNS WAS ELIMINATED IN AN 11-ON-3 HANDICAP MATCH AFTER KILLING HALF THEIR TEAM. HE WAS PINNED ONCE AFTER GETTING KNOCKED OUT BY BIG SHOW. He was also eliminated by DQ once after spearing John Cena

So Roman Reigns has never legitimately been pinned clean in a fair situation. Never. Not once. That is protection the APA couldn't provide.

 

[L@RISANO]

Roman Reigns had a crazy good record in FCW for a couple of years before even getting to WWE. He also went 13-1 in NXT. The only match he "lost" was a fatal-4-way where he didn't take the pin.

His 2012 he went 1-0 with only the big debut match at the TLC PPV.

His next match was at Elimination Chamber, which he won. 2-0. Two more wins, then the big win at WrestleMania. 5-0. Four more wins including a big W over The Undertaker. 9-0.

The first time Shield lost was by DQ on Raw, against Bryan, Cena and Kane. 9-1.

One last Smackdown win before Reigns and Rollins beat Team Hell No to win the tag titles. 11-1 at Extreme Rules 2013. Three more wins and then Reigns picks up his FIRST singles win over Daniel Bryan on Smackdown. 15-1.

They move to 16-1 and Bryan and Orton beat them by DQ. Orton and Reigns then fight to a No Contest on Raw. 16-2-1. Bryan, Kane and Orton finally get a decisive victory over The Shield on June 10th. 16-3-1. Two more wins, then a clean loss to The Usos. 18-5-1.

Four more wins and another DQ loss to Bryan, Cena and Orton. 22-6-1.

Blah blah blah, lots of matches, his final record leading up to and including this Friday's Smackdown is 51-28-7. 10 of those matches are DQ finishes, and one of them was the Royal Rumble match.

Here's the facts you might actually care about. Of the 11 losses Reigns suffered that weren't the Royal Rumble, and weren't lost by DQ or ended in a No-Contest, Dean Ambrose was pinned 4 times. Rollins was pinned 2 times, and submitted once. ROMAN REIGNS WAS ELIMINATED IN AN 11-ON-3 HANDICAP MATCH AFTER KILLING HALF THEIR TEAM. HE WAS PINNED ONCE AFTER GETTING KNOCKED OUT BY BIG SHOW. He was also eliminated by DQ once after spearing John Cena

So Roman Reigns has never legitimately been pinned clean in a fair situation. Never. Not once. That is protection the APA couldn't provide.

What the above basically explains, is that the WWE is high on Roman Reigns for the future, and viewed him from NXT as a Huge Asset for the future.
That faith is going to be tested in the next year or so until/if Roman Reigns does become the Next face of the WWE/ co-face with a Daniel Bryan perhaps.

Regardless, I just hope the WWE builds him up slowly and sensibly and not just drop the ball on him like they did Ryback and Barrett,etc.

 

[ASKane]

What the above basically explains, is that the WWE is high on Roman Reigns for the future, and viewed him from NXT as a Huge Asset for the future.
That faith is going to be tested in the next year or so until/if Roman Reigns does become the Next face of the WWE/ co-face with a Daniel Bryan perhaps.

Regardless, I just hope the WWE builds him up slowly and sensibly and not just drop the ball on him like they did Ryback and Barrett,etc.

Reigns has 2 major advantages over Ryback and Barrett when they were starting their main event pushes. 1. Reigns is more talented 2. He has spent 15 months working in a upper midcard faction. Ryback squashed a ton of jobbers which only helped to hide his limitations and not let him grow. Barrett was the leader of an 8 man faction and rarely got time to wrestler. Reigns has had 15 months of regular matches and if the maths is correct by Killam has had 85 matches since debuting. I think the experience he has will be a huge factor that will help Reigns avoid doing a Ryback. Also I think WWE never wanted Ryback or Barrett to be champions at the time they were pushed but WWE still pushed them into a spot that wasn't there and that's what killed their careers. When WWE push Reigns there will be a main event spot waiting for him and that will be the biggest difference

 

[L@RISANO]

Reigns has 2 major advantages over Ryback and Barrett when they were starting their main event pushes. 1. Reigns is more talented 2. He has spent 15 months working in a upper midcard faction. Ryback squashed a ton of jobbers which only helped to hide his limitations and not let him grow. Barrett was the leader of an 8 man faction and rarely got time to wrestler. Reigns has had 15 months of regular matches and if the maths is correct by Killam has had 85 matches since debuting. I think the experience he has will be a huge factor that will help Reigns avoid doing a Ryback. Also I think WWE never wanted Ryback or Barrett to be champions at the time they were pushed but WWE still pushed them into a spot that wasn't there and that's what killed their careers. When WWE push Reigns there will be a main event spot waiting for him and that will be the biggest difference

I know that you too are a fan of Roman Reigns.

Question: Do you think the WWE should wait until the fans actually demand that Roman Reigns get into the Main Event scene after getting over big-time, or should WWE force it because it is their man?

Personally, I want him to keep going toe-to-toe with current Main Superstars, actually I hope that Daniel Bryan beats Batista for the WWE title post-WM and goes onto feud with someone else(assuming the MT match of WM will be the rumoured Batista vs Orton), whilst Roman Reigns can be put over by Batista when the latter is ready to leave in order to promote his movie.

However, I think that the US title might well be on the line in a triple-threat between the Shield members with Reigns winning it. Thier feud will continue until ER,and then the Unification might take place between Reigns and Big E(assuming his push in on pause due to PT returns).

Hopefully, Reigns will be well over with the fans by RR2015 and be the pick to win it all after just falling short this year.

Cheers.

 

[5000]

He has 2 losses he was pinned by Show and Cena.I'm not sure but I think Bryan pinned him as well,That is good though he shouldn't been turned into Ryback or Goldberg mainly if he will be "the guy" by WM31.He needs to lose a little while getting over it helps others get over as well.