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Chris Jericho's Return : One Of The Biggest Letdowns

Jericho doesn't look like he's missed a beat since he's returned. His mic skills are still decent and his in ring skills as usual are superb. IMO I still think he's one of the top wrestlers in the business. As for his return itself, it was handled horribly and you can't blame him for that. He looks like he can keep going for quite a few years and I hope he does. It'll be a tough day when he hangs up his boots for good.
 
Chris Jericho returned to WWE in 2012 after a 1 1/2 year hiatus. Jericho's return was good but WWE ruined it by having him turn heel. All he did was remain silent for weeks then in his buildup with CM Punk all he did was run his mouth for 2-3 weeks via titantron and then after a mediocre performance at Wrestlemania he lost to CM Punk.

Jericho's return was a huge letdown in my opinion. Jericho isn't that all of a great. Never been the top guy for the company and has only a few decent title reigns in 2008.

He has ok mic skills and on 4/2/2012 RAW he slipped on live TV :lmao:

What do you think about Jericho's return this year and his legacy overall ?

If you don't think Jericho's mic skills are that good then you don't know anything about mic skills. He is one of the best in the history of wrestling on the mic. Many longtime wrestling fans would agree with that. He has proven over and over and over again that he has mic skills.
 
I find it rather amusing that the four most credible and consistent posters have all taken the stance that Jericho has had a great return, and have posted the four most detailed and in-depth replies, being Jack-Hammer, Sally, Pancake and myself.

And why have some people posted on about whether Jericho is/was ever a top guy. Where did that conversation come out of? That isn't even what the thread is about. And just to shut the people up who are spitting out crap on whether Jericho is/was a top guy, Chris Jericho doesn't need to be the top guy in the company because Jericho is one of the most over people with the fans, one of the most respected people with the fans and the last time he left, what happened on wrestling forums across the Internet were fans praising him on his run and how great he had been. Chris doesn't need to be a top guy with the company because he's a top guy with the fans.

Long time Jericho fan here. One of the best. Loved him in ECW and in WCW. But, I don't think he translated well to the WWF/E. Don't know why exactly. Once he lost the Undisputed Championship to HHH and then proceeded to lose again and again to HHH, they moved him down into the mid card and he just became what he was which is an incredible wrestler...just never "the" guy. I think he could have been "the" guy. Tough to figure out why he never was.

Chris Jericho was a generic good guy in ECW, he admits to that, he admits to the fact in ECW he was nothing more but a good performer and that in the 1990's they were coming out a dime a dozen. Then in WCW, sure he was good, because he found what made him good and he found what put him over, which was being a ridiculous character, but he was never going to be given a chance in WCW. If they'd correctly booked Jericho vs. Goldberg, Chris would have shot up in the rankings of the WCW roster, but they didn't and he went to WWE, he left the sinking ship because it was taking him nowhere but down and became one of the WWE's most credible performers in a matter of two years.

Chris Jericho was the Undisputed Championship, THAT is what was supposed to make him the top guy. Read his book on why it never happened. But he went back to being another "mid-card" guy. Maybe you blanked out between 2007 and 2010 but in those years Jericho had multiple WWE/World Heavyweight Championship reigns, was involved in the feud of 2008 with Shawn Michaels which produced the best match of 2008 with Shawn Michaels at No Mercy (I was there!) and earned Jericho Wrestling Observer Awards as the Best Wrestler of the Year in 2008 and 2009. Lets not mention he was the most over heel by a wide margain, he had some of the best segments, promos and matches with the likes of Shawn Michaels, Rey Mysterio, CM Punk, John Cena and Edge.

Jericho has never been "the man" in the back with WWE brass, but he is one of the top guys with the fans. That is why he is kept being brought back, that is why hes given these immediate shoves into the main event positions. That is why he had the best selling WWE DVD of of 2009. That is why he was a New York best selling author, that is why they know if they stick his name on a piece of wood, that piece of wood would probably sell. He isn't WWE's top guy, but when people look back at history ten years from now I got as much money as you want that they'll recognise him as one of the best, ever.

Jericho didn't spoke anything for weeks but why was he crying and yelling Why ?! Why ?! Why ?! ? And when he started talking he came of as a whiner whining about how everybody copied him and stole his moves etc (half of it was just lies).

Before you even arrived on this forum there were threads where people would compare people to Chris Jericho, and yes some of the things he said were correct. To begin The Miz does wear suits and did talk in a monotonous voice just like Chris Jericho had before The Miz had even dropped the US Championship. CM Punk started using the Best In The World title, even though he asked Daniel Bryan who originally used it, and not Jericho. Jericho however was the first to refer to himself as such on a constant basis on television which gives means to the entire part where Jericho ridiculed people for coping him, because in certain cases it was true, they glorified some but that is the entire point of a "storyline."

Firstly he was all happy then he was crying then all of a sudden became serious after hitting Punk with the codebreaker and started talking. That was a very poor and illogical way of turning heel.

Highlighting this because when people skim through the crap in this thread, they'll stop, if they have a brain cell read the above statement laugh at you and with hope give you a red rep because what you said above shows you don't even know what Jericho's return was about. Jericho didn't turn heel because he gave Punk a Codebreaker. Jericho turned heel by not saying, a word. Fans were booing him, because that was the entire point of it. When Jericho comes out people want him to speak, when Jericho didn't speak it wasn't giving the fans what they wanted. He turned heel by staying silent which shows just how talented the guy actually is. Congratulations not having a clue though.

Jericho himself said in interviews before returning that he won't return to the WWE just to do the same thing ...but he returned doing the same whining routine he was doing in 2008-2010.

Look at my response to #ZombieNatureBoy for the response to the bolded part. Again, you have little clue. And Jericho did say he was never going to return didn't he, a bit like how in 2007 he said he wasn't going to return when people were asking him about the binary code vignettes and if they were intended for him. It's called denying reports, if people don't think he'll ever wrestle again then it places a seed of doubt in people's minds. Once again, you either being 12 or simply not having a clue wouldn't know of any such thing.

Don't start anymore threads. You're not good at it, you have no clue about professional wrestling and especially don't start one when there are a few huge Jericho fans on the forum. Because they'll do as I have done here, own you using facts.
 
If you don't think Jericho's mic skills are that good then you don't know anything about mic skills. He is one of the best in the history of wrestling on the mic. Many longtime wrestling fans would agree with that. He has proven over and over and over again that he has mic skills.

I agree he has great mic skills but he has not used them lately. Everytime he is on the mic he is fumbling around for the right word. Probably just rusty but I still have seen nothing in ring to suggest he still has "it"
 
Did people already forget about Jericho's return in 2007? When he started REALLY slow, losing to Orton for the title and then that horrible feud with JBL and it was considered a letdown?

Of course, it took a couple months for Jericho to "return to form", as he quickly turned heel again and went after Michaels in what was the best feud of WWE in ages. After that, he continued to work for another 2 years in which was his best two years of his career. He got into two other excellent feuds in Rey and Edge, and was consistently putting on great matches after great matches, putting over young stars.

During the 2008-10 period, he won two Wrestler of the Year Meltzer awards and almost any time he had the mic, it was worth listening.

And don't tell me he won't be able to put on as dominant of a run again. I know he's 42 years old, but when Michaels retired, he was 45 and was still the best in ring performer on the roster. (And he'd still be, today.)
 
If you don't think Jericho's mic skills are that good then you don't know anything about mic skills. He is one of the best in the history of wrestling on the mic. Many longtime wrestling fans would agree with that. He has proven over and over and over again that he has mic skills.

I never said he doesn't have mic-skills. He has decent mic skills but he wasn't so good during his promos with Punk. People say Randy Orton is monotoned ...Jericho is the one who started cutting monotonous promos.


And why have some people posted on about whether Jericho is/was ever a top guy. Where did that conversation come out of? That isn't even what the thread is about. And just to shut the people up who are spitting out crap on whether Jericho is/was a top guy, Chris Jericho doesn't need to be the top guy in the company because Jericho is one of the most over people with the fans, one of the most respected people with the fans and the last time he left, what happened on wrestling forums across the Internet were fans praising him on his run and how great he had been. Chris doesn't need to be a top guy with the company because he's a top guy with the fans.

No he is not. Only the majority of IWC cares about him. Even Edge had a better career than Jericho.

Jericho turned heel by not saying, a word. Fans were booing him, because that was the entire point of it. When Jericho comes out people want him to speak, when Jericho didn't speak it wasn't giving the fans what they wanted. He turned heel by staying silent which shows just how talented the guy actually is. Congratulations not having a clue though.

Fans didn't even cared for Jericho after the first 2 weeks. Look at the ratings during Jericho's segment and people responses on Twitter during his "Silent" segments. Jericho being silent didn't made people tune in next week. It made fans not care for him with the exception of Jericho marks like you who will praise everything Jericho does.

And it was his codebreaker during one Punk's matches which made fans chant for Punk and care a bit.

Look at my response to #ZombieNatureBoy for the response to the bolded part. Again, you have little clue. And Jericho did say he was never going to return didn't he, a bit like how in 2007 he said he wasn't going to return when people were asking him about the binary code vignettes and if they were intended for him. It's called denying reports, if people don't think he'll ever wrestle again then it places a seed of doubt in people's minds. Once again, you either being 12 or simply not having a clue wouldn't know of any such thing.

Don't start anymore threads. You're not good at it, you have no clue about professional wrestling and especially don't start one when there are a few huge Jericho fans on the forum. Because they'll do as I have done here, own you using facts.

Dude you are just a f*cking Jericho mark who thinks Jericho is the best ever. Jericho is far from being best. He won't even be considered in the Top 10.
 
Dragon Saga...bro, I understand you are a huge Jericho mark. I am as well. He is one of the best ever without a doubt. He's one of the best talkers. He is one of the best wrestlers.

But, wow dude. You can get personal! Chill...

This is the problem with smarky IWC posters...can't look at things objectively.

I said Jericho is one of the best ever. But he didn't translate well to WWF/E. He was much better in WCW...in my very humble opinion.

He will always be regarded as one of the best ever but you are putting him on a level that I don't think he is on. Might not be all Jericho's fault. It's just the way things happened.
 
i miss the heel jericho with the "do you understand what i'm saying right now" and calling the crowds hypocrites trogladytes. i enjoyed jericho's last run more than this one. it feels as if he's not really enjoying his run that much and seems more like he knows it's only for a while so he's half assing it. well so far that's the vibe i'm getting.
 
No he is not. Only the majority of IWC cares about him. Even Edge had a better career than Jericho.

So it was only a majority of the IWC that shipped over 2 million copies of his DVD worldwide? It was only a majority of the IWC that purchased so many copies of his book that he has been listed in New York Best Selling author list twice now? No, see the IWC doesn't have that much power I'm afraid, or anywhere near it. Try again dumbass.

Fans didn't even cared for Jericho after the first 2 weeks. Look at the ratings during Jericho's segment and people responses on Twitter during his "Silent" segments. Jericho being silent didn't made people tune in next week. It made fans not care for him with the exception of Jericho marks like you who will praise everything Jericho does.

Oh, you mean how like Jericho's return garnered 345,600 to watch? That's an official figure by the way. he returned on the turn of the hour and before his return was a match featuring CM Punk. Jericho's segments lost viewers on the 9/1/2012, on the 16/1/2012 episode which featured Jericho in the main event WWE gained 817,000 viewers – a strong growth and the high point for that show. Jericho lost an estimated 86,000 viewers on the go-home show for the Royal Rumble where he spoke for the first time. The Chris Jericho/CM Punk segment the week following the Rumble gained 342,130 viewers, opening segment the following week where Jericho appeared in the opening segment and a six man tag team match opened with a 3.45 quarter rating, and the tag match gained 234,400.

Elimination Chamber fallout had Jericho in one match on the night, Battle Royal to see who'd face Punk at Wrestlemania which gained 601,000. 27/2/2012 RAW saw Jericho open with Punk for a 3.22 quarter rating. After that instead of Googling each and every RAW ratings breakdown, I can tell you that any segment featuring Chris Jericho on RAW gained viewers because three of the four weeks remaining until Wrestlemania Jericho appeared following Punk's matches or during his promo's.

So therefore, asides from two incidents, Jericho hasn't lost any viewers since he returned last January. An example of this is this past week, take into consideration of when Jericho appeared, following Punk/Henry, it gained 148,000. Then the week before that, the go-home show for Wrestlemania, the angle with CM Punk and Christian plus Chris Jericho’s interview gained 132,000. And considering that show scored poorly it seems that whenever Jericho is on-screen people are watching.

Do your research before you type shit.

And it was his codebreaker during one Punk's matches which made fans chant for Punk and care a bit.

Nope, you need to pay more attention. Jericho's entire return was done as a heel, if you listened to his promos he even stated it when he spoke the night following the Royal Rumble. It was manipulating the people to cheer for him, to get excited for him, and he didn't have to say a word. That is what is so sweet about it all, people have to speak to gain positive reactions, some speak and they don't even get it. Jericho didn't say a word and because of it people cheered as loud as they could and by not speaking he wasn't giving them what they wanted and by not giving them what they wanted, he was a heel. If you understood the entire point of the angle you'd get it, but you're a dumbass who can barely spell so I don't have much faith in you.

Dude you are just a f*cking Jericho mark who thinks Jericho is the best ever. Jericho is far from being best. He won't even be considered in the Top 10.

I'm a "f*cking" Jericho mark... wow, I never would have known that. You know, having a Jericho signature and all. And why are you censoring your words? You work for the FCC? It's fucking... allow me to apply it in a sentence. You are a fucking idiot.

Far from being the best? Okay, allow me to run down his accomplishments. Six time WWE/World Heavyweight Champion, nine time Intercontinental Champion; a record, nobody has held the title more. Five time Tag Team Champion, former European and Hardcore Champion, the fourth ever Grand Slam Champion and the second quickest to achieve it in history behind Kurt Angle. Recognised by one of the leading publications in professional wrestling as the Best Wrestler of the Year in both 2008 and 2009, ranked #2 in PWI's best 500 Wrestlers of all-time in 2009, recognised by Wrestling Observer as the best microphone worker of the decade between 2000 - 09.

And that isn't even going into Mexico, Japan or Europe, that isn't even counting his awards from both PWI and Wrestling Observer as the Best Heel - twice! Match of the year from Wrestling Observer, Feud of the Year of 2009 - from both PWI and WO; dude, you've helped remind me how good Chris Jericho is.

Thank you, thank you for reminding me of how great a professional wrestler he is. Thank you so much. You are right, Jericho isn't in the top ten, he's in the top eight, easily. Thank you, oh and by the way, when I give out red rep, you get red rep. When you try to give me red rep, it comes out as blue because you make so many horrid posts and threads; such as this one that people think you're shit. Congratulations on that, must make your mother proud.
 
Jerichos return was completely sabotaged, yet again by Triple H.
Jericho was supposed to win the Royal Rumble, and this was the plan right up until the day of the PPV.
Helmsley felt that with the internet knowing Jericho was to win the Rumble, he convinced Vince to change and go with "his man" Sheamus. Hard to argue with the switch, as Sheamus deserved the win and the push and the run with the WHC. But the fac t remains, the whole eturn of Jericho was set around him winning the Royal Rumble, the final piece in his domination of WWE and the end of the world as we know it. This would have spawned off into Punk calling out Jericho, but instead by HHH flexing his political muscle, it completely fucked the storyline of Jericho/Punk and we are now left with the ridiculous alcoholic/drug addict relative storyline, a complete and utter waste of wuality talent.
 
to be honest it was rather pointless the vignettes were never explained. he lost at rr which he should of won and they could of done a sd! battle royal instead and it would of been more fun because we wouldnt know who could win that battle royal. but the raw 1 was pointless u knew jericho was going to win it was so dumb. so therefore if he won rr it wouldnt make him look weak. he wouldnt of competed at elimination chamber and could of put over punk at wm. but it was all a failure the end of the world should of arrived at rr so he would win that which meant good long build with punk, put over punk at wm so he wins rr but loses wm doesnt make jericho look crap,but does punk a favour could of been a special return and storyling instead it was pathetic although i loved the match.
 
Dragon Saga...bro, I understand you are a huge Jericho mark. I am as well. He is one of the best ever without a doubt. He's one of the best talkers. He is one of the best wrestlers.

But, wow dude. You can get personal! Chill...

This is the problem with smarky IWC posters...can't look at things objectively.

I said Jericho is one of the best ever. But he didn't translate well to WWF/E. He was much better in WCW...in my very humble opinion.

He will always be regarded as one of the best ever but you are putting him on a level that I don't think he is on. Might not be all Jericho's fault. It's just the way things happened.

As far as his accomplishments go, I think he was bigger in the WWF/E. He's a multiple time world champion, and even when he wasn't, he's been in the main event picture for most of his tenure. Also, I think his ring work has been consistent between WCW and WWE, so that washes out.

That being said, I agree that while I may think he is one of the best ever, I believe he'll be considered second tier in history. He didn't have the same cultural impact as Stone Cold, The Rock, HHH, Cena, or a very small number of other megastars. Like you suggested, it probably has nothing to do with his level of talent in the ring and on the mic. He just didn't have the right look, or he just wasn't booked right.

Jericho will be a legend for sure, but years from now when people are talking about the Cenas, the Rocks, and Stone Colds in the same way that people talk about Hogan, Macho Man, and Andre the Giant, Jericho is going to be Ricky Steamboat. He'll be remembered as an amazing, accomplished, impressive, and underrated athlete who was vital to the era in his own right, but not one of the kings of an era.

On topic, I'm actually a huge fan of his return. He is being billed as credible, his mic work is still fantastic (for the most part), his Wrestlemania match was fantastic, and he is putting over CM Punk like returning stars should (sorry, I had to take one small dig at The Rock :P).
 
I think Jericho is too selfless for his own good sometimes, he believes he does not need a win here and there when not winning actually hurts his credibility. Jericho could have been one of biggest if not the biggest star in the WWE if he was booked properly after his undisputed title reign but he was banished to the midcard for 3 years and it really hurt his legacy even though his 3 years from 08-10 were the best years of his career.
 
Yeah, his return has been a little dull this time around. But, he is serving his purpose. He is putting on a great feud with Punk, and even put Punk over at 'Mania. I think we need to listen to Jericho, and for once just sit back and enjoy it.
 
I never said he doesn't have mic-skills. He has decent mic skills but he wasn't so good during his promos with Punk. People say Randy Orton is monotoned ...Jericho is the one who started cutting monotonous promos.




No he is not. Only the majority of IWC cares about him. Even Edge had a better career than Jericho.



Fans didn't even cared for Jericho after the first 2 weeks. Look at the ratings during Jericho's segment and people responses on Twitter during his "Silent" segments. Jericho being silent didn't made people tune in next week. It made fans not care for him with the exception of Jericho marks like you who will praise everything Jericho does.

And it was his codebreaker during one Punk's matches which made fans chant for Punk and care a bit.



Dude you are just a f*cking Jericho mark who thinks Jericho is the best ever. Jericho is far from being best. He won't even be considered in the Top 10.

Give up on being a wrestling fan if you think he has decent mic skills. What are you? 12 years old? Just give up already.
 
Remember, online Chris Jericho is a legend. When I read about Jericho from online fans, he's this amazing, entertaining, mind-blowing wrestling god. He's an amazing heel, he's so talented, and is one of the best around.

And when I watch him on my television, I swear I'm watching another person...because I am. Jericho USED to be great. He USED to be very entertaining, very unique, and his mic skills were tremendous. Then, he left.

So he eventually returns (his last run before his current one). He took away all aspects to his character that made him who he was. He took away "Y2J", he lost his energy, and he became what he sent out to be...a good heel. He was very monotone, straight forward, and boring. That was good. For 3 weeks it worked. And then, 6 months passed and he was doing the exact same thing. It ran it's course. And then, he left.

He comes back to a little different side, and then that continues with that for 3 weeks too long. He eventually fits into his new character, which is a spitting image of his last boring run. His feud with Punk thus far has been boring, and Jericho's "amazing mic skills" have not been present yet. I see nothing amazing about him happening.

So in theory his return is still good, because he "is" a star. Star power was lacking about 2 months ago. But from my fan standpoint and my opinion, he's done nothing to make himself stand out, and he's been just average. Nothing huge and not terrible, Chris Jericho has come back, and even though he's still done nothing huge yet or memorable, he's still better than 80% of the talent in WWE right now. And remember, his feud with Punk is still going on.
 
Jericho is putting CM Punk over. He got people excited again, you can't deny that. Did you see him on Raw after mania? The fued isn't done, Jericho and Punk are both great in the ring. Just relax and let them tell the story in the ring.
 
Give up on being a wrestling fan if you think he has decent mic skills. What are you? 12 years old? Just give up already.

Another ignorant Jericho fanboy. You are one of those Attitude Era fanboys who don't know what good Wrestling is. Attitude era was 80% promos and 20% Wrestling.

Mic skills are just a part of Pro-Wrestling. Wrestling skills are what matters in Pro-Wrestling.
 
Another ignorant Jericho fanboy. You are one of those Attitude Era fanboys who don't know what good Wrestling is. Attitude era was 80% promos and 20% Wrestling.

Mic skills are just a part of Pro-Wrestling. Wrestling skills are what matters in Pro-Wrestling.

If what you say is true, why are Cena and Batista multiple world champions when they are not good wrestlers in terms of skills.
 
People just don't get the "end of the world" line. How many people in history have said the world is gonna end and it didn't. That's the point. Just like everybody will be alive and well on December 22 2012. He slipped on a wet mat and people make fun of him, how about you all try to do that in the same situation and not slip. Oh wait, you all would slip too.

And for his return being a failure because he has lost most of his matches. You all realize that Vince McMahon decides who wins and loses, right? Do you also realize that Chris Jericho has no problem putting over younger talent that needs the win more?

There is a saying: "You can't fix stupid". Lesson over.
 
Chris Jericho returned to WWE in 2012 after a 1 1/2 year hiatus. Jericho's return was good but WWE ruined it by having him turn heel. All he did was remain silent for weeks then in his buildup with CM Punk all he did was run his mouth for 2-3 weeks via titantron and
And it worked for the kind of fans who just watch wrestling. the kind who don't spend their free time talking about it online. My partner loved Jericho, loved watching his game show on youtube. Him not talking and that flashing jacket? She was abusing him through the tv every time he was on it.
then after a mediocre performance
If it wasn't at the same PPV as The rock vs Cena and the HHH vs untertaker match, it would of seemed alot better.
at Wrestlemania he lost to CM Punk.
Yet, if he had of won people would of complained about how he returned, did nothing and then one the belt. The fued hasn't finished yet, He will end up defeating Punk. most likely in a non title match, but he will still win. I'm failling to see how him losing in his first return fued is something so shocking though. Remember HBK when he returned and launched straight into a fued with Orton?


He has ok mic skills and on 4/2/2012 RAW he slipped on live TV :lmao:
He smashed a bottle of Jack daniels onto the ground. Simple mistake that could of happened to anybody.
 
I've already seen Jericho have 4 heel runs. I get it. He's good at being a heel. But I'd like to see him have another decently-lengthed face run where he can crack jokes about other wrestlers on his Highlight Reel, interrupt confrontations that have nothing to do with him just to be involved in a match to help put over a young face, feud with a young heel to either be a foil or to put him over later.<<<True
 
Jerichos return was mapped out well, but hotshot booking screwed it up.

He SHOULD HAVE WON THE ROYAL RUMBLE.

He needed that for his credibility. it made sense!

Then he goes to the chamber. Doesn't win.

Goes to WM, doesn't win.

WWE screwed this entire thing up because they cannot stick to a plan, I do not blame Jericho, his ring work, and his promo's are still Jericho caliber.

Also I blame wrestling fans, for ridiculous expectations
 
I am LOVING Jericho's return so far. I don't care that he said he was going to accomplish one thing but did the exact opposite. His match with Punk at Mania was awesome, as were his promos from the titantron in the weeks leading up to Mania.

His recent attacks on Punk and the pouring of alcohol all over him and the smashing of the bottle have been fanfreakingtastic.

Internet nerds are just always going to find something to bitch about.
 

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