Do you think the ECW swerve is confusing?

[MB1025]

People on this site just make me want to punch babies. Weeks ago when we sorta knew what was going on people just complained and complained that Nexus invasion just happened and why would TNA just take this idea from WWE and blah blah blah. Now it is clearly obvious this isn't an invasion and people are now made that it is a one night stand time deal. I don't ever want to see anyone compare this to Nexus because it is not even the same type of thing.

1. The ECW guys are not invading.
2. The ECW guys are not forcing the issue to get contracts
3. The ECW guys are there for their own PPV, I don't see Nexus getting their own PPV.


So why would anyone try to even compare these 2 is beyond me, but they will bash the ECW idea just because it was so much like Nexus when in reality it wasn't. 75 percent of people on this website don't even deserve to be in front of a key board to talk about anything. From the fans that judge a company from reading spoilers to the people who try to bash TNA and they can't even spell their name right. Hey just keep on sitting there guys and instead of enjoying the shows and being a WRESTLING fan act like you know how to run companies.

 

[wushady]

I don't get the whole thing either. Why have them attack TNA talent? Then instead of letting the ones attacked get revenge. They get a whole PPV dedicated to a company that has been gone for over nine years. It doesn't make any sense to me why TNA would want to waste their PPV time to honor a company their competition owns the rights to.

This just proves how much of a mark Dixie is. She brings in Dreamer and within a month lets him run a PPV as a tribute to ECW. A company that she had absolutely nothing to do with. They can't even use the name I'm just waiting to hear that Vince filled a law suite over it.

WWE's version of ECW wasn't anything like the real ECW. I always thought they should have called it something else. However their One Night Stand PPV in '05 was a perfect tribute to ECW in my opinion. Back then the ECW originals could still have descent matches, it was in a arena which the real ECW used often, and most importantly they had Paul Heyman. Oh yeah and they had the rights to call it ECW.

In the end I think this show could do as much damage to ECW's legacy as WWE's new ECW did. Bischoff has always been very outspoken about how much he hated ECW. This crap is taken away TV and PPV time for their own product. They should worry about their product not a company that is gone.

 

[MB1025]

I don't get the whole thing either. Why have them attack TNA talent? Then instead of letting the ones attacked get revenge. They get a whole PPV dedicated to a company that has been gone for over nine years. It doesn't make any sense to me why TNA would want to waste their PPV time to honor a company their competition owns the rights to.

This just proves how much of a mark Dixie is. She brings in Dreamer and within a month lets him run a PPV as a tribute to ECW. A company that she had absolutely nothing to do with. They can't even use the name I'm just waiting to hear that Vince filled a law suite over it.

WWE's version of ECW wasn't anything like the real ECW. I always thought they should have called it something else. However their One Night Stand PPV in '05 was a perfect tribute to ECW in my opinion. Back then the ECW originals could still have descent matches, it was in a arena which the real ECW used often, and most importantly they had Paul Heyman. Oh yeah and they had the rights to call it ECW.

End the end I think this show could do as much damage to ECW's legacy as WWE's new ECW did. Bischoff has always been very outspoken about how much he hated ECW. This crap is taken away TV and PPV time for their own product. They should worry about their product not a company that is gone.

They attacked talent because that is how they are. ECW is supposed to go against the grain and do whatever they want. If they want to beat someone up they will.

 

[shattered dreams]

Why do wrestling fans continuous try and live up to their reputation as stupid people that cannot handle anything out of the ordinary? It really blows my mind how "confused" people seem to get by a simple story swerve. The whole point of a swerve is that THE OBVIOUS THING DOES NOT HAPPEN. Build to what appears to be one thing then something else happens. It has been a part of wrestling booking for a long time now. It cracks me up to see people say they should have done a long running invasion storyline but a PPV is a bad idea because the guys are "old," "can't wrestle" and "never were important." Well then why would it be a good idea to have them be the main story for months instead of a one-off tribute? People act like one PPV of less focus on TNA talent is going to break them. That is absolutely ridiculous. Their PPVs do not seem to do that well and it is not like we have to choose between the matches TNA is building to and the one night matches. WE STILL GET BOTH. Instead we may very well get the TNA matches on TV where people will actually watch them. Like someone alluded to I can almost smell one last swerve out of this things so to all the idiots out there, prepare for the possibility of being "confused" again.

 

[WarrenIronman]

What's so confussing about the ECW people having ONE last stand? To thoose who said they had that, sure ONS stand 2005 was good but WWE should have left it there, instead they bring in ECW when they're PG, that makes no sense to me. Others are saying in invasion will be better but at the same time they're saying Dreamer and company are to old and past their prime. What would be better for them then? A one night Pay Per View or a month+ invasion? The last thing is why are WWE marks still playing the WWE did it first. You will not find orginnally in Pro wrestling anymore, everything has being done. If you don't like somthing don't watch it, if it bothers you that much why waste more on your time whinning about it?

 

[Next Jericho]

I think this needs clearing up with some of the posters here that think the ECW PPV is going to be good. Guys Paul Heyman was the only thing good about ECW (maybe add Sabu) Paul Heyman built Easten Championship wrestling into Extreme Championship wrestling with a bunch of young punks and over rated indy's jobbers so without Paul Heyman Hardcore Justice is going to not be good.

WWE one night stand 2005 should have killed ECW of there and not let it get it's second PPV but never mind third ppv.

In my option I think this ECW sweare is confusing because like many have said before I don't think it was planned out before so it off a week by week base. Instead of having a TNA hardcore ppv why don't they do a tribute to them self s like a tag team PPV like they do with Destination X which could have been interesting or do a match type like king of the mountain or something.

Now on to TNA idea of ECW well I hate TNA bashers but the invison idea is much better than the PPV its like saying to Santio Marrell you were mint in 2009 then having a PPV about him no one would like it. ECW never needed a tribute it sucked to begin with it basically destroyed wrestlers careerer and got new jack arrested because a young kid pretend to be a wrestler and killed ECW off (Screw that little cocky fcuk its his fault this is going on)

If you want any one to blame then blame Hogan,Russo, Bishoff and any ECW original that went behind the curtain with Dixie to get what they wanted.

Now I might have said a few things wrong about TNA but either watch it of go back to your John Cena colouring book.

 

[Derrtown]

Its confusing... i guess... that they arent in TNA to invade. With all the "they" talk it was logical to think it was going to be ECW guys taking over iMPACT. But people got to think of this in a bigger sense. The ECW you saw in WWF/E wasnt ECW it was WWECW. It was Mcmahon doing what he wanted when he wanted. WWECW was crap pure and simple. ECW guys now get a chance to say goodbye to it their own way. Dreamer who helped book the original ECW has total control and will book an ECW show like an ECW show not a Mcmahon show. Dreamers only 38 too. Far from "old".

 

[hatehabsforever]

I don't really think the issue for me here is whether or not the TNA/ECW PPV will be any good or not. Personally I don't think it will be any good. At all. In any capacity. I didn't think the original ECW was any good. I didn't think WWECW was much better (in terms of being an extreme reincarnation of the original, although it was very good as a launching pad for several emerging superstars). And I don't think this upcoming PPV will break this pattern of futility.

But that's just my opinion and for the sake of discussion, assume I am mistaken and it turns out to be a surprisingly good PPV with great action and that it sets records for PPV sales for TNA (which granted wouldn't take much, but that's another discussion for another day).

Now what? Where do they go from there? Do the ECW guys disappear into oblivion again, until their next walk down memory lane again in another 5 years or so, complete with walkers and senior citizen's discounts? If so, what was the point of it all? Putting the current TNA and its roster on hold just to pull off one PPV success, only to go back to the same old same old with even less momentum than they had.

Or do they keep the guys around, and continue TNA's biggest flaw, that being building their product around old has beens rather than establishing a new and innovative alternative to WWE. I don't like TNA's chances to compete with WWE if they are banking on Raven and Stevie Richards to lead the charge.

Best case scenario, a one night success, then back to mediocrity. Worst case scenario, a dismal failure, then back to less than mediocrity.

 

[The D]

Well, TNA seems to be trying to capitalize on everything WWE isn't, blood, weapons, PPV-Quality matches on TV etc....so it isn't really confusing that TNA is also trying to bring in some Nostalgia with ECW originals , how the swerve is playing out however, is pretty confusing.

 

[mrbrownstone]

It has confused me alright one week the ECW guys come out and attack the whole TNA locker room, Dixie Carters employies and she is the one who invited them. Then the next week they are here and yet none of the TNA locker room wants revenge, if I got jumped from behind I would be wanting revenge then the most confusing part is that they Dixie argees to give them their own PPV after they jumped her employes not only that but at said PPV the ECW guys are going to be fighting against eachother eventhough they come out this week and say how much they love eachother. I suppose thats TNA booking for ya.

 

[Polish Hammer]

The short vignettes where Dixie tells top TNA people like Jarrett that "this is good for TNA and they seem to give Dixie their support may be leading to a swerve. All this nicey-nice kissing up? The Agents meeting with Dixie? This is wrestling. For the TNA roster to sit out a pay-per view. Think about it. Like Kevin Nash missing a payday. Bishoff Ok...'before the anouncement. Hogan returning. A TNA Revolt? Sabotage? An ECW traitor? Maybe we get it now Sting? There is either a missing piece here or TNA is just throwing their hands up. This is where the company needs to be moving foreward not turning into a nationally televised version of the Indy circuit for out of work wrestlers from the 90s who haven't been able to find a new career path. Maybe they got something creative planned and that is good. But a replay of the Hammerstein ballroom 2005 is not gonna generate a large buyrate and then what restart the TNA storylines afer a month hiatus promoting ECW, Could be a major setback.
The last Impact was a pretty good show. The ending had suspense but the I was left with , Huh! That's it?
Tommy Dreamer lived a dream many would have loved to live thanks to Paul Heyman and Vince McMahon.
Fan's love to see wrestlers work their asses off beating the heck out of each other every weekend. Then they recovered That was what was so appealing in the original ECW. One night and out just doesn't work. Like watchin Lyndsay Lohan"s first night out of jail.
But they built careers there and continued them elsewhere. And while they were playing weekends at the Philly bingo hall and Wonderland ballroom they were dreamng of a chance of someday stepping into a ring at MSG or the Joe Louis Arena. A lot of the early guys of ECW originals were Steve Austin, Eddie Guerero, Ray Mysterio, Chris Jericho. They all moved on. Baseball players get nostalgic about their days in the low minor leagues but they don't return there.
Really! How do you follow it up? The World class Reuinion at the Sportatorium?

 

[ANKHOR_MAN3]

People on this site just make me want to punch babies. Weeks ago when we sorta knew what was going on people just complained and complained that Nexus invasion just happened and why would TNA just take this idea from WWE and blah blah blah. Now it is clearly obvious this isn't an invasion and people are now made that it is a one night stand time deal. I don't ever want to see anyone compare this to Nexus because it is not even the same type of thing.

1. The ECW guys are not invading.
2. The ECW guys are not forcing the issue to get contracts
3. The ECW guys are there for their own PPV, I don't see Nexus getting their own PPV.


So why would anyone try to even compare these 2 is beyond me, but they will bash the ECW idea just because it was so much like Nexus when in reality it wasn't. 75 percent of people on this website don't even deserve to be in front of a key board to talk about anything. From the fans that judge a company from reading spoilers to the people who try to bash TNA and they can't even spell their name right. Hey just keep on sitting there guys and instead of enjoying the shows and being a WRESTLING fan act like you know how to run companies.

I had no problem with an invasion angle. In fact I welcomed it. I do however have a problem when they build something up to be something and then they completely miss the boat on it. I mean come on now. Last time I checked if ECW was invited they didnt need to jump the baracade and beat up people randomly. That is something people in a FACTION DO. Hell the attack was pointless. It made no sense and left a lot of people sitting there clueless. And if people decided to bash TNA that is their own personal opinions you sound stupid getting mad at people not liking a wrestling show. And how does not liking something make u not a wrestling fan that really makes you sound dumb. I mean if I decided I didn't like And 1 does that make me not a basketball fan. No that just means I have my preference. Hell maybe people like certain things about a particular company. I like certain things about WWE and certain things about TNA and certain things about ROH and other INDY wrestling companys. That's what makes me a fan. No matter how much I may disagree with a company I still watch hoping something changes and they get better makes me a fan. Watching and observing wrestling since I was born makes me a fan. The fact that you didnt say one credible thing makes you look childish and like you felt the need to just rant. Rant about absolutely nothing. So before you try and critique other peoples thinking try looking in the mirror and reading what you actually write. You sound like a wanna be fan that gets NO LOVE <<<<<tell em why your mad

 

[ANKHOR_MAN3]

Why do wrestling fans continuous try and live up to their reputation as stupid people that cannot handle anything out of the ordinary? It really blows my mind how "confused" people seem to get by a simple story swerve. The whole point of a swerve is that THE OBVIOUS THING DOES NOT HAPPEN. Build to what appears to be one thing then something else happens. It has been a part of wrestling booking for a long time now. It cracks me up to see people say they should have done a long running invasion storyline but a PPV is a bad idea because the guys are "old," "can't wrestle" and "never were important." Well then why would it be a good idea to have them be the main story for months instead of a one-off tribute? People act like one PPV of less focus on TNA talent is going to break them. That is absolutely ridiculous. Their PPVs do not seem to do that well and it is not like we have to choose between the matches TNA is building to and the one night matches. WE STILL GET BOTH. Instead we may very well get the TNA matches on TV where people will actually watch them. Like someone alluded to I can almost smell one last swerve out of this things so to all the idiots out there, prepare for the possibility of being "confused" again.

Im sorry that me being confused makes me an idot. For the simple fact that this idea that TNA decided to come up with was dumb. I know for a fact that the angle I came up with utilized the wrestlers that could still fight. The thing is this is not really a one pay per view deal because the majority of the card will still be on TNA. This was not a thread to bash anybody or to call anybody out, this was a simple thread about the dumbass angle. The only reason I put confused is because the shit was fucking confusing. What do you want me to say. OMG can you believe how utterly great that swerve was. Wait I cant say that you know why because it sucked. We have seen this stupid ONE NIGHT STAND so many times. That's why a lot of the wrestlers that were ECW orignals have been declining. They have had their one night stand. This show is for the people that cant get enough of the spotlight and cant just let a good thing die. An ECW angle would not have been OUT RIGHT ECW. It would have been something that could have included TNA wrestlers and something that could have made the ECW orginals that could still go shine. I mean a few years from now TNA will be gone probably bought and then there will be another show where they will bring back some other company who knows wcw or even tna might have a one night pay per view. See its one thing to have a little swerve but they completely ignored what the fans wanted. I MEAN WHO REALLY WANTED ANOTHER ONE NIGHT STAND??? NOBODY it has been done and poorly at that where they at least had the whole roster. Now they have half of that mayb will it be successful I highly doubt it. And what makes you so credible to call somebody stupid anyway?

 

[ANKHOR_MAN3]

What's so confussing about the ECW people having ONE last stand? To thoose who said they had that, sure ONS stand 2005 was good but WWE should have left it there, instead they bring in ECW when they're PG, that makes no sense to me. Others are saying in invasion will be better but at the same time they're saying Dreamer and company are to old and past their prime. What would be better for them then? A one night Pay Per View or a month+ invasion? The last thing is why are WWE marks still playing the WWE did it first. You will not find orginnally in Pro wrestling anymore, everything has being done. If you don't like somthing don't watch it, if it bothers you that much why waste more on your time whinning about it?

I hear what you saying. My orignal opinion is that the people that could still go could have formed a Faction with some TNA talent. Even some people who were in the ECW and didnt like the way it was done. That would have made everybody happy but I feel that it is dumb to devote a whole ppv to it. It was done twice just like a lot of the other angles. But I think that an faction would have been a good thing. Just something to go against the grain not necessarily a NEXUS more like taking everything to the extremely. Like getting their matches changed, Taking things just a little too far. Pushing the envelope you know what I mean?

 

[glover619]

I like the idea of bringing in ECW guys, but i do not like the idea of an all ECW PPV. What are TNA going to get out of this PPV? They are not going to be enhancing any storylines. I also think that why would you want to fight people who are your "buddies" and you want one last stand. Why would you want to have your "final" ECW PPV at the Impact Zone. Wouldn't you rather have it at the place where ECW started?

 

[rondiesel2005]

I like the idea of bringing in ECW guys, but i do not like the idea of an all ECW PPV. What are TNA going to get out of this PPV? They are not going to be enhancing any storylines. I also think that why would you want to fight people who are your "buddies" and you want one last stand. Why would you want to have your "final" ECW PPV at the Impact Zone. Wouldn't you rather have it at the place where ECW started?

I was thinking the exact same thing about what you said, if they wanted one more ECW pay per view, why not go back to where it all started so that can actually feel like they are home where it all began in stead of Impact zone. That is the only thing that is missin from the company, but as i think about it even if they went back to where they started, they can't even us the original name for it and i dont see how Hardcore Justice can sound like a one night Stand for those guys