This is a sad troll attempt and all you have been doing is contradicting yourself.
Troll attempt huh? I started this thread idiot, and had nothing but a bunch of you try to talk shit to me like a bunch of internet tough guys. You talk to me like your going to magically kick my ass over the internet or something if I don't concede to your views. I get tired of this bullshit, all you do is call anything I say WRONG by default because I don't support MMA, and in fact think that Boxing is a superior discipline explaining how so, but no no no I'm not saying what you like to hear, so there couldn't be any truth to what I'm saying.. You fucking Nazi's. What do I get? The gass chamber if I continue to disagree you? Fuck you. I have been a student and practitioner of Boxing my entire life, I promise you I know more about it than you can shake a stick at, and I've also studied the martial arts of the world even trying my hand at one and being very proficient at it as well. I have experience that you can't speak against, and that you don't have period, so what do you know? Jack shit, any of you ever get off your computers? I practice and study throughout my week, and continue to learn more and more, what do you do? Read wikipedia and that makes you an expert? Or you've watched MMA from your couch and that makes you an expert? What the fuck do you know? The terminology Joe Rogan uses to describe what's going on in the ring? Fuck you. You keep acting like I just don't have a clue about anything I'm talking about, but then you can't understand anything about what I am talking about or how it works.
You just keep talking about Real Fighting like any of you have a clue what that is. I've been in so many street fights it's a fucking shame, people want to get tough and try to beat your ass, and you have to do something. In every incident I've ever been in, my boxing skills have trumped everything anyone has ever tried to throw at me, even the use of weapons. You have no fucking clue what your talking about and have no room to try and tell me shit about Real Fighting. I've seen it in real fighting on the streets. People who think they are going to try using some variant of mma get dealt with because the FIST ends it faster and more efficiently. I've fought guys my size that were more proficient in TKD than myself and kicked their asses Boxing. I've fought wrestlers who thought they were going to take me to the ground too, guess what, never happened once. Ya know what did? My fucking jab and right hook, ended it. It's not like I've never been on the ground either, just not against my will. One the ground I've never been submitted, never been mounted and beaten, nothing, and I've fought people who thought they were going to go all mma on me plenty of times, the outcome has always been the same, they fall, I win. Coincidence? I think not, especially since I make it happen. Don't ever ever try to discredit what I know, you couldn't even imagine what I've been through, and what I've learned.
You say that you like martial arts on their own but not the combined mess that is MMA and mention how Bruce Lee already did something like it in JKD. Then you say that all you should need are your hands and that kicks, knees, elbows, ground fighting are unnecessary and for *****es which is disrespecting every martial art and Bruce Lee since in a COMPLETE martial art, every aspect should be covered.
Yeah I like TKD, JKD, Muay Thai, Karate, etc.. On their own. Competing in any of them individually I think is very cool, I love watching ISKA and Muay Thai. They have rules to make for fair competition as well. Like in Karate with the point system, and Muay Thai with the same basic rules of Boxing only including kicks, elbows, and knees. They are also encouraged to stay on their feet if you didn't notice. I referenced JKD because if there is any true mixed martial art, THAT is it. What they call mma today, and what they put on television is nothing like that. I also referenced Bruce Lee because he was heavily influenced by Boxing. This fact is reflected in the physical training techniques he came to adopt into JKD which came from western boxing. He also adopted and modified a lot of the foot work techniques from boxing, as well as the punching, head movement, the proper way to use your body weight to get the most power from your body into your limbs(particularly the hands). Ever notice the way Bruce Lee punched from his stance? It's a perfect jab as taught from boxing but modified with some of the footwork from both boxing an fencing, he could see the relation between the two foot works and kind of melded them together to create what you saw him do. He found that traditional martial arts techniques were too rigid and formalistic to be practical in scenarios of chaotic street fighting. Bruce Lee also discovered how martial artists did not spend enough time on physical conditioning like boxing did. He saw in boxing how it is formless as he made JKD to me formless. How is boxing formless? Because it is a free flowing, you discipline yourself to only use your fists though. It's not like martial arts where you do this move to counter another, you just do it, you have to just know what to do and react to the motions of your opponent to land the best punch possible, and set up punches to come. To put it simply it's chess not checkers. The point of that was that the greatest martial artist off all time completely changed his ideals on martial arts from the study of Boxing, obviously then it must have had superior qualities than did the martial arts or else they wouldn't have been adopted into JKD. I did not disrespect Bruce Lee either, I held up his philosophy and genius, showing you the genius he saw in boxings practices and philosophy towards combat. The freedom you have in boxing to adapt to an opponent makes it more efficient than trying to use the formalistic and rigid movements that are unnatural to the bodies movement.
Then you say that all you should need are your hands
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Yes, all you need are your hands. What is so hard about that to comprehend. If you learn how to box everything else becomes unnecessary. Notice in JKD how the use of knees, elbows, and ground fighting are mostly avoided? That is because Bruce Lee believed that what you needed to do was eliminate all unnecessary movements and tactics, to be more fluid in your moments, kind of like in Boxing. He used kicks but that wasn't the stupid shit they attempt to do in UFC ok. Bruce Lee incorporating kicks in JKD is not that, he actually knew what he was doing and when and how to use them. That is nothing like what I was talking about as it was in reference to what you people call modern mma, and their lack luster attempt at incorporating kicks to try and make it like REAL martial arts.
and that kicks, knees, elbows, ground fighting are unnecessary and for *****es which is disrespecting every martial art and Bruce Lee since in a COMPLETE martial art, every aspect should be covered.
First of all, what you call it doesn't matter because you don't know shit. Since I have to explain everything down to the letter or else it's not sufficient enough, I will restate it for you in a way that will more effectively covey what it is I was saying in making that comment so you know I wasn't insulting Bruce Lee or other actual martial artists and don't have to cry about it. First of all the individual martial arts aren't apart of the equation, in a competitive full contact sport like Boxing and MMA if you can't get it done with your fists, and have to consistently rely on all that other unnecessary bullshit to get a win, that is pussy tactic, you need to stand like a man not a bitch and prove something besides that fact that you have no problem using cheap tactics like twisting someones ankle or arm or whatever to get out of the fight so you don't have to actually fight or prove anything, or how ineffective the flailing kicks are, and that the only way you can do anything to someone is to sit on their chest or something like that and primitively pound them in the face like a fucking ape. There's nothing tactical about that, or skilled. It doesn't take skill to act like a fucking animal. I know about all the ground based mounts and position shifts and all that, it's literally just crawling on your opponent. Crawling is what babies do, men stand.
I will give you some leeway on it and go ahead and say that sure, a few of these guys might have high rankings in certain martial arts, but while these guys may be trained in certain martial arts, that says nothing about how truly tough they are, how much punishment they can take, how much endurance they have, or how proficient in that discipline they are when they have to use it for real. All it means is that they doing anything to get around the most direct and effective way to deal with an opponent because they weren't trained to be able to do that. I also think that the standards in Boxing are much higher as it comes to who they will and will not train, that should be more obvious than anything else and be argument enough to show you that across the board boxers are better at boxing than mma fighters are at mma, and are more skilled overall giving them the edge in a head to head fight between each other. For fuck sake mma isn't even a real form of fighting, it's a jumble of moves from different martial arts that lacks practicality, flexibility, speed, or efficiency.
You think it is flexible because you can kick, punch, elbow, knee, choke, mount, and submit but that's a misconception, it's not flexibility, those are just the tools at your disposal, to use them collectively and coherently as an actual fighting form is another thing and mma lacks the ability to do that because it has just borrowed from everything else in an attempt at making a new fighting form. The proof of it's inefficiency is in all the fights you watch as well as you see people constantly struggling trying to use this load of mixed crap that is fronted as a real martial art to try and fight, while most of them shouldn't even be in a ring competing to begin with because they don't know how to defend themselves well enough, and aren't in good enough physical condition to last in a real fight not that they have to a lot of the times because they get to rest on the ground, against the fence, and while they stand in front of each other like they know how to box or something. Most of those 5 minute rounds consist of about 3 minutes of them stand in front of each other maybe attempting to throw a punch or kick here and there, then when they go through the motions to get to the ground which is only a few seconds of action, back to resting on the ground, and maybe squirming around a bit or throwing a few blind weak punches to any open source until the ref makes them stand up from being too inactive
One of the biggest flaws in your highly flawed brains is that you seem to think for some reason that because Boxing trains you to only use the hands, that it does not teach you how to deal with other types of offense, or how to protect yourself from them. Unfortunately for you it does teach you how to deal with kicks, and people trying to take you down, and people trying use your own weight and movement like in Judo and BJJ, and how to avoid the tactics of all kinds of attacks. It is a martial art in it's own right and one that has found the way to eliminate everything else without being at a disadvantage. If you can't figure that out, or understand how that is so, that's not my problem, it means you don't know shit about boxing just how you don't know as much as you think you do about mma, and have no place saying a fucking word to me about it, go eat dick and die. You act like a boxer is so completely doomed and like they don't know how to handle mma when it's truthfully the other way around and it's pretty fucking stupid having to keep drilling it in your thick skulls.
You are implying that boxing is superior to any martial art which frighteningly shows you do not know the difference between the ring and the streets.
And you know the ring or the streets asshole? I doubt it, I was raised in the fucking streets and I have been more than one kind of ring on plenty of occasions as well. Why don't you go make accusations elsewhere, accuse yourself of being smart or something else we know is a lie. Other than doing that you haven't done much of anything to attack my argument, just me personally which is why your a douche device. See I can do that too.
Boxing is not a complete martial art, it is a sport that covers one small aspect of fighting.
This must be the fucking land of make believe where you pretend you know a damn thing about Boxing. Once again right here is more proof that you really don't because you think it is so incomplete. If you knew half the shit you pretend you do, you'd know that Boxing is very well rounded and utilizes all parts of the body every bit as much as mma or any other martial arts, it just uses them to one cause, which is different but not less effective in any way.
elite military units would only train in boxing if it was
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Yep, that's it you just figured it out. Here's the evidence that proves it all, the military! Announce this shit folks we got a genius here. This is the single fact we overlooked that would have ended the debate, what would we do without your pseudo-smarts? The military has nothing to do with this debate, they have had a military boxing program longer than the two of us combined have been alive though and a national tournament, I guess they don't value boxing like you suggest huh?
To limit someone to fighting to only their hands would be ridiculous, no matter how great they are with it. Bruce lee would laugh in your face at your notion that a ring art like boxing is "real fighting."
First of all you couldn't even guess what Bruce Lee would say if a cashier asked him would you like fries with that? Secondly the evidence is mounting further as you show how you can't even understand the benefits of using only your hands. Like I said, it is the quickest most efficient way to take care of an opponent, so if you use the rest of your body to maximize the efficiency of your punches as well, the task becomes easier. It takes a lot more to get to that level though and joe blow off the couch can't just get into it and become a big star like in mma. Again, the standards for Boxing are much higher, and it takes more natural ability as well. You look at it as a limitation but it is actually a more free once you understand the way it works.
The pre-arranged moves of martial arts you speak of are prevelant in useless unproven arts like your TKD
Wow that's funny since TKD is regarded as the best form of self defense. I wouldn't call it unproven while your defending mma either considering that TKD has been around as long as boxing or longer. If anything mma is the unproven here, and you are too dumb to see that without it being pointed out for you. I remember once I called around to every dojo of every style in the city asking each one of them what was the best form of self defense, every one of them said TKD by far. These were instructors of BJJ, Aikido, Karate, Kempo, Judo, etc... So am I supposed to believe that you who have shown next to nothing for knowledge know better than all of those people? Who you trying to fuck? Don't piss on my leg and tell me it's raining.
An art like Brazilian Jiu Jitsu comes from Judo, which comes from Japanese JuJutsu, used by Samurais, real warriors who fought in life and death situations,
Life and death situations that have nothing to do with mma having any relevance over boxing. It doesn't matter where they came from, or who used them, or for what purpose. Your trying to bring up Samurai's and associate them to mma somehow, and you are the one criticizing me? Lets look at Goober's next brilliant statement shall we.
not in the ring with two pillows on their hands for a belt with a ref and tons of rules. There are no rules in fighting, hence the name MARTIAL arts.
First of all here, none of the people in mma or boxing are in a life and death situation on the roof tops of China fighting off invading forces so I don't see how any of that has any relevance. We're talking about to competing sports and I use the term sport loosely when refering to mma. Another thing that you are too stupid and uneducated on either sport to know is that a boxing glove is a lot more than a pillow wrapped around a persons hand. The hand is first wrapped and taped to make a cast around the fist which makes the punches much more compact and much more deadly, then you wrap it with a leather glove that has very little padding but makes a bigger landing surface. The size of the surface is important to reducing the amount of cuts, not much but some, and because a gloves cover a larger area they bring with them a greater impact. So essentially you have a brick wrapped in leather clobbering the majority of the area on your face over and over and over without the option to try any other tactic that would take away from the legitimacy of either mans victory or loss. Since these are sports as well, and we aren't fighting for our lives like Samurai's and Shoguns in ancient Japan there generally needs to be some structure which means rules, regulations, and standards set up to protect the athletes since they can both cause death and other types of serious damage. I didn't realize having sanctioned bouts with rules made Boxing beneath mma when they follow similar rules. And oh by the way, you expressed how weak having gloves is but didn't seem to remember that mma also uses gloves to some kind of protection, only their gloves do not hit as hard and because they are all around smaller can cause more cuts which is all unnecessary as well. It's just to try and be so different than boxing.
You mention how BJ Penn got his BJJ black belt in 3 years, yea, and they call him the prodigy for a reason. He was the first American to go to the Worlds in Brazil and win.
You missed the point there too? Your fucking hopeless. The point was that Boxing is something you can't just do for a given length of time and be considered a master, you have to do more than memorize kata's or forms and all that, you have to actually use your craft and build it over years and years, and there is no mastery or end to your training or learning in boxing. The only belt you get in boxing is when you become a champion, and that isn't the final level or anything like that, you keep going to prove your skills quite unlike most martial arts where you learn it, get your belt, and that's it, supposedly your worth of being that the rest of your life even though you don't use it or prove any of it.
Ten years for a TKD black belt? LOL, don't make me laugh, I trained in that bs under a Grand Master, don't try that.
And your probably lying like most of the bullshitters on here who say that shit to act like they really know anything. Well I know plenty of people who all trained regularly in TKD for years and years and typically it takes almost 10 years to get up there, and don't you try your shit with me! I know what the fuck I am talking about. I trained under and 8th degree black belt myself chumpstain. Unless somehow in your end of the universe it magically doesn't take very long to reach mastery of TKD than your just full of shit trying to front like you know anything. Your probably lying about that anyways.
Your argument of putting MMA guys in a boxing ring being the only way to prove themselves is as valid as saying put an NFL football player on a track against an olympic sprinter or in a weight lifting competition against a Strongest Man competitor to prove themselves as athletes. So you want to put an MMA guy against a boxer under their rules at the one thing a boxer is good at to prove something?
Actually Baby Huey no that wasn't what the fuck I was saying at all. Firstly we already know what happens when the mma gets in the boxing ring, he gets ko'd. I was saying you could even put a good boxer in the octagon and fight under mma rules and the boxer will win still. I never said I wanted to put the two together only under boxing rules, that's just you being a little fuck trying to twist everything I say into the most outrageous statement you can. The problem with that though is that you have made yourself look like an idiot the whole time trying to do so, and never anywhere have you made a real argument about mma being any better or worse than boxing or vice versa, all you are doing is trying to bawl me out for not gargling the nut better of the mma community like you. Well Fuck you, and anyone that looks like you.
You obviously do not know about the art of fighting if you think boxing footwork would work for MMA. That side stepping and circling will get your head taken off by a kick. You say MMA guys can't hit hard? Watch the show "Fight Science" with Bas Rutten and see just how incredibly hard he punches and kicks. For that matter, watch how hard fighters of other real martial arts hit.
Oh I love how you keep trying to say this shit, and then continue on your feeble minded little rant. I not only don't think I fucking know that the foot work of boxing is far superior to the lack of foot work in mma for starters. Side stepping and circling makes you the target idiot, it keeps you the bitch getting beat down, in the center of the ring like a matador and a bull.
You say MMA guys can't hit hard? Watch the show "Fight Science" with Bas Rutten and see just how incredibly hard he punches and kicks. For that matter, watch how hard fighters of other real martial arts hit.
God you don't listen to anything do you? I never said that mma fighters can't hit hard, I have repeatedly said though that boxers hit much harder and anyone who isn't just being a stubborn belligerent prick knows that. At least here you reveal the true source of your knowledge, television. Almost everything you've cited has been from t.v. Outside of that all it has been is personal attack, and denial of anything I said having any grain of truth. I have seen fight science too, there they revealed that Boxers punch harder than anyone on the planet, the hardest kick in the world is the TKD roundhouse, and the hardest shot in a knee to the body which they determined was the equivalent of being hit by a car going approximately 30 mph, the punch and kick were just barely below that.
You keep mentioning the Klitschko brothers and their elite boxing. In case you aren't aware, Sambo is the biggest sport/combat art in Russia and what the Russian Spetnaz train in.
Well turd burglar the Klitschko's aren't from Russia FYI they're from Ukraine dumb ass, sambo is the least of their concern, and has nothing to do with this conversation directly. At least I see you've been studying up watching Deadliest Warrior. I have kept mentioning the Klitschko's because they are two of the most technically sound boxers on the planet, and they happen to be giants who move like much smaller men. They are very good examples of what textbook boxing looks like, not surprisingly they both have ridiculous KO percentages with almost flawless records. They are two of the most dominant heavyweights to ever step in a ring. You wouldn't know that though would you, you didn't even know where they are from, and your going to try and convince me you know anything about this topic?
Oh and it also happens to be the main art of the top p4p MMA fighter in the world, Fedor Emelianenko, who happens to be a top level competitor in it as well.
P4P in mma, that doesn't make him the best in the world. I promise either Klitschko would handle that guy easy. He probably wouldn't even be able to get inside their jabs, no one else has been able to, and he's not a good enough Boxer to do it, so he would just end up getting slowly beat down until they set him up for a knockout and got his ass out of there. He's too slow on his feet, to big to be evasive, and not in near the condition of either Klitschko brother. There is nothing he can do to beat them, none of that sambo or any of his mma shit is going to help him get inside of punches, or endure them for that matter. Who the fuck has Fedor fought by the way? Oh yeah, stacks of nobodies, got it. Just like the majority of mma fighters.
How about you ask one of the Klitschko brother which art they think would be more effective in real combat, Boxing or Sambo.
Here's one Forest, that all depends on the fighters. Across the board though the Boxer is better trained and better conditioned, with better foot work, better hand skills, and better defensive skills. The ground game is pointless and takes away from making your most valuable tools you fists, the most well trained they can be. The whole idea is that once you are so good at boxing, you no longer have to worry about going to the ground because no one is going to be taking you there, you know how to stay out of that situation, it's called fighting your fight. Another thing is, we aren't talking about real combat on the streets, you keep going back to that never sticking on topic. We're talking about two sports and which one is better than the other. In this case I argue Boxing to be better and have the better athletes. Besides that, on the street when you can just knock someone out, I'd say that is a lot more effective than trying to do all that other shit.
You are delusional and frightenly oblivious as to what real fighting is.
Really? So far from this evaluation you haven't shown a thread of knowledge on anything you haven't seen on television and done nothing but bitch at me about how much you can't stand what I have said. Well, Fuck you. You're obviously the one that doesn't know shit, you are just another one of these idiots who watches it and thinks they know something about it because Joe Rogan does a decent play by play, what have you ever done in that arena? What training have you ever had that you weren't lying about? Probably nothing, and everything you have tried to argue shows it. Last but not least I can spell frighteningly and all the other words you illiterately tried to use and misspelled.
Don't ever speak Bruce Lee's name again when you are disrespecting him with your ignorant comments.
Oh I won't I'll say someone else's name when I am trying to disrespect Bruce Lee, that makes sense. I never disrespected Bruce Lee either, I held up his work as a shining example of what a real mixed martial art should be showing what a fucking joke this thing they call mma today is.
How about you read his book and train a real martial art a day in your life so you can see what real fighting is all
News flash dummy Tao of Jeet Kune Do own it, read it, learned it. Not that I am some kind of JKD master, no I wouldn't lay claim to that, I don't fight mma, I don't trump up my qualifications. I have dedicated most of my life to self defense and martial arts, just not an abomination to them like mma. Boxing has been my main focus because of the weaknesses of the martial arts as revealed by Bruce Lee, and been in more real fights than I'm sure you have, and never lost against people of all kinds of disciplines with my Boxing. I've taken a lot of damage doing so too, but I've always won because my technique was superior, Boxing.
I know what real fighting is, I've been doing it my whole life. I've fought guys bigger than me, smaller than me, faster than me, stronger than me, and trained in disciplines I've never practiced, but still I have always found a clean way to win without having to twist their arm like a bitch, or sit on top of them and beat them in the face like a caveman, or use dirty shots like elbows and knees, none of that. Ya know why? Because, all I needed was my fists. The most important thing to note too is that I've never had to seriously hurt anyone. You give someone a few good shots to ring their bell and you'd be surprised how fast their courage and their fight leaves them. Sometimes all I've had to do is make my attacker miss me and once they've tried to hit me so many times and failed they get frustrated and make a mistake, then POP! One good shot while they are coming at me full force and they go down. After that generally they don't want to go anymore because they know their outclasses. I never do more than what is necessary to keep myself from being harmed and disable my attacker from attacking me further. The whole idea of mma is to hurt someone as much as possible, it's not dignified, there's no sportsmanship, it's Go out there like a pitbull and be as violent and crazy as possible, hurt your opponent as much as possible to show how mean and tough you are that is the message, that is the motive. Boxing isn't like that, it's a contest of skills, not a fucking glorified bar fight.
Or slammed in such a way that your opponent's shoulder drives directly into your ribs. Or to avoid having one of your limbs broken, since you seem to think jiu-jitsu is for *****es as well.