Blah, Blah Put over young talent!

[airvar]

One of the most common themes I see in general amoung wrestling fans is the never-ending need to put over new talent and create new stars.

Now I am not disagreeing with the concept of pushing talent anc creating new stars, but at what point are you focusing SO much on pushing the young talent, that you are neglecting the overall product.

Young talent has many benfits and any sucesful wrestling promotion HAS to create there own young stars to survive. When you push young talent however there is ALWAYS a learning curve. Most young talent dose not step up and become mega-stars overnight. Just because you push them dose not always mean they are entertaining, and just because they are entertaining dosen't mean that entertainment is sustainable for a long period of time.


Also there are needs for people in every portion of the show, you cannot have every person on the rooster going after the WWE championship every week. Obviously you want to present it as the "ultimate" goal of every super-star but its a simple fact you can't have more then a handful of people in the main event at once, thats why a superstar like Chris Jericho or Rey Mysterio is so coveted. They can fill in so many different slots in the show and transition without anyone having a second thought. The WWE needs wrestlers who loose, they need wrestlers to win, not everyone can be the "best kayfabe" wrestler , and people can not keep winning forever. Everyone has to loose at some point.

Another quick point on pushing young talent. You see alot of people talking about how young stars like Evan "air " Bourne, or the Hart Dynasty (pre- Bret's Return to the WWE), Cryme tyme (Pre and post break up), ect. are all "jobbers" and the wwe is "burying young talent ".

Has anyone stopped to consider the reason the younger guys tend to loose more is because they are not established main eventers? The WWE probably dose not want to push someone so young so quick. I mean look at a guy like Brock Lesnar, they built him as a HUGE star and he ended up leaving them in a huge lurch. Prehaps these guys are "squashed" and job for sometimes YEARS at a time, not because the WWE dosen't see potential in them, or dosen't think they could help run the company, but because like in any formal company the key ingrediant to moving up the chain and getting a better job is time. It takes years for someone to prove that they aren't going to leave the company, and prove that they truly want it. I know in my job industry you don't get an immediate promotion every few months.

I guess what my main point is, stop obsessing over which "young talent" is going to get pushed and enjoy the current talent to its fullest extent. Instead of asking who can a guy like Taker, HHH, ect. can "Put over" enjoy the last few years they have in THEIR career, because the best talent will always rise to the top. It's not your job to find the next Stone Cold Steve Austin, all you have to do is enjoy them while they last.

 

[Ferbian]

The first problem I have with your thread is the fact that you think they're focusing so much on pushing younger talents that they're neglecting the overall product, which has by far been much better as of late, while still pushing young talents, we're seeing a push in R-Truth, we're seeing somewhat of a push for any of the NXT stars, we're seeing a push for the Hart Dynasty etc.

The second problem I have is that you're saying that people loose a lot because they're not established main eventers, that's not necessarily true, there's some talent that are bound to loose because that's what they're around for, to be there, wrestle, no matter the outcome, because they make the other talent look good, those who wins for the most of the time, those who is getting the current push, and being made to look good, to eventually become that "established" main eventer that "doesn't loose a lot"

The WWE should be working on establishing new talent, their elder talents are slowly starting to reach a point where they retire, they need replacements in the main event scene, and while there's some talent that are getting pushed hard now, that means that WWE sees a future in that, they're testing the waters with them, with the exception of those you mention that were kept around for years, but never grabbed that brash ring of the main event picture, because WWE didn't see the potential in them being a main event wrestler (yet / ever).

 

[airvar]

I am sorry If I implied I was refering to the WWE as pushign young talent TOO Much. I was refering more to the fact that it seems like there is a new thread every day devoted to (insert up and comming young star here) is being squashed thread.

or WHERE IS EVAN BOURNES Push thread .

I actually think the WWE is doing a fairly decent job of who they are pushing and when they are pushing them in there careers. Sheamus is almost in his 30's, the Miz has been around for a few years now, ect.

My frustration has more to do with the fact people seem to care so much about a random up and commer that a lot of times they miss out on watching a guy like Randy Orton hitting what seems to be the prime of his career.


EDIT: Also wasn't refering to being established main eventers, just when people debut most of the time they work there way up from the jobber rank. You have to walk before you can run, and sometimes the reason someone is loosing so much has less to do with how well they preform and more to do with the fact that without senority (in any buisness) you tend to be overlooked, and have to do the crappy jobs (Jobbing to every talent, loosing a bit more then you may like) to stick around and prove you want to be there, and Just BECAUSE you job for a long period of time (years sometimes) Dose not mean that person will be a jobber "forever". They just might be waiting for the right time to push them into the spotlight, most people receive some sort of push one way or another in there time with WWE, very rarely do you see people never get a shot to get over at least once.

 

[Ferbian]

Yeah sure, we got those threads a lot, and there's even been made an official one for it, but the problem is that those threads are (to me) an immediate notice of the fact that someone should be considered somewhat underrated and sadly doesn't get the push he actually deserves, guys like Christian, who many would regard as a guy that should have held the world championship at least once already in WWE etc.

And yeah WWE is doing great at pushing the talent right now, they've been putting on a great show on both RAW and Smackdown, and are getting the people over pretty well, making us care, which is the whole purpose of pushing the talent the way they are, people needs patience, and eventually, good things will come from it.

 

[ABMorales787]

One of the most common themes I see in general amoung wrestling fans is the never-ending need to put over new talent and create new stars.

Now I am not disagreeing with the concept of pushing talent anc creating new stars, but at what point are you focusing SO much on pushing the young talent, that you are neglecting the overall product.

Young talent has many benfits and any sucesful wrestling promotion HAS to create there own young stars to survive. When you push young talent however there is ALWAYS a learning curve. Most young talent dose not step up and become mega-stars overnight. Just because you push them dose not always mean they are entertaining, and just because they are entertaining dosen't mean that entertainment is sustainable for a long period of time.


Also there are needs for people in every portion of the show, you cannot have every person on the rooster going after the WWE championship every week. Obviously you want to present it as the "ultimate" goal of every super-star but its a simple fact you can't have more then a handful of people in the main event at once, thats why a superstar like Chris Jericho or Rey Mysterio is so coveted. They can fill in so many different slots in the show and transition without anyone having a second thought. The WWE needs wrestlers who loose, they need wrestlers to win, not everyone can be the "best kayfabe" wrestler , and people can not keep winning forever. Everyone has to loose at some point.

Another quick point on pushing young talent. You see alot of people talking about how young stars like Evan "air " Bourne, or the Hart Dynasty (pre- Bret's Return to the WWE), Cryme tyme (Pre and post break up), ect. are all "jobbers" and the wwe is "burying young talent ".

Has anyone stopped to consider the reason the younger guys tend to loose more is because they are not established main eventers? The WWE probably dose not want to push someone so young so quick. I mean look at a guy like Brock Lesnar, they built him as a HUGE star and he ended up leaving them in a huge lurch. Prehaps these guys are "squashed" and job for sometimes YEARS at a time, not because the WWE dosen't see potential in them, or dosen't think they could help run the company, but because like in any formal company the key ingrediant to moving up the chain and getting a better job is time. It takes years for someone to prove that they aren't going to leave the company, and prove that they truly want it. I know in my job industry you don't get an immediate promotion every few months.

I guess what my main point is, stop obsessing over which "young talent" is going to get pushed and enjoy the current talent to its fullest extent. Instead of asking who can a guy like Taker, HHH, ect. can "Put over" enjoy the last few years they have in THEIR career, because the best talent will always rise to the top. It's not your job to find the next Stone Cold Steve Austin, all you have to do is enjoy them while they last.

The reason is simple. There is a lack of faith in the younger talent. You mentioned Sheamus. He got to where he is because Triple H pushed him. Thankfully it worked out. And because they are good buddies that means there is trust. The same can be said with The Miz. He has been persistant as hell to make it big. Since his Reality TV days he's been talking about becoming a WWE superstar. WWE saw that he has his loyalty set to them as well as the necessary tools to be a star.

On the other side of the coin, you have guys like Carlito and Shelton Benjamin. Who people say have all the potential in the world. But what happened when they got their big break? They got lazy and complaisant. Now what kind of star is that? WWE has been very careful with who they pick to lead their company as of late. Its not just because they may end up with another "Lesnar Hit And Run", but they may end up with a Kurt Angle, who has basically opened the door for TNA to become big. Or Umaga, who was getting a huge push , but had drug problems. Look how he ended up.

 

[Next Jericho]

What I am thinking is that WWE has noticed the rising of TNA. They see some off their wrestlers going they e.g Brian Kendrick,Jeff Hardy and many more so they are keeping the guys who they think can make an impact back e.g Even Bourne, Dolph Ziggler, Cody Rhodes and many more (WWE can push these guys to the moon they are Mint) just so they don't go over to TNA in they primes if WWE gave them a Brock Lesner or Batista push so they don't get hurt or move on to UFC where they are no use to the WWE so that is the reason in my option why the WWE are testing the waters for there own profit

 

[CuddleBuns84]

This is a rough thread. No real question of debate was really brought it. It was a "Hey, don't care what the company is trying to push, just enjoy, because you don't know what can happen." So basically a rant and opinion was made to complain about rants and opinions of others.

Jim Ross said it very well. Their is no magic wand to guarantee a success. When talent gets pushed, talent gets pushed. Jack Swagger and Sheamus are having good pushes right now, and it's needed for the company. The great thing about it as well is they are working with great veteran talent to get over, so we have a good chance of having some amazing future performers.

However this thread is really mind blowing...

Next jericho "What I am thinking is that WWE has noticed the rising of TNA. They see some off their wrestlers going they e.g Brian Kendrick,Jeff Hardy and many more so they are keeping the guys who they think can make an impact back e.g Even Bourne, Dolph Ziggler, Cody Rhodes and many more (WWE can push these guys to the moon they are Mint) just so they don't go over to TNA in they primes if WWE gave them a Brock Lesner or Batista push so they don't get hurt or move on to UFC where they are no use to the WWE so that is the reason in my option why the WWE are testing the waters for there own profit"

News flash dude, Hardy and Kendrick have done shit since they got to TNA. In fact, Hardy after he is done with TNA will never see a professional wrestling ring again, unless Matt Hardy does a good job telling WWE management he is worth one more shot. Not also that, is I'm thinking the WWE doesn't care what TNA is doing because number 1, they have stated that they don't care, and number 2, they smashed them in the ratings.

But anyways I know I sound silly, but what the hell is this thread about?! Is it about how we need to stop complaining about new talent, how should we develop new talent, should the talent make foods for the fans, can the talent that is new make porn to get their name out, or does the new talent, need more talent, before more new talent, tries to show off their talent, because the talent bar is closed for the day? Why the hell did I even post in here.

Minus Five man points for the one who created this!

 

[Travaje]

I mostly disagree with OP. I'm not saying that the newer, younger guys should have World Championships put on them in a short time, or guys like Evan Bourne should be main-eventing, but the few guys the WWE had in the attitude era are not going to be around too much longer, and they have nobody that's younger that has reached the level of a Stone Cold, or the Rock, which is ultimately the goal. They are not looking for people to sustain the rating, but actually improve the rating. They do not have enough Miz's. They need more.

 

[Sgt Ledbetter]

Just a reminder to everyone.....R-Truth shouldnt be considered "young talent"....he is 38 yrs old, older than John Cena, Edge, Christian, and Rey Mysterio. This is info that should be acknowledged going forward with any arguments saying R-Truth is an example of young talent getting pushed.

 

[ckoneagain]

You know what they call young talent that gets over with the company?...that's right...talent! This argument is as never ending as it is pointless, the fact is if WWE wasn't putting over 'young talent' then we'd have no edge, no randy orton, no Cena, were all 'young talent' who 'should get a better push' at some point. Anyone remember Batista's debut as 'the Decon'? or many Edge's debut as some crazy angst-ridden character? The fact is it takes time to develop a character in people's minds enough to be in a main event position so stop whining about it

 

[WhyTravisFelt]

I would much rather watch WWE push it's established wrestlers who haven't gotten a chance in the main event yet, namely Matt Hardy and Christian, and continue pushes for guys like Punk who are still relatively new to the main event scene than to continue pushing guys like Sheamus, McIntyre and the constant barrage of talentless second generation stars like Ted and Cody down our throat. I'm getting a terrible feeling that the old guard that I've been waiting to see disappear for years (HHH, Batista) are going to instead be replaced by a bunch of boring rookies who are just as awful to watch in the ring. Part of me kind of hopes they keep it up to give guys an incentive to leave to TNA who, with Anderson and Pope, are putting on a much better product anyway.

Also, it's spelt 'lose' (not 'loose' which is what jeans can be) and 'does' (not 'dose' which is what drugs can be). Grammar police are coming after you too, Next Jericho. The things at the ends of my sentences are called periods. Here's an example.