College Football LD 10/11/2008

[Mighty NorCal]

and he's been successful.

He makes good decisions, he barely hurts FLA with bad decisions.

can you read?? are you illiterate??? Its easy to make "good" decisions when everyone is wide open. Its the system. the same system that prodcude Vince Young, and Alex Smith. HELLO

 

[FromTheSouth]

Ok, Brett Favre has had no one since Sterling Sharpe got hurt and broken every record.

He had Robert Ferguson, ok, Donald Driver, ok, Mark Chmura, ok.

Has Vince even had one ok guy?

Roydell Williams? Justin Gage?

 

[FromTheSouth]

Lou Holtz is going senile. He just gave Vince Young Reggie Bush's Heisman.

 

[FromTheSouth]

If anyone is watching, extra innings in Tampa.

 

[Mighty NorCal]

Ok, Brett Favre has had no one since Sterling Sharpe got hurt and broken every record.

He had Robert Ferguson, ok, Donald Driver, ok, Mark Chmura, ok.

Has Vince even had one ok guy?

Roydell Williams? Justin Gage?

he makes terrible decisions and throws behind wide open receivers. I didnt say he was terrible base don anything other than missing wide open receivers and making shit bucket decisions. neither has anything to do with his receivers.

 

[FromTheSouth]

Let's go the other way. We can argue Big 12 or SEC till we're blue in the face.


Worst conference of the big 6....

ACC or Big East?

 

[Mighty NorCal]

If anyone is watching, extra innings in Tampa.

watching Oregon Vs UCLA

 

[FromTheSouth]

he makes terrible decisions and throws behind wide open receivers. I didnt say he was terrible base don anything other than missing wide open receivers and making shit bucket decisions. neither has anything to do with his receivers.

You got me there. But he's shown flashes of gre.....goodness.

The position of Devil's advocate is now open for new applicants.

 

[FromTheSouth]

That was a sick pick. Fuck the flag, that was pure athleticism.

 

[BooCocky]

you're obviously blind, Tebow is a QB capable of playing in any style of Offense, thats why he was heavily recruited.

You can never judge a QB when the team around him was utter crap. Smith got drafted too San Fran, they sucked, and 3-4 yrs later they still suck. they have no receivers, a mediocre defense, and a solid running game. the QB can only do so much. When Michael Vick went to ATL he had nothing, and years later ATL really has nothing but they improved. Matt Ryan has a target to throw the ball too. Something Vick never did.

Vince Young went to Tennessee, he has no receivers, he was given an offense and made to run with it. Since the Young draft Tennessee hasnt improved theri receiving core. Do you see why Collins doesnt put up flashy numbers? Because he has no receivers. He has a running game and a strong defense. you Put Vince Young and and they'd still be undefeated.

Now Back to Tebow, he has all the ability to make a good QB, he has size, his pocket awareness is good, he has decent mechanics, and he can stand in the pocket, so i dont know where you're heading with this.

Besides the majority of College Football is option or spread offense, So Meyers is just keeping up with the rest of collegiate sports. Every QB in the last several years would like up and shotgun and sling the ball across field.. The only QB to really play in a pro style system has been Brady Quinn and he's sitting behind a guy who use to line up in shotgun and sling the ball from left to right down after down.

 

[Mighty NorCal]

you know who Vince Young had?? the same guys Kerry Collins has. And they are one of the best teams in the NFL now. pretty clear indication there.

 

[klunderbunker]

Now Back to Tebow, he has all the ability to make a good QB, he has size, his pocket awareness is good, he has decent mechanics, and he can stand in the pocket, so i dont know where you're heading with this.

Same could be said about Joey Harrington. It worked in college, bombed in the pros.

 

[BooCocky]

yes and what has Kerry Collins been doing? Handing the ball off to White and Johnson, and leaving the game in the defenses hand. Giving that offense a short field to work with.

 

[FromTheSouth]

you know who Vince Young had?? the same guys Kerry Collins has. And they are one of the best teams in the NFL now. pretty clear indication there.

OK, Collins is throwing for like 135 yards a game. Not exactly lighting the world on fire.

 

[Mighty NorCal]

you're obviously blind, Tebow is a QB capable of playing in any style of Offense, thats why he was heavily recruited.

You can never judge a QB when the team around him was utter crap. Smith got drafted too San Fran, they sucked, and 3-4 yrs later they still suck. they have no receivers, a mediocre defense, and a solid running game. the QB can only do so much. When Michael Vick went to ATL he had nothing, and years later ATL really has nothing but they improved. Matt Ryan has a target to throw the ball too. Something Vick never did.

Vince Young went to Tennessee, he has no receivers, he was given an offense and made to run with it. Since the Young draft Tennessee hasnt improved theri receiving core. Do you see why Collins doesnt put up flashy numbers? Because he has no receivers. He has a running game and a strong defense. you Put Vince Young and and they'd still be undefeated.

Now Back to Tebow, he has all the ability to make a good QB, he has size, his pocket awareness is good, he has decent mechanics, and he can stand in the pocket, so i dont know where you're heading with this.

Besides the majority of College Football is option or spread offense, So Meyers is just keeping up with the rest of collegiate sports. Every QB in the last several years would like up and shotgun and sling the ball across field.. The only QB to really play in a pro style system has been Brady Quinn and he's sitting behind a guy who use to line up in shotgun and sling the ball from left to right down after down.

I just love the "well look at the team" argument. this would all be beautiful brian if it wasnt for one thing.

The Niners are far better with the same players, but JT O sullivan at QB

The Falcons are leading their division and beat Green Bay at lambeu with Matt Ryan, with the same players

And The Titans are one of the best teams in the league, with the same players as Vince Young had to work with, but with Kerry Collins at QB.

wanna try again??

And no. Urban Meyer popularized the spread read option by being a Giant killer at Utah. the rest of college football caught up to HIM. Mack Brown himself said he modeled his offense around what Urban Meyer did.

Wrong again.

 

[BooCocky]

Same could be said about Joey Harrington. It worked in college, bombed in the pros.

not really, if i can recall Harrington only had one great year in College.

 

[Mighty NorCal]

yes and what has Kerry Collins been doing? Handing the ball off to White and Johnson, and leaving the game in the defenses hand. Giving that offense a short field to work with.

which is what they needed from young. and here we are, a good ol 68.7 qb rating later

 

[klunderbunker]

Sounds like Teabow last year. This year, he's ok but not great.

 

[Mighty NorCal]

not really, if i can recall Harrington only had one great year in College.

hmmm...and what offense was it he ran at Oregon???


everyone all together now....

 

[FromTheSouth]

which is what they needed from young. and here we are, a good ol 68.7 qb rating later

Kerry Collins qb rating is 72.1.

Your argument for Collins being a massive improvement fails on your own stat.

I can however get with "they both suck."

 

[FromTheSouth]

hmmm...and what offense was it he ran at Oregon???


everyone all together now....

Shotgun run n shoot, a bastard child of a June Jones offinse. the offense that made Warren Moon an NFL hall of famer.

 

[FromTheSouth]

These Titans remind me of the Ravens 2000-2001 team. And both Vince and Kerry Collins bring more to the table than superbowl champion Trent Dilfer.

 

[klunderbunker]

One thing to factor in about Collins and the Titans- Their opponents combined record is 6-17. He's been good so far, but I think it'll drop fast. Neither are great, but Collins has been better so far.

 

[Mighty NorCal]

Kerry Collins qb rating is 72.1.

Your argument for Collins being a massive improvement fails on your own stat.

I can however get with "they both suck."

which is still better than Vince Young. and he matches him on the vince supporter OH so bullshit stat of "just wins games".

try 5-0

 

[BooCocky]

I just love the "well look at the team" argument. this would all be beautiful brian if it wasnt for one thing.

The Niners are far better with the same players, but JT O sullivan at QB

The Falcons are leading their division and beat Green Bay at lambeu with Matt Ryan, with the same players

And The Titans are one of the best teams in the league, with the same players as Vince Young had to work with, but with Kerry Collins at QB.

wanna try again??

And no. Urban Meyer popularized the spread read option by being a Giant killer at Utah. the rest of college football caught up to HIM. Mack Brown himself said he modeled his offense around what Urban Meyer did.

Wrong again.

Yeah the same team where Collins is throwing the ball 15 times a game.

Besides, remember when VIck beat GB at home in the playoffs? The same Vick who destroyed that game by himself.

Yeah and the same San Francisco team who has beaten Seattle and Detroit.

What Meyers did was play to his strength. When Meyers had Smith, his play calling would be short passes, and dumpoffs and little option routes. With Tebow he is opening up with more passes downfield.

Tebows been throwing lights out since High School and it shouldnt stop now.