I am pretty sure it was planned like that, but it definitely came off as awkward on TV. I think the point was that either Slater didn't expect Miz to actually get the pin, or that he was intimidated by Miz after he pretty much dominated Gabriel, because at this point I think the WWE was assuming that everyone expects the Miz to have to cheat or at least struggle to win a match, and while it did succeed in making the Miz look dominate and gave him arguably his most decisive win yet, the whole thing just seemed off.
Botched Spot or Strange Booking?
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finneycom1
Pre-Show Stalwart
Thank you, Zephyrs. That was the point I was making by starting this thread. Looking back, yes, I understand it can say Miz won the belts all on his own or whatever. I just thought Slater had this look like, "Oh shit, I was supposed to get in there. What do I do now?" Anyway, bad writing i thought. Having Miz say he won those belts by himself, does nothing to further the storyline.
To be perfectly honest with you all, I am really tired of the whole "Wrestlemania opponents having to team up against the tag champs before WM." How long have they been doing this now? I was a little pissed after Miz pinned him.
Still, odd looking finish to a match, that's all.
To be perfectly honest with you all, I am really tired of the whole "Wrestlemania opponents having to team up against the tag champs before WM." How long have they been doing this now? I was a little pissed after Miz pinned him.
Still, odd looking finish to a match, that's all.
xhayesamaniax
Dark Match Winner
My friend and I actually talked about how that whole segment just had an odd feel to it. Maybe it's in part because we are not used to seeing the Miz dominate and win cleanly. I personally liked it despite the strangeness of it all because kayfabe wise it furthered the dislike of Cena and Miz and also made Miz look like a legitimate threat against Super Cena, something that is much needed going into Wrestlemania imo.
I have to believe that it was intended. I mean, apart from the actual thing happening, it didn't seem out of the ordinary at all. It all happened so fast and so fluidly that it seems to me that it was intended.
To me, it is strange booking but it is also clever booking. Not only did they get Cena and The Miz to be Tag Team Champions for a while, they also managed to put over the Corre as smart heels that will do anything to make sure they hold onto their Championships. Also, they managed to put over Barrett and Slabriel* as quick-thinking competitors as well as making Slabriel look like gold against two of the most entertaining and well-though-of talents in the entire company. They held their own and really brought it to their opponents at many stages of the match.
That being said, I can see why people seem to think that it was a botch. I mean, having just won the belts the night before, it really didn't make sense to have them lose to The Miz and Cena before winning them back. Having The Miz perform the finish without having them win the Championship would have made more sense without making Slabriel lose cleanly in the middle of the ring before winning them back...
Hmm!
I still think it was planned but it is definitely one of the stranger things we will se on the road to WrestleMania this year.
*Slabriel is the name I have given to the Corre members of Gabriel and Slater.
To me, it is strange booking but it is also clever booking. Not only did they get Cena and The Miz to be Tag Team Champions for a while, they also managed to put over the Corre as smart heels that will do anything to make sure they hold onto their Championships. Also, they managed to put over Barrett and Slabriel* as quick-thinking competitors as well as making Slabriel look like gold against two of the most entertaining and well-though-of talents in the entire company. They held their own and really brought it to their opponents at many stages of the match.
That being said, I can see why people seem to think that it was a botch. I mean, having just won the belts the night before, it really didn't make sense to have them lose to The Miz and Cena before winning them back. Having The Miz perform the finish without having them win the Championship would have made more sense without making Slabriel lose cleanly in the middle of the ring before winning them back...
Hmm!
I still think it was planned but it is definitely one of the stranger things we will se on the road to WrestleMania this year.
*Slabriel is the name I have given to the Corre members of Gabriel and Slater.
King Blitzkonic
Manager to the Fizzled Stars
Cute. I've got a newsflash for you: I'm blaming the Cena vs. Miz feud for that burial. Last time I checked Cena is named JOHN CENA. I'm in no way condoning the Miz. I'm just saying that you don't bury champions, however irrelevant, for the cause of trying to push a main event. If you bothered to read instead of choking on the Cena's fruity pebbles, you would have seen that I was blaming CREATIVE for this moreso than Cena. He just happens to be involved. In fact a similar scenario happened a few years ago putting the tag titles on Cena/HBK in the midst of THEIR road to Wrestlemania. Again, bad move on creative's part and complete lack of creativity.
And actually the tag titles had meaning up till around 3 years ago. That's why the titles got unified, and that was the end of the tag division.
LitasRevenge79
Mrs. John Constantine
Ok. so Miz and Cena win a tag belt close to WM 27. I mean, why try to read any further into it other than IRONY. The irony is that he and Miz are going to be opponents, and then what better way for Miz to show that he's still a jerk, than to cost them the belts 5 seconds after winning by SCF'ing Cena while he attempts to FU Slater (which I thought looked kinda cool..lol).
Let's take a trip down memory lane, rewind back to the road to WM 23. HBK was going to face Cena at that very WM. On the way there, he and Cena ended up becoming tag team champions as well. Mind you, this was something put together as another form of irony, and we kept getting all these "Will he/won't he superkick Cena?" or "Will he/won't he FU HBK?" Then later on closer to WM 23, HBK basically screws over Cena, no one seemed to blame HBK for the downfall, did they? Its the plotline. I swear people seem to get so amped and find any minute microscopic thing to read into. I probably sound like a broken record, and think, its just the build up to get to the next point.
So what, Cena looked confused/surprised. I'd probably be a bit surprised too if I was teaming with someone who I detested/loathed and was trying to take away their dream or vice versa, and we ended up making a decent team to win the tag belts. Who wouldn't be a little surprised if someone was your worst enemy and they did a prop for you? It's been said before I think in one of the dvd's either HHH or Batista, its about suspending disbelief and just enjoying the moment. Why must people be so analytical anymore? People get so analytical that they may miss what they are trying to enjoy. So I'll probably get hate remarks, but just enjoy the build up to WM folks.
Let's take a trip down memory lane, rewind back to the road to WM 23. HBK was going to face Cena at that very WM. On the way there, he and Cena ended up becoming tag team champions as well. Mind you, this was something put together as another form of irony, and we kept getting all these "Will he/won't he superkick Cena?" or "Will he/won't he FU HBK?" Then later on closer to WM 23, HBK basically screws over Cena, no one seemed to blame HBK for the downfall, did they? Its the plotline. I swear people seem to get so amped and find any minute microscopic thing to read into. I probably sound like a broken record, and think, its just the build up to get to the next point.
So what, Cena looked confused/surprised. I'd probably be a bit surprised too if I was teaming with someone who I detested/loathed and was trying to take away their dream or vice versa, and we ended up making a decent team to win the tag belts. Who wouldn't be a little surprised if someone was your worst enemy and they did a prop for you? It's been said before I think in one of the dvd's either HHH or Batista, its about suspending disbelief and just enjoying the moment. Why must people be so analytical anymore? People get so analytical that they may miss what they are trying to enjoy. So I'll probably get hate remarks, but just enjoy the build up to WM folks.
Um, no, that's not what you said. You said these exact words:
You SAID the WWE is buying the Corre 'for John Cena', when he wasn't even involved in winning the tag team titles, as he wasn't even tagged in the match. You didn't say one bad thing about the Miz (is that because it's 'cool' to like the Miz just like it's 'cool' to blame Cena for booking decisions that are far beyond his control?). And the tag team titles have been irrelevant for a very, very long time, so really.. who cares if they lost? They ended up getting the belts back anyway. And yes, you did blame creative, but for the wrong reasons, which is my point.
Put it this way, what's more important; creating interest between The Miz and John Cena by making them win the tag team titles before they headline Wrestlemania, you know, the biggest even of the year? Or, making two Wrestlemania main eventers lose cleanly to two guys who have yet to show a real personality and were NXT rookies not that long ago?
And wait, WHAT? The tag team titles had meaning in 2008? Really? I struggle to believe that. Who was the most memorable tag team from that year, John Morrison and the Miz? Weren't they singles wrestlers randomly put together as a team? I rest my case.
I believe the actual sequence of the booking came out as planned and the title win was not a botch. It was a botch by the cameraman and Slater if there was a botch at all. The camera should not have captured Slater hesitating on whether to break up the pin. Slater should have not be attempting to enter and not enter at all. The sequence appeared awkward to the TV audience.
I can understand them wanting to build more tension between Cena and Miz for Wrestlemania, and it can provide good material for the match promo. However, the booking of the match was plain illogical. So the Miz won the match, and endured a beating by the Corre, fighting with everything he had to defend the title, only to lose it without care later? If you want to seem superior to Cena why not just let Cena be the man in the ring first. If you ignore that, another problem would be why the title vicotry in the first place? They could have done the exact same thing in the second match without the title changing hands.
Why do I think WWE did what they did? Firstly to pad title record of everyone involved in the match. Corre now is what, a 3 time champion now? Miz and Cena can add another WWE tag title to their resume as well. (Surprisingly they have not won it that many times) They need the new stars to have a resume that can compare to the attitude era stars record when titles were changing hands frequently.
I can understand them wanting to build more tension between Cena and Miz for Wrestlemania, and it can provide good material for the match promo. However, the booking of the match was plain illogical. So the Miz won the match, and endured a beating by the Corre, fighting with everything he had to defend the title, only to lose it without care later? If you want to seem superior to Cena why not just let Cena be the man in the ring first. If you ignore that, another problem would be why the title vicotry in the first place? They could have done the exact same thing in the second match without the title changing hands.
Why do I think WWE did what they did? Firstly to pad title record of everyone involved in the match. Corre now is what, a 3 time champion now? Miz and Cena can add another WWE tag title to their resume as well. (Surprisingly they have not won it that many times) They need the new stars to have a resume that can compare to the attitude era stars record when titles were changing hands frequently.
MrPierrini
Dark Match Winner
on Raw these belts lost the final bit of prestige that they once had. How many times have they given the title to the champion and the challenger, it makes me sick. Im tired of seeing the same things every time alongside the disrespect that wwe creative shows to the tag team division. OH WAIT THERE ISNT EVEN A TAG TEAM DIVISION
It really made me laugh when Slater during his enterance was bragging to the crowd about having the title. Seriously mate thats like bragging about cheating on your girlfriend, no ones really going to be impressed.
It really made me laugh when Slater during his enterance was bragging to the crowd about having the title. Seriously mate thats like bragging about cheating on your girlfriend, no ones really going to be impressed.
It was supposed to happen like that. You couldn't have the Champion and the number one contender lose to the Corre, so they had them win only to have an instant rematch resulting in the Miz screwing Cena (and himself) out of the tag team championships. It still makes Cena and the Miz look strong and it don't make the Corre look weak either. it was a good way to end raw and nobody got hurt credability wise.
