Bayley Curses!

[OYDK]

It's like checking out your friend's little sister.

Literally said 5 minutes ago, "Bailey's like everybody's little sister". It's so true it's almost comical.

 

[klunderbunker]

Literally said 5 minutes ago, "Bailey's like everybody's little sister". It's so true it's almost comical.

I remember a little over a year ago a buddy of mine said he had a crush on her. At first I wasn't sure how anyone could and then I realized I kind of did too. I showed Becca a handful of her matches and she's a huge fan now too.

 

[OYDK]

I remember a little over a year ago a buddy of mine said he had a crush on her. At first I wasn't sure how anyone could and then I realized I kind of did too. I showed Becca a handful of her matches and she's a huge fan now too.

I seriously don't know how anybody can not like Bailey. Sure signs of a hidden sociopath.

 

[klunderbunker]

I seriously don't know how anybody can not like Bailey. Sure signs of a hidden sociopath.

The most interesting thing to me: she's probably G rated instead of PG and she's the most popular act in all of NXT. The only person on the same planet she's on is Balor. But the same hardcore fans who watch NXT and cheer her to high Heaven every single week are the same fans that beg for PG to end.

The lesson: it's all about the presentation. Bayley has been treated like something serious and it's actually effective.

 

[OYDK]

The most interesting thing to me: she's probably G rated instead of PG and she's the most popular act in all of NXT. The only person on the same planet she's on is Balor. But the same hardcore fans who watch NXT and cheer her to high Heaven every single week are the same fans that beg for PG to end.

The lesson: it's all about the presentation. Bayley has been treated like something serious and it's actually effective.

See any similarities between her and A.J Lee when she first started? I vaguely remember A.J getting over with much the same gimmick.

 

[klunderbunker]

See any similarities between her and A.J Lee when she first started? I vaguely remember A.J getting over with much the same gimmick.

Not entirely but there are a few similarities.

 

[Slash-LN]

But name me one NXT superstar or Diva who were MORE popular once they went to RAW.

Name someone who people didn't like their gimmick or persona in NXT, and then loved what they did with them when the same superstar went to the main roster.

Why is Charlotte hated for her associations when having Dusty Rhodes interact with Goldust and Cody/Stardust hasn't been slated (nor should it). I thought Ric Flair was beloved.

I bet if Ric Flair accompanied Charlotte in NXT, but left her on her own when she went up to the main roster, people would criticise her and say that she can't deliver on her own.

It will never happen because people here will never admit that WWE will do something better than in NXT.

I think Roman Reigns was more popular once he went to Raw.

You telling me to name someone that people hated their gimmick in NXT and then liked what they did with them once they got to the main roster just echoes the complaint a lot of people have. That NXT seems to have a better creative/booking team. Then the main roster gets their hands on what NXT built and feels the need to change it.

However The Shield was incredible. While I would say people didn't hate those guys in NXT, once they got to RAW they were fantastic as a unit. And the fact that they are still over says a lot about that.

Charlotte isn't hated for having an association with her father. Charlotte is hated for coming out and doing the Wooo bit and making it more about her dad than herself. I don't think Charlotte would have gone over well in NXT if Ric was coming out with her all the time. If he came out just the one time when she actually won the Divas title I don't think too many people would have complained. But when we have to see him every week and hear about him every week it overshadows her. Her identity is lost. She can wrestle. Let her do that.

You saying that if he had been coming out with her every week in NXT and then dropping her once she got to the main roster people would be saying that she couldn't do it on her own is exactly the point.

To the audience that isn't familiar with NXT that's currently what they see. Oh she needs to make it on her dad's name so she must not be that good. And that's frustrating for the people who know her from NXT and know how false that is.

 

[The Butcher]

Y'all suck at Bayley threads.

 

[nightmare]

It's just missing some UK NXT chants.

 

[d_henderson1810]

Kevin Owens
Sasha Banks
Daniel Bryan



Big E.
The Usos
Rusev



Cody Rhodes didn't take the exact same gimmick as his dad. There's a difference between being associated with Ric Flair and trying to be the next Ric Flair.



Probably, but that didn't happen.



WWE is much better at appealing to all audiences than NXT. There. Now you can stop crying about nobody loving WWE.

I remember people loving Kevin Owens' stuff on NXT. I wouldn't say that Sasha has reached the heights on RAW that she did in NXT. Daniel Bryan, but only because he was starting out, and only because no-one cares if you aren't "pushed" on NXT.

Cody doesn't have the same exact gimmick as his dad, but he has the exact same gimmick as his brother, yet people love Stardust (not so much now, but only because he isn't being used much).

So Cody has the same gimmick as a beloved superstar, and is applauded for it (as he should, it is an awesome gimmick). But how is that different to Charlotte copying some of her dad's moves.

Besides, her "cheating" like her dad did, makes for an interesting possible heel turn when it happens.

WWE is better than NXT for the following:-

Making "household names"- WWE makes NXT wrestlers' household names. How many NXT superstars or Divas have got movie roles, or are known outside of wrestling, without coming through the main WWE roster first. NXT trains future stars. WWE makes them "stars", with all the promotional tools thrown behind them.

Look at what coming up to the main roster has done for Daniel Bryan and Paige. Bryan wouldn't be nearly as over still on the NXT roster, and definitely wouldn't main-event Wrestlemania, "Yes" Movement or not.

Paige is now a household name, is in a couple of movies, and is used in much WWE promotional material.

More people watch "Wrestlemania" each year than all the "NXT Takeovers" in a year combined.

 

[d_henderson1810]

I think Roman Reigns was more popular once he went to Raw.

You telling me to name someone that people hated their gimmick in NXT and then liked what they did with them once they got to the main roster just echoes the complaint a lot of people have. That NXT seems to have a better creative/booking team. Then the main roster gets their hands on what NXT built and feels the need to change it.

However The Shield was incredible. While I would say people didn't hate those guys in NXT, once they got to RAW they were fantastic as a unit. And the fact that they are still over says a lot about that.

Charlotte isn't hated for having an association with her father. Charlotte is hated for coming out and doing the Wooo bit and making it more about her dad than herself. I don't think Charlotte would have gone over well in NXT if Ric was coming out with her all the time. If he came out just the one time when she actually won the Divas title I don't think too many people would have complained. But when we have to see him every week and hear about him every week it overshadows her. Her identity is lost. She can wrestle. Let her do that.

You saying that if he had been coming out with her every week in NXT and then dropping her once she got to the main roster people would be saying that she couldn't do it on her own is exactly the point.

To the audience that isn't familiar with NXT that's currently what they see. Oh she needs to make it on her dad's name so she must not be that good. And that's frustrating for the people who know her from NXT and know how false that is.

Well, she needs to make it on her dad's name, since she doesn't even use her real first name when wrestling.

I mean, how many people know Charlotte is Ashleigh Flair?No, instead name her after her hometown, because they had some Ashley chick wrestle in WWE a few years ago, and people may get confused. And NXT is just as guilty of hiding this fact.

 

[A11oftheLights]

Geez some people on here make you want to throw yourself in front of a train

 

[OYDK]

I remember people loving Kevin Owens' stuff on NXT.

Yes they did. But he has gotten over with a much larger audience on the main roster, and has gradually become more and more popular over the weeks. Nowadays, nearly everybody reacts to Kevin Owens. When he first came up, reactions were pretty lacklustre.

I wouldn't say that Sasha has reached the heights on RAW that she did in NXT.

This is debatable. From a positioning standpoint, she was obviously more of a huge fish in a tiny pond in NXT. She was obviously going to be featured more prominently on that show. In regards to her popularity she was red-hot with the NXT audience, but similar to Owens, she is just as popular with the main roster crowd. Various "We Want Sasha" chants have broken out ever since her debut.

On scale, both are more popular with more people on the main roster than they were on NXT.

Cody doesn't have the same exact gimmick as his dad, but he has the exact same gimmick as his brother, yet people love Stardust (not so much now, but only because he isn't being used much).

He only became Stardust after years of carving out his own path as Cody Rhodes. It wasn't like he started out as Stardust. Also, it made sense because they were in a tag and the "Dust" gimmick worked great for a tag team.

So Cody has the same gimmick as a beloved superstar, and is applauded for it (as he should, it is an awesome gimmick). But how is that different to Charlotte copying some of her dad's moves.

Again, it's because Cody has already built a separate career from his father or brother. While his relationship with them was regularly brought up, his gimmicks (Dashing, Disfigured, Legacy, etc.) have all been strictly his own. Also,Charlotte does more than just copy some of her dad's moves. She has instantly taken his catchphrase, finishing move, theme music, and now he's managing her to the ring. It's overkill, man.

WWE is better than NXT for the following:-

Making "household names"- WWE makes NXT wrestlers' household names. How many NXT superstars or Divas have got movie roles, or are known outside of wrestling, without coming through the main WWE roster first. NXT trains future stars. WWE makes them "stars", with all the promotional tools thrown behind them.

Oh my goodness, is this some sort of secret? NXT is developmental and not offered on television. Of course, wrestlers are not going to become "household names" on NXT. That's your defense of WWE over NXT? That's pretty bad if that's the only thing WWE is better than NXT at.

More people watch "Wrestlemania" each year than all the "NXT Takeovers" in a year combined.

Point being? NXT Takeover is always rated higher than the WWE PPVs. Just because more people have access to WWE doesn't make it the better product.

For somebody who defends WWE to a fault, you're arguments on why it's good kind of suck. I mean, you've basically said WWE is better than NXT because it has more exposure... you haven't mentioned anything about the products. But I'm also guessing you don't watch NXT, which makes your criticism of it friggin ridiculous.

 

[Slash-LN]

Well, she needs to make it on her dad's name, since she doesn't even use her real first name when wrestling.

I mean, how many people know Charlotte is Ashleigh Flair?No, instead name her after her hometown, because they had some Ashley chick wrestle in WWE a few years ago, and people may get confused. And NXT is just as guilty of hiding this fact.

She needs to make it on her ability. Which she has the ability. That's what got her over in NXT.

Showcase that on the main roster.

The whole point of that whole "divas revolution" deal was to showcase the skills of the women in the division.

Instead we get crap.

There's a reason the Four Horsewomen were over in NXT. It has nothing to do with who they know.

 

[d_henderson1810]

Yes they did. But he has gotten over with a much larger audience on the main roster, and has gradually become more and more popular over the weeks. Nowadays, nearly everybody reacts to Kevin Owens. When he first came up, reactions were pretty lacklustre.



This is debatable. From a positioning standpoint, she was obviously more of a huge fish in a tiny pond in NXT. She was obviously going to be featured more prominently on that show. In regards to her popularity she was red-hot with the NXT audience, but similar to Owens, she is just as popular with the main roster crowd. Various "We Want Sasha" chants have broken out ever since her debut.

On scale, both are more popular with more people on the main roster than they were on NXT.



He only became Stardust after years of carving out his own path as Cody Rhodes. It wasn't like he started out as Stardust. Also, it made sense because they were in a tag and the "Dust" gimmick worked great for a tag team.



Again, it's because Cody has already built a separate career from his father or brother. While his relationship with them was regularly brought up, his gimmicks (Dashing, Disfigured, Legacy, etc.) have all been strictly his own. Also,Charlotte does more than just copy some of her dad's moves. She has instantly taken his catchphrase, finishing move, theme music, and now he's managing her to the ring. It's overkill, man.



Oh my goodness, is this some sort of secret? NXT is developmental and not offered on television. Of course, wrestlers are not going to become "household names" on NXT. That's your defense of WWE over NXT? That's pretty bad if that's the only thing WWE is better than NXT at.




Point being? NXT Takeover is always rated higher than the WWE PPVs. Just because more people have access to WWE doesn't make it the better product.

For somebody who defends WWE to a fault, you're arguments on why it's good kind of suck. I mean, you've basically said WWE is better than NXT because it has more exposure... you haven't mentioned anything about the products. But I'm also guessing you don't watch NXT, which makes your criticism of it friggin ridiculous.

Of course Owens and Sasha are going to be exposed to more people now. They are on a program with a bigger audience. It's mathematics that more people will like them if more people watch "RAW" than NXT.

What I mean is, let's face it, most of these people are in WWE to become household names, including most of those on NXT. Yeah, like anyone would turn down more money than they have ever seen and the chance to be listed amongst the all-time greats of the industry.

Why do you think every major name in wrestling has been through WWE at one stage? Because WWE makes you a star- not NXT, not ROH, not other indy leagues. Even hold-outs like Goldberg and Sting, who vowed never to join WWE, caved. Would they do that if WWE wasn't the pinnacle.

You put up arguments, but I beat you with FACTS. WWE gets bigger audiences than NXT. FACT. Many who have come up the roster from NXT to WWE are bigger stars now. FACT. Wrestlemania sells more seats and is watched by more people than a year's worth of NXT Takeovers. FACT. Vince McMahon knows how to make stars, has outlasted all the other companies and has made millions out of wrestling, so he must know something you don't. FACT.

How can you argue with this evidence? How can you twist this to say that NXT is a bigger rating, more watched, more attended, bigger "star making" product than WWE?

The biggest thing is, WWE OWNS NXT. So if you attend an NXT show, or watch its product, or buy an NXT T-shirt, Vince still has your money. Money is money, he doesn't care where it comes from. So you are feeding him regardless, whether it be WWE or NXT, so, as long as he sucks you in, why does he need to care about what you think of RAW compared to NXT.

Saying that NXT will beat RAW is like saying that the Alliance would beat WWE or the WWE-financed ECW would topple WWE. They get your money anyway, so who cares. Vince still wins.

 

[ABMorales787]

Of course Owens and Sasha are going to be exposed to more people now. They are on a program with a bigger audience. It's mathematics that more people will like them if more people watch "RAW" than NXT.

What I mean is, let's face it, most of these people are in WWE to become household names, including most of those on NXT. Yeah, like anyone would turn down more money than they have ever seen and the chance to be listed amongst the all-time greats of the industry.

Why do you think every major name in wrestling has been through WWE at one stage? Because WWE makes you a star- not NXT, not ROH, not other indy leagues. Even hold-outs like Goldberg and Sting, who vowed never to join WWE, caved. Would they do that if WWE wasn't the pinnacle.

You put up arguments, but I beat you with FACTS. WWE gets bigger audiences than NXT. FACT. Many who have come up the roster from NXT to WWE are bigger stars now. FACT. Wrestlemania sells more seats and is watched by more people than a year's worth of NXT Takeovers. FACT. Vince McMahon knows how to make stars, has outlasted all the other companies and has made millions out of wrestling, so he must know something you don't. FACT.

How can you argue with this evidence? How can you twist this to say that NXT is a bigger rating, more watched, more attended, bigger "star making" product than WWE?

The biggest thing is, WWE OWNS NXT. So if you attend an NXT show, or watch its product, or buy an NXT T-shirt, Vince still has your money. Money is money, he doesn't care where it comes from. So you are feeding him regardless, whether it be WWE or NXT, so, as long as he sucks you in, why does he need to care about what you think of RAW compared to NXT.

Saying that NXT will beat RAW is like saying that the Alliance would beat WWE or the WWE-financed ECW would topple WWE. They get your money anyway, so who cares. Vince still wins.

So basically all your posturing is utterly pointless as pointed out by you and just you mouthing off trying to sound smart.

 

[OYDK]

WWE gets bigger audiences than NXT. FACT.

That makes it a better product?

Many who have come up the roster from NXT to WWE are bigger stars now. FACT.

That makes it a better product?

Wrestlemania sells more seats and is watched by more people than a year's worth of NXT Takeovers. FACT.

That makes it a better product?

Vince McMahon knows how to make stars, has outlasted all the other companies and has made millions out of wrestling, so he must know something you don't. FACT.

That makes it a better product?

What the fuck are you even trying to prove? You literally sound brain-dead man. I can't believe people as dense as you are actually in existence. I'm going to stop responding to your nonsense now as you're pissing me off, and getting pissed off over a moron an a wrestling forum isn't worth it.

 

[Mr. Artistic guy]

Poms are used to singing to ugly chicks. Just look at their women.

Get her AWAY!

[YOUTUBE]6fSKSdLW3r0[/YOUTUBE]

 

[d_henderson1810]

So basically all your posturing is utterly pointless as pointed out by you and just you mouthing off trying to sound smart.

No. I'm saying that treating NXT like some indy league is stupid, because it is a feeder league to a big company.

NXT isn't like ROH. It is more like OVW, which used to be the WWE's feeder league. The only difference is that NXT is televised.

You make it sound like Vince has no say over NXT, so that is why it is good. Hey, Vince owns WWE, so don't you think that everything that happens, including things that happen in NXT, are because Vince greenlit it. So, stop trying to sound like NXT is superior to WWE in every way.

 

[d_henderson1810]

Get her AWAY!

[YOUTUBE]6fSKSdLW3r0[/YOUTUBE]

Margot Robbie is Australian, not English.

 

[d_henderson1810]

That makes it a better product?



That makes it a better product?



That makes it a better product?



That makes it a better product?

What the fuck are you even trying to prove? You literally sound brain-dead man. I can't believe people as dense as you are actually in existence. I'm going to stop responding to your nonsense now as you're pissing me off, and getting pissed off over a moron an a wrestling forum isn't worth it.

I don't know why you did respond, if this is the best argument you put up.

How does those facts I mention NOT make WWE a better product? You didn't answer that question, you just showed snobbery as if a product making more money and being more well-known doesn't make it better.

Well, yes it does. Because it wouldn't make more money and be better known, unless lots of people thought it was a better product. But you think you know better than everyone else, and that only your tastes matter.

Good luck with that, and don't ever run a business, if you think that what you want matters more than other people.

 

[d_henderson1810]

She needs to make it on her ability. Which she has the ability. That's what got her over in NXT.

Showcase that on the main roster.

The whole point of that whole "divas revolution" deal was to showcase the skills of the women in the division.

Instead we get crap.

There's a reason the Four Horsewomen were over in NXT. It has nothing to do with who they know.

But Charlotte is doing her own stuff.

She does a figure-four, but lifts herself off the ground while doing it, so it pays homage to her father, but is her own distinct move as well. It is not like she is doing a Figure-4 just like her Dad's.

Again, I reiterate, if she had Ric with her in NXT, but didn't on RAW, you would criticise that too, and say that Charlotte needs Ric by her side, because they did it in NXT. Anything that NXT is 100% right, 100% of the time, according to most here.

Look, I get it. This board is pro-NXT, and anti-WWE.

 

[Stone Cold Tea]

But Charlotte is doing her own stuff.

She does a figure-four, butlifts herself off the ground whilst doing it, so it pays homage to her father, but is her own distinct move as well. It is not like she is doing a Figure-4 just like her Dad's.

Holy shit someone pull out the Wrestling Moves Encyclopedia we got a new entry

 

[Slash-LN]

But Charlotte is doing her own stuff.

She does a figure-four, but lifts herself off the ground while doing it, so it pays homage to her father, but is her own distinct move as well. It is not like she is doing a Figure-4 just like her Dad's.

Again, I reiterate, if she had Ric with her in NXT, but didn't on RAW, you would criticise that too, and say that Charlotte needs Ric by her side, because they did it in NXT. Anything that NXT is 100% right, 100% of the time, according to most here.

Look, I get it. This board is pro-NXT, and anti-WWE.

She constantly has to talk about her dad. She does the same stupid "Wooooo" that Ric did. They had to insert Ric into her feud with Paige.

If they did that shit in NXT then people wouldn't have liked her and it would have overshadowed her skill, much like it is doing on the main roster.

NXT doesn't do things 100% right either.

Mojo Rawley is a good example of that. Because that's a stupid fucking gimmick.

But when a worker gets over in NXT it's stupid as hell to change what made them over in the first place once they get to the main roster.

 

[Mr. Artistic guy]

Margot Robbie is Australian, not English.

No no, I was trying to be derisory about your women.