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Can Brock Lesnar really wrestle?

mkw1962

mkw1962

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This might be a stupid question to some and this might be a good question to others. I was talking with some friends the other day at work, we are all wrestling fans and the question came up. It seems as though a lot of people talk about how great Brock is and the WWE would lose ratings if he was not there. I think he can't wrestle all he does is suplex and F5 his opponents, you never see him do any other moves like a clothesline or a bodyslam, maybe even a spear or the big boot to the face. I do not dislike Brock but he is boring in the ring, put him up against a powerhouse who can wrestle and Brock should not be unbeatable. So what do you guys think am I on to something or am I just crazy.
 
It's apart of his character. Lesnar is "real". Lesnar is dominant. He currently has the F5, Suplex, and Kimura Lock. What else does he need? He's not there to put on a show; he's there to kick his opponent's ass. Some are not a fan of that style, but the majority absolutely loves his wrestling style and matches.
 
mkw1962 said:
This might be a stupid question to some and this might be a good question to others. I was talking with some friends the other day at work, we are all wrestling fans and the question came up. It seems as though a lot of people talk about how great Brock is and the WWE would lose ratings if he was not there. I think he can't wrestle all he does is suplex and F5 his opponents, you never see him do any other moves like a clothesline or a bodyslam, maybe even a spear or the big boot to the face. I do not dislike Brock but he is boring in the ring, put him up against a powerhouse who can wrestle and Brock should not be unbeatable. So what do you guys think am I on to something or am I just crazy.
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Yes he can wrestle. In his first outing with the WWE in the early 2000's, he won a couple of championship belts, two or three I think, and he won either the Rumble or he was KOTR, I believe. I don't remember much of him back then. That was a time when I really wasn't watching much, but he was apparently quite good.

He really doesn't need anymore moves than the ones he has. All of them are pretty devastating if done right, and he's not known for long term matches. More like get in, kick the guys ass, and get out.
 
He can wrestle, watch his stuff from 02-04. He was pretty reckless at times, dropping A-Train and Holly on their heads, but he can go. For a lot of people, he goes against the grain. Neville, Rollins and hell, even lately Cena, have been pulling new moves out of their arsenals. But i'm perfectly happy with suplex, repeat, suplex repeat. Funny how Heyman drives that into your head and then it becomes exactly what you want to see.
 
You really need to watch his older matches. Like others have said it's just part of his character now and what fans wanna see from him.

I have to admit though, the 20 suplexes are getting a little boring.
 
Brock Lesnar used to be able to wrestle. Now he chooses not to, because he's not paid to. Lesnar will not do one thing without being paid. I wouldn't be at all surprised if he has a suplex bonus in his contract where he gets an additional $20,000 for every suplex he does in a match, but they deduct $5,000 for every move he does that's not a suplex. The Lesnar marks in the crowd who just want to see him do nothing but suplexes and an eventual F5 are making his matches even more boring, because he has even less of a reason to do anything interesting.
 
Check out his matches with Kurt Angle. The dude was a bad ass. He was an awesome wrestler but he changed his style since coming back from UFC. If it made sense for him to do more in the ring he would. He used to do a shooting star when he was in OVW.
 
Every era has an near-unbeatable superstar, and Brock Lesnar is that guy from the ongoing Reality Era. The unbeatable character should stay because it fits him excellently and he totally looks the part he is playing. When he comes to wrestle in MMA shorts and without a shirt, he looks like the human version of a battle tank. A person beast like him doesn't have to do traditional wrestling moves like Body slams and Irish whips to wear down his opponent; all he needs are some basic punches, kicks, a few German suplexes and an F-5. That's it.
Can Brock really wrestle? You bet. He has had a successful amateur wrestling career of 106 wins and 5 losses. What's the ratio then? 21:1?
 
Go back and check out his matches against Angle. Check out his matches in Japan as well. He was an NCAA wrestling champion, so he can definitely wrestle. He is one of WWE's biggest mainstream attractions.

His wrestling style is based heavily on his booking and his gimmick as the legit fighter. It's Iike Cena or most WWE wrestlers, they're instructed to do a few signature moves and that's it.

On top of that Brock's passion for the business is always in question. He can't completely hate wrestling, but there's a chance that a lack could lead to a lack of motivation, but I'm inclined to believe it's somewhere in between.

One thing I appreciate about Brock is his heavy use of the suplex. Felt like the suplex was becoming something of a lost art for a while there. After Taz retired, Benoit and Guerrero were gone, and Angle went to TNA, there weren't a lot of guys using the suplex as a signature move. Although, saying "suplex city bitch" more than once a match is going to make it grow old.
 
Of course Lesnar can wrestle. His moveset is somewhat limited since he beat Cena at Summerslam, but that doesn't mean he can't go. Since his return, we've seen him dropped on his head/back, sold punches and finishing moves, and put on a live show for the live audience. That's what wrestling is. Lesnar not using dumb 'wrestling' moves like hiptosses and arm drags doesn't take away from his ability. It just lends more to his credibility. If he couldn't wrestle, how the hell did he just manage to put on a 5 star match with a 55 hear old man?
 
Aquaman6686 said:
Brock Lesnar used to be able to wrestle. Now he chooses not to, because he's not paid to. Lesnar will not do one thing without being paid. I wouldn't be at all surprised if he has a suplex bonus in his contract where he gets an additional $20,000 for every suplex he does in a match, but they deduct $5,000 for every move he does that's not a suplex. The Lesnar marks in the crowd who just want to see him do nothing but suplexes and an eventual F5 are making his matches even more boring, because he has even less of a reason to do anything interesting.
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You mean besides the dozens of other moves that he does in the ring? He probably has a stronger moveset than Daniel Bryan or Neville does at this point. He just emphasized the suplexes.
 
You must be a more recent fan of WWE, and must have only see Lesnar in his "Conquerer" "Suplex City" phase, as during his original run in WWE he used a far wider moveset than he currently does.

He'd be utilising backbreakers, triple-powerbombs, slams, shoulder thrusts in the corner, double leg takedowns, his Brock Lock submission hold and you must have seen his botched Shooting Star Press against Kurt Angle and WrestleMania (he landed the move regularly in OVW).

Plus, the guy is an accomplished successful amateur wrestler winning NCAA titles...you don't do that without knowing how to wrestle!!

It's just the current "destroyer" gimmick they've given, where he just dominates opponent after opponent that makes it look like he's got a limited move set. He doesn't, he just chooses (or is told) not to use it. Personally, I'd like to see a more varied Lesnar match rather than just suplex-suplex-suplex,F5...but I understand the gimmick.

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Smark Madden said:
Can Brock really wrestle? You bet. He has had a successful amateur wrestling career of 106 wins and 5 losses. What's the ratio then? 21:1?
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Holy shit dude, I thought you were being clever with his record. That really is his amateur record (I looked it up because I wanted to see what his 'real record' was). So, you really can argue that his average could be 21 wins per 1 loss. 21-1? 21-1! Get it?!?!?!
 
Aquaman6686 said:
Brock Lesnar used to be able to wrestle. Now he chooses not to, because he's not paid to.
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Agreed. The reason he has a contract unlike every other pro wrestling deal we've seen is because the creative plan is for him to be different than everyone else. To put it mildly, not every wrestler is capable of doing what Brock does......which is to be an overpowering monster, a freak of nature. They've given the role to him because he's capable of playing it better than anyone else could, imo. He doesn't do what other performers do because that's what the company wants of him.

Can he wrestle? Yes, he can. He did it in college and in his first run through WWE a decade ago. But his contract specifies he do it in the manner he does......and whether you like him or not, he does a superb job of it.
 
The short answer to this question is yes, of course he can, as has already been mentioned just take a look at his original WWE run and his NCAA record. However these days he just resorts to umpteen suplexes and the F-5 with the occasional Kimura Lock. Somebody mentioned that Brock is not here to put on a show but this is World Wrestling ENTERTAINMENT so of course he should be putting on a show surely imstead of boring me to sleep everytime he 'wrestles'? To reply to the people who have said "it's part of his character" would you all be saying that if Lesnar did'nt come back and it was Cena's gimmick to do countless suplexes and then his finisher? I think not, after all there are always people with the '5 moves of doom' accusation, similar with Reigns with the critics of him claiming he just has the Superman punch and the spear. It's 1 rule for Lesnar and another for everyone else it seems. Also Brock's recklessness is overlooked a lot with the "part of his character" excuse. Both UT and Bo were dropped on their neck multiple times from Lesnar's suplexes. At the end of the day, yes, Brock can wrestle, but he needs to remember that, character or not. This is pro WRESTLING not MMA.
 
You need to watch matches from his first run in WWE from 2002-04, man. He put on some incredible matches and worked a different, more technical style than he does now. On top of that, he didn't win two NCAA championships by German suplexing people. The guy knows exactly what he's doing.
 
This is the most ridiculous question ever posted on this forum.

Hell YES Brock can wrestle.

Wrestling is not just about how many moves you got. (And Brock has got a vicious-looking moveset) Its about ring psychology, working a crowd, selling, believability, athletic ability, entertainment value, marquee value ---

--Brock has it all.

The TOTAL PACKAGE.

Future Hall of Famer, no doubt about it.

Your witnessing one of the greatest of all time right now.

Much like how everyone still talks about Babe Ruth 80 years after he retired, thats how they'll be talkin about how great Brock Lesnar was in the future.

No exaggeration at all.

A once in a lifetime athlete
 
No. I really feel that he can't. I get that he's the "real fighter," a fairly big mainstream attraction and a collegiate champ but none of that means he's a good professional wrestler. He doesn't even have a "five moves of doom!" He's all "punch punch, suplex city, giggle, F5 repeat." (That's only 5 if you count the giggle and the repeat.) he has less then zero mic ability and no actual charisma to speak of. His ring psychology has one (boring) setting of "Brock smash!" He really does seem to be dangerous in the ring too and I feel that stems basically from the fact that he really doesn't care that much.
 
The idea that anyone would even give thought to the idea that Brock cant wrestle is truly out of touch with what is pro wrestling. More importantly, they have no clue of Brock's history. Yes, Brock Lesnar can wrestle. Hulk Hogan could too, but people paid to see the bi boot and legdrop and it made him a ton of money and WWE what it is today.
 
After Summerslam I have new respect for Brock Lesnar. I for one, hated Lesnars one on one matches where his opponents had zero chance at all ( Seth Rollins ) ,( John Cena ) it's just not good for WWE viewership . Save that shit for a RAW or Smackdown main event match, not a PPV match. I understand the UFC tongue in cheek story behind it , Brock Lesnar is a legit ass kicking machine....but we watch wrestling for a back and forth wrestling match/fight that has a little drama to it. We didnt need a one way main event dominant winner ala UFC. Fuck that noise.

Undertaker vs Brock Lesnar ( I wasn't expecting a good match at all ) was a good WWE wrestling match. Brock Lesnar took a beating and got busted open again while staying in Character, Undertaker took a beating while staying in character, it was fun to watch. And the ending made sense considering Taker is supposedly a heel now, I guess. I also loved Heymens reaction after the match, I laughed.

I wasn't expecting a match as good ( despite the dumb ending with Jon Stewart ) as John Cena vs Seth Rollins ( Seth with his best attire and his best one on one match yet ) but these guys are getting old....especially Undertaker, he can't have much more left in the tank.

But Brock Lesnar can be hurt....and it's way better for wrestling fans when he's not completely invincible for his WWE Wrestling match.
 
Thanks for the feedback guys, I did know about the NCAA championships. I forgot about how he wrestled back in the day 02-04 when I posted this question. Maybe I should have asked a different question like, Is Brock boring in the ring with his limited amount of moves ?
 
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