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If the match did end up happening at SS that year, who do you think would have gotten the fan support?

My money would be on Hogan. Nobody ever stole his thunder when the lights were on - nobody.

That being said, you can't ignore the fact Bret was amazing at getting sympathy from the audience. Would they be cheering Hulk to beat him up?

Tough call either way, and it's a shame it didn't happen back then.
 
I would say both. The fans attitude was completely different to it is now!!! Both were very popular and if in face roles, Brets fans would have cheered for Bret and Hulks fans for Hulk. Anyone else would have simply enjoyed the match. There was no booing of faces back in these days!

Bret had huge support in England when he fought Bulldog in his own back yard. I think you under estimate his popularity at the time!!!
 
Yea I think they should've done it in hogans hometown and have Bret Come on top in huge upset but have hogan not tap like Austin . Setting up more rematches or have hogan retire
 
If the match did end up happening at SS that year, who do you think would have gotten the fan support?

My money would be on Hogan. Nobody ever stole his thunder when the lights were on - nobody.

That being said, you can't ignore the fact Bret was amazing at getting sympathy from the audience. Would they be cheering Hulk to beat him up?

Tough call either way, and it's a shame it didn't happen back then.

While Hogan was the clear cut guy with all fans in the 80's, that changed in the 90's in the WWF. His encounters with Warrior, Flair, Sid and Taker were all noteworthy for the way crowds were divided. With Warrior it was expected and warrented because each were true babyfaces who did not deviate from that during their fued, but with the other guys, they were heels who got some pop because of how stale Hogan had become at the time.

Now if you factor in the near year he took off after WM VIII and the way Hart got over with the fans by being anywhere and everywhere, I would have to believe that if they had had a match at some point in 93 (weather WrestleMania, King of the Ring or SummerSlam) Bret would have had a stronger backing from the fans in the crowd than Hogan.
 
Hogan would likely have insisted on some kind of run in to excuse his loss (much like the "camera bulb") at that time probably from Lex Luger (not going face and setting up a retirement feud for Hogan).

Crowdwise, Hart would have been the heel going in like he was against Piper, by not giving Hogan the "respect" and calling him out on his behaviour over the years. Over the course of the match though the fans would cheer for Bret again and when Luger interfered and KO's Hogan, Bret would refuse the pin initially, expecting the Hulk Up. It comes and then Hogan gets caught out with the missing legdrop into Sharpshooter...
 
I remember this era well, I became a fan in late 1991 when I was 9. Keep in mind, during this era Hogan was considered a huge babyface. It wasn't until 1996 when the NWO formed that it was finally proven that Hogan could be a heel. With that said, Hogan was going to be a fan favorite regardless of how few were tired of him back then. He still got massive pops it was nothing like how Cena divides an audience today.

Now onto Bret Hart, I was shocked at the time he won the WWE Title because he just didn't seem like a mainstay main eventer it just came out of nowhere. Yes, this was after I bought the awesome Summerslam 92 ppv and saw his match with Bulldog, but I thought he would simply rematch the Bulldog or later Shawn Michaels, who ended up taking the IC Title from Bulldog. After several legit title defenses and epic matches, I began seeing Hart as a main event talent. Then....came the WM suprise when Yokozuna actually won the title only to lose to an on the spot Hogan match.

Looking at how it played out, Yoko beat Hogan and Hart later beat Yoko, so I felt Hart beat the guy Hogan couldn't beat. Had Hogan VS Hart took place, either a face VS face would have happened like Bulldog VS Bret...or Hart is turning heel. Hogan wouldn't have jobbed to Hart as at the time Hart was considered small for a champion. Seeing how the match never took place just tells me Hogan wouldn't job.

Think about it...Hogan was leaving anyway. Putting Hart over would have accelerated his growth to the legend he ended up becoming. Say what you will about The Rock, HHH, and Cena, but at least they put over guys while they were still in their prime. Hogan VS Hart would have been great and it was robbed from us by that big yellow monster.
 
It would have been stupid to turn Hart heel after investing so much in him as a fan fav during the previous two years, especially if this was a "pass the torch" moment for Brett, establishing him as the true No. 1 guy, not just the prerequisite good guy champ keeping the belt warm for Hogan's return. Vince wanted Brett to have that credibility with the audience, something he lacked as long as Hogan was in the picture.

It is true that some of Hogan's appeal had gotten stale, but as someone who was watching wrestling for a decade before Brett Hart ever won the World Title I can tell you in WWE no one was more popular than Hogan, at his height Ultimate Warrior was close, but until Steve Austin, no one sold tickets and drew crowd reactions like Hogan. If the match took place as was rumored with both being faces I think Brett would have gotten a decent pop but Hogan would have been the crowd fav. Hart was never close to eliciting the kind of fervor from crowds that UW did at his peak, and he could only split the crowd 50/50.

I do think if Hogan would have put Hart over clean it would have been a huge rub for Hart, his lack of charisma though was always going to hold him back as guys like HBK & SCSA ascended up the ladder. Of course WWE didnt have a good undercard back then (93-95) and Hart wasnt the only main eventer that was hurt by lousy booking (as bad as Hart vs Isaac Yankem, evil dentist was, Mabel as a World Title Contender vs Kevin Nash was worse).

While Hogan may have been losing some steam, it was interest in wrestling in general that was on decline in early 90s. Outside of Memphis the territories and independents were dead, once Jim Crockett Jr divested from NWA/WCW they went down the proverbial toilet, and WWE got very formulamatic & dull, the audience went away slowly. Much of that audience paid cursory attention to WWE but were more interested in other feds, they quit watching as their promotions declined. A lot of people blame Hart for WWE's decline. If you look though the WWE audience was already in decline before he became the program centerpiece. I dont think he had much charisma, I was always way more entertained by contemporaries like HBK & Nash, but was a good solid hero character, kids loved him, and he could deliver a good match at any big show (basically John Cena today, Hart was better in the ring but Cena is way better on the mic). Now Hogan I dont remember getting too many mixed reactions during this time. I remember Hogan being way over vs Taker. Against Flair it was really an NWA thing, there was always going to be a significant portion of the audience that supported Flair over Hogan because they were NWA fans and saw him as a better entertainer. Still, although this was present somewhat in their WWE bouts my memory was that the WWE crowds were mostly for Hogan. I saw them wrestle twice in Pgh at WWE shows and Id say the crowds were 70-30 Hogan. Hulk didnt really hit the wall in terms of being stale until he went to WCW, although part of his problem then was that this audience was comprised mostly of fans who favored their guy (Flair) making it hard for him to generate the kind of positive crowd reactions he was used too even when their ratings were good, pretty much the opposite dynamic that defined their bouts in WWE were Hogan had the "hometown advantage". The only time Hogan really got booed in WWE was initially at The Royal Rumble when he interferred to cost Sid the match and the vacant title. That was lousy booking by WWE, thinking just by making Hogan mad you could turn someone heel with the audience but the whole script really made Hogan look like a jerk and made Sid look sympathetic instead (an every man for himself battle royal, promoted for the possibility of seeing allies go against one another, where Hogan had already gone against allies like Piper & Savage, Sid is left in the ring with an exhausted Flair, who has wrestled for an hr at this point and a fresh Hogan, so Sid dumps Hogan first to take his chance with Flair, and as Hogan looks on from ringside Sid tells him "every man for himself", which was true. Hogan's very un face like reaction was to argue with Sid, grab him, and distract him long enough for Flair to dump him out for the win. If WWE thought that would make the crowd turn on Sid they were wrong. They made Hogan look bad and the audience booed Hogan instead.)

Eventually they did enough to make Sid look bad and crowds cheered Hogan. Their WrestleMania Match didnt generate as much heat as Flair-Savage or even Hart-Piper because the build up and hype was weak in comparison, not because Hogan wasnt popular anymore. During the match the audience is clearly behind Hogan.

In the end, would it have made sense for Hart to turn Heel, given the huge investment WWE had made in his Hitman persona, with heels like Yokozuna & HBK already around, absolutely not, at least not if their goal was for Hulk to put Hart over as a legite heir apparent as the No. 1 guy. In a face vs face match between them I believe Hogan would have been more popular initially but the audience would have accepted Hart if he had won. Everything else being the same, I dont think it would have changed much for either moving forward.
 
Hogan would likely have insisted on some kind of run in to excuse his loss (much like the "camera bulb") at that time probably from Lex Luger (not going face and setting up a retirement feud for Hogan).

Crowdwise, Hart would have been the heel going in like he was against Piper, by not giving Hogan the "respect" and calling him out on his behaviour over the years. Over the course of the match though the fans would cheer for Bret again and when Luger interfered and KO's Hogan, Bret would refuse the pin initially, expecting the Hulk Up. It comes and then Hogan gets caught out with the missing legdrop into Sharpshooter...

That's kind of how I would've seen it going,except to sell Bret's "ring skill"
I would've had Bret catching/blocking the leg as it comes down and reverse it into the sharpshooter.
I remember in a match against Angle...Hogan dropped the leg but Kurt quickly caught it and had the ankle lock on almost instantly.
 
It would have been face vs. face. Vince wanted Bret Hart to be the new top face of the company, and I can't see Vince turning Bret heel right after he won the belt for the first time and was over with the fans and had a massive following in Europe. If it went down, I could see the story line as Hogan offering Bret a match and a chance to win it from him since he was cheated and allowed Hogan the opportunity to win the belt from Yoko, when Bret should have had first dibs at a fair rematch.

Bret always thought Hogan didn't want to do it because Hogan felt he couldn't and shouldn't lose to a guy Bret's size, that it would kill his credibility. Plus Bret would have been the underdog and Hogan would have gotten booed. From Bret: "Hogan thought I would have taken the shine off him." Hogan's act was getting stale and WWF house show business died down when Hogan took the belt back. Vince told Bret he was winning with the Sharpshooter for the belt against Hogan at SummerSlam and they did photo shoots for the match. Vince was ready to move on but lone behold, the veteran star refused to job. This time, Vince allowed it and changed the match. Years later Bret wouldn't be so lucky.

If this match happened and ended the way as planned, it could have launched Bret and that entire era into a higher level, and today it would probably be looked at as more of a success and Bret would have been taken a lot more seriously and had more credibility.
 
I think it would have been face vs face. I remember that time well, and Bret was getting massive cheers. Nothing like Hogan's in his prime though. While it was true fans were tiring of Hogan's act, I don't think it was enough fans to really make a difference. Hogan's pops were massive. When that music hit the crowd went nuts. I do think though that Bret would get more fans on his side as the match went on and I think at the end they would be ready to see Bret beat Hogan. It really would have been a quite interesting match to watch. The crowd reaction alone would have made this match awesome.
 
Bret said it best in the Greatest Rivalry DVD. There was no winning for Hogan in that match. Bret had everything to gain from that match.

Imagine a couple of hard front turnbuckles, flashes of a comeback, then a cut-off. No denying fans would of gotten behind Bret. No matter what Hogan was going to come out badly in that match, look completely inferior.

Bret was the best in the company from the moment he went singles and it would of shown. Though the match was suppose to happen (they took pictures of the belt tug-o-war for WWF Magazine Summerslam Edition) Hogan nixed it, cause he knew, he was too damn smart to put himself in that situation.

Bret needed that feud and that win at the time. He constantly lost his key matches which is why the company was in the shape it was during that time. If he went over Warrior at WM9 with the Sharpshooter like originally planned, he would been elevated through the roof. The only win that could of done more for him was Hogan.

Vince tried giving him atleast one but Warrior got too hopped up on the roids during the scandal period and Hogan was too smart. The crowd would of been split but by the end of it....Bret would of been garnering 99% of the support, easily.
 
Hulk Hogan probably would still have been cheered more, because Bret didn't really get seen as a "mega star" at the time. He did get launched into that status later though, probably around Wrestlemania Ten. By then, he was internationally acclaimed and held worldwide as a true hero. Now, I thought he was the best wrestler, but still felt that Hogan would carry on the huge popularity, even if he lost the match against him had it occurred.
 
Hogan vs Bret should have happened at SummerSlam 93 and it should have ended with Bret going over clean. Hogan was on his way out and should have passed the torch. Bret was the next face of the company. This would have been a great face vs face match up. I think Hogan would have a lot of supporters but Bret would have more. This could have been epic.
 
Bret always thought Hogan didn't want to do it because Hogan felt he couldn't and shouldn't lose to a guy Bret's size, that it would kill his credibility. Plus Bret would have been the underdog and Hogan would have gotten booed. From Bret: "Hogan thought I would have taken the shine off him." Hogan's act was getting stale and WWF house show business died down when Hogan took the belt back. Vince told Bret he was winning with the Sharpshooter for the belt against Hogan at SummerSlam and they did photo shoots for the match. Vince was ready to move on but lone behold, the veteran star refused to job. This time, Vince allowed it and changed the match. Years later Bret wouldn't be so lucky.

This is what I was thinking also. I remember being a casual WWF viewer during the early 90's since my cousin (who lived in the same house as me) would watch wrestling.

Of course I would cheer for Hogan because, well he was a good guy and really knew how to work the crowd and shows. But right next to Hogan the few guys I would really notice or, at least, be a fan of are The Hart Foundation, Mr. Perfect, The Big Bossman, and The Ultimate Warrior.

So Bret Hart was really on my personal radar. I know people say he lacks mic skills or charisma but he was marketed and positioned really well by the WWE. Those shades, the cool and calm personality, and color scheme. I'd say a lot of that played well to his marketability

That said Bret Hart is a guy who can be easily accessible to casual and hardcore fans. Regardless if you prefer "wrestling" and "sports entertainment". He can work a great match, good marketing around him, and has that personality people can get behind with.

So yeah I believe the crowd would have cheered for Bret Hart over Hogan for one thing Bret Hart was a fresh face while Hogan, still popular, has already been too familiar. Plus let's take a look at Rocky as a sample who did fans cheer for more Rocky or Apollo Creed, they went for the guy who was seen as an underdog and relateable guy. Yes it's only a movie and not the best example but still a workable analogy.
 
I think Hogan would have had more fan support. In that time Bret Hart was still largely a mediocre main event star and I remember chants of "we want Hogan" used to stir up during times when Bret Hart would be on the receiving end of an unfair run in or if he was being attacked after a match. Mcmahon put the belt on Hogan in 1993 because he'd been missed by fans after he left due to a disagreement between himself and Mcmahon over the steroid scandal and Bret Hart wasn't pulling "Hogan level" numbers although he was quite successful.
Hogans body was already on the way out even then and he had had enough of wrestling. However Mcmahon knew he deserved one last Wrestlemania moment.

We all know how that wrestlemaina in 1993 ended and because of the way it ended if Bret Hart and Hulk Hogan were to wrestle against each other later that year Bret Hart would have to be the bad guy because Hogan came down to give Bret "support" and not let the fans see evil Yokozuna and Mr Fuji get away with the belt. Hogan would be standing on the moral ground in the eyes of the 1993 fans and Bret Hart would have been seen as jealous. Thats just how the match would be set up and Hogan would be the good guy and have more fan support against the jealous Canadian plotting to bring down Hulkamania.
The match probably would have ended with Hulk powering out of the sharpshooter, hulking up, doing the big boot and the leg drop, getting the 1,2,3 and then doing the ear thing and posing as Bret Hart walks to the back all pissed off.

Because of all that to have a match between the two at that time could've killed Bret Harts future prospects as a result of his good guy image being burned to a crisp.

Sorry to all the Bret Hart fans who think they would've gone with Hart somehow winning and it skyrocketing his popularity but back then that just wouldn't have happened, wrestling was different back then and only would have favored Hogan in every way.
 
The only way Hogan would have lost to Bret would be through an outside interference or controversial ending. It would have weakened Bret's legitimacy as heavyweight champion, unless they could have pulled off a gradual heel turn for him (claiming to be the best there is, the best there was and the best there ever will be, despite winning under questionable circumstances). Bret was too over with the fans, especially the young kids at that stage, though. He was more like a Cena-type of face at that point. It wouldn't have made sense from a business perspective to turn him heel.
 
Hogan was starting to get booed more often at that time and turning Bret heel made no sense because he was starting to get over. It would have been a face vs face match and would have had some bullshit ending because Hogan didn't want to job to Hart.

A lot of people at WrestleMania IX(this PPV was shit) were pissed when they had Hogan win the title from Yoko that night. Half the crowd was booing and were chanting bullshit. Hogan's appeal was wearing off at that point.
 
The only way Hogan would have lost to Bret would be through an outside interference or controversial ending. It would have weakened Bret's legitimacy as heavyweight champion, unless they could have pulled off a gradual heel turn for him (claiming to be the best there is, the best there was and the best there ever will be, despite winning under questionable circumstances). Bret was too over with the fans, especially the young kids at that stage, though. He was more like a Cena-type of face at that point. It wouldn't have made sense from a business perspective to turn him heel.

I think the most sensible finish would be for Bret Hart go over but winning with something like a rollup or small package. Where Hogan get's caught making a mistake and Bret Hart wins via a surprise roll up. That way Bret Hart goes over but Hogan does not look weak since it was partly his mistake that cost him the match.

One sample scenario is Hogan getting frustrated then he tries a flying closeline only to land on his knee and Bret Hart does a small package right after for the win.
 
Hogan was starting to get booed more often at that time and turning Bret heel made no sense because he was starting to get over. It would have been a face vs face match and would have had some bullshit ending because Hogan didn't want to job to Hart.

A lot of people at WrestleMania IX(this PPV was shit) were pissed when they had Hogan win the title from Yoko that night. Half the crowd was booing and were chanting bullshit. Hogan's appeal was wearing off at that point.

Hahahaha! nobody was chanting bullshit or booing don't be silly, the way wrestlemania ended that night was actually met with strong crowd approval. I've seen this ppv quite a few times and different versions of it so wherever you got that information from is a mystery to me.
Hogan had actually been away and his appeal was basically rejuvenated that very night.
 
WM9 was the first WM without Hogan in the main event... I could see Vince being concerned with how things would go without Hogan. It was new for Vince to continue without his top star. So I see why they booked Hogan to win at the end of WM9.

The match most definitely should have happened at KOTR or SummerSlam 1993. And if it did, it most certainly would have been a face vs face match. There was no way Bret was turning heel.

A lot of people say Bret didn't have charisma. That's simply untrue. Charisma and mic skills are two different things. Bret had a ton of charisma, he had a great look, and he always won the crowd over in the ring. What he lacked was confidence on the mic. He wasn't very good on the mic until 1997 rolled around where he was actually cutting awesome promos. But lots of big names sucked on the mic and still had a ton of charisma... see Kevin Nash, Goldberg, British Bulldog.

If the match happened, this is how I could see it going down:
1. Face vs. Face
2. Hogan would have more fan support at first, but Bret working the underdog/challenger role would eventually win over the crowd by the end of the match.
3. Hogan wouldn't tap. Bret would win with a roll-up as he did so often vs. guys like Piper, Diesel etc
4. Hogan would hand the belt to Bret and raise his hand like he did to Warrior at WrestleMania 6.

This would have put Bret over big time. Who knows how they would have booked the rest of the year though - because Yoko would have almost zero credibility left after this... and I wouldn't see Bret dropping the belt anytime soon... Maybe back to Yoko at the Royal Rumble... but Yoko wouldn't have been built up like the monster he was heading in to WM10.
 
WM9 was the first WM without Hogan in the main event... I could see Vince being concerned with how things would go without Hogan. It was new for Vince to continue without his top star. So I see why they booked Hogan to win at the end of WM9.

Your logic is flawed. What would it matter if Hogan was in the main event mix when it wasn't advertised. It wouldn't have mattered if Marlon Brando walked out with that belt that night on a surprise - it wouldn't have added more gate receipts or buys. As far as the public knew, Hulk was in a tag match that night.

Besides, Hogan didn't main event Wrestlemania 4 either.
 
ok... that's fair. Hogan wasn't billed for the main event - and didn't main event WM4.

I can just see McMahon going back to what he knows.. and what made him successful.

Regardless, that's how I see the match would have gone down if it happened, and if Hogan lost clean.

Guess they could have done Bret vs. Luger at WM10 then...
 
It would have been face vs face between Hogan and Bret with Bret coming out on top.

People need to remember that fans attitudes to Hogan had changed a lot by 1993 after the doping scandal and general tiredness setting in with his act. Sure he was still Hogan but I think Bret would have gotten more cheers at the time.

If Bret would have been allowed map the match out he would be able to garner the sympathy vote from the fans, no-one worked with bigger men better than Bret. He kept them strong and got the sympathy for himself off the fans.

But I doubt Hogan would have allowed that, because it basically would have meant him working heelish and a style he didn't like (note how Hogan preferred feuding with guys like Earthquake, Sid, Zeus and Andre, he liked playing the underdog role himself). That's the reason why the match was never going to happen either. There was no way in hell the result could have been anything other a clean Bret Hart victory over Hogan, not a tap out for sure but I don't see Hogan letting Hart pin him clean either.

If Vince had put Hogan over Bret I think it would have left Bret in no choice but to move to WCW asap, it would have been a vote of no-confidence in him and then Vince would have been left with Hogan feuding off big men for the millionth time. Bret carried the WWF through 1993, 94 and 95, Hogan wasn't up for that job at that stage of his WWF career.
 
It would have been a perfect time for a Vince McMahon screwjob special. Only this would have been Hogan getting screwed and Bret going over in a controversial fashion. Had this been 1997, and in an alternate universe, this could have been the way it went down.
 

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