CM Punk's Face Turn

[Desyar]

cena isnt a big enough star to put people over.

john cena always main evented over him

Sorry but you are just contradicting yourself.

Cena not being big enough star?... I don't even know what to say. I mean I understand that Cena's hated by IWC community and I hate him too but for you to say that is just lol...

Sheamus has beaten HHH. How over is he right now? Oh right he was on a Payback's pre-show with Damien. How is beating Triple H any different again?

I understand that you're very unhappy with Punk being face but c'mon.. lmfao. This is just too funny.

Punk's here to stay face like it or not.

Oh and he's going to be putting over newer guys like Curtis and the Shield.

It's bound to happen

 

[CmPunker]

Sorry but you are just contradicting yourself.

Cena not being big enough star?... I don't even know what to say. I mean I understand that Cena's hated by IWC community and I hate him too but for you to say that is just lol...

Sheamus has beaten HHH. How over is he right now? Oh right he was on a Payback's pre-show with Damien. How is beating Triple H any different again?

I understand that you're very unhappy with Punk being face but c'mon.. lmfao. This is just too funny.

Punk's here to stay face like it or not.

Oh and he's going to be putting over newer guys like Curtis and the Shield.

It's bound to happen

cena always steals the spotlight, but he has a peak. he cant put people over like undertaker or hhh puts people over. they are at a different level, hhh and taker are at legend status, cena isnt.

sheamus is a top star in case u havent noticed. he just doesnt have much to do except feud with damien, it was a filler feud. also sheamus does not have a good character, so that is responsible for his failure.

punk is not going to puto ver curtis axel and the shield, that would be embarassing. isnt that supposed to be john cena's job?

 

[Desyar]

cena always steals the spotlight, but he has a peak. he cant put people over like undertaker or hhh puts people over. they are at a different level, hhh and taker are at legend status, cena isnt.

sheamus is a top star in case u havent noticed. he just doesnt have much to do except feud with damien, it was a filler feud. also sheamus does not have a good character, so that is responsible for his failure.

lolwut

- Great Khali has beaten The Undertaker at a PPV even Maven has beaten the Undertaker.

- Shelton Benjamin has beaten Triple H.

Where are those guys now anyway?

As for Sheamus' fault for not being over. the same can be same about Punk if you still don't feel he's over after being given a long championship reign.

punk is not going to puto ver curtis axel and the shield, that would be embarassing. isnt that supposed to be john cena's job?

no cus dat wud be embarrassing for John Cena.

KEKEKE

 

[Redemption-2012]

I personally found CM Punk better as a face but they turned him into too much of generic, cookie cutter type of babyface. I really hope they don't repeat the same mistake as they did last year, he needs to be the edgy face.

 

[RicSpade]

I wouldn't necessarly call Punks new role a face roll he is technically in a tweener role, and with good reason, he is still friends with Heyman while they build toward the ultimate backstab, he is talking smack to the faces (while he smack talking wasn't the same pipe bomb punk we know and love) yet he is tearing up the heels he goes up against. Punk right now is a top guy in the company, and keeping him in this role for good reason, what happens to Punk after he faces Brock?

He could be repaired with Heyman if they built it that way, he could go full face and take on a heel for one of the main titles, there are new guys surfacing to the main event he can face, or he can go solo heel and take out guys like Bryan, RVD, and Cena which with his call out could happen if they keep RVD a Heyman guy as well.

So I wouldn't count whatever they are doing with Punk out just yet

 

[MCMG]

I really don't think we have seen a fully-turned Punk. He will remain arrogant and denigrate his opposition. Heel or Face; Punk still needs to come out and proclaim he is the best in the world. He still needs to brag about his WWE championship reign. Just because he is feuding with heels doesn't necessarily mean he is a face.

For the time being Punk is feuding with Lesnar but the in the future he can be heel, face or a tweener. Indeed, I think he is a "better" heel but I'm currently interested in seeing him as a face - or at least feuding with heels. He is clearly a popular superstar and he should, therefore, be milked for all his worth.

 

[Desyar]

I'm very glad they turned him face and he should stay face. He's won every PPV matches for a year over it's about time he gives something back and he knows it too.

- Put over the new Paul Heyman guy Curtis Axel.

- And put over The Shield.

Thank you, Punk.

 

[CmPunker]

lolwut

- Great Khali has beaten The Undertaker at a PPV even Maven has beaten the Undertaker.

- Shelton Benjamin has beaten Triple H.

Where are those guys now anyway?

As for Sheamus' fault for not being over. the same can be same about Punk if you still don't feel he's over after being given a long championship reign.



no cus dat wud be embarrassing for John Cena.

KEKEKE

khali, benjamin, and maven have all defeated triple h or undertaker, but their characters mic skills and in ring skills and charisma were not good enough to utilize it. cm punk is good enough to utilize those wins to gain credibility.

 

[Desyar]

khali, benjamin, and maven have all defeated triple h or undertaker, but their characters mic skills and in ring skills and charisma were not good enough to utilize it. cm punk is good enough to utilize those wins to gain credibility.

- 3 times World Champion
- 2 times WWE Champion
- record setting WWE title reign at 434 days

You think a win from HHH or Taker is bigger than those accomplishments?

Hey, man, maybe Punk just isn't that good as you thought he would be? I mean really you're probably the only Punk fan here who feels that he isn't over despite all those accomplishments.

Are you even really a Punk fan?

Cause clearly you're pretty much implying that CM Punk is so bad that it's essential for him to get a win from HHH or Taker to get "over" despite being given so much already.

 

[CmPunker]

- 3 times World Champion
- 2 times WWE Champion
- record setting WWE title reign at 434 days

You think a win from HHH or Taker is bigger than those accomplishments?

Hey, man, maybe Punk just isn't that good as you thought he would be? I mean really you're probably the only Punk fan here who feels that he isn't over despite all those accomplishments.

Are you even really a Punk fan?

Cause clearly you're pretty much implying that CM Punk is so bad that it's essential for him to get a win from HHH or Taker to get "over" despite being given so much already.

u really think # of championships matter? also his title reign was overshadowed by john cena.. 434 should be split in half becaues only half of it main evented. 217 days. punk didnt reach his peak yet, in order to reach his peak he must defeat undertaker and hhh. yeah hhh and undertaker actually have better accomplishments. i want cm punk to be on their level, which is legend status. cm punk never even main evented wrestlemania, shows how much faith wwe has in him *sarcasm*. cm punk has feuded with undertaker, hhh, and the rock, and he lost all his feuds to him. what message does that send to casual fans? it sends the message that cm punk is talented, but not talented enough to defeat the top top stars

 

[Desyar]

u really think # of championships matter?

Uhhh duh?

Ric Flair? The Rock? Triple H? Undertaker? How did those guys get over again?

also his title reign was overshadowed by john cena.. 434 should be split in half becaues only half of it main evented. 217 days. punk didnt reach his peak yet, in order to reach his peak he must defeat undertaker and hhh. yeah hhh and undertaker actually have better accomplishments. i want cm punk to be on their level, which is legend status. cm punk never even main evented wrestlemania, shows how much faith wwe has in him *sarcasm*. cm punk has feuded with undertaker, hhh, and the rock, and he lost all his feuds to him. what message does that send to casual fans? it sends the message that cm punk is talented, but not talented enough to defeat the top top stars

"Punk is my favorite superstar thus he should beat everyone else and stay on top forever and be a badass heel" AMIRITE OR AMIRITE? LOL!

But in all seriousness Punk legend status????

I don't even...

I'm sorry but... this is just too much.

We're just going to see if that badass heel Punk(lawl) you want ever returns.

It's been fun, friend.

 

[Headman]

I think the WWE knew Punk was going to be cheered upon his return so they made the knee-jerk decision to turn him face for no reason whatsoever. The man who tormented the Undertaker by mocking his dead manager just days after his passing is just going to change his ways overnight? The sneaky and resourceful champion who took every short cut he could to retain the gold for over a year now suddenly wants to do everything on his own? If there were some sort of story to explain his complete change in personality I'd bite, but so far it seems as though his heart grew three sizes because a bunch of Chicago smarks cheered for him. And who knows, maybe I'm missing something. Maybe they did explain his change of heart and I just missed it because I was so distracted by his ridiculous looking mutton chops.

 

[Dyscord]

Its the WWE. The only way to be a face is to be a good guy wholesome face these days. It is boring now that all faces are good guys, not simply the guys we cheer. I think the WWE needs to just stop shoving down our throats who we are supposed to like, and simply let us get behind what characters we want too. Let CM punk be CM Punk - and let us choose if we want to boo or cheer. Let a lot of these guys blossom as characters, and let the audience decided if we ultimately want to cheer or boo - OR BETTER YET, let the audience be split. A split audience will talk about it more, will be more engaged, and will sell merch.

I'm also tired of WWE shoving down our throats who we should hate and who we should love. The whole Face/Heel dynamic is so antiquated nowadays. At least in the WWE. Faces are generic and heels are cowardly. I do think Punk works as a face, as long as he stays true to his character...like after winning the belt off Cena. He was a face, but he still had an edginess to his character.

 

[Dyscord]

instead of insulting his heel work, explain why its bad.. imo he delivered amazing promos and was a lot more entertaining. now hes kind of annoying.

a feud with hhh and taker is necessary because he needs his wins back. he cant afford to lose feuds against him, it would make him look weak. it doesnt make sense from a business perspective to have 2 older stars beat the future of the company. undertaker i can understand because they want to preserve their streak, but why doesnt hhh give cm punk his win back? it would put him over huge.

I think the point that was trying to be made is that his heel run was forced. The fans loved him. They wanted to cheer him. He had to go out of his way to make fans hate him...and it never stuck. Being a face is more natural provided they let him keep his rebel streak.

And he most certainly does not need those wins back. On top of that, no one looks weak losing to the undertaker at WM. NO. ONE. . And what would a win over HHH do for him? "Oh wow...he won against a part timer"

 

[MCMG]

u really think # of championships matter? also his title reign was overshadowed by john cena.. 434 should be split in half becaues only half of it main evented. 217 days. punk didnt reach his peak yet, in order to reach his peak he must defeat undertaker and hhh. yeah hhh and undertaker actually have better accomplishments. i want cm punk to be on their level, which is legend status. cm punk never even main evented wrestlemania, shows how much faith wwe has in him *sarcasm*. cm punk has feuded with undertaker, hhh, and the rock, and he lost all his feuds to him. what message does that send to casual fans? it sends the message that cm punk is talented, but not talented enough to defeat the top top stars

A title reign is a title reign. Whether or not he closes the show is irrelevant. Moreover, he defeated Cena during his 434 days as champ.

I think I see your problem. "I want CM Punk to be on their level, which is legend status". He is very very talented but he is simply not going to retire in the same company as HHH, Taker, Hogan, HBK, The Rock, Flair, Hart, Austin and even John Cena.

He is better in the ring then some of those names but through consistency, booking, mic-work and whatever reasons he is just not on their level. The Rock has main-evented WM in three different decades. Punk has had 2 and 1/2 years at the top. That is the difference. Even if he went on to defeat Cena in the main-event of this years Mania he will not be on their level.

Granting he continues for a few more years and continues his great work I personally see Punk in the same cohort as the likes of Jericho, Angle, Mick Foley, Kurt Angle and Kane. Punk is very good and with another title reign or two he will be in this company but he is never going to be in the same level as HHH and Taker. Even if CMPunker was writing for the WWE; it would be impossible. You just can't make stars by the flick of a switch. It takes time and incredible work.

 

[CmPunker]

A title reign is a title reign. Whether or not he closes the show is irrelevant. Moreover, he defeated Cena during his 434 days as champ.

I think I see your problem. "I want CM Punk to be on their level, which is legend status". He is very very talented but he is simply not going to retire in the same company as HHH, Taker, Hogan, HBK, The Rock, Flair, Hart, Austin and even John Cena.

He is better in the ring then some of those names but through consistency, booking, mic-work and whatever reasons he is just not on their level. The Rock has main-evented WM in three different decades. Punk has had 2 and 1/2 years at the top. That is the difference. Even if he went on to defeat Cena in the main-event of this years Mania he will not be on their level.

Granting he continues for a few more years and continues his great work I personally see Punk in the same cohort as the likes of Jericho, Angle, Mick Foley, Kurt Angle and Kane. Punk is very good and with another title reign or two he will be in this company but he is never going to be in the same level as HHH and Taker. Even if CMPunker was writing for the WWE; it would be impossible. You just can't make stars by the flick of a switch. It takes time and incredible work.

what? half of his title reign felt like a mid card feud, which is john cena's fault.. the stupid wwe creative put all their brains into cena's feuds, and they STILL sucked. that just shows how much wwe sucks at booking stuff. if it didnt matter who closed the show, why didnt they let the champion close it? shouldnt the champino close it instead of john cena? doesnt that just devalue the championship and the champion?

 

[MCMG]

On what planet did it feel like a "mid card feud" and how the fuck is it "John Cena's fault". SORRY, is it Cena's fault he is the number one guy in the WWE. Is it John Cena's fault that there he is popular. You are lambasting Cena because he is higher in the pecking order than your boy Punk. John Cena had a very average 2012. The highlights were undoubtedly his matches/feud with Punk.

Yes, Cena/Johhny Ace should never have closed a PPV but when you look back at Punk's title reign he closed the show many times. There were instances such as Elimination Chamber, MITB and the Royal Rumble where Punk going last wasn't needed or warranted. Plus, the PPV's where Lesnar/The Rock was around. That is at least 6 PPV's that Punk not closing the show meant very little. It doesn't devalue the belt because on almost every Raw, except maybe 4 or 5, Punk was getting the focus. He was the WWE Champion of 434 days. He was rewarded by a match with the Undertaker at WM29. The WWE clearly respected and appreciated him.

 

[Mr. Artistic guy]

I didn't think either of Punk's last two runs were the absolute epitome of what he can achieve. Both times as the longest reigning champion in a quarter century and as a heel turned tweener turned face that had to feud with Alberto Del Rio right after setting the wrestling world ablaze, I felt like he could do better because I'd seen him do better. But one thing Punk isn't is clear cut either way, he's not a cookie cutter face when he's a face, he's not a unanimous heel when he's a heel. He's always somewhere in the middle closer to tweener.

That's what he seems to be now, he's not a generic guy because he's CM Punk. His turning made sense because it's still maintained the integral aspects of his character which make him CM Punk, which is what should always happen. So I don't think Punk is going to be a typical anything, he'll be a CM Punk version of whatever it is he does, and therefore it'll always have his unique character and a level of individual interest built into it.

So I'm on board with it. It's not going to b the same as anybody else because it's CM Punk doing it. He's one of those guys, all he really knows is how to imbue his character with himself, to play himself on TV, and that gives you something you won't get from 90% of everybody else.

 

[CmPunker]

On what planet did it feel like a "mid card feud" and how the fuck is it "John Cena's fault". SORRY, is it Cena's fault he is the number one guy in the WWE. Is it John Cena's fault that there he is popular. You are lambasting Cena because he is higher in the pecking order than your boy Punk. John Cena had a very average 2012. The highlights were undoubtedly his matches/feud with Punk.

Yes, Cena/Johhny Ace should never have closed a PPV but when you look back at Punk's title reign he closed the show many times. There were instances such as Elimination Chamber, MITB and the Royal Rumble where Punk going last wasn't needed or warranted. Plus, the PPV's where Lesnar/The Rock was around. That is at least 6 PPV's that Punk not closing the show meant very little. It doesn't devalue the belt because on almost every Raw, except maybe 4 or 5, Punk was getting the focus. He was the WWE Champion of 434 days. He was rewarded by a match with the Undertaker at WM29. The WWE clearly respected and appreciated him.

dude, cena overshadowed cm punk's title reign. the fact is that half of it didnt matter because wwe booked it to be lesser than cena. think about it. ONE MAN is bigger than the championship AND the champion. isnt that embrassing? ur basicaly having the champion have a match in the middle of the card, while another man is main e venting.. john cena vs big show, john cena vs john laurintiis, those 2 matches main evented over cm punk? what? seriously? john cena couldnt give a few ppvs for punk to main event? is he that selfish? and no man, u are so fucking wrong. do some research. the entire time when he was a face, cm punk was on the middle of the card, both on raw and on a ppv. most raws included cena closing the show.. until cm punk turned heel. so only half of his title reign mattered

lets see cm punk's title reign defenses and cena's matches

survivor series 2011 : cm punk vs del rio, the rock and cena vs the miz and r truth was the main event. justifiable because the rock is in it and he gets buyrates.
tlc 2011 : cm punk vs del rio vs the miz was the main event. cena was kept off the card to prevent injury. seriously? the only time cm punk main evented was when cena was kept off the card.
royal rumble 2011 : rumble was the main event, while it was cm punk vs dolph ziggler and cena vs kane. that is justifiable
elimination chamber : cm punk vs miz vs chris jericho vs r truth vs kofi kingston vs dolph ziggler, while cena vs kane was the main event. somewhat justifiable because cena was about to fight the rock and needed to look relevant.
wrestlemania 27 : cena vs rock main evented, while it was cm punk vs chris jericho. it is justifiable because it was once in a lifetime.
extreme rules 2012:cm punk vs chris jericho, while cena vs brock lesnar main evented. justifiable becaiuse it was lesnar's 1st match back.
over the limit 2012 : cena vs laurintitis was main event, while it was cm punk vs daniel bryan. wow... JOHN LAURINTISIS vs cena fucking main evented over cm punk? are u fucking serious? do u know how bad it makes the wwe championship feel? how can u not understand simple logic?
no way out 2012 : it was cena vs big show main evented, while cm punk vs kane vs daniel bryan.. cena vs big show, wow, that sounds like it would draw in viewers. so basically, the wwe is saying that cm punk cant even main event a ppv as the champion??? john cena closes the show instead of the CHAMPION, doesnt that make cm punk feel inferior?
money in the bank 2012 : it was cm punk vs daniel bryan, while the raw mitb match main evented. are u fucking serious? dont u wanna create the suspense that the raw mitb winner would cash in? in addition, this is the only time this happened in wwe history. where the mitb match main evented over another championship match. what the fuck? all just because it had john cena in it. if it didnt had john cena in it, then cm punk vs bryan would have maine vented. so wwe is saying that they love john cena so much that they gave his match the main event? do u know how much it devalues the championship and the champion? it would have helped to create suspense if u had cm punk vs bryan as main event instead.
summerslam : cena vs bigs how vs punk, while lesnar vs hhh main evented. this is justifiable because lesnar and hhh are huge draws.
night of champions : cm punkv s cena main evented. so ur telling me the only time cm punk can main event is with cena? really?
hell in a cell : cm punk vs ryback main evented, while cena was kept off the card. thank goodness cena was injured.
survivor series : cena vs ryback vs cena main evented.
tlc : cm punk injured, cena vs ziggler main evented.
royal rumble : cm punk vs the rock main evented.
ec : cm punk vs rock main evented.

so basically, i guess cm punk can only main event if he is with cena, cena is kept of the card, or cm punk is fighting the rock. ONE MAN is greater than both the champion, the championship, and the contender. #wwelogic #sofuckingsmart

 

[Big Nick Dudley]

I'm with CmPunker as it relates to Punk being a better heel than face, but that's it. The rest is the ramblings of a 15 year old.

However, the fans love the guy. Not like they love other guys for a short amount of time, but he's over with all fans. Kids, men, women, internet smarks, etc. Keeping him heel wouldn't work. He knows how to draw heat, but keeping him heel is a waste of WWE's investment. Kids won't buy heel t-shirts. I understand that's tough for internet smarks to think about, merchandise sales, but that drives a lot of this.

It makes sense. Do I like Punk as a babyface? Not particularly, given his last face run which became as boring and uneventful as Cena in 2007-2009 and Orton in the fall of 2010 (where he was the champion, pointlessly, and sat around while Cena fought The Nexus... mind-blowingly stupid, I know). I hope this time around Punk's given more worthwhile material.

 

[Desyar]

A title reign is a title reign. Whether or not he closes the show is irrelevant. Moreover, he defeated Cena during his 434 days as champ.

I think I see your problem. "I want CM Punk to be on their level, which is legend status". He is very very talented but he is simply not going to retire in the same company as HHH, Taker, Hogan, HBK, The Rock, Flair, Hart, Austin and even John Cena.

He is better in the ring then some of those names but through consistency, booking, mic-work and whatever reasons he is just not on their level. The Rock has main-evented WM in three different decades. Punk has had 2 and 1/2 years at the top. That is the difference. Even if he went on to defeat Cena in the main-event of this years Mania he will not be on their level.

Granting he continues for a few more years and continues his great work I personally see Punk in the same cohort as the likes of Jericho, Angle, Mick Foley, Kurt Angle and Kane. Punk is very good and with another title reign or two he will be in this company but he is never going to be in the same level as HHH and Taker. Even if CMPunker was writing for the WWE; it would be impossible. You just can't make stars by the flick of a switch. It takes time and incredible work.

r u feking seroius bro? punk shud have won all his matches and shud have held the WWE title for 5 more years. punk is a legend dat shud be da one overshadowing john cena and undertaker and hhh. i meen why give him the best in the world gimmick if he cant beat dem all? cus clearly just beating cena makes him over*sarcasm* #goodjobwwe #yolo

 

[MCMG]

survivor series 2011 : cm punk vs del rio, the rock and cena vs the miz and r truth was the main event. justifiable because the rock is in it and he gets buyrates.
tlc 2011 : cm punk vs del rio vs the miz was the main event. cena was kept off the card to prevent injury. seriously? the only time cm punk main evented was when cena was kept off the card.
royal rumble 2011 : rumble was the main event, while it was cm punk vs dolph ziggler and cena vs kane. that is justifiable
elimination chamber : cm punk vs miz vs chris jericho vs r truth vs kofi kingston vs dolph ziggler, while cena vs kane was the main event. somewhat justifiable because cena was about to fight the rock and needed to look relevant.
wrestlemania 27 : cena vs rock main evented, while it was cm punk vs chris jericho. it is justifiable because it was once in a lifetime.
extreme rules 2012:cm punk vs chris jericho, while cena vs brock lesnar main evented. justifiable becaiuse it was lesnar's 1st match back.
over the limit 2012 : cena vs laurintitis was main event, while it was cm punk vs daniel bryan. wow... JOHN LAURINTISIS vs cena fucking main evented over cm punk? are u fucking serious? do u know how bad it makes the wwe championship feel? how can u not understand simple logic?
no way out 2012 : it was cena vs big show main evented, while cm punk vs kane vs daniel bryan.. cena vs big show, wow, that sounds like it would draw in viewers. so basically, the wwe is saying that cm punk cant even main event a ppv as the champion??? john cena closes the show instead of the CHAMPION, doesnt that make cm punk feel inferior?
money in the bank 2012 : it was cm punk vs daniel bryan, while the raw mitb match main evented. are u fucking serious? dont u wanna create the suspense that the raw mitb winner would cash in? in addition, this is the only time this happened in wwe history. where the mitb match main evented over another championship match. what the fuck? all just because it had john cena in it. if it didnt had john cena in it, then cm punk vs bryan would have maine vented. so wwe is saying that they love john cena so much that they gave his match the main event? do u know how much it devalues the championship and the champion? it would have helped to create suspense if u had cm punk vs bryan as main event instead.
summerslam : cena vs bigs how vs punk, while lesnar vs hhh main evented. this is justifiable because lesnar and hhh are huge draws.
night of champions : cm punkv s cena main evented. so ur telling me the only time cm punk can main event is with cena? really?
hell in a cell : cm punk vs ryback main evented, while cena was kept off the card. thank goodness cena was injured.
survivor series : cena vs ryback vs cena main evented.
tlc : cm punk injured, cena vs ziggler main evented.
royal rumble : cm punk vs the rock main evented.
ec : cm punk vs rock main evented.

You highlighted three examples that Punk was wrongly not in the main-event. To be honest, I can see why the MITB match went last. It is the Money In The Bank ppv. I have no problems with it going last.

I agree that Over The Limit and No Way Out are interesting decisions. Punk is the WWE Champion and should close the show but Cena is the number one guy. A significant of the fan-base are paying to see Cena. He is their favourite wrestler so him closing the show makes some sense. I don't think that anyone really thought Punk not closing the show devalued the belt. I doubt anyone was thinking: Punk didn't go last, the belt means nothing.

 

[Jack G]

CM Punk for me was fantastic as a heel in the Nexus period; but then again he was great as face when he beat Cena at MITB. Out of the two "sides" of Punk, I think he's best as face...but not the usual Kofi (fan loving) or Sheamus (just weird) face...I'd like Punk at his best as a Stone Cold type face. Going against the guys at the top, being a bad ass, not following rules but somehow still keeping us wanting him to succeed.

Only issue with this is the amount of heel's he can go up against without it being the clique face vs heel. The storyline has to be hot, so hot that these forums go mad on how they can evolve. The story is what makes the great feuds memorable, and they mostly need to be long lasting (Austin vs McMahon).

So, whom would I have CM Punk feuding with, on a long term basis...I think WWE has beat me to the punch here (if it comes to fruition). CM Punk vs Paul Heyman. This is so interesting and depending when Punk turns completely on Heyman, this could last until WM30. Let Punk destroy Axel, Lesner, hell even RVD if he decides to join the Heyman pact....but over Xmas let's have Heyman reveal a new Heyman guy..someone huge, someone that is WM30 worty....but that's another thread

 

[CmPunker]

You highlighted three examples that Punk was wrongly not in the main-event. To be honest, I can see why the MITB match went last. It is the Money In The Bank ppv. I have no problems with it going last.

I agree that Over The Limit and No Way Out are interesting decisions. Punk is the WWE Champion and should close the show but Cena is the number one guy. A significant of the fan-base are paying to see Cena. He is their favourite wrestler so him closing the show makes some sense. I don't think that anyone really thought Punk not closing the show devalued the belt. I doubt anyone was thinking: Punk didn't go last, the belt means nothing.

dude, u are so ignorant. look at money in the bank 2010, the wwe championship match, sheamus vs john cena, was the main event. money in the bank 2011, john cena vs cm punk was the main event.. why should the raw mitb match main event over the championship match? it doesnt make sense from a business perspective. dont u want to create suspense that the winner will cash in?

you obviously dont know jack shit about business. john cena main eventing over cm punk devalues the championship because the champion should always main event.. from a booking perspective, it shows a lack of faith on cm punk and from a business perspective, it devalues the championship. it doesnt mean nothing, it just doesnt mean as much as it used to be.

 

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CM Punk for me was fantastic as a heel in the Nexus period; but then again he was great as face when he beat Cena at MITB. Out of the two "sides" of Punk, I think he's best as face...but not the usual Kofi (fan loving) or Sheamus (just weird) face...I'd like Punk at his best as a Stone Cold type face. Going against the guys at the top, being a bad ass, not following rules but somehow still keeping us wanting him to succeed.

Only issue with this is the amount of heel's he can go up against without it being the clique face vs heel. The storyline has to be hot, so hot that these forums go mad on how they can evolve. The story is what makes the great feuds memorable, and they mostly need to be long lasting (Austin vs McMahon).

So, whom would I have CM Punk feuding with, on a long term basis...I think WWE has beat me to the punch here (if it comes to fruition). CM Punk vs Paul Heyman. This is so interesting and depending when Punk turns completely on Heyman, this could last until WM30. Let Punk destroy Axel, Lesner, hell even RVD if he decides to join the Heyman pact....but over Xmas let's have Heyman reveal a new Heyman guy..someone huge, someone that is WM30 worty....but that's another thread

I liked SES Punk better at least that was unique and entertaining. Nexus Punk was mediocre and his last heel run was just bad that it was worthy of being joke of the year. It was just awkward to watch him try so hard to play the role of the main villain. The best he could come up with was "demand respect" from the fans really? Can you say cliche?

Thank god to WWE for making the right decision by making him face again so he can finally put over the newer guys especially The Shield and Curtis or even Fandango in the future.

Also, now we can have more interesting feuds after he's done with Lesnar not the same rivalries of Punk vs Cena or HHH or Taker(lol @ whoever came up with this)