The ShIT Factor
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Antonio Cesaro beat Santino Marella in the Summerslam PPV! Great move IMO. Hopefully, Cesaro can bring prestige back to the title. Give your opinions!
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Antonio Cesaro: New US Champion
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Danger Burger
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Decent match!
Wanted Cesaro to win all along, but once my main man Tino started going I was screaming for him to pull a fast one out of his sock!
Whether you like santino or not... Its the right decision! Great things for Cesaro is all I ask! He wrestles hard, and he acts like a bad man! Good for him.
Also Aksana has never looked better. The things I would do would not suit PG television.
Wanted Cesaro to win all along, but once my main man Tino started going I was screaming for him to pull a fast one out of his sock!
Whether you like santino or not... Its the right decision! Great things for Cesaro is all I ask! He wrestles hard, and he acts like a bad man! Good for him.
Also Aksana has never looked better. The things I would do would not suit PG television.
I hate the whole "maybe this guy can bring prestige back to the title" thing. If there's one thing we learnt from Cody Rhodes' boring IC title run, it's that no one man can "bring prestige" to a title. It's down to the writers to do that. To make sure it appears regularly on television. To make sure it's being fought over. To make sure it's in the minds of the viewers at home. Just because Cesaro isn't a comedy character, there are no guarantees that he'll make the US title more relevant.
GrandSword
Burning Hammaaaaah!!!
Don't like Santino, love Cesaro, very happy with this move by the Empire. It is funny what the E is doing with it's new crop of superstars lately.
Ryback would have taken the US belt in a blink of an eye if he wanted to do and with Sandow squashing Christian the other day, he could as well, but they put Cesaro in that role even though he lost a solid match with Christian. Are these other two moving towards bigger things than the US title.
In any case, Cesaro is a great talent he has obviously worked really hard on his physique to look like a threat to anyone. Can't wait to see how his reign goes, and he needs more mic time...
Ryback would have taken the US belt in a blink of an eye if he wanted to do and with Sandow squashing Christian the other day, he could as well, but they put Cesaro in that role even though he lost a solid match with Christian. Are these other two moving towards bigger things than the US title.
In any case, Cesaro is a great talent he has obviously worked really hard on his physique to look like a threat to anyone. Can't wait to see how his reign goes, and he needs more mic time...
Why Always Me
WWF Champion
I said to a friend while ago a good storyline would be for a European wrestler (heel) to win the US title and rename it the European title, then an American wrestler (face) would win it and it would go back to the US title. They could back and forth until finally there is one match between the two crown to crown the first ever WWE Television champion.
He will have to defend it frequently to bring any prestige back to the title. Why doesn't the WWE make the mid car champions defend their titles more often. If you want any creditably back in the title, a step in the right direction is to have the champion defend them. No, a title defense on Superstars doesn't count. They need to defend them on more Raw, Smackdown and PPVs. A pre-show defense isn't cutting it either.
lil bitch Kid
Getting Noticed By Management
So someone watches Aftermath. Arda talked about how the best thing to do would be have Cesaro win and bring the Euro title back in place of the US. It would bring heat.
As for the adding prestige BS, how does the change from a comedy face to a generic heel add prestige? It doesn't. It's anew face with the title and if he defends it, wins clean and has people chasing him, the title will seem wanted. It's not rocket science. The E crapped on the US title when Del Rio beat Santino weekly and didn't mention winning the US title. The best thing they have done in a while for a mid-card title is Miz vs Rey since it is two guys who have held the big belts trying to win the other titles. Have some umber one contender matches, guys saying they want to win the belts. This will make them important again.
TheLoneCharles
It's Turkey Season
I would love to see Cesaro hold the U.S. Title with such a great disgust for the U.S. because he is Swiss, that he swaps it for the European Title. Let him run with the foreign heel gimmick for awhile and see if he makes a good champion.
I agree with a previous poster, much bigger things are in store for Ryback and Sandow. I see Ryback as a can't miss main eventer at the rate he is going, and Sandow is one of the most complete packages to debut in a long time. I can't wait to see Ryback and Sandow feud: classic brains vs brawn.
I agree with a previous poster, much bigger things are in store for Ryback and Sandow. I see Ryback as a can't miss main eventer at the rate he is going, and Sandow is one of the most complete packages to debut in a long time. I can't wait to see Ryback and Sandow feud: classic brains vs brawn.
Knowing that the Santino-Cesaro Match was the pay-per-view's pre-show, I called Santino retaining. Boy, is there egg on my face.
Although the United States Championship needed to change hands, it didnt need to change hands as soon as Summerslam because it's too soon to give Cesaro a title.
At least this gives me more reason to tune-in to pay-per-view pre-shows since it no longer guarantees that a mid-card title won't change hands.
Although the United States Championship needed to change hands, it didnt need to change hands as soon as Summerslam because it's too soon to give Cesaro a title.
At least this gives me more reason to tune-in to pay-per-view pre-shows since it no longer guarantees that a mid-card title won't change hands.
I like the title change. Nothing against Santino, he was a good champion -- though, his reign lagged on and after a few months, the title began to take a backseat -- but I'd like to see the belt around the waist of some of the new blood. Antonio Cesaro has been quite impressive in his time on the roster -- his experience shines through -- and this is a nice way to see if he's ready to make a true impact, or if he's going to be nothing more than a flash in the pan. Everything about him screams legitimacy and longevity, but this title reign can be a good indicator of how much of a contributor he'll really be in the future.
WWE didn't necessarily follow a traditional path with this title change (booking-wise and the fact that it was on the pre-SummerSlam show), and I can appreciate that. Cesaro beat the champion multiple times en route to winning the belt; he looks very strong. My only worry with all of this is the expectations of the fans. The United States Championship is a lower-midcard belt -- this isn't the belt it used to be, with the likes of John Cena, Big Show, Chris Benoit, and Booker T being champions. The belt will be a way to elevate and test Cesaro, not a way to establish him as a major threat just quite yet.
WWE didn't necessarily follow a traditional path with this title change (booking-wise and the fact that it was on the pre-SummerSlam show), and I can appreciate that. Cesaro beat the champion multiple times en route to winning the belt; he looks very strong. My only worry with all of this is the expectations of the fans. The United States Championship is a lower-midcard belt -- this isn't the belt it used to be, with the likes of John Cena, Big Show, Chris Benoit, and Booker T being champions. The belt will be a way to elevate and test Cesaro, not a way to establish him as a major threat just quite yet.
Will Antonia bring prestige back to the US title. First when did this bootleg title have prestige. I was always a lame title that was given to someone they ( the wwe) think could make a decent run later. Now we give ti to who the fk ever. Because people like Sheamus, Tensai, and other just go straight for the top title.
What does Cesaro bring to the table. I don't speak 5 languages only 3 so I can't tell if he is saying the words correct or not, just like most of the fans. Then you have him come out and say 1 word in 5 languages. Anyone can do that. Cesaro is like a really shitty version of Wolff from TNA. ( that pains me because I hate TNA, but I am starting to come around. I am tired of world champs ALWAYS being a face).
But back to the point. Is Cesaro going to bring prestige to the US title. Is t going to help cesaro. NO..
here is a short list of those who had the title and have gone NO where
Bobby Lashley, MVP, Matt Hardy, Finley, R-Truth, Shelton, Kofi, Orlando Jordan. this list doesn't count the title from it's starting days there are tons more. The title is stupid.
What does Cesaro bring to the table. I don't speak 5 languages only 3 so I can't tell if he is saying the words correct or not, just like most of the fans. Then you have him come out and say 1 word in 5 languages. Anyone can do that. Cesaro is like a really shitty version of Wolff from TNA. ( that pains me because I hate TNA, but I am starting to come around. I am tired of world champs ALWAYS being a face).
But back to the point. Is Cesaro going to bring prestige to the US title. Is t going to help cesaro. NO..
here is a short list of those who had the title and have gone NO where
Bobby Lashley, MVP, Matt Hardy, Finley, R-Truth, Shelton, Kofi, Orlando Jordan. this list doesn't count the title from it's starting days there are tons more. The title is stupid.
MWRedskins
Mid-Card Championship Winner
i hope Cesaro has a great heel run and eventually loses it to an up and comer Mid card US contender. Santino was a good comedy character, but the problem is it's hard to take his matches serious because of it. Cesaro is opposite, and he can heel it up by maybe throwing the tv title in the trash and renaming it the European title. it would get the fans to want and hope for the heel to lose it so it can be the US title again in a story not too different from when Storm won the WCW US title.
Jack-Hammer
YOU WILL RESPECT MY AUTHORITAH!!!!
It was actually a pretty decent match, all things considered. It was better than the usual Santino matches. All in all, it's a great move to put the title on Cesaro. He can't do any worse than Santino did.
To be fair, however, I can't really blame Santino. I know as fans that we all come down hard on the wrestlers sometimes, usually more often than we should. It's not Santino's fault WWE put the belt on him and had him do nothing with it for so long. The guy works his ass off at his gimmick and he's still very over after all this time.
That being said, it was time for a change. Cesaro is someone that could potentially go somewhere and needs the title. Santino isn't going any further than he's gone, not with his current character, so this was the right call.
To be fair, however, I can't really blame Santino. I know as fans that we all come down hard on the wrestlers sometimes, usually more often than we should. It's not Santino's fault WWE put the belt on him and had him do nothing with it for so long. The guy works his ass off at his gimmick and he's still very over after all this time.
That being said, it was time for a change. Cesaro is someone that could potentially go somewhere and needs the title. Santino isn't going any further than he's gone, not with his current character, so this was the right call.
They only took the title of Santino so he could move on to bigger and better things. Like the WWE Championship. I jest. I jest.
In all seriousness, this was likely the best move for the division. They weren't using the belt in Santino's storylines, thus it was an unnecessary accessory for him to haul around. Santino is good enough to stay over with the crowd, and this move will not hurt him in the slightest.
Hopefully Cesaro is given the opportunity to defend the belt much like they've been doing with The Miz thus far on each Pay Per View. While the 3 minutes of Live Performance wasn't as terrible as everyone is making it out to be they could have cut down 30 seconds to a minute off each of the videos before matches, shave out the performance, and from there given Santino/Cesaro time to wrestle on the PPV itself. Wash. Rinse. Repeat.
Every title should be defended at every pay per view. Night of Champions is my favorite pay per view each year outside of Money in the Bank, and WrestleMania because each title is defended. The titles can mean something, if the WWE takes the time to make them mean something.
That being said, I'm looking forward to the future.
In all seriousness, this was likely the best move for the division. They weren't using the belt in Santino's storylines, thus it was an unnecessary accessory for him to haul around. Santino is good enough to stay over with the crowd, and this move will not hurt him in the slightest.
Hopefully Cesaro is given the opportunity to defend the belt much like they've been doing with The Miz thus far on each Pay Per View. While the 3 minutes of Live Performance wasn't as terrible as everyone is making it out to be they could have cut down 30 seconds to a minute off each of the videos before matches, shave out the performance, and from there given Santino/Cesaro time to wrestle on the PPV itself. Wash. Rinse. Repeat.
Every title should be defended at every pay per view. Night of Champions is my favorite pay per view each year outside of Money in the Bank, and WrestleMania because each title is defended. The titles can mean something, if the WWE takes the time to make them mean something.
That being said, I'm looking forward to the future.
Richard Blonoff
Make America Rassle Again
Uh, no it doesn't. All it means is that a comedy character no longer holds the title. The prestige of a title doesn't go up or down just because of a title change. Prestige is directly linked to the profile of the feuds it is involved in. Zack Gowen could be US Champ and as long as they put it in good story lines it would be prestigious, just like John Cena could win the title and then never defend it and it isn't prestigious.
Personally I think it was too soon to put the title on Cesaro. I think that you should put the title on a guy who is over, not put the title on a guy to get him over. That aside I just want the belt to be on TV more often than not and be defended more than three or four times in a five month reign.
yellowdog22
Dark Match Winner
They need a pure split between RAW and Smackdown.
RAW being the traditional WWF (IC, World, Tag)
Smackdown (World, US, Tag)
Get rid of the Diva Championship all together. Use them as backstage interviewers, valets, mixed tag matches. We don't need to see them wrestle in matches on the regular.
I'm also of the opinion that the US should be changed to a TV Title defended weekly with a 15 Minute Time Limit ala old WCW TV Title. I loved William Regal's reign where he'd just be counting down the seconds till a draw.
When was the last time there was a time limit draw in WWE?
NARROW THE FOCUS - make the belts mean more. When there's 6 belts floating around and your roster size is 36... That's a shite way to do business. Now if they are separate shows and they build to a PPV like BRAGGING RIGHTS (maybe it won't mean much this year but you keep people apart for 2-3 years) and those shows like Bragging Rights or as I'd like to see it be called "BATTLE OF THE BRANDS" would be awesome.
Limit the super shows. Limit the interaction of the two companies. Give each a strong figurehead and let trades happen throughout the year. Maybe a rookie draft following WM. There's another special TV show that could be run on the ill-fated WWE Network.
RAW being the traditional WWF (IC, World, Tag)
Smackdown (World, US, Tag)
Get rid of the Diva Championship all together. Use them as backstage interviewers, valets, mixed tag matches. We don't need to see them wrestle in matches on the regular.
I'm also of the opinion that the US should be changed to a TV Title defended weekly with a 15 Minute Time Limit ala old WCW TV Title. I loved William Regal's reign where he'd just be counting down the seconds till a draw.
When was the last time there was a time limit draw in WWE?
NARROW THE FOCUS - make the belts mean more. When there's 6 belts floating around and your roster size is 36... That's a shite way to do business. Now if they are separate shows and they build to a PPV like BRAGGING RIGHTS (maybe it won't mean much this year but you keep people apart for 2-3 years) and those shows like Bragging Rights or as I'd like to see it be called "BATTLE OF THE BRANDS" would be awesome.
Limit the super shows. Limit the interaction of the two companies. Give each a strong figurehead and let trades happen throughout the year. Maybe a rookie draft following WM. There's another special TV show that could be run on the ill-fated WWE Network.
I'm glad that Cesaro won it. To me, a belt doesn't do much to enhance a comedy guy like Santino. Maybe now we can get a legitimate feud for the belt going.
I wish Cesaro had a different finisher. That leg cradle Styles Clash is lame as hell. Where's the Riccola Bomb?
I wish Cesaro had a different finisher. That leg cradle Styles Clash is lame as hell. Where's the Riccola Bomb?
MINISTRYrising
Championship Contender
to be fair you could have had santino drop the belt to anybody in wwe and i would have been fine with it. Santino should have dropped the belt long before know as he was doing a lot of damage to the credibility of the title.
You have a good point. If Ryback can attempt to execute a powerbomb that can nearly kill somebody, then someone like Cesaro - who has the strength and experience to properly execute it - should be able to as well.
Anyways, this title change may be a little more significant than people think it is, but it's still an indicator of how far it's prestige has fallen.
The good news for Cesaro is that he became the first Superstar to force a title change via a social media broadcast. With how much they've been shoving it down our throats, social media is very important to WWE, so that says a lot about Cesaro that they'd bestow him the honor of becoming a champion on this platform.
Then again, I can't think of any other titles except the Tag or the Divas title where WWE would allow them to change hands anywhere except for TV.
Santino won't be hurt at all by the loss since he'll always have a place in WWE as comic relief, and Antonio is officially being given a serious look by WWE.
I don't believe it's too soon for Cesaro to be champion. He's done more than enough to pay his dues outside of WWE to be trusted with their least sought after gold. The fact alone that he has more experience than half of the main roster is good enough to be worthy of it.
Where Cesaro will go from here? Hopefully the only way for him to go is up. I'm still anxiously awaiting for when WWE pulls the trigger on Sheamus vs. Cesaro (believe me, I have a knack for these things. I've wanted Jericho vs. Ziggler to happen since 2010. lol) but that more than likely won't happen until a couple months pass. Mysterio and Sin Cara are bored (my way of saying open for a new storyline) so a triple threat between the three could be pretty cool. Getting his win back against Christian is needed as well. Kane would be enjoyable to watch since Cesaro hasn't exactly faced a legitimate big man yet (sorry Khali). I'll leave the speculation of the US title being replaced alone for now.
So, yeah, I'm very glad to see Cesaro holding gold. It's another point for the good guys!
I am no Santino mark but he is way more over than Cesaro so putting the title on a lesser superstar brings it more prestige....HOW? Because he was in ROH? LOL
For what it is worth, putting the IC Title on The Miz brings that more prestige. We dont need to real off the Miz's accolades.
I dont mind cesaro, lets hope he gets involved in a decent mid card fued for the title and lets see more of the lovely Aksana please.
For what it is worth, putting the IC Title on The Miz brings that more prestige. We dont need to real off the Miz's accolades.
I dont mind cesaro, lets hope he gets involved in a decent mid card fued for the title and lets see more of the lovely Aksana please.
^ This echos my sentiments.
It does not matter who holds the title, what makes it seem prestigious is seeing the title holder on TV, seeing him TALK ABOUT beting champion, seeing other Superstars talk and have matches for contending for the championship.
None of that really happened during Santino's run as champion, none of that happened during Swagger's short run as champion either.
Santino is one of the most popular characters in WWE and even though he got exposure on TV his title never really meant anything because there was no feuds for it.
As a bit of a side note, in this time of WWE having more and more supershows so Superstars are less and less defined by their brand I would like to see them merge the WHC with the WWE Championship in a year but during that same time span build up the prestige of the IC title (doing the same things as mentioned above) and making the IC title something that seems very prestigious and then they can still have SmackDown world tours or whatever and have an IC title match as the main event and people will feel it is worth watching because it will be clearly the second most important title in the company.
Back on track... as for Cesaro... I have seen nothing from him that makes me even remotley interested in him. The faster he loses the title the better... but sadly, I fear it won't be quick.
Santino is way more over than Cesaro, which is exactly why Cesaro needs the belt more. Santino was at his peak in the Elimination Chamber match, when the crowd marked out for him like he was a 10-year main eventer. He's best in the underdog role and it doesn't matter how little value the belt has, putting a belt on him negates that role. He still gets pops, but if you haven't noticed the clear decline in them as the weeks go on, you might need to clean out your ears.
Putting the strap on Cesaro is a great risk/reward move, in that there is no risk. If he doesn't turn into a commodity, no damage is done to anyone. They can just move the belt onto the next guy. But this is exactly what low-to-midcard level straps are for: getting low-to-midcard guys a boost. Cesaro will bring a sense of legitimacy to the title, even if he doesn't return it to the prestige of WCW's glory days (which is more the job of creative than any one wrestler anyway).
Putting the strap on Cesaro is a great risk/reward move, in that there is no risk. If he doesn't turn into a commodity, no damage is done to anyone. They can just move the belt onto the next guy. But this is exactly what low-to-midcard level straps are for: getting low-to-midcard guys a boost. Cesaro will bring a sense of legitimacy to the title, even if he doesn't return it to the prestige of WCW's glory days (which is more the job of creative than any one wrestler anyway).