CM Punk Has Got To Go

[ryan86]

Now, I don't know how long this expeirement with trying to play "dress-up" with Punk as a credible "super" star whom will carry the brand is going to last; but they need to wrap this thing up before the WWE title picture is set for WM.

I am one of the half million fans who did not stick around after the opening segment. Punk - Delrio was supposed to keep ppl watching through the entire show, but opening with Cena-Piper just made that match look weak. If a WWE champ is advertized to defend his belt in a SVS rematch and WWE loses a crap load of viewers... It not only shows you people were not buying the SVS PPV for a Punk title match, it shows you his appeal to a broad audience isnt there. Sure, his "nich" base stuck around, but Raw lost a huge amount of viewers based on the fact he couldnt carry the show into the second hour.

Raw should not be losing that many viewers to re-runs and blow outs. If they are, the person responsible for keeping them interested needs to be properly phased out.

Time to reacess

 

[Big Papa Santo]

So what your saying is, release one of the most charismatic and athletic stars on the roster just because ONE of his matches didn't draw? Punk is HUGELY over and one of the biggest superstar's today hell i'm watching Summerslam 2011 right now and 80% of the audience has a Punk shirt or a Punk sign with them.

 

[Rckstrtmmy]

I hope you're trolling because if not you are a dumbass. CM Punk is one of the best things going in the WWE. He's definitely a better champ than Del Rio was. He's not as plain as Cena is. He's not as obnoxious as the Miz is (even tho i liked him as champ). He can have a great match with anybody. The only reason the Del Rio/Punk match didn't really draw is because everyone knew Punk would keep the title since he just got it back and there was no way they were gonna hot shot the title away from him again. The match in itself was good though. If you want good wrestling, Punk and the WWE have been providing it. Did you catch the match he had with Ziggler a couple weeks ago? Match of the year candidate. So I don't know what it is you're looking for but Punk is irreplaceable right now and you sir, are a moron.

 

[Azane]

CM Punk is popular enough to make baseless hate threads towards.

CM Punk outsold Cena on merchandise 1 month, which even though it's one month isn't exactly easy to do. He draws as much as they push him, so he's worthy of the position he's in.

 

[NotoriousWWE]

I legit laughed at this. This is to attract comments and such a dumb way to do so. Anyway, one thing I will say is why would WWE even bother releasing him if they were actually not happy with the main event not drawing? Wouldn't they just halt his push as a main-eventer?

 

[SmarksAreIgnorant]

Does he fail to realize for the past two months Raw has lost huge numbers in the second hour EACH episode. And guess what, this viewers are NOBODIES! They won't pay for anything, the core 4 million viewers are the ones who will be buying ppvs and merchendise, not 200,000 people who tune out.

God, people are so ignorant and stupid. This is just a personal agenda, he doesn't like CM Punk so he tries to find something he can complain about so he can try and get other people to hate him to. And I like how Del Rio hasn't drawn anything near CM Punk's level nor his boloved Cody Rhodes yet somehow CM Punk is the one who supost to go?

 

[mrhexum]

I don't post often, but when I do it is either because I have something to contribute to the thread or that I feel the OP needs to hear how ******ed he is from many people... Go ahead and guess why I'm posting...

Seriously, you want to get rid of one of WWE's biggest draws right now because you and some other folks found something better to do during the 2nd hour of an episode of RAW? You really could've just told us that you are not a fan of CM Punk and saved your self some embarrassment.

 

[ryan86]

Look, I know that their is a lot of "strong" support here, but it's purely subjective. What most people don't get, is that the viability of a person carrying a "brand" all depends on the objective analysis.

I dont care how many ppl continue to give Punk a mantle he has not proven to deserve, but the day he carries Raw with an INCREASE in viewership towards his match, instead of the veiwership DECRASING during 2 week build-ups to his match, I will reasess his viability.

A rising phenomenon should never be a net negative. All the facts continue to show his drawing power as a net-negative. This goes all the way back to June. The WWE will look at this objectivly over the next 4 months, and when this proves to be nothing more than an IWC interest, then they will roll him over to SD and move Orton back where he belongs. Objectively, durring the rise of Orton in 2009, (yes that was when he carried Raw) The WWE had their best financial year since 2001.

You hit a mark with facts and it makes them angry? Sorry....

 

[ryan86]

Does he fail to realize for the past two months Raw has lost huge numbers in the second hour EACH episode. And guess what, this viewers are NOBODIES! They won't pay for anything, the core 4 million viewers are the ones who will be buying ppvs and merchendise, not 200,000 people who tune out.

God, people are so ignorant and stupid. This is just a personal agenda, he doesn't like CM Punk so he tries to find something he can complain about so he can try and get other people to hate him to. And I like how Del Rio hasn't drawn anything near CM Punk's level nor his boloved Cody Rhodes yet somehow CM Punk is the one who supost to go?

Well, The past two months have been centered around Punk, and the ratings fall? You made my point.

And I dont pretend to think Cody is ready to carry Raw, nor that he ever will be.

Cody is my favorite star but I know he cant carry the WWE.

And if you cant get beyond that core 4 million, you dont deserve to be called "a new era".

 

[James Greiga]

i honestly cant believe this. CM Punk is the face of the company, the highest selling wrestler and since his new gimmick change profits have gone up. In both viewership and merchandise. If thats the case, what about the past 6 years with John cena?

 

[rekon59]

Well, The past two months have been centered around Punk, and the ratings fall? You made my point.

And I dont pretend to think Cody is ready to carry Raw, nor that he ever will be.

Cody is my favorite star but I know he cant carry the WWE.

And if you cant get beyond that core 4 million, you dont deserve to be called "a new era".

The last two months have been centered around Punk? Really? Huh, I guess you must have fell asleep during that whole Cena-Rock tag team angle.

Not only that, they've barely centered it around him since SummerSlam. Took the title off of him, and focused on side feuds, while Del Rio and Cena traded the title back and forth. You're facts are as skewed as your results.

 

[Барбоса]

Judging Punk a failure as a top name on RAW due to a drop in the ratings of a single episode is an example of the reactionary nonsense that ruins wrestling.

If you were going to be entirely objective about it then you would apply the same logic to the John Cena run as the top face over the passed 5 years a period in which wrestling viewership has plummeted and which therefore must be his fault.

This just stinks of an "I am not going to like what is popular" reaction.

 

[multiverseman.com]

So you'd rather blame the product that people didn't watch rather than blame what they did watch for driving them away. Ratings dropped after Cena and Piper tagged up against the fans. Super-Cena is what's killing the ratings.

You are misguided as hell. If they listen to you, they're misguided as well.

It's the fans that are wrong huh? They pop for Punk, they buy merchandise, they're wrong. They boo Cena, they're wrong. It must be the internet's fault lol. Being vocal is bad, it's the people that sit around and let you tell them what to think that are to be catered to.

Mmkay.

 

[Wynters]

CM Punk's awesome, but overrated as anything. He isn't 'the best in the world' he's probably one of the best on the mic, but in-ring? dude needs to get over himself.

He's another IWC Bitch. along with Zack Ryder and Christian.

 

[The Wolf]

I have to ask was Punk correct about Del Rio?

There were 2 guys in that match maybe Del Rio is the reason ppl tuned out.

Like Punk said ppl who DVR Raw fast fwd through Del Rio and his destiny.

 

[Cosmic Hate]

Look, I know that their is a lot of "strong" support here, but it's purely subjective. What most people don't get, is that the viability of a person carrying a "brand" all depends on the objective analysis.

I dont care how many ppl continue to give Punk a mantle he has not proven to deserve,

Let me stop you right there. CM Punk does deserve main event status. Let's evaluate his abilities:
1) The microphone: They call it his "pipebomb" for a reason. He's great on the mic. He can make a crowd love him or hate him, he knows his way with the word and his promos aren't scripted. Stone Cold Steve Austin approves of this as he used the same mic-work methodology, because that's what made the Attitude Era better. There wasn't a weird, sterile, overscripted feel to it, and that's the same with Punk.
2) The ring: Holy crap, his matches with Cena and Ziggler. He knows how to sell, he knows how to execute moves, and he knows how to do them well. Cena/Punk stole the show on MITB and Summer Slam, and Punk/Del Rio match at Survivor Series was much better than The Rock's match, and nearly overshadowed their match.
3) The merchandise sales: CM Punk, while selling wristbands and t-shirts, outsold John Cena who has more merchandise variety than a mall. We see every RAW and Smackdown, many fans are wearing Punk shirts. Enough said.

A rising phenomenon should never be a net negative. All the facts continue to show his drawing power as a net-negative. This goes all the way back to June.

Instead of just blaming this all on one person, blame this on several issues.
1) A lack of compelling storylines for anyone, including Cena and CM Punk.
2) Pushing part-time talent over full-time talent.
3) A lack of stables, and stables usually are interesting tools for storylines.
4) A lack of tag teams.
5) The diva division.
6) Filler matches.
7) Triple H vs Kevin Nash drawn out for too long and losing the interest of the audience
8) While having John Cena, a full-time wrestler whose been pushed to the moon, not doing anything with him. Seriously, I see why there hasn't been a heel turn and won't be. Heels don't sell merchandise as well as faces, the guy has a lot of kids behind him, and he does way too much charity work to ever be considered a bad guy. Give him some attitude, but that's it. Oh, and a good storyline.
9) The announce table lacks a Jim Ross.
10) The product has gotten too PG. Listen, I don't hate the TV-PG rating because they can still put on a good product despite that. I've seen them do it. However, I hate it when they get too PG. Muppets, the Christmas Smackdown, all of that which is too kiddy shouldn't be on any wrestling show. Seriously, it's okay to tone down the vulgarity, but don't pander to children with a product that was never meant for them to watch in the first place.

The WWE will look at this objectivly over the next 4 months, and when this proves to be nothing more than an IWC interest, then they will roll him over to SD and move Orton back where he belongs.

You see, this is where I agree with you. Put Orton back on Raw. Not about Punk, but Orton belongs on Raw.
Also, get rid of Smackdown.

 

[The Dragon Saga]

How about, Ryan89 has got to go?

Once again I come on to see some one-dimensional, unrealistic, hypotethical thread made by some business/smark wannabe that believes Cody Rhodes is some God of professional wrestling and that everything we see on television should be looked only from a business stance.

I have told you this in PM, on these forums and I'll reiterate for you, you asinine, imbecile, and this time in big ass bold letters too...

You have no clue what you're on about. If you did you'd have a job with the WWE and if you had a job with the WWE, chances are the WWE would have gone bankrupt.

Nobody cares about what drew ratings. That isn't our business, we're the fans, we don't work for Vince McMahon, it's our job to watch. You bring up CM Punk losing viewers, how about CM Punk having the most viewed wrestling orientated video on YouTube in 2011? How about CM Punk having sold the most monthly merchandise since July? That makes money, Professor Wall Street. And still, so few on these forums, other forums, eFedding boards, sports boards and other boards where professional wrestling is discussed give a crap. Because it is still entertaining. Also, it takes two to tango, everyone knows Alberto Del Rio has gone drastically downhill since he came to RAW in the draft. Get with the program.

Stop making ******ed threads. Every thread you make where you spew your opinion you've countless people disagreeing with you and your absurd opinion, your a joke in the spam sections as we've had a number of people mock you due to your views on whatever the hell you're watching, and seemingly everytime you post, or more specificially everytime you post an opinionated thread all you seem to do is mix business ideas with pleasure and you simply come across looking like a gigantic jackass.

So, as I started. Lets take your title, swing that sucka' around and change it to something people can get behind. Ryan89 Has Got to Go, not just because his views are bad for business, but reading his views is bad for the brain.

 

[The 1-2-3 Killam]

Now, I don't know how long this expeirement with trying to play "dress-up" with Punk as a credible "super" star whom will carry the brand is going to last; but they need to wrap this thing up before the WWE title picture is set for WM.

I am one of the half million fans who did not stick around after the opening segment. Punk - Delrio was supposed to keep ppl watching through the entire show, but opening with Cena-Piper just made that match look weak. If a WWE champ is advertized to defend his belt in a SVS rematch and WWE loses a crap load of viewers... It not only shows you people were not buying the SVS PPV for a Punk title match, it shows you his appeal to a broad audience isnt there. Sure, his "nich" base stuck around, but Raw lost a huge amount of viewers based on the fact he couldnt carry the show into the second hour.

Raw should not be losing that many viewers to re-runs and blow outs. If they are, the person responsible for keeping them interested needs to be properly phased out.

Time to reacess

This is one of the first mildly intelligent anti-Punk posts I've read. So for that, congratulations. I've always said that people need to stop freaking out over ratings and general viewership (the two go hand-in-hand), because it's a large-scale system you can't possibly hope to fully understand. Those numbers aren't meant for the public to analyze. So stop it. Now, on to your point...

I will give you that the viewership dropped, and CM Punk was in the main event. But as anybody who has ever studied social psychology can tell you, correlation does NOT prove causation. Punk would not still be drawing huge reactions, instantly selling out merch in almost every arena the WWE performs at, and being called out for media appearances on a daily basis if he wasn't drawing. I can assure you, the people behind WWE's financial well-being are more prepared to analyze this situation than you or I.

Did you ever consider that maybe people just didn't want to see Alberto del Rio? That no matter how interesting Punk tried to make that feud, he just has no real character? I've been saying for months that CM Punk has fallen since his first "shoot" that turned him into an overnight mega-success, but I will never say that he is a failure as a top star or draw. For one, he hasn't been in the spotlight for nearly enough time to make that call. He hasn't had a title feud with ANYBODY but Alberto del Rio since becoming the champion. There isn't nearly enough data for you to be making this accusations that Punk isn't a numbers draw, and that he needs to be taken out of the WrestleMania title match.

What would you rather see? Name one face that would make the WWE title match at WrestleMania more exciting as champion! And I swear to god if you say Zack Ryder...

 

[The Dragon Saga]

What would you rather see? Name one face that would make the WWE title match at WrestleMania more exciting as champion! And I swear to god if you say Zack Ryder...

Mike, even though he isn't a face, this guy will say Cody Rhodes anyway. Maybe you didn't see the posts some of us were making in the spam sections earlier in the week related to this guy, but he believes that Cody Rhodes is the newest God of professional wrestling. Don't believe me? Look back at some of his previous posts.

Also, to one of your points, nice one on picking up the same point as I. He didn't take ADR into consideration at all. Using the Live Discussion as an example, the general consensus is, ADR basically sucks and has sucked since he originally gained the WWE Championship. He was better at being the chaser than the Champion, so why this guy basically blames the entire thing on Punk is completely out of whack.

 

[marklouis]

Punk should not leave WWE. But he should be used properly. Punk's character has gone downhill since the summer, & I would hope that even his most loyal fans would admit that WWE has made mistakes in the way they've used him. He never should have become buddy-buddy with HHH. How does a guy go from hating him & ripping him every week to standing side-by-side with him & tagging with him at a PPV? This isn't Punk's fault. He's given a storyline, & he performs it to the best of his ability. But he's been given the wrong storyline. The WWE has screwed up a golden opportunity, just like they did with the Nexus last year.

 

[The 1-2-3 Killam]

Mike, even though he isn't a face, this guy will say Cody Rhodes anyway.

Cody Rhodes would be a great choice for a WrestleMania title match, but several things need to fall into place before that happens. Winning the Royal Rumble would give him the power to switch brands and go after the WWE title, but for all we know the rather ambiguous brand-relations right now may allow for it anyways... But you still need a face to hold the title, and CM Punk is still the best choice for that right now. I'd rather see Rhodes, Ziggler, or even R-Truth going after Punk at Mania rather than the Miz. Bottom line is, you still need the face, and Punk should hold the belt going into Mania.

 

[JaylisJayP]

CM Punk definitely does NOT need to go, however...when he's not speaking off the cuff and prodding the WWE management, his character is a little bit annoying. If you're going with that persona...keep it going, don't just come out certain weeks and read the script and do your little thing..that's what CM Punk the character is trying to CHANGE, right?

 

[RoughKut]

The ratings have dropped to all time lows while Cena was on top and nobody else was really on the horizon.

Difference is, Punk is not even near Cena's popularity, no matter how many boos he gets during Raw. That's why the show mainly focuses on Cena, still even with Punk's rising status.

Interpreting Cena getting booed on Raw is like saying Microsoft is not the biggest software company because they get lots of hate fueled attention on the internet.

The only wrestler with more popularity than Cena is The Rock and we know his story. And don't get it twisted, The Rock is this popular in the WWE currently BECAUSE of Cena.

As well as CM Punk, R-Truth, The Miz, Wade Barratt and so on and on on can thank Cena for their boosts in popularity.

Punk was going NOwhere until he got tied up with Cena.

 

[Curthaynes]

First off, everyone has their favorite and is biased whether they admit it or not. Secondly, the only reason anyone would be a Cena fan right now is if you're a child or a wrestling fan that accepts wwe's bombardment and mindlessly follows. Cena sucks and here's why.

He sucks because wwe has boxed him into a pg friendly gimmick and because he could be so much better. Have you seen his dropkick? In all honesty, Big Show's dropkick is helluva lot better than Cena's.

Yes, he is a hard worker and I respect him for that. I couldn't say I hate him because I don't know him personally. wwe is finally trying to capitalize on the crowd reaction to Cena and I'd like to see where it goes.

In the meantime CM Punk is the best wrestler on Raw and entertaining too. Daniel Bryan (or Bryan Danielson) is the best wrestler on smackdown. wwe isn't exactly in dire straits right now but hopefully things will get better.

 

[ryan86]

Well, well, well...What do we have here? A bunch of marks getting angry at facts? Soooooooo not surprised! All you guys can do is say "Well your wrong b/c I find him entertaining" And "The facts are lies b/c I find him entertaining". WOW!!!.

Net negative 31,000 buys in punk headlined PPV's
Net negative 218,000 in veiwership. (average among Punk segs., this stuff is verry public for those who care)
And if his only claim to fame is out-selling Cena in merchandise for ONE MONTH, than wow, thats horrible considering Cena has been on top for allmost 7 years, and who else is actually out there by now who hasnt bought his stuff ALREADY if they like him) POOR STUPID SELLING POINT.

AND IF PUNK CANT ATTRACT LARGER VIEWERHIP CUZ OF DELRIO... YOUR ADMITTING MY POINT!!!

and While Cody is God's gift to wrestling, he wont be carrying Raw, they need to bring Orton back to Raw and put Punk on SD!

You PPL will look so dumb when in 4 months, WWE business is not growing, and you thought Punk would save it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!