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[JGlass]

What if Sheamus is just a pasty weirdo that exists only so HHH doesn't have the most boring offense in WWE?

The best explanation for the Sheamus Era I've seen.

You guys are haters. Sheamus is easily one of the best in-ring performers in the WWE, sharing an elite class with Cena, Punk, Bryan, and Orton. I hardly see what makes power move and wrecking your opponent boring.

I'd like to see Sheamus vs. Punk somewhere down the road, but not now. Maybe have Punk challenge Sheamus for the WHC after he drops the WWE title to Rock at the Rumble. Or just save it for next year.

 

[Big Nick Dudley]

You guys are haters. Sheamus is easily one of the best in-ring performers in the WWE, sharing an elite class with Cena, Punk, Bryan, and Orton. I hardly see what makes power move and wrecking your opponent boring.

Who said anything about moves? I don't mind power guys, never have. I think Sheamus is the most boring main event babyface I can remember. He hasn't been involved in a single interesting storyline since turning. He's really white and that's about it.

 

[JGlass]

Who said anything about moves? I don't mind power guys, never have. I think Sheamus is the most boring main event babyface I can remember. He hasn't been involved in a single interesting storyline since turning. He's really white and that's about it.

shattered said he has the most boring offense in the WWE, or at least more boring than Triple H (which is also silly, but that's besides the point).

I'll agree with you that he hasn't exactly been involved in any fantastic, or even compelling storylines, but he makes up for it in match quality.

 

[ABMorales787]

Personally, I blame the existence of the World title for whatever stagnancy exists on Sheamus. That thing is pretty much a corpse being babysat at this point and it seems it's a chore for creative to make that Champion mean as much as the WWE Champion. And the feud with Del Rio only makes it all the more glaring.

 

[D-Man]

Personally, I blame the existence of the World title for whatever stagnancy exists on Sheamus. That thing is pretty much a corpse being babysat at this point and it seems it's a chore for creative to make that Champion mean as much as the WWE Champion. And the feud with Del Rio only makes it all the more glaring.

This is just wrong in so many ways. While Sheamus is not the most exciting champion, blaming an entire title's existence is just plain ignorant. (Well, unless we're talking about TNA's Television Title.)

 

[Nate DaMac]

This is just wrong in so many ways. While Sheamus is not the most exciting champion, blaming an entire title's existence is just plain ignorant. (Well, unless we're talking about TNA's Television Title.)

I think you're missing the point. There hasn't really been a good World Title feud since the Christian/Orton one a while back, 2 seasoned vets who were going to make it work despite whatever lame story creative may give them to work with. Since then it's been a slew of young guys who don't seem to be getting any real direction from creative. It's like they can't be bothered with the World Title at all.

 

[Little Jerry Lawler]

HHH's offense wasnt exactly the most interesting. Be lucky he never dislocated a kneecap.

 

[ABMorales787]

I think you're missing the point. There hasn't really been a good World Title feud since the Christian/Orton one a while back, 2 seasoned vets who were going to make it work despite whatever lame story creative may give them to work with. Since then it's been a slew of young guys who don't seem to be getting any real direction from creative. It's like they can't be bothered with the World Title at all.

This. There has been ZERO effort this year to make anyone care about anything revolving the World title.

 

[shattered dreams]

You guys are haters. Sheamus is easily one of the best in-ring performers in the WWE, sharing an elite class with Cena, Punk, Bryan, and Orton. I hardly see what makes power move and wrecking your opponent boring.

If I was drinking anything I would have spit it out before I got through that second sentence. Also, Sheamus is wrecking people? I never saw that. Then again I admittedly haven't seen that much of him but that kind of is the point. It shouldn't require extensive viewing to "realize" someone is an it guy. I can't even remember anything he does on his offense except for a celtic cross thing that is the slowest power move in recent memory. Oh yeah I just remembered he does some sort of kick as well which is a perfect segue into my second important point, I am hard pressed to think of something Sheamus does better than Matt Morgan (a guy who hasn't been able to break through in WWE or TNA) other than look stupid. Anyone that thinks adults are ever going to rally behind a Beaker on steroids HHH workout buddy program are kidding themselves. At least HHH adds psychology to his matches and can speak.

 

[D-Man]

This. There has been ZERO effort this year to make anyone care about anything revolving the World title.

I disagree. I think we're underestimating Sheamus's popularity. Granted, in our smarky opinions, Sheamus is a dull failure. But the people love him so damn much and significant time has been put towards his feud with Del Rio. From the car hood incident to the Brogue Kick controversy, they've definitely put more than mediocre effort into making the feud worthwhile.

I understand that the WWE title is the main focus but completely discarding the World Heavyweight Championship and saying it hasn't been made to be important is just wrong.

 

[Uncle Sam]

One could argue, therefore, that people care about the world title - or its holder - despite no effort being made to that end. I do agree that Sheamus is very good (maybe not in the same elite class as Punk, Orton, Cena or Mysterio) but the writers haven't exactly been bringing their A game when it comes to him.

 

[JGlass]

If I was drinking anything I would have spit it out before I got through that second sentence. Also, Sheamus is wrecking people? I never saw that. Then again I admittedly haven't seen that much of him but that kind of is the point.

Well then you can't really comment on it, can you? If you don't watch the WWE programming regularly, you're not going to see him destroy people like Otunga, or even Del Rio at points in some of their matches.

It shouldn't require extensive viewing to "realize" someone is an it guy. I can't even remember anything he does on his offense except for a celtic cross thing that is the slowest power move in recent memory. Oh yeah I just remembered he does some sort of kick as well which is a perfect segue into my second important point, I am hard pressed to think of something Sheamus does better than Matt Morgan (a guy who hasn't been able to break through in WWE or TNA) other than look stupid. Anyone that thinks adults are ever going to rally behind a Beaker on steroids HHH workout buddy program are kidding themselves. At least HHH adds psychology to his matches and can speak.

Except the crowds have rallied behind him. He's likely the 5th or 6th most over guy on the WWE roster, an impressive feat considering A) WWE has at least a dozen wrestlers that are very popular with the fans at the moment and B) he's consistently in dull programs.

As for psychology... I think you're selling Sheamus short. Well short. It seems obvious to me that you haven't seen many, if any of his best matches as the guy has put on some absolute delights to watch. Watch some of his matches with Orton right before the heel turn, his work with Mark Henry, or his Extreme Rules match with Daniel Bryan. He's put on some highly entertaining matches with all of them.

 

[Lee]

Sheamus is hella over.

 

[braveh]

Dave Apter said when he talked to some insiders many said there is no such thing as a "bone chip". They believe it's all a work.

 

[klunderbunker]

Dave Apter said when he talked to some insiders many said there is no such thing as a "bone chip". They believe it's all a work.

http://philadelphia.phillies.mlb.co...tebook_id=36625092&vkey=notebook_phi&c_id=phi

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000...-lb-scott-has-bone-chips-cleaned-out-of-elbow

http://www.rotoworld.com/headlines/nba/181085/zaza-pachulia-dealing-with-bone-chip-in-foot

Dave Apter is wrong.

 

[shattered dreams]

Well then you can't really comment on it, can you? If you don't watch the WWE programming regularly, you're not going to see him destroy people like Otunga, or even Del Rio at points in some of their matches.

I have seen him wrestle and it was completely unmemorable every time. Getting over with the fans the company already has doesn't make you a Superstar. If WWE is making any mistake in how it develops talent then this is the big one. Sheamus is never going to be a superstar.

Except the crowds have rallied behind him. He's likely the 5th or 6th most over guy on the WWE roster, an impressive feat considering A) WWE has at least a dozen wrestlers that are very popular with the fans at the moment and B) he's consistently in dull programs.

So he has been in the championship scene for some time as a face and he is 5th or 6th most over, that is kind of my point. You really think his programs are boring for reasons that don't relate to his talent?

As for psychology... I think you're selling Sheamus short. Well short. It seems obvious to me that you haven't seen many, if any of his best matches as the guy has put on some absolute delights to watch. Watch some of his matches with Orton right before the heel turn, his work with Mark Henry, or his Extreme Rules match with Daniel Bryan. He's put on some highly entertaining matches with all of them.

I would rather watch a divas match than Sheamus-Henry.

 

[Lee]

Dave Apter said when he talked to some insiders many said there is no such thing as a "bone chip". They believe it's all a work.

http://www.reference.com/motif/health/bone-chip-fracture

 

[ABMorales787]

I disagree. I think we're underestimating Sheamus's popularity. Granted, in our smarky opinions, Sheamus is a dull failure. But the people love him so damn much and significant time has been put towards his feud with Del Rio. From the car hood incident to the Brogue Kick controversy, they've definitely put more than mediocre effort into making the feud worthwhile.

I understand that the WWE title is the main focus but completely discarding the World Heavyweight Championship and saying it hasn't been made to be important is just wrong.

I'm not saying he is a dull failure. He has a very good chuck of charisma. But that's basically the only thing he's going on these days. But calling the Del Rio/Sheamus feud anything other than lazy booking is pretty far off. These two have been at it since when? May? Yeah, May. How has this feud moved forward? Sneak attacks by Del Rio, yadda yadda. Now Sheamus stole a car. 3 and half months into the feud. Then they "ban" his Brogue Kick. Which got unbanned just before the match making the story pointless. It took us 4 months to reach a point where it was more than just challenges and sneak attacks on Del Rio's part. Try as they might, but all I sense out of these two is creative being told to push Del Rio and not really putting much effort to it. That doesn't make Sheamus a failure. Just held back. Same as Randy Orton. Floating around and doing much of nothing as of late as well.

 

[JGlass]

I have seen him wrestle and it was completely unmemorable every time. Getting over with the fans the company already has doesn't make you a Superstar. If WWE is making any mistake in how it develops talent then this is the big one. Sheamus is never going to be a superstar.

Except he already is. He reaches out to Irish fans and even the UK seems pretty into the guy. He'll never be a Cena level star, or even a Punk level star, but he's certainly in the same league as Bryan right now.

So he has been in the championship scene for some time as a face and he is 5th or 6th most over, that is kind of my point. You really think his programs are boring for reasons that don't relate to his talent?

Yes, because he has shown promise in certain segments and has been shown to play the angry face quite well. It's not his fault that they put him in three consecutive PPV matches with Alberto Del Rio. Even a star of Cena of Punk's caliber couldn't make that feud interesting.

I think it's a testament to Sheamus that he's still so over despite the fact he's being put in stale programs.

I would rather watch a divas match than Sheamus-Henry.

Well that's your loss then, Henry seems to have a penchant for bringing the best out of WWE's faces. The guy plays the monster heel better than anyone in wrestling has in years.

 

[JGlass]

As for the whole D-Man/Killjoy argument... I agree with D-Man. Shocker, I know (though D-Man might be surprised), but I think the "what have you done for me lately" mentality is clouding your judgement. Let's look at the World Heavyweight Title reigns since 2011.

1) Edge (12/19/10-4/15/11)- Edge defended against Kane, Ziggler, and Del Rio. The matches were good, but not great, but the programs were weak. This reign will definitely be remembered more for being Edge's last reign than it will for any of the matches or feuds.

2) Christian (5/1/11-5/3/11)- This was an extremely short reign, but very important as it marked Christian's first World Title in the WWE, and the marks were ECSTATIC.

3) Orton (5/3/11-7/17/11)- Great title reign that saw a phenomenal program with Christian. It had solid promos, good booking, and some of the best matches of the year. Besides Cena/Punk and Rock/Cena, this was the biggest feud of 2011.

4) Christian (7/17/11-8/14/11)- The Orton/Christian saga continued. Great stuff.

5) Orton (8/14/11-9/18/11)- Orton wins the title back and everyone is happy. But there is a new threat on the horizon, one that has been around for decades: Mark Henry. Orton is inducted to the hall of pain at Night of Champions 2011 when Henry does the unthinkable and pins Orton, winning his first World Championship.

6) Mark Henry (9/18/11-12/18/11)- Arguably the best reign in recent memory in terms of feuds and booking, and the match quality was high as well. He put on solid shows with Sheamus and Orton, and even dragged some good matches out of Big Show.

7) Daniel Bryan (12/18/11-4/1/12)- Another great title reign as we got to see Daniel Bryan turn heel and begin his infamous YES! campaign. He rose to prominence during this title reign and is now one of WWE's top players.

8) Sheamus (4/1/12-Current)- Sheamus beat Bryan in seconds to win the title, but would later put on a great match with him at Extreme Rules. He's had a lackluster feud with Del Rio since, but has put on good matches throughout.

So out of those 8 title reigns, 6 went over extremely well with the IWC (Both of Orton's, both of Christian's, Mark Henry's, and Daniel Bryan's). All of them went over well with the majority of the WWE Universe.

To say that the World Championship is overlooked or treated poorly is just silly. The World Championship has consistently provided great entertainment for the WWE fans.

 

[Big Nick Dudley]

shattered said he has the most boring offense in the WWE, or at least more boring than Triple H (which is also silly, but that's besides the point).

I don't know if it's the most boring offense in WWE, but I don't think it's anything to write home about. He's a hard hitter, and... well, that's it. Zero psychology and he can't tell a story. I can't recall a Sheamus match where a story was actually told. Random moves for 15 minutes bores me.

I'll agree with you that he hasn't exactly been involved in any fantastic, or even compelling storylines, but he makes up for it in match quality.

I can only watch the same match two, maybe three times before I stop caring. His matches seem more redundant than most, and in WWE, that's saying something.

To each his own, I suppose.

HHH's offense wasnt exactly the most interesting. Be lucky he never dislocated a kneecap.

He told stories, something wrestlers today seemingly know nothing about.

I disagree. I think we're underestimating Sheamus's popularity. Granted, in our smarky opinions, Sheamus is a dull failure. But the people love him so damn much

Not enough to cheer him after beating Daniel Bryan in 18 seconds at WrestleMania. I don't care who the heel is - that's something fans should be cheering for. They hated him that night (yes, I know WM crowds are notoriously smarky) and they gave him a ton of shit the next night. He isn't that over.

and significant time has been put towards his feud with Del Rio. From the car hood incident to the Brogue Kick controversy, they've definitely put more than mediocre effort into making the feud worthwhile.

And the story was still fucking awful. Beyond awful, actually. One of the most boring feuds I've seen.

I understand that the WWE title is the main focus but completely discarding the World Heavyweight Championship and saying it hasn't been made to be important is just wrong.

Exactly. It's more of Sheamus/Del Rio problem than it is a WHC problem.

 

[ABMorales787]

To say that the World Championship is overlooked or treated poorly is just silly. The World Championship has consistently provided great entertainment for the WWE fans.

Then. As of right now, the effort is very lousy. I can understand that it's provided great moments. I can't deny that. But 2012 is certainly not the best year for that belt. You know there's a pretty poor effort on creative's part if the Intercontinental title has a higher place on the card with a more developed feud at Wrestlemania while Sheamus and Bryan, two men who are also considered bonafide stars have to curtain jerk in 18 seconds. Nothing has been done with Sheamus or Daniel Bryan when he was champion to actually capitalize on their rising popularity. Daniel Bryan seemed to be better off after losing the title than when he had it. Better stories and better emphasis on his popularity. Sheamus just seems to be babysitting Alberto Del Rio during his reign.

 

[JGlass]

Then. As of right now, the effort is very lousy. I can understand that it's provided great moments. I can't deny that. But 2012 is certainly not the best year for that belt.

You say "then" like it was a decade ago or something. It was just one year ago that Mark Henry started his awesome title reign. That's what I meant when I said that the "what have you done for me lately" mentality is clouding your judgement. When you are putting on two shows a week, at least one PPV per month, and doing that every month or every year, you're bound to have periods where things are slow. That doesn't mean something is being shuffled to the side card or overlooked; it just means that they're in a slow period.

You know there's a pretty poor effort on creative's part if the Intercontinental title has a higher place on the card with a more developed feud at Wrestlemania while Sheamus and Bryan, two men who are also considered bonafide stars have to curtain jerk in 18 seconds.

They started the show with a huge shocker for the second most important title in the WWE and two of the most popular wrestlers. You yourself said that it got a huge reaction from the live crowd. Are you really questioning the validity of what they did?

Nothing has been done with Sheamus or Daniel Bryan when he was champion to actually capitalize on their rising popularity. Daniel Bryan seemed to be better off after losing the title than when he had it. Better stories and better emphasis on his popularity. Sheamus just seems to be babysitting Alberto Del Rio during his reign.

I disagree with you on Daniel Bryan, agree with you on Sheamus, but overall think that you're over-analyzing the situation and looking for something that doesn't really exist.

Daniel Bryan's reign absolutely capitalized on his popularity and that's why he's just as over without the belt as he was with the belt. I consider that a huge success. Individual wrestlers are more important than any belt, both to the fans and to the business, so mark that one as a success in the WWE's book.

As for Sheamus... you're right, the WWE has had trouble booking his championship reign. Whether that's because of laziness or because of the Orton situation or because there really isn't a huge pool of heel talent on Smackdown is unknown. I think it's safe to say that there are a multitude of factors keeping Sheamus's reign lackluster.

But overall the WWE has done a fine job with the World Heavyweight Champion for a long time. To start to question the quality of writing and feuds surrounding the belt after one title reign is just silly.

 

[shattered dreams]

How are they doing a fine job maintaining the prestige of a title that closed WM in 2008 and yet opened it in 2011 and then opened it in 2012 in a squash match?

 

[D-Man]

Bingo. JGlass hit it on the head.

All of your smarks are looking at the most recent months and saying that an entire legacy and title is going down the toilet. Come on, now... that's just bullshit.

You didn't like the Del Rio/Sheamus feud? That's fine. Personally, I enjoyed it. And judging by crowd reactions, they liked it too. But forgive me if four or five of you in this thread didn't do backflips over it. Clearly that doesn't make it a failure.