Ok, WrestleMania 26 and 27. No Rock, no Lesnar, Punk wasn't really a big deal... He was still drawing numbers way, way, way above what Flair was in the 80s. But does not the exact same thing not apply to Hogan, who was routinely drawing 10-15 times the audiences Flair did. If Flair was great, that wouldn't have happened. You see, often its hard to compare eras in terms of drawing because of the overall popularity of wrestling having peaks and troughs. But in the 80s, thanks to Hogan, we know it was possible to draw a large wrestling audience. We don't know what the limit of capability of today is, maybe Cena's not reaching it, but regardless Cena wrestling now, in a trough of wrestling popularity is massively outdrawing Ric Flair who peaked at a peak of wrestling popularity. More people watch Raw now than ever watched anything Flair did when there was less televisual choice in the 80s, more people buy WWE PPVs, more people buy WWE merchandise, more people go to WWE shows, more people are aware of him outside of wrestling. How in the world is he not a bigger draw than Ric Flair. When Cena is and isn't on Raw the ratings have a 0.5 swing. When Flair was and wasn't on Clash of the Champions, exactly the same number of people tuned in. Kayfabe wise, however, Cena would probably go over because he's the type of performer that Flair put over all of the time.[/QUOTE] No edition of Starrcade drew more than 17,000 fans. No WrestleMania headlined by John Cena has ever drawn less. In what world is drawing 23,000 fans to an arena that holds 24,000 "almost drawing 50,000 fans"? John Cena beat Darren Young on Raw on 18th March. The crowd was almost three times that which saw Sting beat Flair at Starrcade 1989. Are you too stupid to understand how supply and demand works? When Ric Flair lost his title to Ricky Steamboat at Clash of the Champions VI, the audience was less than half that tuned in to see the Saturday Night Main Event card three weeks previously How many retirement matches has John Cena ever lost? None. How many has Ric Flair lost? Two. That's as high stakes as it gets. I'm not getting into the Vader argument, again, but no, he wasn't at all dominant in 1993. Hogan and Savage have pinned him far more times, and big deal, he beat Carlito. He also lost to Shelton Benjamin. Cool. I don't really like Cena, but you would have to be either a fan boy or a complete and utter moron to not see that he is objectively a better wrestler than Ric Flair. He makes more money, draws more crowds and sells more merchandise - the only objective markers. It really is that simple.