is as they say - cooky talk.
Let's talk about cooky talk, shall we?
And for the points in bold, Flair's won many matches by either a roll-up or brass knucks.
The biggest being the figure four. And Cena has never tapped out in his prime, and he won't be doing so to the smaller, less powerful Ric Flair.
He's fell through a table on his own to lose a title,
Which is irrelevant, as this isn't a gimmick match, it's a one on one match.
and he mocked Rock's finisher in their first WM match and ended up Rock Bottomed and lost.
Which was a one time mistake in an eight year prime, which Cena acknowledged as a mistake, and one that he would never make again. And what happened when he faced Rock again? He learned from his mistake, didn't beat himself, and pinned Rock clean.
Cena made a once in a lifetime mistake, one he wouldn't make again against Flair.
When the stakes are high, Cena folds.
Like in his first championship match in his prime against JBL at WM 21? Or how about his main events at Wrestlemania 22 and 23 against HHH and HBK? And let's not forget him facing Edge in a TLC match in Edge's hometown with both the championship and his place on Raw on the line. And then there's his Ironman match with Randy Orton, with the championship and his place on Raw again on the line. And what about his WM 26 match against Batista? Or his match with CM Punk in Raw in February, WWE's top heel, for his spot against Rock for the title at Wrestlemania? And of course, his Wrestlemania main event against Rock two weeks ago for the WWE Title.
Wait, Cena won all of those high stakes matches! I'd say that renders your statement here moot, doesn't it?
He has nothing to redeem in this match and hasn't seen someone like Flair in his entire career.
He won't need to. When Cena has gone one and done with top heels, he's come away victorious. This would be no different.
And where is Cena better than Flair? Drawing money?
Seeing how he's drawn more money for WWE then anyone since Hogan, I would say yes.
Seeing how Ric Flair didn't win his first WCW Title until he was 32, and Cena won his first at age 28, he's got Flair there. And Flair didn't win title # 13 until he was 45, while Cena won title #13 at age 35. I'd say Cena has Flair there as well.
Three Wrestlemania main events, two matches where his career on Raw was on the line, and a record setting 11 WWE Championships don't count as big match wins?
The fact is, Flair has far more big match
losses then Cena does. He was handled by Garvin, Sting, Savage, Hogan, Inoki, and Steamboat, amongst others. When Flair met top babyfaces, he routinely lost.
And other then Hogan, there's no bigger face out there then Cena.
And that's mostly what this tournament is based on. And Flair's better than Cena in all of those things.
I just showed how, in all three ways, he's not.
Flair wins this. He makes Cena look like a much better wrestler than he really is, and ends up with the victory after Cena tries a Figure Four on Flair.
Cena would try a figure four on Flair why? Because he tried another wrestler's move
once in his 8 year prime? He then admitted his mistake, that he had gotten cocky, and that it wouldn't happen again. And what happened? It didn't, and he won the
higher stakes match against the Rock.
only to get rolled up with holding the tights for the 1-2-3 that leaves Flair walking that aisle and Cena staring into the air wondering how he could lose another big match.
Where are you getting this from? Cena rarely loses big matches, and when he does, they're gimmick matches. He's never been beaten in a big match being rolled up, even with hands on the tights, and Flair's not going to be the first to do it.
This is a standard one on one match. It's not a tables match, it's not a No DQ, and Cena is fresh, not ripe for the picking like he was against Edge or Batista. And when Cena faces heels in major one on one matches, he wins.
And for those who want to bring up Punk, he was very much a face by the time he faced Cena at MITB and Summerslam.
Flair in his prime avenged every loss he's ever had and in matches held in major facilities such as football stadiums, he came out on top.
Flair won't have the opportunity to avenge this loss, as it's one and done. So when Cena makes him submit(as FLair's done many times to top babyfaces) or pins him with the AA, he's done. No chance to avenge the loss, he's out.
Many want to compare Cena to Hogan. I say that's bullshit. Compare Cena to Lex Luger during his Lex Express days. Same body type, same disrespect for the business, and same wrestling style. Flair handled Luger in all their matches and in major matches with everything at stake, he wins.
Luger was a freaking fad that lasted a year. Cena has been the face of the company for 8 years and is a 13 time World Champion during that span. Cena's love for the business is well known, and documented, as every major wrestler in WWE has noted Cena as being the hardest working wrestler in the business.
Comparing Cena to Luger is asinine. Cena is a far more diverse and talented wrestler then Luger, has more longevity and time at the top, and has won far more championships. He's been the #1 guy in WWE for 8 years, that's unquestionable. Flair was always jockeying for that spot with Rhodes, Sting, Hogan, Savage, and others.
We can argue Cena's prime vs. Flair's prime all day - which favors Flair.
I'm not sure how, as he's lost major matches to every face he's every faced, and isn't comparable to Cena in terms of his time at the top, his title wins by age span, and doesn't have the success in big one on one matches that Cena does.
Flair made millions in one year time span without merchandise sales, PPV buyrates, and over-exposure on Social Media.
I'm not sure about how much Flair has made will win him a kayfabe match against Cena. And Flair had Horseman and individual t-shirts and major PPV buyrates throughout his career in WCW and WWF, so this statement is flat out wrong.
Cena's lost some big time matches and only steps it up when he needs to 'redeem' himself. It's like he has to lose just to win the big one. So he'll lose to Flair, and then next year we can make a case for Cena beating Flair in a 'Redemption' match.
You seem stuck on the 'Redemption point', but it was a one-time affair against the Rock. The other times Cena has had to 'redeem himself', as you say, was when he lost a gimmick match or was screwed out of a match. Flair wouldn't have that opportunity here, as it's a standard one on one, one and done match, which Cena rarely loses. And certainly not to a top heel, even Ric Flair. Every top heel of the modern era has succumbed to Cena in this type of match, and Flair has lost to every top babyface in these scenarios.
How exactly does this favor Flair in any way?
Be fair to Flair and vote him into the Final Four!
I'm not sure how it would be fair to Flair as he's inferior to Cena in every category that matters with regards to this match.
The only fair vote here goes to John Cena.
