Did John Morrison get the John Cena/Swagger effect from Edge?

[PhoenixBuster]

Alright. Before I get berated for the title let me elaborate.

John Morrison is by no means not talented. I mean, shit, the guy can do a split legged corkscrew moonsault. Just having a move with a name that long is impressive.

What I mean is that his match with Edge, who is still hovering in the Main Event level, was absolutely phenomenal. I didn't see Smackdown but through the majestic of Hulu, I got to go back and watch their whole match. When Morrison got the kick out after the Edgecution, I was really happy that they didn't have him look great and then have him lose on that rather than the Spear.

So, what this thread is for is to discuss how much of a rub this match may have given Morrison and where you think it can go from here (e.g. Will he begin a nice feud with Edge?, etc.)? Could it have given him his next big step toward Smackdown's ME scene?

And Go!

 

[WrestlingAuthority90]

After reading this Friday's Smackdown spoilers it's evidently going to get him a huge push. Which is a pretty good thing. It's about time that the WWE gets some new talent in the mainevent. They're currently running low on ideas for mainevent feuds. So Having a new talent like John Morrison could really help that. It seems like they're going to give him the chance get himself over and break through the glass ceiling and become a player on Smackdown. So that's a very good sign.

 

[ztwhite]

I find it funny that everyone thinks Cena gave Swagger a "push" after their match on draft night. But if you look at what's happened since that match, Swagger has actually been jobbing to guys like Christian and Dreamer.

What Swagger and Cena did was put on a helluva match !!! It didn't elevate Swagger anywhere, but it certainly didn't deflate him either.

I feel it's going to be much the same for Morrison. Fact of the matter is, Morrison is a really talented individual in the ring... and so is Edge. Anytime you put two guys together like that, you're going to get a helluva match.

Whether or not Morrison receives a "push" is solely based on what direction creative wants to push him towards. They could choose to let him reside in the mid cards or they could elevate him to the main event scene.

He didn't need a rub from Edge and Swagger didn't need a rub from Cena.

The talented individuals always rise to the top if creative allows them the opportunity. Less talented individuals fail miserably - Matt Hardy and Shelton Benjamin come to mind.

 

[PhoenixBuster]

I guess I didn't really clarify on what I meant with the title, so I apologize.

I didn't mean to imply that Cena gave Swagger a push. I meant that Cena made Swagger look credible by taking a believable beating which added more to Swagger's credibility. Just as Edge took a beating from Morrison and how it looked like Morrison could actually win the match.

 

[ztwhite]

I didn't mean to imply that Cena gave Swagger a push. I meant that Cena made Swagger look credible by taking a believable beating which added more to Swagger's credibility. Just as Edge took a beating from Morrison and how it looked like Morrison could actually win the match.

But isn't that the point of any wrestling match ?? A fan has to believe that either man could win regardless of their stature. The days of The Brooklyn Brawler and "Iron" Mike Sharpe are over, albeit occasionally we see guys like The Big Show and Kozlov fight some nobody.

Swagger is / was already a main event talent when he wrestled Cena. He was the ECW champ at the time ??!! Swagger's credibility didn't need a boost at the time. But what he did was solidify both his and creative's reason for making him a main event talent and giving him the belt.

Morrison is much the same. He's been the ECW champ and a multiple tag team champ. He didn't need to make us all believe that he could beat Edge, I truly thought he may pick up the victory. Once again, he's giving creative a reason to justify their logic of making him a main event talent. J.R. says it every single week on Smackdown, "Morrison will be a future WWE heavyweight champion..." and I agree.

His match with Edge and Swagger's match with Cena were nothing more than fantastic wrestling matches - and I'm glad we had a chance to see them both.

 

[truk24]

We must have been watching different matches then because I really didn't see Morrison being made to look good. Don't get me wrong it was a great match, but Edge should have tapped Morrison out, while Morrison kicks out of 2 main moves of Edge the Spear, and DDT(Edgecution). Losing to the spear is lame, and had Morrison tapped out he could have made a chance to escape.

If anyone made Morrison look good at the end of a match it was Jericho the week prior. Do you all remember the reversal that Morrison pulled off on Chris while being placed in the Lion Tamer? Great move, and somehow Jericho reversed him in to a pin for the win. Anyone watching that match knows that for a moment they thought Morrison won with the reversal to the Lion Tamer.

I'm sure Edge and John will have some great matches down the line, but this was too early to tell. Morrison has been over in my opinion, and I don't think this is what put him "over". Although it did help his credibility in the upper mid card level. I don't feel that the WWE should rush him in to the Main event scene. First, what do you all consider the Main event scene anyhow? For starters I always felt that the main event scene is just going head to head with another main event caliber star like Cena, HBK, HHH, Taker etc... Or, is it feuding with the world champion of the respective show?

If the latter I don't feel that Morrison is ready for the world title feud, or even the belt for that matter. Jericho is much more deserving of that title. Morrison has a nice build going on for himself. He is established, and most casual fans know who he is. His sudden face turn made things confusing, but somehow it might work out. However I do hope that a sudden heel change will make its way around. May I also add that I feel Ziggler v.s Morrison is a match of the year candidate.

 

[FromTheSouth]

I think it helped Morrison tremendously. We all already knew he was a great talent, but that match showed that he can compete at a main event level. I would even venture to say that Morrison carried the majority of that match.

The best comparison I can make is Kaz's near loss to Angle. That match started a push for Kaz. He looked so believable as a TNA main eventer, he started appearing in more important matches, until he got hurt.

Morrison will benefit from this match. Credibility is a hard earned aspect to a character. It can only come from someone at the top of the card, and the veteran has to always agree to cooperate.

 

[supersayian]

This guy is the future people mark my words. he will be Int. Champion by the end of the summer maybe a stab at the main event. Morrison had good matches with Y2J a couple of weeks ago and now edge. not to mention Punk who he has had good matches with before. Morrison will get his chance as they say it is his to lose. the guy just really needs to get over with the crowd. that would be step one. then step two get better on mic some more he is not bad just not good yet. step 3 give him a feud where he can reach for the stars. a feud with Y2J over IC belt would be gold for a start.

 

[PhoenixBuster]

First, what do you all consider the Main event scene anyhow? For starters I always felt that the main event scene is just going head to head with another main event caliber star like Cena, HBK, HHH, Taker etc... Or, is it feuding with the world champion of the respective show?

My impression of the main event scene is being able to compete realistically with the world champion and those who have previously faced him in such a sense. Is that coherent? Meh. Regardless, Smackdown has a different caliber of Main event scene than that of Raw and I can definitely see Morrison fitting in there. If nothing else is used to explain what I mean, he and Punk feuded over the ECW title so I could see them feuding over the WHC (hypothetically). But there are still a couple things I don't like about Morrison which make me concerned about his potential main event push.

His Clydesdale pants look lame, and the cracked out fur coat. And then, his mic skills are kind of rough, not to mention he sounds like a tool calling himself the Friday Night Delight. But in any case, I felt like him being able to fight Edge in the way he did was awesome and definitely helped his image with creative (as was said before better than I was trying to say it).

 

[klunderbunker]

He got a rub. That's all he got and that's all it was meant to be. The key to this move is what will be made from this rub? it's one thing to have a single great match, but it's quite another to have a great run come from that one match. Swagger hasn't done much of anything since that match with Cena other than what he's done for his whole run. Morrison is certainly more seasoned than Swagger and has more of a resume under his belt to make this work out better, but clearly time will tell what comes of it. It's fine to hope that he does well at this, but until he capitalizes on what's been handed to him, he's got nothing to show for it other than a good looking loss, which at the end of the day, is a loss.

 

[Tenta]

I use this match whenever someone talks about how someone had a great match with a great worker. I used it for Jack Swagger, and this case, it's extremely applicable;

Hi There!

There was a time when people thought that this match would propel Shelton Benjamin to the main event. It was his coming out party, and surely the best match he had ever worked up until that point. Probably the best one he'll ever work in the WWE, period. How well did that go for old Shelty? Is he livening things up over there at Smackdown, wrestling in main events across the country?

No, Shelton didn't have the charisma, and thus, he was saddled with any gimmick they could give him, and he was downgraded. That, plus he got too content with his role, and thusly, the WWE shoved him down the lower portion of the card faster than you can say "Ain't no stoppin' me, now!"

That's the way it works in the business. If you're always hungry, have charisma, and can work a decent match, you'll stay pretty close to the top of the WWE card for years to come. If you have none of these things, you get Sheltonized. One match does not a career make.

And let's also remember people, he was working with Edge. Edge could make any superstar look good. It's just what he does. That, and he's an extremely talented wrestler, with a passion for the business. The WWE is just testing the waters with John Morrison, and seeing if he has what it takes. If he doesn't follow through on it.... Welll...

I hope John likes bleach....