Did anybody dislike Stone Cold?

[Hollywood Naitch]

I loved Stone Cold, he was the best thing in wrestling at that time, and I still love seeing him on TV whenever he makes a surprise appearance or if I am watching a DVD of a PPV in the late 90s.

Austin was the Hogan of his generation, almost universally loved and I can never see a time when he isnt adored by wrestling fans. He knows that his time in the spotlight is over, and I do not think we will see Austin repeatedly trying to recapture his glory days one last time like Hogan. He has more pride

 

[Brahma Bull]

okay lets get the intelligence part out first.im a third year engineering student at an iit(indian institute of technology)which is comparable to ivy league colleges in the us.

and now lets get to the facts you are stating.you said im stating rumours.the stuff about brock lesnar and jarrett is there in the stone cold truth book.i havent read it but ive read a review of it from a very popular internet columnist.here read a review of it:

http://oratory.rajah.com/index.php?archive=1698

about the wife beater stuff tell me what do you do if you find out that ur friend has beaten his wife/girlfriend.most sane people would stop being friends with him.hasnt happened to austin.he still has his friends.also since you are such a "fact" stater let me tell you that debra said in an interview that scsa beating her up was a result of roid rage.dont you think especially after what happened to chris benoit that this would have been brought up.but no it wasnt.im not saying austin is some saint.no he isnt but you gotta take back your statement about me posting rumors.go read the damn truth book and youll get your answers.

and your saying rock put foley over is ludricous.losing a match means nothing.taker put foley over and the rock/foley feud was to put the rock over.ill even go on to say that the rock is a bit overrated in this department.the only guy he some what put over was kurt angle.if you say losing by cheating is ok then he put over jericho as well.even austin lost to jericho if i remember correctly.so did he to angle.

also ok people did not hate bischoff but you agree people hated vince and also vince portrayed his on screen evil boss persona very well.but then why didnt rock/mcmahon reach the same heights as austin/mcmahon.in early 2000 it was the sae deal.mcmahon screwing over the top face at the time.

i think that you are a bit misinformed about the business dude.try sharpening up your knowledge and then talk about it mr bull boy

ps:duh you dont know that bulls arent supposed to be that intelligent.try tooting a horn before a bull.it wont have any effect.it comes under one of the proverbs in my native language so it ok if you dont get it though.

wow, you are quite testy. your proof is a review of a book you didnt read by stone cold himself. yeah i dont take back what i said. i have given facts, you have not. you have given rumors and words written by the man who we are talking about. you also seem to like putting words in my mouth and missing what i was talking about. its pointless.

the wwe got along fine without scsa. he never established anyone unlike the rock. his promos were generic and he got over due to his props. he walked out on the company, didnt job and beat his wife. maybe he didnt beat his wife, but i wouldnt doubt it. chris benoit came after austin. i know about the business, just because i dont agree with you doesnt mean i dont. austin is probably one of the most overrated superstars ever, and he was a horses ass. this will be my last reply to you since you dont seem to like to debate. you simply do personal attacks then try to make rumors into facts. good luck with future posts on this board.

 

[Hulk Hogan's Brother]

wow, you are quite testy. your proof is a review of a book you didnt read by stone cold himself. yeah i dont take back what i said. i have given facts, you have not. you have given rumors and words written by the man who we are talking about. you also seem to like putting words in my mouth and missing what i was talking about. its pointless.

the wwe got along fine without scsa. he never established anyone unlike the rock. his promos were generic and he got over due to his props. he walked out on the company, didnt job and beat his wife. maybe he didnt beat his wife, but i wouldnt doubt it. chris benoit came after austin. i know about the business, just because i dont agree with you doesnt mean i dont. austin is probably one of the most overrated superstars ever, and he was a horses ass. this will be my last reply to you since you dont seem to like to debate. you simply do personal attacks then try to make rumors into facts. good luck with future posts on this board.

duh the book was published by wwe books and they are pretty stringent on the stuff they publish. generally if the stuff wasnt true then i guess it would not have been published as scsa says that piss poor storylines were written which is a shot on the company.

but i guess youll never agree with me.why ?? coz you think scsa is a collossal jerk.you think he is always lying and you always state "he walked out,wouldnt job,beat his wife".when in truth it is you who have no damn proof.

he didnt put anyone over.try the rock.he wasnt credible till he fought stone cold. he actually lost a feud to triple h

if you are talking about generic promos why dont you mention some of his generic promos.i dont remember them.maybe you do.the other posters might enjoy reliving them.

i know chris benoit came after scsa but that whole steroid controversy opened up a pandora box.debra mentioned in an interview that austin beating her up was roid rage(100% true fact).dont you think that it would have come up that one of the greatest superstars ever was using steroids.

and finally why is scsa overrated.for producing 7-8 five star matches.for selling the most merchandise ever.this just shows how dumb you are dude.at least try giving reasons as to why he was overrated.

at least youll agree that the stuff about his matches and merch are facts

 

[Hazardous]

wow, a classic Rock/Austin debate going on... except you both said some untrue shit in there.

people didnt hate biscoff in real life

Are you on crack?? yeah, no one left WCW because they hated bishoff and how he ran things. no one at all..

ill even go on to say that the rock is a bit overrated in this department.the only guy he some what put over was kurt angle.if you say losing by cheating is ok then he put over jericho as well.even austin lost to jericho if i remember correctly.so did he to angle.

and uhh.. who did Brock Lesnar win his first World Title from? Hell, Rock even put over the Hurricane! oh but i guess that doesnt count?

austin is probably one of the most overrated superstars ever,

really?? i think there was a Poll done about the most over rated ever, and i think his name only came up once or twice in that list out of like 50-60 names.. and they were mildly "special" people.. like.. Eugene special. Austin is the reason we had the Attitude Era. without Austin to start it, there WAS no Rock (and im a huge Rock fan too) Steve being Steve opened the doors for others to follow, including Rock, HHH, Cena, Orton.

and Brahma, you really gotta use more than the 3 things over and over. "he beat his wife, he wouldnt jobb, he walked out" who cares? thats all stuff OFF camera, this is about the character himself (believe thats been said already too) you repeated those 3 things in almost every post, but really, again, who cares? you saying you never fucked up in your life? you never said no to something others wanted you to do? hell i SUPPORTED Austin not jobbing to Brock, dont think he deserved it at that point. So Rock did, it was done, deal with it, move on. and Debra also accused her husband before of hitting her too, chick is a bitch, straight up.

Both Rock and Austin are 2 of the figure heads and in a way father figures to modern wrestling.. im not talking the 80's 'rasslin that you would watch with your grandparents, i mean the Hardcore matches, Hell in a Cell, People being themselves instead of some superhero type gimmick. priceless Promo's. in one word.. ATTITUDE.
so to sit there and argue about "he's better" "no he's a jackass" is futile and only lowers the ambition of people to post their thoughts on this thread.

 

[WWEWrestleFest]

I wasn't a fan.

I had switched over to WCW even before the nWo angle started. WWF had become too lame for me (it was Undertaker fighting his own clone that made me stop watching WWF)

I didn't start watching WWF again until the Montreal Screwjob happened and everyone was talking about that. I like Shawn Michaels and Undertaker better than Stone Cold because they were familiar faces that I recognized from back before I had stopped watching WWF. So I rooted for them over Austin.

And then there was the Rock.

When he was a heel, before he was Mr. McMahon's corporate champion. I'm talking about when he was a heel with the Nation of Domination. I was a HUGE mark for Rocky at that time. So of course I'd root for him over Austin.

And I was watching WCW around the same time as well. In '98, I would watch (and love) both shows, but I liked WCW better back then. It was until around '99 or 2000 that I felt WWF was putting on a better show. But by that time, the Rock had taken Austin's place as the top star of the company.

 

[Hulk Hogan's Brother]

wow, a classic Rock/Austin debate going on... except you both said some untrue shit in there.


Are you on crack?? yeah, no one left WCW because they hated bishoff and how he ran things. no one at all..

and uhh.. who did Brock Lesnar win his first World Title from? Hell, Rock even put over the Hurricane! oh but i guess that doesnt count?



really?? i think there was a Poll done about the most over rated ever, and i think his name only came up once or twice in that list out of like 50-60 names.. and they were mildly "special" people.. like.. Eugene special. Austin is the reason we had the Attitude Era. without Austin to start it, there WAS no Rock (and im a huge Rock fan too) Steve being Steve opened the doors for others to follow, including Rock, HHH, Cena, Orton.

and Brahma, you really gotta use more than the 3 things over and over. "he beat his wife, he wouldnt jobb, he walked out" who cares? thats all stuff OFF camera, this is about the character himself (believe thats been said already too) you repeated those 3 things in almost every post, but really, again, who cares? you saying you never fucked up in your life? you never said no to something others wanted you to do? hell i SUPPORTED Austin not jobbing to Brock, dont think he deserved it at that point. So Rock did, it was done, deal with it, move on. and Debra also accused her husband before of hitting her too, chick is a bitch, straight up.

Both Rock and Austin are 2 of the figure heads and in a way father figures to modern wrestling.. im not talking the 80's 'rasslin that you would watch with your grandparents, i mean the Hardcore matches, Hell in a Cell, People being themselves instead of some superhero type gimmick. priceless Promo's. in one word.. ATTITUDE.
so to sit there and argue about "he's better" "no he's a jackass" is futile and only lowers the ambition of people to post their thoughts on this thread.

thank you dude but i dont think there is any way this brahma bull guy is gonna agree.yeah i missed rock putting over hurricane but i still dont think that austin deserved jobbing to brock on a raw.imagine john cena losing to someone like alberto del rio all of a sudden on raw.will that happen. NO.

and i did not call anyone a jackass or for that matter called austin better than rock.im only defending austin here coz brahma bull just stated some untrue facts.just coz you think austin is overrated doesnt mean he is.im sure this brahma guy will again reply with "he beat his wife, he wouldnt jobb, he walked out".thats all he's got and that too the truthfullness of those facts isnt exactly known or the circumstances for that matter.this guy is just trying to paint a wrong picture.it seems to him that austin was living a perfect life and was in perfectly health and had no problems with crappy booking and he just walked out for the fun of it

 

[CotterHavok]

Personally, I wasn't much of a fan of the whole attitude era. I was WCW tried and true. I found Hollywood and Sting to be miles ahead of SCSA and the Rock. Austin was a redneck character which appealed to rednecks and young teens. I truly saw all things WWF as the enemy at that point.

I will admit that while I stayed with WCW to the end The Rock grew on me to the point where I would flip from TNT to USA during commercials to see what he was up to. When WCW closed it's doors for good in 2001 I was one of the of those fans that felt like they no longer had a home. I hated the fact that I either had to watch WWE or nothing at all which brings me to this next point. SCSA kept the WWF in operation through bad times but I don't think it's right to say he is the driving force behind wrestling's boom in the mainstream media. Hogan brought the WWF into the mainstream in the 80's and in the 90's he, with the help of the original nWo had a major impact on wrestlings return to the mainstream. Austin was important as well but I think he gets to much credit.

Now we have Randy Orton becoming a PG Austin and for some reason I love it. I have been an Orton fan from day one(and I mean hardcore mark style) and loved the legend killer gimick but now that he is using a gimmick similar to Austin I find myself cheering for RKO after RKO then remembering how much I thought Stunner after Stunner was stupid. Maybe I just didn't like Austin himself?

 

[Miss Flawless]

Well, I loved Stone Cold. My dad and my sister loved Stone Cold. My mom was always a Rock fan. I remember as a kid arguing with my mom about who was better, STSA or The Rock...obviously, since I was a kid, my mom said "Okay, okay, fine, STSA is better."

He was funny...even when I was a kid he made me laugh, just so entertaining.

 

[Brahma Bull]

wow, a classic Rock/Austin debate going on... except you both said some untrue shit in there.


Are you on crack?? yeah, no one left WCW because they hated bishoff and how he ran things. no one at all..

and uhh.. who did Brock Lesnar win his first World Title from? Hell, Rock even put over the Hurricane! oh but i guess that doesnt count?



really?? i think there was a Poll done about the most over rated ever, and i think his name only came up once or twice in that list out of like 50-60 names.. and they were mildly "special" people.. like.. Eugene special. Austin is the reason we had the Attitude Era. without Austin to start it, there WAS no Rock (and im a huge Rock fan too) Steve being Steve opened the doors for others to follow, including Rock, HHH, Cena, Orton.

and Brahma, you really gotta use more than the 3 things over and over. "he beat his wife, he wouldnt jobb, he walked out" who cares? thats all stuff OFF camera, this is about the character himself (believe thats been said already too) you repeated those 3 things in almost every post, but really, again, who cares? you saying you never fucked up in your life? you never said no to something others wanted you to do? hell i SUPPORTED Austin not jobbing to Brock, dont think he deserved it at that point. So Rock did, it was done, deal with it, move on. and Debra also accused her husband before of hitting her too, chick is a bitch, straight up.

Both Rock and Austin are 2 of the figure heads and in a way father figures to modern wrestling.. im not talking the 80's 'rasslin that you would watch with your grandparents, i mean the Hardcore matches, Hell in a Cell, People being themselves instead of some superhero type gimmick. priceless Promo's. in one word.. ATTITUDE.
so to sit there and argue about "he's better" "no he's a jackass" is futile and only lowers the ambition of people to post their thoughts on this thread.

whats up. i dont know how to quote each part so ill just respond and you should get the jist of it.

for people hating biscoff, workers may have left because they hated biscoff, but when i said people i meant the audience. biscoff was not hated by the fans like mr mcmahon. people hated mcmahon because of the screwjob and they used that. im sure some wrestlers hated him, but thats not what i meant.

austin is overrated. and how am i WRONG stating that? overrated is an opinion. and of course people only voted for him a few times. people hate on cena, hogan and others for being cocky and such, but it seems like austin can get away with everything on these boards. literally. i kept repeating them because i thought someone would see those things as pretty horrible. what are some high level wrestlers that did any 2 of those things. i stated in a previous post that i could actually watch and enjoy austin before these things started happening. again, sorry if i dislike wife beaters. his actions in real life caused me to dislike everything about him, including his character on tv. and i really cant believe everyone is defending him being a woman beater. he plead no contest, he may be innocent, but in the eyes of the law he is guilty. this is another reason i think he is so overrated. he can literally beat a woman, which gets men rapped in JAIL for doing, yet since he's austin, everyone says it cant be so.

and if you read my other posts you would see i did say other things. i think that his promos were all the same, and he only got over because of the fued he was given and the props (beer truck) he used. i just repeated those three things because they are the biggest. please read my posts if you are going to assert things about what i say.

and what does me fucking up have to do with anything? of course ive messed up. everyone has. i dont expect austin to be perfect, and im sure there were people that the rock screwed over. but austin is probably one of the worst offenders ive seen in wrestling, but no one acknowledges it. and of course i havent dont stuff others wanted me to do. but its his job. he is suppose to do what creative says. go tell your boss you dont want to do a report, or just walk out. see how far that gets you if your not austin.

and finally everyone, please stop saying austin started the attitude era. you could already tell it was heading in that direction. the divas started wearing less, and wrestling started getting edgier before austin. he was just given the best fued and made it work. the rock made it through on his promos. he didnt need austin. and the rock put over way more people than austin, and even the ones he beat, he raised their stock because he was great in entertaining fueds. again, i really do think that the wwe would have been fine without austin.

p.s. dont worry, ive stopped responding to him. it seems that all he can do is insult me. and while i dont mind it too much, i agree that our arguing about stuff that doesnt matter leads to people not wanting to post.

p.s.s. i dont think that the rock actually put the hurricane over. lol. he was distracted by austin and thats why he lost. it was suppose to be that he lost to a no body to help build their fued, which admitingly ill say was my favorite fued back then except for the foley rock fued.

 

[Hazardous]

for people hating biscoff, workers may have left because they hated biscoff, but when i said people i meant the audience. biscoff was not hated by the fans like mr mcmahon. people hated mcmahon because of the screwjob and they used that. im sure some wrestlers hated him, but thats not what i meant.

there was still a lot of fan's who hated bishoff as well. remember when he would read out RAW results before they aired? i thought that was one of the dirtiest, and childish acts ever. especially ruining Mick Foley's moment when he won his first world title. i hold nothing against Vince for the montreal thing, never have, it never bothered me really. and im a canadian too (say that because a lot of people like to say ALL of canada like Bret Hart)

what are some high level wrestlers that did any 2 of those things. i stated in a previous post that i could actually watch and enjoy austin before these things started happening. again, sorry if i dislike wife beaters. his actions in real life caused me to dislike everything about him, including his character on tv. and i really cant believe everyone is defending him being a woman beater. he plead no contest, he may be innocent, but in the eyes of the law he is guilty. this is another reason i think he is so overrated. he can literally beat a woman, which gets men rapped in JAIL for doing, yet since he's austin, everyone says it cant be so.

Jericho has punched a woman, mcmahon has done some horrid things to some past ones as well, batista has been acused of a few things, hogan was accused of trying to have his ex wife killed, should i go on? there have been tons, but that still does not take anything away from what they did IN THE RING. take Chris Benoit, what he did was absolutly horrible. but i still will always think of him as one of the best REAL wrestlers to ever step in the ring. always had the ability to put on some great matches, which made up for lack of promo skills.

and if you read my other posts you would see i did say other things. i think that his promos were all the same, and he only got over because of the fued he was given and the props (beer truck) he used. i just repeated those three things because they are the biggest. please read my posts if you are going to assert things about what i say.

and that differs from almost every other face of a company ever how? we dont care WHY he became the face of the company, it was what he did while he was that defines him. the character of Mr.Mcmahon is one of the most hayed heels in WWE history, due to his run in's with Austin. they helped eachother make eachother stars. but it was the FANS who made Austin huge also, as well as DX, and the Rock.

but austin is probably one of the worst offenders ive seen in wrestling, but no one acknowledges it. and of course i havent dont stuff others wanted me to do. but its his job. he is suppose to do what creative says

No. Much like how the WCW guys had creative controll, Austin and Rock amung a few others had creative controll over themselves, and so they DID get a say, how about most of the NWO members? a lot of WCW stars period were horrible for it. HHH was bad for it, but is still considered one of the best.

and finally everyone, please stop saying austin started the attitude era. you could already tell it was heading in that direction. the divas started wearing less, and wrestling started getting edgier before austin. he was just given the best fued and made it work. the rock made it through on his promos. he didnt need austin

again, no. it may have been on the line of going there, but it was the start of the "Austin Era" that put it over that line. his character was new, fresh, someone that would tell his boss to go fuck himself, where else would you have seen that? any other character? no. before Austin, rock was a Mid-card talent. much like the Miz today. but it was that one major angle working with austin that pushed him to the main event. as you can tell from my name, im a huge Rock fan, the most entertaining wrestler ever IMO, but i can admit that he would not be where he is in the history books without Austin. even in his Book he says how working with Steve Austin was one of the greatest things of wrestling, that he was a great guy. i will believe the WWE talent over something one woman says. Steve was loved in the back, and by 90% or more of the fans, so yes, you can state your opinion that YOU dont like him, but you need to realize that it WONT be a popular decision, and you WILL be picked apart for it.

 

[greg_74]

So after reading this thread I have gathered that people who didn't like Stone Cold where: 1. Big Rock fans (understandable) 2. Had switched over to WCW and weren't watching WWF as much as many some others or 3. Had a problem with his personal life.

I however do not fit into this Austin hating crew as Stone Cold is my favorite wrestler of all time and probably always will be. I started watching wrestling in 1998 when Austin was at his best and 1998-2001ish are the glory years of wrestling for me. When I started watching Austin and Taker were my favorites and to this day along with Orton and The Rock those 4 are my all time favorites. I was a big Rock fan too but when they went one on one, I had to cheer for Austin. Looking back did he do the best job of putting other guys over? Probably not but if he's the top guy in the company you don't want him losing all the time just to put over other guys. As far as things similiar to Cena? Yeah they have a few moves that they do/did to get the crowd into it all the time but its hard to say they were like the same guy because Austin had the whole DTA thing and did his own thing where Cena always seems like he is trying to be the peacemaker and "do the right thing" along with other differences. Much of this is probably defined by the eras they wrestled in.

One thing though, whether we loved him (the majority) or those that didn't care for him, its hard to deny that there will be anyone like him again.

 

[Jackal960]

I think what we are comparing here are the gimmicks of the wrestlers not the wrestler as a human. So if we are talking about the Rock we are talking about the Rock not Dwayne Johnson. I watched his unedited Hall of Fame speech, and you can tell its not even close to any of his promos. So when we talk about SCSA i shouldn't care about his backstage or real life situation because it won't change how good or how bad of a wrestler he is.

Austin did start Attitude Era, even if you like it or not. It's like Hogan starting to increase the popularity of the business in 80's. You can't say Hogan was around and WWE was going to become popular anyway. If there was someone else, why would WWE wait for Austin? Why WWE couldn't beat WCW until Austin-McMahon match (which was supposed to happen at one of the episodes)? How come things started with Raw is War episodes and (coincidentally!) when Austin lost to Bret Hart in his infamous match all happening at the same time. That was the official start of the Attitude Era, theser are the times when you started to hear swearings, and changes in storylines. They even had to delay things for a while when Austin sidelined due to neck injury. Others were always there but Austin bring the "it" factor which triggered lots of things. Austin wasn't just around, he was the start of it, i would highly doubt if WWE would be successful without him being there.

I like the Rock way more than SCSA, but SCSA was the start of the Attitude Era, so whether anyone likes him or not this fact doesn't change.

 

[WWEWrestleFest]

Hogan brought the WWF into the mainstream in the 80's and in the 90's he, with the help of the original nWo had a major impact on wrestlings return to the mainstream. Austin was important as well but I think he gets to much credit.

I agree with that. The nWo would have been a cool tag-team with just the Outsiders, but it wouldn't have changed the wrestling world the way Hogan joining the group did. The nWo and WCW made wrestling mainstream again after the steroid scandal of the early 90's. In the late 90's, tons of mainstream magazines did articles on wrestling's then popularity and they almost always had Hogan on the cover. Before WWF got Mike Tyson, WCW got Dennis Rodman and Karl Malone. If Hollywood Hogan and the nWo never happened, Vince Mcmahon would have never allowed a character like Stone Cold to be the face of the company. They'd have still been using characters like Doink the Clown and Adam Bomb.

That's not to say that Austin wasn't important. He represented a demographic that the nWo didn't: red states. WCW was the southern promotion, and the nWo represented the opposite. If you look up old footage, like youtube Outsiders vs. Steiners from SuperBrawl 1998, that event is in California, and the crowd is CLEARLY behind the nWo. When the nWo were in blue states, they got cheered. They were booed in the red states. Sure, the southerners had Sting and Goldberg to cheer for, but Austin was more relatable to them. He WAS them.