Batista vs. The Undertaker
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Moon Knight
Original Prince of Darkness
I am not sure anymore. Some reports say he will lose and others say he will win. I think he needs to win as him loosing at mania would cause a riot, but I am not sure anymore and will wait and see.
woodywood7
Dark Match Jobber
if batista win.....my frens and i are will quit watching WWE. to destroy this legacy is total 
I was having a discussion about this with one of my friends today, and to be honest I can only see one reason why Batista shouldn’t go over… and that is if Undertaker plans to go on for another few years.
If in his mind this will be his last Wrestlemania appearance then why not put someone over? What does an undefeated streak do for the company except give Undertaker the bragging rights to a fake undefeated streak at Wrestlemania to tell the grandchildren about? Having someone go over Undertaker will mean that this streak has done something other than put Undertaker himself over, and if he were retiring like I said it doesn’t do the company any good at all. Think of the monumental push it would give Batista or anyone else for that matter going over Undertaker cleanly at Wrestlemania.
Like I said the only reason to keep the streak in tact is if he fully intends to go on for another couple of years, having someone end the streak now, and then having someone beat him again at Wrestlemania would only serve to tarnish the person who actually ended the streak.
Don’t get me wrong, I do want Undertaker to go over, but not to keep his so called legacy in tact, more because I’d like to see him hold the belt one last time before he retires. But I stand by that before he retires someone needs to end the streak.
If in his mind this will be his last Wrestlemania appearance then why not put someone over? What does an undefeated streak do for the company except give Undertaker the bragging rights to a fake undefeated streak at Wrestlemania to tell the grandchildren about? Having someone go over Undertaker will mean that this streak has done something other than put Undertaker himself over, and if he were retiring like I said it doesn’t do the company any good at all. Think of the monumental push it would give Batista or anyone else for that matter going over Undertaker cleanly at Wrestlemania.
Like I said the only reason to keep the streak in tact is if he fully intends to go on for another couple of years, having someone end the streak now, and then having someone beat him again at Wrestlemania would only serve to tarnish the person who actually ended the streak.
Don’t get me wrong, I do want Undertaker to go over, but not to keep his so called legacy in tact, more because I’d like to see him hold the belt one last time before he retires. But I stand by that before he retires someone needs to end the streak.
Yeah but Batista's in his 40's so neither's the future of the company. Taker's winning streak should be used to put a superstar over. Somebody who will be with the company for a further 10 plus year's. Batista will be lucky to still be alive in 10 year's let alone wrestling.
Taker should win this year to keep the streak. But next year he should use it to put over a superstar like Punk or Nitro. Preferably Punk. With his Straight Edge gimmick he's a positive role model and with the tattoo's he has a great look.
Taker should win this year to keep the streak. But next year he should use it to put over a superstar like Punk or Nitro. Preferably Punk. With his Straight Edge gimmick he's a positive role model and with the tattoo's he has a great look.
Unrated Superstar
Thufferin' Thuccatash!
You brought up a good point Johnny, and it really got me thinking.
Here's the way I see it. When I first read your idea about how Taker should put somebody over I was thinking "Come on, he's The Undertaker, how are you gonna disrespect him by ending his streak, even if he is leaving soon?" But then I thought about the good it could do for anyone who could break it, and I think you may be right. But like Jake said, it should NOT be Batista. Not only is Batista an older gentleman by wrestling standards, but he is already over enough to the point that ending Taker's streak wouldn't do for him nearly what it could do for some of the guys in the company who just haven't quite broken through that glass ceiling.
But of course you'd have to build up whoever it is at least a little before he ends Taker's streak, otherwise it would just look silly and would be a disgrace to Taker. For example, in my opinion Carlito's a talented guy with a lot of charisma who's still struggling to break away from the mid-card. Of course ending Taker's streak could do wonders for him, but if they did it now at the point Carlito's at, that wouldn't work. But if they built him up to a point where he at least had more credibilty, then it could give him an excellent push. No, I'm not saying Carlito should necessarily be the one to break the streak (although I wouldn't mind seeing it happen), I'm just giving an example.
I think a good example of someone who's already been built up enough but could use the push would be Mr. Kennedy. He's had a couple title shots, but we all knew he wouldn't win. He's beaten 7 world champions, but as I've pointed out before, anyone can beat guys who have been champion. He's been the United States champion, but so have a lot of people. So there's that balance there, he's done some impressive things that make him credible, but not to the point where he's past being able to use a gigantic push like that. But especially considering he very well might win the MITB match this year, by next year's Wrestlemania he might not need the push anymore. But if the circumstances were different and someone were to be in line to beat him this year, I think he'd be a great candidate.
But I do agree that CM Punk could be a good one too.
Here's the way I see it. When I first read your idea about how Taker should put somebody over I was thinking "Come on, he's The Undertaker, how are you gonna disrespect him by ending his streak, even if he is leaving soon?" But then I thought about the good it could do for anyone who could break it, and I think you may be right. But like Jake said, it should NOT be Batista. Not only is Batista an older gentleman by wrestling standards, but he is already over enough to the point that ending Taker's streak wouldn't do for him nearly what it could do for some of the guys in the company who just haven't quite broken through that glass ceiling.
But of course you'd have to build up whoever it is at least a little before he ends Taker's streak, otherwise it would just look silly and would be a disgrace to Taker. For example, in my opinion Carlito's a talented guy with a lot of charisma who's still struggling to break away from the mid-card. Of course ending Taker's streak could do wonders for him, but if they did it now at the point Carlito's at, that wouldn't work. But if they built him up to a point where he at least had more credibilty, then it could give him an excellent push. No, I'm not saying Carlito should necessarily be the one to break the streak (although I wouldn't mind seeing it happen), I'm just giving an example.
I think a good example of someone who's already been built up enough but could use the push would be Mr. Kennedy. He's had a couple title shots, but we all knew he wouldn't win. He's beaten 7 world champions, but as I've pointed out before, anyone can beat guys who have been champion. He's been the United States champion, but so have a lot of people. So there's that balance there, he's done some impressive things that make him credible, but not to the point where he's past being able to use a gigantic push like that. But especially considering he very well might win the MITB match this year, by next year's Wrestlemania he might not need the push anymore. But if the circumstances were different and someone were to be in line to beat him this year, I think he'd be a great candidate.
But I do agree that CM Punk could be a good one too.
there is no reason to break the streak...the majority of the fans do not see it as putting someone over because the fact is the majority of the wwe audience does not want to see the undertaker lose at wrestlemania...an average star who has yet to b put over break the undertakers wrestlemania streak would b puttin absoute bull..its putting them WAYYYYYYYYYYY to over...the streak is mean to show that the undertaker IS the wwe...he is above every superstar..you have your ic champ who is right below the champ..then you have your champs..then you have your legendary superstars and then you have the undertaker...he's been built up overtime as the head honcho of the wwe..above mortals and above every superstar he is the guy...to beat him at wrestlemania is impossible..any other ppv sure go ahead but not mania...it wouldnt make any sense to do it whatsoever..he's beaten kane, psycho sid, mark henry, hhh, etc he's been legendary stars at mania which just further engraves that he is the top guy...he isnt going to lose at wrestlemania i gurantee it!
Bernkastel
Reaper of Miracles
So far I agree with the point made made that whomever manages to beat Taker at Mania will most likely go on to be the next phenom of wrestling. I can see why WWE would have that happen. I personally don't think Batista is that man. I agree that if Batista beat Taker at Mania it won't put him any more over because the man's already over enough. However if Kennedy were to beat Taker then that could be the catalyist he's been looking for, like King of the Ring was for Stone Cold. However, even though I can agree with this solution, especially if the guy was deserving and had all the right tools (which Kennedy does), I believe that Taker's streak is special and shouldn't be broken by anyone. If it had to be broken, the only man I said that would be worthy enough to take it would be kane, due to him being the storyline brother of Taker. And even though kane only has a few more years left I think that kane has more than paid his dues and has earned that right to beat taker, at least IMO. A win for kane over undertaker could be a good way to finally help put their story to rest, since I've always seen Kane as more of the victim in their story rather than the Undertaker.
Kennedy would be someone good to beat Taker at WM. He's already annoying, and having bragging rights to ending Undertaker's winning streak would just make him more annoying, which is overness in itself.
But this WM, I do not believe Taker should lose the streak. There's no reason for him to lose it yet. But if it is, infact, his last WM, then why not end the streak and at least try, and see the crowd response.
I personally do not want to see the end streak...we'll just have to wait and see!
But this WM, I do not believe Taker should lose the streak. There's no reason for him to lose it yet. But if it is, infact, his last WM, then why not end the streak and at least try, and see the crowd response.
I personally do not want to see the end streak...we'll just have to wait and see!
Unrated Superstar
Thufferin' Thuccatash!
I think it's true that Kane could be a good candidate for beating The Undertaker at WM. He really has gotten the short end of the stick when it comes to his relationship with The Undertaker. And aside from that, he's getting nowhere at the moment and I think it's a shame.
How about a fatal four-way match at WM between Mr. Kennedy, Kane, and CM Punk? (kidding)
How about a fatal four-way match at WM between Mr. Kennedy, Kane, and CM Punk? (kidding)
fsunoles89
Dark Match Jobber
yea if undertaker were to lose i'd be pissed
but it was necessary for him to lose, i'd want to it to be either kane or randy orton.
Orton is the future of the business, not batista, orton can actually wrestle, which he showed at WM21 vs taker, while batista is no good and seems to be confused outside of his 3 power moves
And kane would make sense only because of their storyline
it would make sense to have taker's "brother" finally figure him out and defeat him at WM
but it was necessary for him to lose, i'd want to it to be either kane or randy orton.
Orton is the future of the business, not batista, orton can actually wrestle, which he showed at WM21 vs taker, while batista is no good and seems to be confused outside of his 3 power moves
And kane would make sense only because of their storyline
it would make sense to have taker's "brother" finally figure him out and defeat him at WM
i think a huge factor that plays a part in undertakers streak not being defeated is because no mere normal wrestler can beat undertaker at wrestlemania...wrestlemania is where every wrestler on the show gives it his all...its a time where they put more effort and dedication into their match then they have the majority of their year...now..undertaker is portrayed as the main man of the wwe...HE IS AT THE VERY TOP..above the current stars such as hbk, hhh, cena, lashely, kane, above everyone..he is "the phenom"..now i believe the only person that has a possibility what so ever of beating undertaker at wrestlemania is kane...reasons why are because kane is blood...he has similar abilities to that of the undertaker lets not forget that...if this is to be undertakers last wrestlemania he will not lose..i believe he will never lose...its to big of a streak to defeat..the crowd would boo the winner out of the building..UNLESS it is kane....
I say Undertaker should retire WITH the streak. Really, there is no means for anyone to end the streak. Yeah, it will get someone over, but only for a certain amount of time. Eventually, the crowds will get sick of hearing a superstar brag about beating the Undertaker at WrestleMania.
But on to topic about Batista vs. Undertaker. It would be totally kickass for Undertaker to announce that he's taking Batista to hell, then making their match a Hell In A Cell.
But on to topic about Batista vs. Undertaker. It would be totally kickass for Undertaker to announce that he's taking Batista to hell, then making their match a Hell In A Cell.
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Diehard
Guest
I think this is an interesting question: Who is deserving to be the one who ends taker's streak? I don't think it should be Kane. Kane is good and has been around for awhile, but even he would be booed out of the building if he beat Taker at Mania. He just doesn't have that same auroa about him he use to have and has already had two chances to end his streak. I can only think of one man who COULD of done it and thats The Legend Killer. His gimmick was in full swing already taken out so many legends in succession and it looks like the perfect spot to springboard Orton into THE player in the wwe and it just didn't happen. This and other oppourtunities to end this streak properly have come along and they just never happens. The streak has become a beast that is almost bigger than the Taker itself, there is no longer anyone who is credible enough to end that streak now due to the monster it has become.
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marcello
Guest
yeh i also agree batista should never end takers streak he shouldn't even be in the same ring has him. undertaker has done it all and its taken him 14 years to make this streak. so why should a no hoper like batista end the streak?? he has been in the wwe for what like 4 years??? so what i feel if he ends the streak is 14 years down the drain. just let undertaker be champion again!!!!
Moon Knight
Original Prince of Darkness
I don't think Taker should ever loose at Mania. Banes88 is right, it MAY help someone in the short term, but in the long run it would mean nothing. Nobody has proven to deserve to beat taker and nobody has been built up to do it, not Batista for sure. Batista is almost 40 if not 40 and will not be wrestling in 10 years, if you have Taker loose why not Randy Orton or Mr. Kennedy? Somebody that will be around for 10 plus years and build him up to it, a strong storyline where the fans may have an invested interest to see Taker loose? To make it ok the person would have to be a young face and very over, and they would need to build up to it for the whole year, not just a couple of months like Batista. Taker needs to win.
mnvike2002
Occasional Pre-Show
The build up for this is beyond terrible. Batista "turns heel" at no way out. This week on smackdown, fans were cheering him as loud as ever. Batista's a terrible heel(or is he even supposed to be one anymore??) The only heel-ish thing he said was last week when he said he "can't apoligize for what he did at no way out.." Batista doesn't even have a character, he's just basiclly himself and his interviews put people to sleep..It's terrible.
I think it's extremely stupid that in both of the WM main events, both competitors "respect each other" and I think it's really stupid that we have 2 face vs face main events..Terrible terrible booking and build up so far by the WWE.
Anyone think it's possible they make Batista/Taker hell in a cell or have some stipulation? I know Batista said he wanted it in WWE magazine, but that doesn't mean much. But it'd be a great way to make the match more exciting.
I think it's extremely stupid that in both of the WM main events, both competitors "respect each other" and I think it's really stupid that we have 2 face vs face main events..Terrible terrible booking and build up so far by the WWE.
Anyone think it's possible they make Batista/Taker hell in a cell or have some stipulation? I know Batista said he wanted it in WWE magazine, but that doesn't mean much. But it'd be a great way to make the match more exciting.
Deadman741
Benjamin for WWE Champion
hell in the cell would be awesome but at the same time tradition is tradition...unless this was the 2nd to last match so wrestlemania can end with a little wrestling in it,im sorry hbk and cena but ughhhh
mnvike2002
Occasional Pre-Show
Well if wrestlemania wants to end with a little wrestling in it, Batista/Taker is not the way to go, since Batista has about 4 wrestling moves and he can't even do most of them well.
Deadman741
Benjamin for WWE Champion
yeah but cena\hbk wont be alot better...dammit y do all the matches suck!!!!
I am like 95% positive Undertaker is going to win at Wrestlemania. Batista/Taker will prolly have a match at Backlash or Judgement Day. I know Backlash is Raw PPV but they have said both Batista/Taker are supposed to be involved someway so they will probably have a Wrestlemania Rematch. They could also wait for Rey to return and have Rey/Taker GAB or Summerslam because Wrestlezone said Rey is in for a big push.
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Diehard
Guest
Undertaker will win at Mania and then my best guess is a Hell in the Cell match at Judgement Day where Batista will regain the title only as a heel. I know this is something none of us want, but Taker just doesn't like being on the road for an extended period of time anymore since Wrestlemania 21. He'll give us the great moment at Mania, but then he'll be done for a while.
The only way Rey and Taker could feud is if Taker turned heel which probably won't happen. There is a better chance for Batista/Rey at GAB or Summerslam.
The only way Rey and Taker could feud is if Taker turned heel which probably won't happen. There is a better chance for Batista/Rey at GAB or Summerslam.
to_my_surprise
Dark Match Jobber
undertaker will win at mania just not get the title,
