bring back heel Doink!!!

Mighty NorCal

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What? everyone loves a thread about a heel...


A lot of posters on this site might not be old enough to remember how absolutely brilliant Doink the Clown was when he first debuted as a heel. He was a creepy, sadistic clown, who hated himself, and hated everyone else. Complete with creepy circus music with kids crying. no bullshit. TO this day his entrance at WM9 is pretty fucking eerie.

"NorCal thats silly, in this day and age"

You say? I dont think so. I mean, they just spent two years on The Boogeyman, who couldnt have been MORE shit. He wrestled at Wrestlemania even!! fucking TWICE!!! and if we are truly going back towards targeting a younger audience, well, why not scare the fuck out of them. The creepy clown has been an absolute cant miss villian for years and years, and thats pretty undisputable. I mean, lets be serious here. Clowns are creepy as fuck.

I really feel if they TRULY committed to the character, and did the things necessary to make him really creepy, you could have an upper mid carder, a jobber to the stars.
 
The great character of Doink is still one that I feel can get by. Like you said, Boogeyman was able to get over, and how realistic is that?

A psycho clown is a very relatable character. If you have played the Twisted Metal games, you will notice that the main character of the games is a clown. And is is very scary of a character.

There has to be a degree of heels in the business, and Doink fills one of those degrees. You will have the characters who are antagonists. You will have the characters who go against the social norms. You will have those who try to put over that they are better than you, and then you will have those heels who are sick. Doink can be one of these characters. Kane was one. Randy Orton is almost one of these characters. And they can get over, and will if brought back, with some good writing and great character work.
 
Heel Doink was very dark and cool. His music was the best though. But seriously, I know where you're getting at. Trying to be the official 'Stirrer of Shit'. LOLZ.

Heel Doink was a very underrated character. He did scare kids, he was different than the average character during that time and he still played jokes, only he'd play them on the fans and the faces instead of the heels. The Boogeyman sucked out loud. His worms and toothless aggression made me mad to my core to see him on TV. I mean, did he even have a match? A rivarly? Fuck.

You're a funny guy, NorCal. FUNNY GUY!
 
The great character of Doink is still one that I feel can get by. Like you said, Boogeyman was able to get over, and how realistic is that?

A psycho clown is a very relatable character. If you have played the Twisted Metal games, you will notice that the main character of the games is a clown. And is is very scary of a character.

There has to be a degree of heels in the business, and Doink fills one of those degrees. You will have the characters who are antagonists. You will have the characters who go against the social norms. You will have those who try to put over that they are better than you, and then you will have those heels who are sick. Doink can be one of these characters. Kane was one. Randy Orton is almost one of these characters. And they can get over, and will if brought back, with some good writing and great character work.

Really though TM there is boundless stuff to support this. I mean, not to site anything terrible here, but the character is belivable becuase er, someone actually fucking DID this. There WAS a real life villian that was a creepy clown. So to say its too far out of reality would eb stupid.

its also stupid becuase MANY people just have a natural phobia of clowns in general. and im not sure what else you would need in order to get a "hero" face over than having him come running down to the ring to save someone else from a sicko clown.

Maybe have him be a huge guy, with...get ready for it...A MOUTHPEICE MANAGER!!! A little guy with a top hat thingy, like a carny or some shit. Or he could just be a huge creepy dude by himself. either way.
 
Heel Doink was very dark and cool. His music was the best though. But seriously, I know where you're getting at. Trying to be the official 'Stirrer of Shit'. LOLZ.

Heel Doink was a very underrated character. He did scare kids, he was different than the average character during that time and he still played jokes, only he'd play them on the fans and the faces instead of the heels. The Boogeyman sucked out loud. His worms and toothless aggression made me mad to my core to see him on TV. I mean, did he even have a match? A rivarly? Fuck.

You're a funny guy, NorCal. FUNNY GUY!

Im actually not taking the piss, im being totally serious with this. Heel Doink was honestly one of the most brilliant characters ive ever seen. I truly feel it could work, if he stuck closer to creepy, almost subtle shit, dark things, more than over the top stuff, like they had Boogey do.
 
You have a man that isn't a clown by profession, but by choice. His past is so scarred by the horrors he has went through that his psyche has reached the point where it no longer can bear to let his face be seen. Due to this, he hides behind facepaint and the guise of someone that would be friendly. However, he's really a deadly man that few could match in combat.

That wasn't about Doink. It was about the Joker.

Hell yes this could work today. It's a gimmick that is amazingly complex while at the same time being amazingly simple. Bobby Heenan put him over as strong as possible by saying how he was an accomplished wrestler and not a clown. Doink was a man taht was unable to function in society so he adopted the role of a clown. How brilliant is that? If the Joker can win an Oscar, Doink can make a return to the WWE.
 
You have a man that isn't a clown by profession, but by choice. His past is so scarred by the horrors he has went through that his psyche has reached the point where it no longer can bear to let his face be seen. Due to this, he hides behind facepaint and the guise of someone that would be friendly. However, he's really a deadly man that few could match in combat.

That wasn't about Doink. It was about the Joker.

Hell yes this could work today. It's a gimmick that is amazingly complex while at the same time being amazingly simple. Bobby Heenan put him over as strong as possible by saying how he was an accomplished wrestler and not a clown. Doink was a man taht was unable to function in society so he adopted the role of a clown. How brilliant is that? If the Joker can win an Oscar, Doink can make a return to the WWE.

This makes me think that KB should apply for a writing job with the WWE. This character would be over so fast, it wouldn't be funny. I mean, the guy would have to sell out to the character. No half assing like they've had from others in the past. Be that character day in and day out. I can see this working and actually going over really well. If he won a title, he'd still not be satisfied. He'd only be satisfied if people felt the pain he suffered. His heel status would be cemented by throwing a substance at an unsuspecting face and causing some scars and stuff. Man o' man. You got the creative juices flowing.


Im actually not taking the piss, im being totally serious with this. Heel Doink was honestly one of the most brilliant characters ive ever seen. I truly feel it could work, if he stuck closer to creepy, almost subtle shit, dark things, more than over the top stuff, like they had Boogey do.

In that case, then that's a pretty solid argument. I mean, KB's explanation on how the Joker's character worked would be PERFECT in the WWE. I mean, it's not a character, it's a man who's insecure about himself enough to hide behind face paint and not face reality. His music sold him though. I mean, I was about 11 or 12 when he debuted and I was a little tenuous of the guy. That look he had when he came to the ring. The jokes he played on the kids and fans. His whole demeanor changed when he turned heel. I WANNA FIND DOINK'S HEEL TURN AND POST IT!
 
Really though TM there is boundless stuff to support this. I mean, not to site anything terrible here, but the character is belivable becuase er, someone actually fucking DID this. There WAS a real life villian that was a creepy clown. So to say its too far out of reality would eb stupid.

its also stupid becuase MANY people just have a natural phobia of clowns in general. and im not sure what else you would need in order to get a "hero" face over than having him come running down to the ring to save someone else from a sicko clown.

Maybe have him be a huge guy, with...get ready for it...A MOUTHPEICE MANAGER!!! A little guy with a top hat thingy, like a carny or some shit. Or he could just be a huge creepy dude by himself. either way.

Exactly, and we all know how easy it is to pull off the gimmick in real life, or so we believe. that is why Doink is such a better character then The Boogeyman. A man dressed in clown makeup is believable, a man who has no care about his welfare or the welfare of others helps the fans to understand what he is capable of doing.
 
This makes me think that KB should apply for a writing job with the WWE. This character would be over so fast, it wouldn't be funny. I mean, the guy would have to sell out to the character. No half assing like they've had from others in the past. Be that character day in and day out. I can see this working and actually going over really well. If he won a title, he'd still not be satisfied. He'd only be satisfied if people felt the pain he suffered. His heel status would be cemented by throwing a substance at an unsuspecting face and causing some scars and stuff. Man o' man. You got the creative juices flowing.

The ONLY issue I have with a guy being more centered towards a joker-like character is that its far too cool. There is roughly ZERO chance that the guy doesnt get over with at least the older male crowd. Especially if you have him doing all manner of "lack of regard for safety" offense. It would be impossible to have a joker like character not getting face pops.

at the same time, would we RATHER have a tweener, Joker like character, or the creepy as can be heel character?? hmmm
 
That is a good point. The Joker. Became extremely important after the Batman movie that if the character would be created by the WWE again, I feel they would shift it towards The Joker character. I think for that reason, instead of helping the character, it would hurt the character. Maybe TNA would think about it, it would fit better over there.
 
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The best example of how good it would work is how Matt Borne worked in ECW. This character would be great today. Him being the jokester and the clown, yet he could swing sticks and kick your ass, too. I swear to God this would work. Just watching this shows me that Matt Borne was very underrated as a wrestler and as Doink the Clown.
 
My god it's been ages since the WWF shattered my fragile psyche as a child with that eerie little clown. When I was a kid, I was a big time mark for Crush (dont really know why looking back on it but hey.) And that whole sequence over the course of several weeks where crush confronted Doink after he fell for the ol' squirt flower trick, thus causing the clown some sort of arm injury where he was rendered to a cast. Then the sweet apology from the clown a couple weeks later only to see the clown go evil and knock him out with a fake arm, that was something (not really special but something).


Doink was a far better character for steve Kern than any one that was thought up for him previously (need I mention Skinner? cringe).
Even when the clown turned face and had a survivor series midget match with the king, I was still highly amused. (Doink, Dink, WInk and pink vs. Jerry, Sleazy,cheesey and queazy. Awful but classic)
The Boogeyman was a ridiculous character, but you're right is an evil clown really so far fetched compared to that? So why not send in the clown once again? Hell they torment us with a Vladamir Kozlov match every week now on ECW, it can't be any worse an idea than that.


Hey....what if we sick the clown on Kozlov? Now that i would watch. lol
 
I dont think he should play any jokes or tricks per se, unless they were ridiculously creepy ones. Also, have someone tenatively inerveiw him backstage, were he cuts a very quiet, far away look in the eyes promo were he just simply states he just does what he does for no logical reason really, a lot like Mike Knox that one night.


Also, like fuck if I know who could possibly play this character.
 
Good question, a few come to mind off hand.
Just for fun, let's explore the notion.


al snow could do it, he was already so incredibly clown like in his persona. It'd be a natural fit.


Jericho has already played Doink, he would be great at it. But Jericho is far too golden, for him to be clowned in such a way would be an insult to the remarkable work he has put into his character. Especially since turning heel again.


Christopher Daniels
He's shown he can take being put under a mask (curry man) and still make something of his character. He has a natural crazy look in his eyes, while still seeming somewhat animated, why not? Beats what they do with him in TUNA..ooops...I mean..TNA. lol


Gregory helms
Has enough personality to him to make it work, and people arent really sold on him outside of a mask anyhow, could work.


Super Crazy
I suggest this for two reason 1) I miss him, he is one of the most underappreciated preformers in the buisness and 2) Dare you to tell me a spanish speaking crazed clown wouldn't be amusing as hell. Just give him subtitles and we'll be set.


Brian Kendrick
While I enjoy his pillmanesque character, they dont explore nearly enough on it and something tells me he could own a character like this.


There, if it's only you and I that care norcal, so be it. But that should amuse you as it did me at least.
 
Is no one remembering that WWE tried to do this in Smackdown with Kizarny like 5 months ago and he lasted for what? 3 matches. I loved Evil Doink when he was fighting Crush just as much as the next guy, but an evil clown wouldn't stay evil for too long, especially now with Vince wanting to go PG. He'd be Dink-Doink and Bushwhacker Doink and double Doink in less than 4 months tops. Hey Norcal, do a thread on turning Hornswaggle into a mini-Golddust.
 
What? everyone loves a thread about a heel...


A lot of posters on this site might not be old enough to remember how absolutely brilliant Doink the Clown was when he first debuted as a heel. He was a creepy, sadistic clown, who hated himself, and hated everyone else. Complete with creepy circus music with kids crying. no bullshit. TO this day his entrance at WM9 is pretty fucking eerie.

I remember Doink, but the thing is I first came into Professional Wrestling, ironically enough by way of Mania IX. (9) I can't for the life of me recall his original theme music, however if this would be it..

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Yes, it truly is even to a 27 year old - eerie and creepy as shit, especially for a Clown. And on that note, I don't even hold a fear of Clowns.. it's just the music fits so well with that of a "bad" Clown, that it makes you instantly, alone and solely, fear him.

This Doink was amazing. This Doink is who could work, under any circumstances and in part I question if they tried on two different accounts to duplicate this character by way of the likes of The Boogeyman & Kizarny.

Boogey had such a great chance to be unbelievable as a dark, sinister heel.. but they failed on him. Kizarny was fucked from jump street with that weird language/talking he'd do. But Doink, the original - heel - Doink, worked and will always be capable of working.

"NorCal thats silly, in this day and age"

You say? I dont think so. I mean, they just spent two years on The Boogeyman, who couldnt have been MORE shit. He wrestled at Wrestlemania even!! fucking TWICE!!! and if we are truly going back towards targeting a younger audience, well, why not scare the fuck out of them. The creepy clown has been an absolute cant miss villian for years and years, and thats pretty undisputable. I mean, lets be serious here. Clowns are creepy as fuck.

I think the beginning of this part of your post speaks volumes. If you can push a guy like the Boogeyman on TWO Wrestlemania's (really? I recall one, not 2) but even so much as pushing him (and allowing him to win, mind you) on ONE.. is mind blowing.

With that being said, of course there is always hope a character like Doink can return and cause trouble. However, there is always a negative nelly to add to the mix and that big question mark is how the fans (most, who aren't old school'ers per-say) would remember him.

You see, you & I and a few others recall the heel, original Doink. Yet most who recall the character, know him for being light-hearted, funny and friendly.. with a midget side-kick, Dink. That Doink killed any hope the original character of Doink had at being pure evil.. because despite changing whomever played him before (beauty of costume and face paint) you still have the aura hanging over the character's head of being this Family friendly pussy with a midget.

I really feel if they TRULY committed to the character, and did the things necessary to make him really creepy, you could have an upper mid carder, a jobber to the stars.

This is the same "What If's" I brought up with my hopes that the 2nd return of the Boogeyman would be played out like the storyline in the video game they gave him.

(side-track) - In the video game, for Boogey, they gave him the ability to have mystical powers and mind control. He took control over Finlay & Santino, and feuded with the Undertaker. They made Boogey seem like this very dark, sinister bad ass that could literally hold a chance in hell against Taker.

Of course, real life Professional Wrestling isn't the same as video game Pro Wrestling. So your hopes and dreams of them committing to all of this, because it'd take A TON of work to make a heel Doink (not really a ton, but a ton to them) into being dark and evil again.. they'd likely pass in favor of just having the character be light-hearted, funny and stupid.

You have a man that isn't a clown by profession, but by choice. His past is so scarred by the horrors he has went through that his psyche has reached the point where it no longer can bear to let his face be seen. Due to this, he hides behind facepaint and the guise of someone that would be friendly. However, he's really a deadly man that few could match in combat.

That wasn't about Doink. It was about the Joker.

Hell yes this could work today. It's a gimmick that is amazingly complex while at the same time being amazingly simple. Bobby Heenan put him over as strong as possible by saying how he was an accomplished wrestler and not a clown. Doink was a man taht was unable to function in society so he adopted the role of a clown. How brilliant is that? If the Joker can win an Oscar, Doink can make a return to the WWE.

This entire post, I'd love to see Doink brought back as. It almost makes me wish they did this with the character in the beginning, because naturally I doubt Vince had ANY ambition on pushing "a Clown" as anything other than a side-show act.

All in all though, once again the fans of the Sport-Entertainment create some of the best storylines that'll likely never see the light of day by way of on-screen characters, unfortunately.
 
What? everyone loves a thread about a heel...
LOL.

A lot of posters on this site might not be old enough to remember how absolutely brilliant Doink the Clown was when he first debuted as a heel. He was a creepy, sadistic clown, who hated himself, and hated everyone else. Complete with creepy circus music with kids crying. no bullshit. TO this day his entrance at WM9 is pretty fucking eerie.

I watched WrestleMania 9 on tuesday, And after defeating Crush I thought EXCATLY the same thing, Everyone in the crowd hated him, Kid's really were crying, I even saw a woman cry when Doink took off his fake arm, And did over Crush with it.

And his entrance was perfect! He would start off playing to the crowd, Then all of a sudden the music would change, And so would his demeanor.

"NorCal thats silly, in this day and age"
It really isn't.

You say? I dont think so. I mean, they just spent two years on The Boogeyman, who couldnt have been MORE shit. He wrestled at Wrestlemania even!! fucking TWICE!!! and if we are truly going back towards targeting a younger audience, well, why not scare the fuck out of them. The creepy clown has been an absolute cant miss villian for years and years, and thats pretty undisputable. I mean, lets be serious here. Clowns are creepy as fuck.

It would be great incomparison to Boogeyman, But they would have to find the right person to play him, Because I bet alot of people would go into it half arsed, But with WWE going PG, For the younger fans, Surely bringing back Doink at this time would be a great move.

I really feel if they TRULY committed to the character, and did the things necessary to make him really creepy, you could have an upper mid carder, a jobber to the stars.

Easily, JBL got over because people boo'ed him, So why can't Doink? You can blatantly hear kids, And women scream when people like Cena, And Jeff Hardy hit the arena, So if Doink is shitting on them it would make sense that they would boo him out of the fucking arena.

Now some people may think disecting NorCal's post was a little un-needed, But this way I couldn't get my point across more if I wanted too.
 
I say no to Doink, he too far gone. He's behind enemy lines. He's...a comedy character.

But I do think that WWE should have another heel clown. Clowns are creepy. There's also nothing wrong with having cartoonish characters. It they're sinister enough, they'll work.

Pogo The Clown is shit, but I think it's a gimmick that could work.

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The reason heel doink was so good was because Matt Bourne who played him was sooooooooo good. Just watch WWE 24/7 Legends of Wrestling where Mick Foley talks about how good Heel Doink was. Matt Bourne basically had great ring psychology which made the character so good.
 
Doink is retired and lives across the street from me in a small ass town in Texas haha. He's a crazy old dude doing some indie shows every now and then.
 
im not actually on about just DOINK per se, just the character, a creepy heel clown character. obviously you couldnt bring back THE heel doink, Im just on about a eerie heel clown character.

and yea Will, THAT was the fuckin music. that shit was fucked up man. This would be damn near a cant miss character, in that SO many people just have a natural, very real fear of clowns. It would be imperitive that you have an incredible wrestler to pull it off though, it would have to be the entire way. but it could work huge.
 
They really should have made doink less dressed up and darkier look in character but the original still was creepy. Could you imagine the original doink character paired with goldust in his beginning of goldust run, and how he was dark and creepy. Them with mankind would have been a nice stable.
 
If Doink would have dressed a little darker it would have taken away from when he went from happy to sadistic, He was perfect in appearance.
 

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