CM Punk's Face Turn

[CmPunker]

I liked SES Punk better at least that was unique and entertaining. Nexus Punk was mediocre and his last heel run was just bad that it was worthy of being joke of the year. It was just awkward to watch him try so hard to play the role of the main villain. The best he could come up with was "demand respect" from the fans really? Can you say cliche?

Thank god to WWE for making the right decision by making him face again so he can finally put over the newer guys especially The Shield and Curtis or even Fandango in the future.

Also, now we can have more interesting feuds after he's done with Lesnar not the same rivalries of Punk vs Cena or HHH or Taker(lol @ whoever came up with this)

thats your opinion about what punk's gimmick u liked best..

but seriously, u want cm punk to put over fandango and curtis axel? that is so fucking embarassing and downgrading. cm punk is one of the best mic workers in wwe right now. why would u treat him like shit?

same rivalries would be worth it if it put over punk. because i want cm punk to be at legend status, juts like hbk, the rock, cena, undertaker.

 

[Indylover2013]

Sorry but, Punk as a heel was just so generic and dull. I can even make a list of names who was more interesting with the generic cocky heel character, hell, I'll even admit that even The Miz as a heel was so much better than Punk, lol....

Punk as a face has a lot more potential imo. At least he has the support of both the adult and young audience unlike Cena.

I truly believe that WWE made the right move making him face. Just wait and see.

I agree with you, although Cm punk was a great heel, once upon a time. I wouldn't go as as saying The Miz was a better heel though. That's too far. However, cm punk's recent heel run made me cringe a bit at some points which is kind of painful and sad to say since Cm punk as always been one of favorite heels of all time. Idk, maybe it was because he was with Heyman, who I have NEVER liked.

 

[Desyar]

thats your opinion about what punk's gimmick u liked best..

but seriously, u want cm punk to put over fandango and curtis axel? that is so fucking embarassing and downgrading. cm punk is one of the best mic workers in wwe right now. why would u treat him like shit?

Because it's good for business? Putting over newer stars is essential for WWE's future. Lol, for someone who keeps talking about what's good for business you don't seem to know much. And the fact that you think it's degrading for someone to put over other stars just shows how much lack of knowledge you have regarding the business. Punk has been given too much already, it's time for him to give back and he and the WWE knows it thus the face turn.

same rivalries would be worth it if it put over punk. because i want cm punk to be at legend status, juts like hbk, the rock, cena, undertaker.

Lmfao, exactly it's what you want not the WWE.

I suggest playing WWE 13. There's a feature there where you could make your own story lines, you can have your badass heel Punk there and other fantasies that you have, rofl.

 

[CmPunker]

Because it's good for business? Putting over newer stars is essential for WWE's future. Lol, for someone who keeps talking about what's good for business you don't seem to know much. And the fact that you think it's degrading for someone to put over other stars just shows how much lack of knowledge you have regarding the business. Punk has been given too much already, it's time for him to give back and he and the WWE knows it thus the face turn.

I agree that its good for business, but why does cm punk have to put over the talent? john cena has been on top longer than cm punk, isnt it time for cena to give back?? cm punk has only been on top for 2 years, cena has been on top for 8 years, i dont understand why punk has to do it instead of cena.

Lmfao, exactly it's what you want not the WWE.

because the wwe creative team is stupid.

I suggest playing WWE 13. There's a feature there where you could make your own story lines, you can have your badass heel Punk there and other fantasies that you have, rofl.

no, i have read the reviews for wwe games and they have not been too pleasant. ppl complained about lag on the online mode and also it looks like the same thing every year, just sight roster changes. i was never a fan of the gameplay anyways..

 

[MCMG]

dude, u are so ignorant. look at money in the bank 2010, the wwe championship match, sheamus vs john cena, was the main event. money in the bank 2011, john cena vs cm punk was the main event.. why should the raw mitb match main event over the championship match? it doesnt make sense from a business perspective. dont u want to create suspense that the winner will cash in?

you obviously dont know jack shit about business. john cena main eventing over cm punk devalues the championship because the champion should always main event.. from a booking perspective, it shows a lack of faith on cm punk and from a business perspective, it devalues the championship. it doesnt mean nothing, it just doesnt mean as much as it used to be.

I never said that there was a precedent for the MITB closing the show: I was saying that I have no issues with it. It is called the Money In The Bank ppv. My opinion is that one of those matches should close the show. It obviously helped that Cena was winning it. For example, on Sunday I think that the WWE title MITB to close the show. There would be a guaranteed face standing with the briefcase. It makes perfect sense.

Cena only questionably main-evented two PPV's ahead of Punk. I really do think it devalued the belt. I feel that it doesn't show a lack of faith in Punk but merely how great and popular John Cena is. Cena > Punk. That is that. Punk is very good but they wanted Cena to close Over the Limit and No Way Out.

 

[CmPunker]

I never said that there was a precedent for the MITB closing the show: I was saying that I have no issues with it. It is called the Money In The Bank ppv. My opinion is that one of those matches should close the show. It obviously helped that Cena was winning it. For example, on Sunday I think that the WWE title MITB to close the show. There would be a guaranteed face standing with the briefcase. It makes perfect sense.

Cena only questionably main-evented two PPV's ahead of Punk. I really do think it devalued the belt. I feel that it doesn't show a lack of faith in Punk but merely how great and popular John Cena is. Cena > Punk. That is that. Punk is very good but they wanted Cena to close Over the Limit and No Way Out.

Whatever man, u can keep on being ignorant if u want, but the fact is that all the previous mitbs closed with the championship match, not the mitb match.. but the only exception was if cena was winning it? what the fuck ? never knew cena kisses ass to a whole new level.

cena main evented more than 2 ppvs over cm punk.. the ppvs he main evented actually had an excuse and justification, with the exception of fucking no way out and fucking over the limit.. there were no excsues for those matches to main event over cm punk.. cena is not better than cm punk. definitely not. cm punk had more character change in 6 months than cena did in 8 years, and thats saying something because john cena does the same old shit. every time. same old shit!

 

[Desyar]

I agree that its good for business, but why does cm punk have to put over the talent? john cena has been on top longer than cm punk, isnt it time for cena to give back?? cm punk has only been on top for 2 years, cena has been on top for 8 years, i dont understand why punk has to do it instead of cena.

Because we both know how much the WWE loves John Cena and he's had a rough 2012 so it's pretty obvious that Cena's gonna be winning a lot this year.

And with the amount of new heels we have right now including the Wyatt Family who just debuted I believe it's only a matter of time before Punk puts some of them over.

because the wwe creative team is stupid.

True. But your cliche ideas aren't any better, no offense.

no, i have read the reviews for wwe games and they have not been too pleasant. ppl complained about lag on the online mode and also it looks like the same thing every year, just sight roster changes. i was never a fan of the gameplay anyways..

Of course WWE 13's bad. Punk was on the cover, what did you expect?

JAY KAY

 

[MCMG]

Whatever man, u can keep on being ignorant if u want, but the fact is that all the previous mitbs closed with the championship match, not the mitb match.. but the only exception was if cena was winning it? what the fuck ? never knew cena kisses ass to a whole new level.

cena main evented more than 2 ppvs over cm punk.. the ppvs he main evented actually had an excuse and justification, with the exception of fucking no way out and fucking over the limit.. there were no excsues for those matches to main event over cm punk.. cena is not better than cm punk. definitely not. cm punk had more character change in 6 months than cena did in 8 years, and thats saying something because john cena does the same old shit. every time. same old shit!

So what are your opinions on this weeks Raw. We saw Daniel Bryan, CM Punk and Randy Orton close the show. Cena's segment involving the WWE championship was done in the first half. If Punk was champ and Cena was in the MITB; you would be complaining. You would be saying that the WWE are kissing Cena's ass.

I think the WWE title MITB will close the show on Sunday. Cena won't.

 

[Chris "The Show" Adams]

CMPunker you are a down right idiot. Get over yourself and get off this sight you make me want to never login again because i feel as if i lose IQ points just reading your garbage. You say Cena should lose to younger stars and put them over but CM Punk shouldnt put over someone like Axel?! Shut the fuck up man your logic, opinion, and grammar are all flawed and for the sake of every intelligent human being on this site you should be locked in a rubber room before your idiocy spreads.

 

[CmPunker]

So what are your opinions on this weeks Raw. We saw Daniel Bryan, CM Punk and Randy Orton close the show. Cena's segment involving the WWE championship was done in the first half. If Punk was champ and Cena was in the MITB; you would be complaining. You would be saying that the WWE are kissing Cena's ass.

I think the WWE title MITB will close the show on Sunday. Cena won't.

good, but dont judge before you see the ppv. wwe can swerve us by making cena main event.. but so far, if they continue the decision with the raw mitb main eventing, i will be happy.

CMPunker you are a down right idiot. Get over yourself and get off this sight you make me want to never login again because i feel as if i lose IQ points just reading your garbage. You say Cena should lose to younger stars and put them over but CM Punk shouldnt put over someone like Axel?! Shut the fuck up man your logic, opinion, and grammar are all flawed and for the sake of every intelligent human being on this site you should be locked in a rubber room before your idiocy spreads.

someone like axel has no credibility. for a person with no credibility to feud with punk would be such a downgrade.. john cena has been on top for 8 years and has been handed everything. cm punk actually earned his position in the wwe. why would cm punk downgrade himself AGAIN? he worked so hard to get to main event status. it should be john cena giving back to the wwe.

 

[CmPunker]

Because we both know how much the WWE loves John Cena and he's had a rough 2012 so it's pretty obvious that Cena's gonna be winning a lot this year.

And with the amount of new heels we have right now including the Wyatt Family who just debuted I believe it's only a matter of time before Punk puts some of them over.


True. But your cliche ideas aren't any better, no offense.



Of course WWE 13's bad. Punk was on the cover, what did you expect?

JAY KAY

i dont want cm punk to put over a bunch of nobodies over.. at least build them up first before you make cm punk lose credibility.. why the fuck should cm punk build them up? hes the future of the company. only 34 years old, been on top for only 2 years.. cena has been on top for 8 years for fucking sake, he has main evented wrestlemanai, he was given everything like a spoiled brat.. cm punk earned his position.. why shouldnt cena put them over instead of punk?

 

[Desyar]

i dont want cm punk to put over a bunch of nobodies over.. at least build them up first before you make cm punk lose credibility..

Again, it's not about what you want. It's what WWE wants and what's best for business. And surely if it were up to you. WWE today would be worse than TNA, lol.

why the fuck should cm punk build them up? hes the future of the company. only 34 years old, been on top for only 2 years.. cena has been on top for 8 years for fucking sake, he has main evented wrestlemanai, he was given everything like a spoiled brat.. cm punk earned his position.. why shouldnt cena put them over instead of punk?

Because we both know how much the WWE loves John Cena and he's had a rough 2012 so it's pretty obvious that Cena's gonna be winning a lot this year.

And with the amount of new heels we have right now including the Wyatt Family who just debuted I believe it's only a matter of time before Punk puts some of them over.

Hi, I heard reading is very hard.

 

[CmPunker]

Again, it's not about what you want. It's what WWE wants and what's best for business. And surely if it were up to you. WWE today would be worse than TNA, lol.






Hi, I heard reading is very hard.

I really hope that they so not waste cm punk on cuRTIX AXEL. There is nothing appealing about HIM, NO MIC SKILLS NO CHARISMA, NO RING SKILLS. CM PUNK IS a massive draw, why would WWE waste him on this birch... John cena is WWE champion and guess what, ratings are BARELY 3.0.. guess what, cm punk was advertised for smackdown last week and viewership improved. John cena is not the draw he used to be in 2006. He.is way staked and less over and lost steam as a top face.. it is time to step down and let others shine. he will not be here forever. this is going to be the better move for BUSINESS.

 

[Desyar]

I really hope that they so not waste cm punk on cuRTIX AXEL. There is nothing appealing about HIM, NO MIC SKILLS NO CHARISMA, NO RING SKILLS. CM PUNK IS a massive draw, why would WWE waste him on this birch... John cena is WWE champion and guess what, ratings are BARELY 3.0.. guess what, cm punk was advertised for smackdown last week and viewership improved. John cena is not the draw he used to be in 2006. He.is way staked and less over and lost steam as a top face.. it is time to step down and let others shine. he will not be here forever. this is going to be the better move for BUSINESS.

Don't talk about ratings when ratings was so bad during Punk's reign including the lowest rating in 15 years.

And you talk as if the age difference between Punk and Cena's that huge when John Cena's only 2 year older.

And again you talk as if you know anything about business.

John Cena = money. Just look at his merchandise sales.

 

[CmPunker]

Don't talk about ratings when ratings was so bad during Punk's reign including the lowest rating in 15 years.

And you talk as if the age difference between Punk and Cena's that huge when John Cena's only 2 year older.

And again you talk as if you know anything about business.

John Cena = money. Just look at his merchandise sales.

How can u blame punk for the bad ratings.. he was not even the focus of the show. Itwas john cena taki.g up the spotlight and he should be blame for the bullshit.

Because I do know about business... It is called being smart.. cm punk is younger than john cena and 2 years is a lot. At cenas work rate. He won't be around for long because of injuries, thank godness!! I hope he is injured.. meanwhile cm punk will be around when cena is injured.

Cm punk has already surpassed cena merchandise sales.. I read an article like 2 years ago that punk surpassed him.

 

[Desyar]

Because I do know about business... It is called being smart

Sorry but LOL!!!!!!!!

Cm punk has already surpassed cena merchandise sales.. I read an article like 2 years ago that punk surpassed him.

An article by Wrestlezone without proof. I believe it's called a "rumor"

And someone from ESPN reported that John Cena gross of $106 million. And ESPN hasn't mentioned anything about CM Punk's gross cause it probably wasn't a big deal.

Which one's a more reliable source? Rofl.

I hate Cena but let's not lie to ourselves mmkay?

 

[Terry Gyimah]

It would be better if they hadn't rushed his face turn right away but rather it would have been better if he were still heel when he first came back at Payback only for him to gradually turn face weeks after Payback leading into a full-blown face turn directly after Money in the Bank

 

[CmPunker]

Sorry but LOL!!!!!!!!



An article by Wrestlezone without proof. I believe it's called a "rumor"

And someone from ESPN reported that John Cena gross of $106 million. And ESPN hasn't mentioned anything about CM Punk's gross cause it probably wasn't a big deal.

Which one's a more reliable source? Rofl.

I hate Cena but let's not lie to ourselves mmkay?

What do u expect. Cm punk has only been on top for two years whike cena has for eight years.. give punk six more years and he will outdraw john fucker. And why woukd u trust espn anyways they are not reliable

 

[Desyar]

What do u expect. Cm punk has only been on top for two years whike cena has for eight years.. give punk six more years and he will outdraw john fucker. And why woukd u trust espn anyways they are not reliable

And I'm supposed to trust news that ONLY WZ reported? No thanks.
Nothing against this site but their "sources" have been wrong numerous times.

Of course I'd pay more attention to the news by ESPN. A company with over 10+ cable channels.

Don't worry, man. Soon Punk will be put to good use. He'll be putting over guys like Curtis and FANDANGOOO

 

[CmPunker]

And I'm supposed to trust news that ONLY WZ reported? No thanks.
Nothing against this site but their "sources" have been wrong numerous times.

Of course I'd pay more attention to the news by ESPN. A company with over 10+ cable channels.

Don't worry, man. Soon Punk will be put to good use. He'll be putting over guys like Curtis and FANDANGOOO

wrestlezone has actually reported correct things.. they correctly reported undertaker vs cm punk, lesnar vs hhh, and rock vs cena during this wrestlemania.. im sure there are more, i just cant think of them on the top of my head.

espn is fucking bullshit man. they are not wwe fans, they are fucking basketball and football fans, how can we trust them? they are in a completely different world.

curtis axel is barely credible, punk feuding with him would be disgraceful.. fandango is even less credible, hes a fucking comedy gimmick and a fucking comedy wrestler, nobody will take him seriously if he was in the main event. and cm punk will feud with a comedy wrestler? fucking disgraceful.. u cannot do that to cm punk, a top draw. u cannot put a top draw into a feud with comedy fandango. what you put is JOHN FUCKING CENA in feud with fandango and let others shine..

remember in the attitude, era, there was a very small gap for the #1 face of company and #2 face of company. right now, there is a HUGE gap between cm punk and john cena and that is because wwe is so fucking stupid andl ove to kiss john cna's ass.. why cant they make them more equal????????? like stone cold and the rock, undertaker, shawn michaels, triple h, booker T, kurt angle, ALL them were similar levels, sharing the #1 spot. john cena does not share his #1 spot, because he is selfish. he hog the #1 spot all to himself.. why cannot things be like the atitude era aginan?

 

[Desyar]

wrestlezone has actually reported correct things.. they correctly reported undertaker vs cm punk, lesnar vs hhh, and rock vs cena during this wrestlemania.. im sure there are more, i just cant think of them on the top of my head.

espn is fucking bullshit man. they are not wwe fans, they are fucking basketball and football fans, how can we trust them? they are in a completely different world.

curtis axel is barely credible, punk feuding with him would be disgraceful.. fandango is even less credible, hes a fucking comedy gimmick and a fucking comedy wrestler, nobody will take him seriously if he was in the main event. and cm punk will feud with a comedy wrestler? fucking disgraceful.. u cannot do that to cm punk, a top draw. u cannot put a top draw into a feud with comedy fandango. what you put is JOHN FUCKING CENA in feud with fandango and let others shine..

remember in the attitude, era, there was a very small gap for the #1 face of company and #2 face of company. right now, there is a HUGE gap between cm punk and john cena and that is because wwe is so fucking stupid andl ove to kiss john cna's ass.. why cant they make them more equal????????? like stone cold and the rock, undertaker, shawn michaels, triple h, booker T, kurt angle, ALL them were similar levels, sharing the #1 spot. john cena does not share his #1 spot, because he is selfish. he hog the #1 spot all to himself.. why cannot things be like the atitude era aginan?

but i want punk to put over curtis axel and fandango so they can be legend status liek hhh, taker, austin and the rock. i meen fandango is 3 years younger than punk and his already won a wm match. his already on his way to the top and curtis is 1 year younger than punk and hes already beaten hhh 3 times

 

[CmPunker]

but i want punk to put over curtis axel and fandango so they can be legend status liek hhh, taker, austin and the rock. i meen fandango is 3 years younger than punk and his already won a wm match. his already on his way to the top and curtis is 1 year younger than punk and hes already beaten hhh 3 times

what the fuck? cm punk actually deserves to be a legend.. he is very talented and if youre going to put that much effort into him, might as well go all the fucking way!

fandango does not matter.. he has no charisma, no mic skills, and no in ring skills.. even his physique isnt that impressive. what good thing does he have going forh im? he doesn't scream "massive draw" like cm punk does.

curtis axel is the same thing.. horrible physique, god damn his mic skills are oneo f the worst on the roster, he has one of the least charismas on the roster.. he has average in ring skills.. the only thing that is helping him out is paul heyman, triple h, and the fact of being the mr. perfet's son. that is all. hes being handed everything like a spoiled brat. thank goodness he lost to jericho this week, hope he gets his fucker ass buried.. god damn, even with paul heyman, even with all this push he has been getitng, he stil doesnt get a slight reaction..

 

[Desyar]

what the fuck? cm punk actually deserves to be a legend.. he is very talented and if youre going to put that much effort into him, might as well go all the fucking way!

fandango does not matter.. he has no charisma, no mic skills, and no in ring skills.. even his physique isnt that impressive. what good thing does he have going forh im? he doesn't scream "massive draw" like cm punk does.

curtis axel is the same thing.. horrible physique, god damn his mic skills are oneo f the worst on the roster, he has one of the least charismas on the roster.. he has average in ring skills.. the only thing that is helping him out is paul heyman, triple h, and the fact of being the mr. perfet's son. that is all. hes being handed everything like a spoiled brat. thank goodness he lost to jericho this week, hope he gets his fucker ass buried.. god damn, even with paul heyman, even with all this push he has been getitng, he stil doesnt get a slight reaction..

but fandango is 3 yrs younger than punk which menas hes the futurre of wwe and curtis axel is the new paul heyman guy and hes already beaten the man who cm punk failed to beat hhh so i think its good for business to put them over cause they are so much younger than punk and shud be legend status like hhh, taker, the rock, stiv austin

can punk dance like fandango? i dont think so

is punk related to mr. perfect like curtis axel?

thes 2 shud be legend status like taker and hhh cus theyr so much younger and better than punk an punk actually took 6 years to matter in wwe HAHA

 

[CmPunker]

but fandango is 3 yrs younger than punk which menas hes the futurre of wwe and curtis axel is the new paul heyman guy and hes already beaten the man who cm punk failed to beat hhh so i think its good for business to put them over cause they are so much younger than punk and shud be legend status like hhh, taker, the rock, stiv austin

can punk dance like fandango? i dont think so

is punk related to mr. perfect like curtis axel?

thes 2 shud be legend status like taker and hhh cus theyr so much younger and better than punk an punk actually took 6 years to matter in wwe HAHA

age maens nothing if u are not talented at all.. u need to have the talent to back it up, otherwise it means nothing. curtis axel is a spoiled brat.. cm punk earned his position and he is a legitimate draw.. curtis axel never pinned triple h. he had some really fluke victories. 1st time was because triple h suffered a concussion from triple h, 2nd time was some controversial because vince mcmahon interfered.

dancing will get u nowhere except comedy.

look at ted dibase and cody rhodes. where are they now? once again, u neeed to have the talent to back up your relations.. otherwise just make u a spoiled brat

 

[Clutch]

yes it would. cena isnt a big enough star to put people over. he put over miz in the main event of wrestlemania, now look what happened to him. if undertaker and hhh put punk over, it is a whole different story.

jericho is a jobber to the stars. beating him doesnt mean shit. ryback is a newcomer, beating him also doesnt mean as much as beating hhh or taker.

he was overshadowed by john cena for half of his title reign. john cena always main evented over him, which is fucking bullshit cuz punk is the champion. cena is devaluing the championship. so the reign should be split in half because only half of it actually mattered.

punk still needs some work to do before he can become a established main event star. he needs to go over someone HUGE. either HHH, taker, or lesnar, maybe bring hbk back to put over cm punk. maybe cm punk can make randy orton tap out, put him over in a huge way

This BEGGED to be taken apart as it's completely ridiculous logic.

Cena, no matter how many people hate him, is the FACE of WWE right now and is probably the most over, if split reaction of any guy on the full time roster. To say he's not a big enough star clearly shows bias rather then actual fact.

Ryback is a newcomer that also post jobbing to Punk has had his character buried in bad booking and storylines, even the run with Cena buried Ryback further as Ryback was forced to get on the mic, which is determental to him as he simply can't talk.

To dismiss Jericho as a jobber is ridiculous as well cause the man is still widely popular, drawing and a great worker that Vince and the booking commitee can put with someone in need of a boost in order to get a decent reaction and maybe gate out of. This man who also if you have might forgotten in his intial return to WWE fueded with JBL that drew no interest and then suddenly had one of the hottest angles in the company with HBK, he also did something similar with Punk a year back and drew significant heat.....Jericho is also on his own chosen schedule these days and doesn't need to be in a hot fued ever month to be usable

Yes, Cena was pushed over him, that to the nature of this new enviroment in the WWE where all titles have been devalued....they have been since the Invasion angle where new titles from WCW were thrown into WWE as well as creating a bloated roster....that's just what you have to deal with these days.

However WWE can be credited with trying to make Punk's title reign impressive with the length of the run and the fact they STILL use that as a selling point when discussing him, as he does in his promos. Also dispite the nature of WWE crowds being dead a fair bit of the time, he is also one of the most wildly popular men as face or heel in the company....to say he is not over during this face run is rather idiotic.

Punk hasn't yet established his turn yet, he's in the process of doing so....and this fued with Lesnar will solidfy that turn, guaranteed.