Bryan vs Ziggler

[steve115657]

Dolph tweeted "..if you really wanted to steal the show #wrestlemania I'm right here and way angrier"
With two guys who appear to have nothing to do after the rumble could these two be booked for a matcH? Not sure what storyline to run with, maybe a #1 contender match? Don't think the crowd would accept a heel turn from either of them but a wrestlemania match between them 2 would be a great one to open the show, I'd give them an iron man match

 

[The Brain]

First of all, no way in hell would they get an Iron Man Match. It's hard enough to squeeze everyone into an event that already gets an extra hour than the usual PPV. Nobody is getting a 60 minute match, especially these two.

As for the story it could be something simple and honest. Ziggler challenges Bryan because neither has anything going on. They are overlooked and underestimated by the Authority so they decide to go against each other and steal the show. The Authority allows the match because it keeps both guys out of their hair and Bryan and Ziggler would be determined to make themselves the guys everyone is talking about at the end of the night.

 

[Really?]

There is a huge problem with that match. Just for a second, your idea of them jerking the curtain in an iron man match is up there with the dumbest ideas, well, ever. If that match happens, it open the second hour, and handing a first match 60 mins and an iron man stip is fundamentally stupid. It'd be a great match, but makes no sense. As for the two facing off at all, there is no gain. If Bryan loses, the crowd turns on Ziggler. Seriously, Bryan could walk out an punt a child riding a kitten and fans would cheer it. If he loses at Mania this year, there'd be no turning back. If Bryan beats Ziggler, that kills Dolph. There is no doubt it's a great match, but there is nothing to gain. Personally, they should do Cena vs Rusev at FL, and have Cena lay down for Ziggler at Mania to start hour three. It would make Dolph. Bryan should beat Barrett for the IC title and elevate it the same way RVD did the TV title in ECW.

 

[Jack-Hammer]

Bryan vs. Ziggler at WrestleMania in an Iron Man match would be interesting, but it ain't gonna happen. Like The Brain pointed out, there's practically nobody in WWE right now who'll be getting a 60 minute match. There still quite rare and they almost always only drag them out for WWE Championship matches. And, given the state of fans towards Reigns vs. Lesnar, I'm of the opinion that very, very few wanna see them try to extend their match to a full hour. Given their relatively limited capabilities, if they can pull off a decent 15 minute match, WWE'll have to count their blessings.

As for the storyline, keep it simple. They're both heralded as arguably the two best in-ring guys in WWE, both of them have been overlooked from day 1, both of them have had to scratch and claw for everything they've accomplished in WWE, so this is an opportunity for them to go out and tear the roof off the place.

 

[Y 2 Jake]

I still, and probably never will, see Ziggler as anybody who can do more than just make up numbers in a WrestleMania match. I don't get his popularity and other than overselling I fail to see what he brings to the table. I'd be outraged if he got a one-on-one match against anybody at Mania this year.

 

[Jack-Hammer]

According to the Wrestling Observer Newsletter, WWE has actually changed their mind on Bryan vs. Sheamus and that it will be Bryan vs. Ziggler this year. The report alleges that the Twitter interactions between the two aren't just chatter, but that it's ultimately planting the seeds for a bout between them for the big event.

So, IF this is legit and it'll be Bryan vs. Ziggler, it'll be more warmly received than the purported Bryan vs. Sheamus match.

 

[Stan Hansen]

I would much rather see Bryan vs Ziggler than Bryan vs Sheamus. No Iron Man match, that simply won't happen. At least not at Mania. At a lesser PPV I could see that or a 2 out of 3 falls match but an hour long match at Mania is a waste and doesn't fit the show.

I'd rather see a heel Sheamus vs Ryback or something along those lines.

 

[L@RISANO]

According to the Wrestling Observer Newsletter, WWE has actually changed their mind on Bryan vs. Sheamus and that it will be Bryan vs. Ziggler this year. The report alleges that the Twitter interactions between the two aren't just chatter, but that it's ultimately planting the seeds for a bout between them for the big event.

So, IF this is legit and it'll be Bryan vs. Ziggler, it'll be more warmly received than the purported Bryan vs. Sheamus match.

I'm wondering what kind of storyline is in store for such a match... will it be a Face-Heel match or will both guys have a 'respectful rivalry' sort of feud?
Nevertheless, it might be an interesting feud to look forward to.

 

[Sexcellence of Sexecution]

Okay well doing an Iron Man is obviously dumb and unnecessary but I wouldn't be against Bryan vs. Ziggler. If Ziggler keeps pushing it on social media to the point where fans demand it, then I think you've got a money angle. I agree that neither should turn heel, and neither has to for it to work. Position them as allies against the Authority. They have a mutual respect and want a match against each other at WrestleMania, but Triple H denies it. You could maybe even have them as a team at Fast Lane against two Authority guys, with the stipulation being that if they lose, they will be held off the Mania card or something.

 

[rbv13]

Just read the report where this match might actually happen. It would be a nice high profile match for both of them. I've seen where some individuals question where fan support may fall but I don't see it as a major issue. Brock vs. Reigns and Cena vs. Rusev (if it happens) will split the fans.

I posed a question on the main page that I'd like to share here. Would the addition of the IC Title to this match be a boost, especially for the strap itself? I know BNB has a solid following but his return and title run have been very underwhelming. The title would greatly benefit from Bryan and Ziggler.

There could be a possibility of the post WM Titles being represented by Reigns (World), Cena (US) and Bryan (IC).

 

[L@RISANO]

Just read the report where this match might actually happen. It would be a nice high profile match for both of them. I've seen where some individuals question where fan support may fall but I don't see it as a major issue. Brock vs. Reigns and Cena vs. Rusev (if it happens) will split the fans.

I posed a question on the main page that I'd like to share here. Would the addition of the IC Title to this match be a boost, especially for the strap itself? I know BNB has a solid following but his return and title run have been very underwhelming. The title would greatly benefit from Bryan and Ziggler.

There could be a possibility of the post WM Titles being represented by Reigns (World), Cena (US) and Bryan (IC).

Any chance of that happening would be something I would endorse, as given the status of the latter 2 on the roster... both those titles and the MidCard scene as a whole would be elevated big time and gain more focus post-Mania 31. That would mean more quality programming to look forward to and that can only be of benefit to us fans.


Agreed about BNB's reigns being underwhelming. Unfortunately, the guys has been jobbing since becoming the IC Champion, but I think he is in the position where after his injury, the WWE just put the belt back on him to keep him remotely relevant, but are perhaps a bit skeptical about pushing him in a storyline due to his injury record and are going to give it time before making him a focus.

Given it is Mania time, the MidCard belts are usually ignored by the WWE, and that could unfortunately be the case again this year... but I'd love if Ziggler vs Bryan became a match for the IC title, nevertheless, BNB can be built after Mania anyways...

 

[ans1928]

In the past couple of days, Daniel Bryan and Dolph Ziggler have exchanged a few tweets with regards to the two of them facing off at Wrestlemania. Furthermore, the plans for Sheamus vs. Bryan III have apparently been scrapped by the WWE according to The Wrestling Observer. Therefore, this is an absolute possibility as neither Bryan nor Ziggler have any sort of rivalry going on right now, especially since Bryan is scheduled to end his rivalry with Kane tomorrow night on Smackdown. What do you guys think? Found the article here on wrestlezone.com, here's the link below:

http://www.wrestlezone.com/news/547475-major-wrestlemania-31-update

Also mentioned in the article is the Andre The Giant Memorial Battle Royal at this year's Wrestlemania, and whether or not it will be called this moving forward. If it is in fact changed to something else, perhaps some kind of stipulation will be added to it to give it some purpose, as the winner won't be awarded the Andre The Giant trophy if it is no longer the ATGMBR.

 

[Elchicano15]

If this is true I'd be happy. I can honestly see this as the curtain jerker at the beginning. That will get your Mania crowd amped up. Sure Sheamus vs Bryan 3 might have been alright with Sheamus turning heel and their feud build up may tell an alright story but I'm more excited for DZ vs DB. If it's for the title or not it would still be pretty rad.

 

[shooter_mcgavin]

It's the best WWE can give Bryan at this point. I just hope this match goes 20 mins.

Also Iron Matches are overrated, yes they are long and can generate excitement but since we expect matches to be close at the end most Iron Man are very predictable.

 

[kumarjtk]

wwe now had hard time by making roman has their man. In recent interview bryan admit he failed to make wm and roman made that. I dont know how fans reacted.
If they boo to roman. Then my idea is make a tournament and put bryan in #1 contender match final against dolph at mania. It will off most of the fans.

 

[HurriKane]

Not gonna happen but it'd be kinda cool doing Bryan and Ziggler with the winner getting to the Reigns Vs Lesnar match. I think the Lesnar Vs Reigns match will be pretty good by itself, but I kinda feel putting Ziggler or Bryan in there would really bring the match up.

Hell you could add Ambrose and have Ambrose Vs Ziggler Vs Bryan the 3 underdogs of the WWE, and the winner getting into the Reigns vs Lesnar match.

Personally I would have Ambrose win it and have Rollins use his briefcase to get into the match, making it Ambrose Vs Rollins Vs Reigns Vs Lesnar. I know its overbooking, but I feel if done right it could be amazing. Maybe have Lesnar decimate the Shield and somehow during the Match The Shield do the powerbomb on Lesnar. Idk something different.

 

[Big Nick Dudley]

I think this match would cause the biggest collective explosion of heads the world has ever seen.

The fans would literally have no idea how to handle it. Should we boo the match because it's not going on last for the title? Should we cheer because we love these two more than anything on planet Earth? But if we cheer, WWE thinks they've won. If we boo, we shit all over the two guys we hold closest to our (strange, pathetic) hearts.

What a predicament....

 

[laodaron]

I think this match would cause the biggest collective explosion of heads the world has ever seen.

The fans would literally have no idea how to handle it. Should we boo the match because it's not going on last for the title? Should we cheer because we love these two more than anything on planet Earth? But if we cheer, WWE thinks they've won. If we boo, we shit all over the two guys we hold closest to our (strange, pathetic) hearts.

What a predicament....

This is the purpose, because the WWE is tired of "fans" ruining their live shows.

This will be an ok match. A guy that oversells and overbumps vs. a guy that's overrated in the ring. I'm more interested in Lensar v. Reigns and Sting v. HHH.

 

[The Warlord]

I hope I never see an iron man match again. The anticipation of the match suddenly ending isnt there which takes away the greatest thing about pro wrestling. You might as well fast forward to the last 5 min.

However, Ziggler vs Bryan is an interesting match for Mania. No gimmicks needed, just a pure one on one match to fill the middle of the card. Its a hell of alot better than the alternative: Rumored match between Bryan and Sheamus.

 

[LOS ANGELES LAKERS]

if WWE gives it the proper time than this could be one of the best matches in WrestleMania history but let's face it: Ziggler hasn't gotten anything like the push that he deserves and because of that it's a step down for Bryan after main eventing last year's WrestleMania, WWE is probably doing it because it'll make Ziggler and Bryan fans happy while subtly moving Bryan into an upper midcard slot, having said that it should be an awesome match.

 

[Aeon Mathix]

Why the fuck does everyone always want an Ironman match between 2 great wrestlers (well one, because Ziggler REALLY isn't as good as most say he is on here)? You can skip the entire 50 minutes or so and get to the exciting stuff rather than endless rest holds and meaningless falls since you know for a fact its either going to go down to a tie or the heel having the upperhand minutes before the match is over. It's a completely pointless match.

I am all for this however. There is no doubt Ziggler vs Bryan will put on a clinic, but Ziggler needs to stop believing his "show stealing" hype he surrounds himself with. The last time he has stolen a show was against ironically Daniel Bryan at Bragging Rights 2010. Since then and even before that I can't even remember a great Dolph Ziggler match.

There doesn't need to be a story to this just have both say they are fed up that they aren't being put in anything special at Wrestlemania and go out and wrestle their asses off for 20 minutes or so. Eddie vs Rey at Wrestlemania 21 and Chris Benoit vs Kurt Angle at Wrestlemania X7 were the same circumstances. It will work and sounds much more exciting than Sheamus vs Daniel Bryan again.

I've voiced my dislike for Ziggler plenty of times, but after the last couple of months especially Survivor Series it would be stupid to not put him in anything meaninful and there isn't much of a bigger match than against the guy who beat Triple H, Randy Orton and Batista in one night to become the WWE World Heavyweight Champion at last year's Wrestlemania.

 

[Uncle Sam]

FAQ about Daniel Bryan versus Dolph Ziggler:

Why?
I don't know.

No, really, why?
I don't know. They're both faces, aren't they?

Wouldn't it be to prove who's the best?
Huh?

That's what Dolph said on Twitter.
So Bryan would wrestle Sami Zayn to prove who's best?

No, he would wrestle Dolph.
Why?

Because Dolph's the best.
But he's not.

He is though.
Why?

Because of all those times he's stolen the show.
Oh, yeah, like...

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Bragging Rights 2010?
That time he had the best match on a C pay-per-view against Daniel Bryan?

Yeah.
Yeah, alright, that one match who nobody but you, me and Joey Styles remember justifies yelling about how he always steals the show five years after the fact.

Alright, smart guy, who would you have him face?
Unless we can get in a time machine and undo the Royal Rumboo 2015: Sheamus.

Ugh, Sheamus!? But he doesn't even flop to the floor after the first punch in every match! And this would be the third time they've had a match at WrestleMania.
First.

But--
They had a dark match for the United States Championship. Their "second" "match" was Bryan kissing AJ Lee and then getting kicked in the face.

They had that two-out-of-three falls match at Extreme Rules.
Which was absolutely fantastic and better than any match Dolph Ziggler has ever had. Yeah, more of that please.

It's a tired feud!
No, it's not. They've had a handful of matches. They have a history together. Bryan's been the one who's succeeded despite the wishes of management; Sheamus has been the one who's floundered despite the wishes of management. The pariah versus the golden boy.

But Dolph said he wanted to wrestle Bryan on Twitter.
Oh, that's a much better story. Dolph Ziggler massaging his own ego by pitching a nonsense match on social media, pretending he's on the same level - in kayfabe, in reality, in any sense - as Daniel Bryan.

Well, I'm just a strawman plucked from your imagination! This isn't even a real argument.
I'm still right though. Give me Sheamus or give me death.

 

[Kidpolean]

So we are going to ignore that Ziggler constantly has the best match on raw?

And ignore....

Ziggler vs Punk
Ziggler vs Edge
Ziggler vs Cena
Ziggler vs Harper
Ziggler vs Mysterio
Ziggler vs Del Rio
Ziggler vs Kidd vs Cesaro

The guy is flat out good. Seth Rollins has had like 2 great matches and he gets talked about like he is freakin HBK 2.0 and so does Ambrose but Ziggler gets no love?

 

[Jack-Hammer]

If the latest report from F4WOnline.com is accurate, it will indeed be Bryan vs. Ziggler for WrestleMania XXXI with the build expected to begin on tonight's episode of Raw. According to the report, Bryan was scheduled to face off against Sheamus but the match was changed because Bryan went to WWE officials and personally requested to have a bout with Ziggler.

If this match ultimately has some solid build behind it, isn't treated like some random mid-card match and their given a good amount of time from officials, then it could definitely steal the show. Both guys are over, especially Bryan, so this has potential.

 

[Y 2 Jake]

They can build it all they like. It'll still be a random mid-card match. Y'know what'd be an awesome mid-card match? Daniel Bryan vs. The Undertaker. Y'know who Ziggler should face in a random mid-card match? Bray Wyatt. There's no reason for Ziggler/Wyatt to exist, but that's besides the point.