i know im gonna get bashed by u lil wwe smarks cuz you love the ground that vkm walks on... but seriously i see a big race issue behind all of this...yea kofi has gotten his push...just like booker t was in wcw, the token black guy that got pushed to the moon cuz wcw didnt want to seem to racist. look at mvp and mark henry. mvp has so much potential, but yet wat does he do..nothing. mark henry, who last night was forced to rap? like thats the only thing black guys are good at wwe? really? carlito whos not black has never been given a fair shake cuz he speaks his mind and he's foreign, oh bad combo right there huh? lil bro primo is never on tv....chavo is made to look like less than a fuckin man to hornswoggle...r truth and his stupid rappin and dancin, probably forced by vinnie himself....whens the last time weve seen cryme tyme win gold....aw yea, never!!jimmy wang yang hasnt been on tv in a year...funaki..we'll just look at his career, stupid racist karate gimmick....i know its a storyline, but kozlov and regal turning on jackson for what? shelton benjamin who has so much wrestling ability, more than sheamus!! either im being paranoid or is this a coincidence
Carlito should be the one pushed ... NOT Sheamus
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The reason why Carlito hasn't gotten pushed is because he doesn't care. He seems like he's perfectly content to get his high-paying check from the WWE without contributing. He's come out against the WWE a bunch of times in interviews. Despite his malcontence and his laziness, the WWE is *gasp* going to give him yet another opportunity to try to prove himself. Of course, given his track record, he'll find another way to screw it up and be lazy. Hopefully that will give the WWE enough justification to go ahead and future endeavor him.
But Carlito is a perfect example of why ECW needs to stick around as a third brand. If Carlito had given a shit, perhaps he could be be in a pretty entertaining feud with Christian right now as he attempted to show the WWE that he belongs. If he came over to Raw and cut that promo last night after a lengthy run in ECW, that segment would have been huge and it really would have established Carlito as a major player.
They're giving Carlito a chance to finally prove he belongs, it seems. If/when he manages to fuck it up yet again, fire him and let him go back to Puerto Rico.
Someone upthread who knows his history says he added the H himself, not WWE.
As for why, I would guess that he always had ambitions of being a global wrestling star. People who aren't Irish or familiar with Irish-sounding stuff see an "S" and think that it's prounced with an S. (Crazy, huh?) They would see his name and think is was pronounced "See-mus" or "See-a-mus." Who the hell needs the hassle of constantly correcting people about his ring hame? Just add an H to the stage name and move on.
I didn't know the name had an H in it--I've been posting and spelling his name Seamus, since I had never seen it written down, or at least never paid attention.
Little Jerry Lawler
Sigmund Freud On Ritalin And Roids
So many things wrong with this post and so little time. Wait I have the time.
When has Carlito never been given a fair shake? He beat John Cena his first night in the company for the U.S. Title and beat Benjamin in his RAW debut. Then he got lazy and didn't care and his push was dropped drastically. Primo just sucks plain and simple so that's why he isn't on TV much. Cryme Tyme just isn't that good of a tag team and the jury's been out on Shelton Benjamin but he has improved some. It's not an issue of race but if you want to embarrass yourself further, go right ahead.
So many things wrong with this post and so little time. Wait I have the time.
When has Carlito never been given a fair shake? He beat John Cena his first night in the company for the U.S. Title and beat Benjamin in his RAW debut. Then he got lazy and didn't care and his push was dropped drastically. Primo just sucks plain and simple so that's why he isn't on TV much. Cryme Tyme just isn't that good of a tag team and the jury's been out on Shelton Benjamin but he has improved some. It's not an issue of race but if you want to embarrass yourself further, go right ahead.
really? he beat cena his first night...then wat he gets injured goes over to raw, gets buried after fighting for the wwe title, him and masters...he proved himself back in 05-06 u douche. primo does not suck lameass. how is sheamus or drew mcintyre any better, why cuz ur led to believe they are cuz vince tells u theyre good? get a mind of ur own lil dude. last time i checked cryme tyme was a pretty decent tag team, and gets one of the loudest pops in the arena, how is that not enough. cuz the vanilla midget and the 800 pound big slow deserve the titles and they arent even helping the titles anymore. yea i sure did embarass myself asshole
When has Carlito never been given a fair shake? He beat John Cena his first night in the company for the U.S. Title and beat Benjamin in his RAW debut. Then he got lazy and didn't care and his push was dropped drastically. Primo just sucks plain and simple so that's why he isn't on TV much. Cryme Tyme just isn't that good of a tag team and the jury's been out on Shelton Benjamin but he has improved some. It's not an issue of race but if you want to embarrass yourself further, go right ahead.
really? he beat cena his first night...then wat he gets injured goes over to raw, gets buried after fighting for the wwe title, him and masters...he proved himself back in 05-06 u douche. primo does not suck lameass. how is sheamus or drew mcintyre any better, why cuz ur led to believe they are cuz vince tells u theyre good? get a mind of ur own lil dude. last time i checked cryme tyme was a pretty decent tag team, and gets one of the loudest pops in the arena, how is that not enough. cuz the vanilla midget and the 800 pound big slow deserve the titles and they arent even helping the titles anymore. yea i sure did embarass myself asshole
They may not be. They may flame out worse than Carlito did, and get released within a year. Or they may work out and get a good run in the midcard, working towards being main event players in a couple of years.
But with Sheamus or McIntyre, we don't really know what potential they have, how much they'll develop. Maybe they'll get better, maybe they won't. But as brand new guys, they have upside. They could be a lot better in a year than they were a month or two ago.
Carlito on the other hand, seems to have plateaued. He has enough talent, ability, look, charisma and gimmick to stay employed. He's recognizable, he has trademarks so that casual fans have come to recognize him over the last four or five years that he's been on Raw or SD.
But he hasn't gotten any better. He hasn't advanced.
Maybe that's his fault, maybe it's WWE's fault, maybe it's both of their faults, maybe it's nobody's fault and the stars just didn't line up. But it's the truth.
He's someone that could benefit from a move. He's where he is and what he is, and it doesn't look like he'll be anything more on Raw or Smackdown. Good enough to hang around for a decade--Val Venis and Hardcore Holly and Viscera did it without much more than Carlito has, so why not him?
Maybe if he went to TNA, the different environment would bring more out of him. It's a less crowded roster, maybe he would see a shot at the top and work his ass off and become a star. Or maybe he'd be a Puerto Rican Rhino in TNA, still a midcarder going nowhere as the years tick away.
Maybe if he went to ECW, being a featured player again would be good for him. On a roster with Christian, Regal, Shelton Benjamin, Zach Ryder and a bunch of complete rookies, he'd get some attention from the writers, and maybe something could be built.
But as it is, there's no reason to expect 2010 or 2011 to be any different for Carlito on the main WWE roster than 2009 or 2008 or 2007.
Little Jerry Lawler
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That was a long time ago and after that what did he do? Nothing but be in a nothing team with Ric Flair and then they feuded for a bit then Carlito disappeared off the face of the earth. Sheamus and McIntyre have been working harder than Carlito can dream of. What has Cryme Tyme done inside the ring that's any good? At least Big Show and Jericho can put on some decent matches unlike the boys from Brooklyn. How would Cryme Tyme help the titles exactly?
Creative has consistently destroyed any momentum Carlito was ever able to build.
From US title, IC title, and Elimination Chamber one minute to stupid Trish/Torrie Wilson ladies man gimmick the next. Having him get mentored by Flair, only to LOSE to Flair when he turns. Beat John Cena on RAW and tagging with Randy Orton, then having him get murdered by Triple H in a match where Carlito is allowed to use weapons and getting humiliated by Hornswoggle. Have him unify the tag-team titles with his brother, and make no effort to build the split up in any way whatsoever. The guy has performed when asked until dropped, and they hardly let him use his greatest device: the mic. It's not hard to see where one's work ethic would vaporize.
There's countless ways to make a constructive angle out of this with Carlito, but I'm sure even if he were to become relevant again and have a great match against a top face, he'd be relegated to getting humiliated by guest hosts in no time. Carlito has beaten Cena many times in the past, I would love an angle that revolves around Carlito always finding ways to beat Cena when no one else on the roster can.
From US title, IC title, and Elimination Chamber one minute to stupid Trish/Torrie Wilson ladies man gimmick the next. Having him get mentored by Flair, only to LOSE to Flair when he turns. Beat John Cena on RAW and tagging with Randy Orton, then having him get murdered by Triple H in a match where Carlito is allowed to use weapons and getting humiliated by Hornswoggle. Have him unify the tag-team titles with his brother, and make no effort to build the split up in any way whatsoever. The guy has performed when asked until dropped, and they hardly let him use his greatest device: the mic. It's not hard to see where one's work ethic would vaporize.
There's countless ways to make a constructive angle out of this with Carlito, but I'm sure even if he were to become relevant again and have a great match against a top face, he'd be relegated to getting humiliated by guest hosts in no time. Carlito has beaten Cena many times in the past, I would love an angle that revolves around Carlito always finding ways to beat Cena when no one else on the roster can.
Please keep in mind, I haven't read anyone's post in here.
Why in the fuck should Carlito be pushed? He's a terrible wrestler, he's terrible on the mic, he's terribly boring, and basically just terrible. There is NOTHING even remotely redeeming about Carlito and he's a guy who will never draw money. Why push him in favor of someone who might actually be something some day?
Why in the fuck should Carlito be pushed? He's a terrible wrestler, he's terrible on the mic, he's terribly boring, and basically just terrible. There is NOTHING even remotely redeeming about Carlito and he's a guy who will never draw money. Why push him in favor of someone who might actually be something some day?
klunderbunker
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Sheamus isn't going to be a long term guy in the main event, but he's perfect for what they're doing with him. He's there to give a nice breather into the main event scene for a weak PPV. It worked for years for Hogan so it can work for three weeks for Cena here. Sheamus is in this spot because he's bigger than Cena and intimidating looking. Carlito looks rather pathetic physically. He's ok, but Sheamus is a monster being pushed for a quick feud against Cena, which is all he's supposed to do. This should be fine. Carlito has never done a thing and until he's repackaged, he's worthless.
I've seen Carlito in wrestling since 2001. Yes, he is lazy. He's in the wrestling business because his dad is in charge of WWC. He was awesome back then and got his shot at WWE. When he made it to the "ever demanding" main roster, the schedule got to him. In my eyes, he's got the talent, looks and charisma to go all the way, but as long as he has no drive, he won't go far. As for Sheamus, I don't know? He's too young for the main event. He'll probably be squashed and fall on to complete obscurity like all the other tough guys with monster attitudes that have come before him.
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Carlito's had years to get up there. Every time they gave him the ball, he dropped it. If any of the Colon brothers deserve a push, it's Primo. And not a main event push, just an exploratory type of thing where they give him time to build a personality
Sheamus has a ton of promo potential and he's looked pretty good in the ring. His feud with Goldust was pretty good, his matches with Shelton were good, etc. Although I fear he might be getting pushed way too fast, way too soon.
Drew McIntyre has a look, a good looking finisher.. but yeah. He's not there yet. They need to put him with someone to beat some skill into him. Finlay, perhaps.
I don't know why they don't go with guys who are already on the cusp. Swagger, Dolph, Miz, Morrison. They're doing it with Kofi, but there are other guys who are more ready than an Escobar, McIntyre and such.
Sheamus has a ton of promo potential and he's looked pretty good in the ring. His feud with Goldust was pretty good, his matches with Shelton were good, etc. Although I fear he might be getting pushed way too fast, way too soon.
Drew McIntyre has a look, a good looking finisher.. but yeah. He's not there yet. They need to put him with someone to beat some skill into him. Finlay, perhaps.
I don't know why they don't go with guys who are already on the cusp. Swagger, Dolph, Miz, Morrison. They're doing it with Kofi, but there are other guys who are more ready than an Escobar, McIntyre and such.
After last night, I'd say that they made the right choice in pushing Sheamus over Carlito. What did Carlito do to justify anyone wanting him pushed? Time in the company? That doesn't get you anywhere. Look at all the other guys that squandered for years before getting cut loose.
I'd even venture to say that Carlito is only under contract because Vince doesn't want him going to TNA. He's OK on the mic, but his matches are pretty vanilla, and I don't see why he should be near a belt...
I'd even venture to say that Carlito is only under contract because Vince doesn't want him going to TNA. He's OK on the mic, but his matches are pretty vanilla, and I don't see why he should be near a belt...
I can't fathom why anybody would want Carlito to get pushed. Earlier in this thread I listed out his entire WWE career, and to prove my point I will list it again:
There. That's all he's done in over 5 years. He has done absolutely nothing to earn a big push. He's never going to get a big push. There is also the fact that nothing he does is in the least bit entertaining. Carlito has never entertained me, ever. Not even during his Unified Tag Team Championship run with his brother. The thread's name could not be any more wrong because Carlito has yet to prove it to the fans (after FIVE YEARS) that he deserves a push. There is absolutely NO reason why Carlito should ever get pushed rather than Sheamus. NONE!
There. That's all he's done in over 5 years. He has done absolutely nothing to earn a big push. He's never going to get a big push. There is also the fact that nothing he does is in the least bit entertaining. Carlito has never entertained me, ever. Not even during his Unified Tag Team Championship run with his brother. The thread's name could not be any more wrong because Carlito has yet to prove it to the fans (after FIVE YEARS) that he deserves a push. There is absolutely NO reason why Carlito should ever get pushed rather than Sheamus. NONE!
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Although, it would essentially bring Carlito back to his roots to feud with Cena, this would be a pointless feud. Carlito is nowhere near as over as he once was, and he's quite stale and not relevant. Besides, I would rather not see Cena and Carlito feud again. While I enjoyed that feud at the time, I don't think it'd work quite the same. Carlito just doesn't have the itensity or the look to really be taken seriously as a top level heel, nor has he done anything to make himself be taken seriously.
robwylde90
Celtic Warrior
Ok I'm gonna go and say the two things that are apparently mandatory in this thread 1) Carlito is good but 2) He's lazy.
Ok, glad I got that out of the way.
Now I have to make it clear that I'm a fan of Carlito and have been since he debuted, that big ol' sideshow bob hairdo and south american accent get me every time so I'll try to keep my bias to a minimum.
Oh and one more thing, the guy that posted a page or so ago, "darbar"? "darbare"? Whoever he is, he is clearly 2 things, 1) Paranoid and 2) Lightly ******ed. Glad I got that out of the way as well, now onto buisness.
Yes, Carlito is lazy and yes he has a problem with WWE management, and I'd also say that the former stems from the latter in his case.
Think back to what has basically been the pinnical of Carlito's career so far...got it?...That's right , being the last man eliminated in the elimination chamber match at new years revolution 2006. That night , between Carlito and Chris Masters, they eliminated not only Kane but HBK as well, hell Carlito even pinned Shawn cleanly, and they then gave Cena a run for his money as well.
At that point , to me at least, the WWE had started to turn the corner, the new talent had pinned the old talent and looked damn good doing it , Carlito and Masters actually looked in place alongside old hands like Cena, Michaels, Kane and Kurt Angle.
Then what happened? Carlito and Masters are thrown into a feud with then world tag team champions , Big Show and Kane, which to the naked eye seemed like a continuation of their momentum from NYR....Ah, but how did that feud end?
Ah, yes...Big Show and Kane destroyed Carlito and Masters at wrestlemania 22, and made them look worthless. Now is it just me or why would they give the win to 2 monsters who really didn't need the win in the slightest? Hell, look at Kane, he's basically been jobbing for 5 years and is still more over than most. So then the guys who looked like main eventers now look like chumps again.
Now, look at this from Carlito's point of view, up until this point you've been over (some people may not like Carlito but you have to admit, the man was over with the audience) and maintaining a pretty good standard of match as well (again up to this point), you're finally given a pretty good push or so it seems and then through no fault of your own, your back to where you started, hell maybe even further back.
From that point on Carlito never really retained the quality he had before NYR and if you look at it from his point, why should he? To have his hopes built up again? Now I'm not saying this excuses Carlito's laziness but I think it could explain quite a bit of it. Or maybe I'm just making excuses, I did say I was a fan of Carlito after all, take from it what you will.
Anyway to close, why would WWE possibly give the push Sheamus is getting to Carlito? Yeah, let's take a guy who hasn't been on TV in god knows how long, who we've seen before and make him somehow seemingly able to stand up to superman Cena...or we could stop taking the crazy pills and just give it to the Irish monster who we can take semi seriously.
Let's say Carlito does take his finger out of his arse and actually puts the work in from now on , it would take a good 6 months of slow pushing to make him seem at least credible again, and of course that's assuming the WWE actually wanted to push him. Thats 2 big IF's right there.
Nope, I don't want to believe it but Carlito will be one of biggest wastes of talent in WWE history.
Ok, glad I got that out of the way.
Now I have to make it clear that I'm a fan of Carlito and have been since he debuted, that big ol' sideshow bob hairdo and south american accent get me every time so I'll try to keep my bias to a minimum.
Oh and one more thing, the guy that posted a page or so ago, "darbar"? "darbare"? Whoever he is, he is clearly 2 things, 1) Paranoid and 2) Lightly ******ed. Glad I got that out of the way as well, now onto buisness.
Yes, Carlito is lazy and yes he has a problem with WWE management, and I'd also say that the former stems from the latter in his case.
Think back to what has basically been the pinnical of Carlito's career so far...got it?...That's right , being the last man eliminated in the elimination chamber match at new years revolution 2006. That night , between Carlito and Chris Masters, they eliminated not only Kane but HBK as well, hell Carlito even pinned Shawn cleanly, and they then gave Cena a run for his money as well.
At that point , to me at least, the WWE had started to turn the corner, the new talent had pinned the old talent and looked damn good doing it , Carlito and Masters actually looked in place alongside old hands like Cena, Michaels, Kane and Kurt Angle.
Then what happened? Carlito and Masters are thrown into a feud with then world tag team champions , Big Show and Kane, which to the naked eye seemed like a continuation of their momentum from NYR....Ah, but how did that feud end?
Ah, yes...Big Show and Kane destroyed Carlito and Masters at wrestlemania 22, and made them look worthless. Now is it just me or why would they give the win to 2 monsters who really didn't need the win in the slightest? Hell, look at Kane, he's basically been jobbing for 5 years and is still more over than most. So then the guys who looked like main eventers now look like chumps again.
Now, look at this from Carlito's point of view, up until this point you've been over (some people may not like Carlito but you have to admit, the man was over with the audience) and maintaining a pretty good standard of match as well (again up to this point), you're finally given a pretty good push or so it seems and then through no fault of your own, your back to where you started, hell maybe even further back.
From that point on Carlito never really retained the quality he had before NYR and if you look at it from his point, why should he? To have his hopes built up again? Now I'm not saying this excuses Carlito's laziness but I think it could explain quite a bit of it. Or maybe I'm just making excuses, I did say I was a fan of Carlito after all, take from it what you will.
Anyway to close, why would WWE possibly give the push Sheamus is getting to Carlito? Yeah, let's take a guy who hasn't been on TV in god knows how long, who we've seen before and make him somehow seemingly able to stand up to superman Cena...or we could stop taking the crazy pills and just give it to the Irish monster who we can take semi seriously.
Let's say Carlito does take his finger out of his arse and actually puts the work in from now on , it would take a good 6 months of slow pushing to make him seem at least credible again, and of course that's assuming the WWE actually wanted to push him. Thats 2 big IF's right there.
Nope, I don't want to believe it but Carlito will be one of biggest wastes of talent in WWE history.
While I would argue Carlito is more talented than Sheamus in a heartbeat (right now, anyway), to say he deserves this push over Sheamus is just not right, if you ask me.
Why? Simple... I'm sure Sheamus appreciates the push he's receiving and I think he's going to do everything he can to make it work; whereas I highly doubt Carlito gives a damn what he's doing, as long as he's receiving a paycheck. If someone is in the business for money only, and actually doesn't have a passion for the sport... then they don't deserve a push of any kind on television.
If Carlito gave a damn what he did every week, he would have left WWE for TNA long ago. But he doesn't care, so why should we?
Why? Simple... I'm sure Sheamus appreciates the push he's receiving and I think he's going to do everything he can to make it work; whereas I highly doubt Carlito gives a damn what he's doing, as long as he's receiving a paycheck. If someone is in the business for money only, and actually doesn't have a passion for the sport... then they don't deserve a push of any kind on television.
If Carlito gave a damn what he did every week, he would have left WWE for TNA long ago. But he doesn't care, so why should we?
I think this sheamus push is to keep wrestling fans interesting in wrestling and for wwe to throw a different kind of swerve, which is a good idea. Should carlito get a push? No not after last night but I would put him b4 Sheamus. Despite his laziness Carlito has done things. Sheamus beats one mid-carder, retires a jobber, Go to his first ppv and gets a push. At TLC its gonna be sink or swim time for this guy. Atleast swagger would be more of a threat then sheamus. Even though I think swagger is boring.
burnout4200
Pre-Show Stalwart
I'll get this out of the way right now. Carlito is my favorite wrestler in The WWE. I love a good underdog and hey he's a good one.
Noone really hit on the most important point. Wrestling is a job. You get annoyed and disgruntled at your job or your school don't you? I don't know exactly how long Carlito has been in WWE because I'm horrible at estimating time but after a few years it's simply a given that an employee is going to complain to their boss a few times. It's unavoidable when it comes to that ammount of time. Oddly enough Jericho gets praised for it by the IWC while Carlito gets degraded for it, and he doesn't even take his disagreements into the public eye like Jericho does.
Put yourself in Carlito's shoes. Once you become disgruntled you lose motivation. You get handed your weekly script and walk out there and do it anyway while knowing the fans won't get into it. Meanwhile Triple H walks off with his good script smiling. You watch everyone else do good stuff while you get stuck with something off of Dagger Dias's list. 9 months later, more crap, but I had one good storyline that got the crowd behind me. Too bad I got jobbed for the next 4 months ruining it. Motivation lowers again, maybe you don't run as fast because you were cramped up in a two door car for 18 hours next to some smelly dude with enlarged pythons. Maybe in these 9 month's you've been wrestling 2-3 times a week with nagging injuries. Suddenly you stop to think about how you've been killing yourself for 9 months and yet you're still getting the crappy scripts. Hmm, maybe I should dial down a notch because my back is fucking killing me. Does that make you lazy, or does it make you like damn near every other employee in the world?
Granted, employees are supposed to just deal with what they're givin because that's what they're paid for. There's one big difference here. Carlito has helped carry a promotion in Puerto Rico for years. He knows what kind of reaction he can get out of a crowd and worse yet he knows he can deliver better promos than the rest of the wrestlers. He's not developing, he's defined and he's ready. Management knows all of this but they still refuse to pull the trigger. Instead they make Carlito give the important promo that will get Sheamus over while setting Carlito up for a horrible squash by Cena. But hey, Shawn Micheals and Triple H want Sheamus and that ****** from Smackdown at the top of the card so they can continue to look like the best main eventers since the new ones are half assed all around.
Maybe you think he should go above and beyond the script and deliver in the ring enough to win the fans over. That's a perfect idea IWC people! One problem, WWE wrestlers are limited when it comes to what they can do in the ring. Also the main event wrestling style does not involve any type of aerial maneuvers unless Vince decides to make an exception. If Carlito goes out there and wows us it could potentially knock him down a step on the ladder.
Maybe he should put a little something extra into his promo's. Great idea. Uh oh, here comes Vince screaming again "Why did you say that? That wasn't on that script! What was that look you gave the camera? That's out of your character! Keep it simple Carlito". Damn now he made the boss mad. There's another 6 months of jobbing. At that point you know your work ethic isn't going to make a difference. I'll dial down just a half a notch this time and cruise through my punishment period.
The problem with the IWC is that noone is able to look at both sides of a story. You're too quick to judge a book by it's cover. I can see Carlito's flaws but to me it's part of his character. He's Carlito Cool, laid back in The Carlito Cabanna. Maybe these flaws don't stick out so much to me because he's supposed to be a laid back character. If he gets lazy in the ring I don't notice because the laid back character is making his actions look nonchalant or easy with little effort. If he seems like he doesn't care while delivering a promo it's because Carlito wouldn't care. It's a laid back character and I truly believe that people mistake it for laziness because he plays it so well. I happen to be a huge fan of the laid back style so obviously I'm an RVD fan as well. My dream is for a stoner character but I know I'm never going to get a good one lol.
Despite his size Carlito would be the perfect guy to start handing the good scripts to. When he gets a good one he delivers. Instead unfortunatly, if you didn't notice, Carlito was the one stuck getting pinned in every multi man IC/Kofi match immediatly after hitting his backstabber to pop the crowd for Kofi. He can get the guy over but he can't be the guy.
Noone really hit on the most important point. Wrestling is a job. You get annoyed and disgruntled at your job or your school don't you? I don't know exactly how long Carlito has been in WWE because I'm horrible at estimating time but after a few years it's simply a given that an employee is going to complain to their boss a few times. It's unavoidable when it comes to that ammount of time. Oddly enough Jericho gets praised for it by the IWC while Carlito gets degraded for it, and he doesn't even take his disagreements into the public eye like Jericho does.
Put yourself in Carlito's shoes. Once you become disgruntled you lose motivation. You get handed your weekly script and walk out there and do it anyway while knowing the fans won't get into it. Meanwhile Triple H walks off with his good script smiling. You watch everyone else do good stuff while you get stuck with something off of Dagger Dias's list. 9 months later, more crap, but I had one good storyline that got the crowd behind me. Too bad I got jobbed for the next 4 months ruining it. Motivation lowers again, maybe you don't run as fast because you were cramped up in a two door car for 18 hours next to some smelly dude with enlarged pythons. Maybe in these 9 month's you've been wrestling 2-3 times a week with nagging injuries. Suddenly you stop to think about how you've been killing yourself for 9 months and yet you're still getting the crappy scripts. Hmm, maybe I should dial down a notch because my back is fucking killing me. Does that make you lazy, or does it make you like damn near every other employee in the world?
Granted, employees are supposed to just deal with what they're givin because that's what they're paid for. There's one big difference here. Carlito has helped carry a promotion in Puerto Rico for years. He knows what kind of reaction he can get out of a crowd and worse yet he knows he can deliver better promos than the rest of the wrestlers. He's not developing, he's defined and he's ready. Management knows all of this but they still refuse to pull the trigger. Instead they make Carlito give the important promo that will get Sheamus over while setting Carlito up for a horrible squash by Cena. But hey, Shawn Micheals and Triple H want Sheamus and that ****** from Smackdown at the top of the card so they can continue to look like the best main eventers since the new ones are half assed all around.
Maybe you think he should go above and beyond the script and deliver in the ring enough to win the fans over. That's a perfect idea IWC people! One problem, WWE wrestlers are limited when it comes to what they can do in the ring. Also the main event wrestling style does not involve any type of aerial maneuvers unless Vince decides to make an exception. If Carlito goes out there and wows us it could potentially knock him down a step on the ladder.
Maybe he should put a little something extra into his promo's. Great idea. Uh oh, here comes Vince screaming again "Why did you say that? That wasn't on that script! What was that look you gave the camera? That's out of your character! Keep it simple Carlito". Damn now he made the boss mad. There's another 6 months of jobbing. At that point you know your work ethic isn't going to make a difference. I'll dial down just a half a notch this time and cruise through my punishment period.
The problem with the IWC is that noone is able to look at both sides of a story. You're too quick to judge a book by it's cover. I can see Carlito's flaws but to me it's part of his character. He's Carlito Cool, laid back in The Carlito Cabanna. Maybe these flaws don't stick out so much to me because he's supposed to be a laid back character. If he gets lazy in the ring I don't notice because the laid back character is making his actions look nonchalant or easy with little effort. If he seems like he doesn't care while delivering a promo it's because Carlito wouldn't care. It's a laid back character and I truly believe that people mistake it for laziness because he plays it so well. I happen to be a huge fan of the laid back style so obviously I'm an RVD fan as well. My dream is for a stoner character but I know I'm never going to get a good one lol.
Despite his size Carlito would be the perfect guy to start handing the good scripts to. When he gets a good one he delivers. Instead unfortunatly, if you didn't notice, Carlito was the one stuck getting pinned in every multi man IC/Kofi match immediatly after hitting his backstabber to pop the crowd for Kofi. He can get the guy over but he can't be the guy.
King Douche
Pre-Show Stalwart
I think the main reason whot main eventing cause he is lazy as hell. I mean he is a good wrestler and good on the mic. If he was used correctly could be a great heel. When he first came into WWE he was awesome man. Loved how he beat down Cena his first night in the WWE and on top of that won the U.S. Championship. Then him stabbing Cena in the kidney at a Boston bar was awesome to make it seem Carlito put Cena out of action for awhile. But then when Carlito first left SD for the first time things went downhill for him. He became the Smackdown janiator and worked as one of the service people backstage in an angle with Teddy Long when he tried to get him fired from Smackdown. Then became a jobber afterwards. Wouldl ike to see him main event one day but he has to stop being lazy.
I respect your opinion, but I absolutely disagree with everything you just said. First off, Carlito doesn't even care about WWE. Why should WWE Push him let alone care about him? All Carlito ever wants is to be pushed, and when they do that, he still looks like he don't give a damn. I'd rather they fire him now, 'cause he's just embarassing himself.
Onto Sheamus. This guy may have been pushed way too fast, even so faster than Brock Lesnar (I believe). But hey, isn't everyone always complaining about how WWE doesn't ever push young talent, and just has the same people as champions? Sure, They could've waited until later to put it on Sheamus, but maybe they really wanna build up thos guy, to REALLY be the next Big thing. I personally liked how Cena put him over. I'm not really a fan of Cena, but I respected him even more for putting him over pretty cleanly at the Pay per view. I marked out when Sheamus won; One of the greatest OMG moments of WWE History.
So yeah, just my opinion.
Onto Sheamus. This guy may have been pushed way too fast, even so faster than Brock Lesnar (I believe). But hey, isn't everyone always complaining about how WWE doesn't ever push young talent, and just has the same people as champions? Sure, They could've waited until later to put it on Sheamus, but maybe they really wanna build up thos guy, to REALLY be the next Big thing. I personally liked how Cena put him over. I'm not really a fan of Cena, but I respected him even more for putting him over pretty cleanly at the Pay per view. I marked out when Sheamus won; One of the greatest OMG moments of WWE History.
So yeah, just my opinion.
Kenny Powers
Bulletproof Tiger
Just because Carlito has been in the company 5 years without doing anything since, he deserves a main event push? Jamie Noble has been with the company for a while, why don't we drag him out of retirement and have him feud with Cena. Insane.
As far as Primo goes, that guy is about as entertaining as dry wall. I would rather bring back washed up Marty Jannety to feud in the main event then these no talent hacks. These guys wouldn't draw flies at a compost heap.
I'm no Sheamus fan, but at least he is a more believable contender then Carlito. I don't see why Vince keeps him around. Let him go to TNA. Do you really think he will be a big star there? he will stay for a few months before complaining about not being in the main event, then he will leave.
As far as Primo goes, that guy is about as entertaining as dry wall. I would rather bring back washed up Marty Jannety to feud in the main event then these no talent hacks. These guys wouldn't draw flies at a compost heap.
I'm no Sheamus fan, but at least he is a more believable contender then Carlito. I don't see why Vince keeps him around. Let him go to TNA. Do you really think he will be a big star there? he will stay for a few months before complaining about not being in the main event, then he will leave.
I don't think wwe dropped the ball with carlito. I believe carlito's big fucking mouth got him in the spot he's in. The dude's a whiner. Period. Is he talented? Hell yeah he is. Is he better than sheamus? At this point, yes he is. However, sheamus has a unique look, isn't horrible as many of you like to say, and has a ton of potential. Carlito, well, he just fucked himself by talking shit on one of the company's top draws. Not to mention trips is vince's son in law. Which makes him an easy target(HHH). Really if carlito went out on the radio, in print, or on the net and talked the shit he did about any of the top draws in wwe (HHH, HBK, Cena, Taker)he'd be in the spot he's in now. Just can't do that shit. Sheamus is going to be a star. Some of you get blinded by the fact it's HHH saying sheamus has 'it'. It's a shame cuz the guys getting hated on because some of you blindly hate HHH cuz it's the cool thing to do. I seem to recall Cena got his break cuz HHH saw the potential in him too. Love him or hate him Cena's the biggest thing in wrestling today. Carlito is a fuckhead. He should ask for his release if he hates it that much there. He won't though. WWE is the big time. Carlito knows this. He's got to understand he did this to himself by bitching and moaning to any media outlet that would listen to him. Sheamus is going to be just fine. Better than fine. Should Carlito get the push Sheamus is getting? No. He doesn't deserve it. He's lazy, a whiney douchebag, and made his own bed by being such a bitch.
Carlito doesn't deserve anything. I find him really entertaining but what is the point in the company investing in somebody lazy who puts in effort for about two months then stops doing so? Sheamus has consistently improved over his short time in the WWE and has always given his all in both matches and promos. Carlito has done the bare minimum not to get released, and people still don't give a shit about him. The only thing that Carlito deserves is an attitude adjustment, and if he does, he might have a better career than one that involves repeatedly taking, well, attitude adjusters.
Big Nick Dudley
Nick
Not sure how much wrestling you have watched, Doctor Awesome (nice name), but a Hogan mark I am not. I have watched since I was like two years old (no, I am not saying I can remember everything) and what I cannot remember, I have watched on tape or read about, my father was huge fan all of his life as well. Hogan was in no way my guy back then. Of course, like every other 6 or 7 year old, I liked him, but then it's time (for some of us, anyway) to grow up. And as much as Hogan makes me sick today, he was 10x the champion Cena will ever be. Anyway, the David Arquette thing was a joke, so relax. No rational human being would say he was ACTUALLY a better champion, nor would anyone say Vince Russo was.
I was using extreme humor to get a reaction and my point across as to how strongly I felt, and, well, I did. Cena is terrible. May just be the hardest workin' man in the business, but that doesn't mean he is in the same leauge as some others (Orton, Jericho, Michaels, HHH, Taker, Punk). In my opion, as "bookerman" or whatever the hell you said, I never would have pushed him to where he is. He isn't where he is because the fans wanted him, he is there because he is consistently shoved down our throats (and he sells tons of merch. to children). Other guys are far more deserving, based on talent alone. And, let's not forget that he is generally not accepted by fans, in general. I was at Mania 23, when he took on Michaels here in Detroit, and I have never seen the kind of heat he had to endure. I loved the Attitude Era during the Monday Night Wars, so maybe I am a bit spoiled, because that was a great time to be a wrestling fan. But the product they have out there today, it stinks, and nothing some elitist punk like you says is going to change my mind about that.
And as for this being my second career post, I forgot the password to my other account. I think I know a great deal about wrestling, and from reading your post, you seem to as well, no matter how hard that is for me to say after all the shots you took at me. And furthermore, it's a forum, and I can write EXACTLY the way I would book anytime I feel like jumpin' on here. If you like wrestling today, fine with me. But I can, and will, tell you how much I do not like it, because I have went to twenty-plus live shows in my life, bought numerous WWF/WWE/WCW ppv's, and own plenty of DVD's and VHS tapes. I can say whatever I want, and have my opinion. So go ahead and tramle on those opinions, it's your right. Just like it's my right to call you an idiot...idiot.
I was using extreme humor to get a reaction and my point across as to how strongly I felt, and, well, I did. Cena is terrible. May just be the hardest workin' man in the business, but that doesn't mean he is in the same leauge as some others (Orton, Jericho, Michaels, HHH, Taker, Punk). In my opion, as "bookerman" or whatever the hell you said, I never would have pushed him to where he is. He isn't where he is because the fans wanted him, he is there because he is consistently shoved down our throats (and he sells tons of merch. to children). Other guys are far more deserving, based on talent alone. And, let's not forget that he is generally not accepted by fans, in general. I was at Mania 23, when he took on Michaels here in Detroit, and I have never seen the kind of heat he had to endure. I loved the Attitude Era during the Monday Night Wars, so maybe I am a bit spoiled, because that was a great time to be a wrestling fan. But the product they have out there today, it stinks, and nothing some elitist punk like you says is going to change my mind about that.
And as for this being my second career post, I forgot the password to my other account. I think I know a great deal about wrestling, and from reading your post, you seem to as well, no matter how hard that is for me to say after all the shots you took at me. And furthermore, it's a forum, and I can write EXACTLY the way I would book anytime I feel like jumpin' on here. If you like wrestling today, fine with me. But I can, and will, tell you how much I do not like it, because I have went to twenty-plus live shows in my life, bought numerous WWF/WWE/WCW ppv's, and own plenty of DVD's and VHS tapes. I can say whatever I want, and have my opinion. So go ahead and tramle on those opinions, it's your right. Just like it's my right to call you an idiot...idiot.
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