An idea for the U.S. Title

[CelticCorey]

If somebody has posted this already, I apologize to the user and all because if this is an unoriginal idea, then my bad. But I was just thinking of a way to make the U.S. Title more interesting.

Jack Swagger instantly became one of my favorite wrestlers the first time I laid eyes on him. I knew he was a special talent in that squared circle and he wowed me everytime. I really wanted to see him as champ. Sure enough, I did and he did entertain in the ring and was good enough to entertain me on the mic. His skills weren't the greatest but the content of his promos as the full of himself champion was amazing. Some called it a failed experiment by WWE. There is some to pass the blame around. Apparently Swagger acted all boasting when he became champ so part of it is his fault but WWE did him no favors apart from retaining in a triple threat match on S.D. and against Orton at Extreme Rules even though he was RKO'ed right after the match.

Turn this man face. Really incorporate the All American American gimmick and give this man the U.S. title. Give him freedom on his character in being patriotic and all. I know Cena can be patriotic too but that's besides the point. Have him really get into it as the crowd really appreciates that kind of stuff.

But besides just that- have a running storyline. It cannot last forever and I would suggest this to last a year at the absolute most: The foreign wrestlers outside of Kofi on the RAW roster have a common goal: get that U.S. title. If Del Rio does not become WWE champion in the near future, Drew McIntyre, Mason Ryan when he returns, Primo and Vladimir Kozlov all are heels though they don't see eye to eye, they want to make it known their disdain for America and they want to take over America by becoming their champion.

Since all of these are foreign born and would have them as heels, it would be good against the sympathetic babyface. Have Swagger retain but make sure he makes the heels look good in the process as well. Also give the heels the freedom to do whatever they want within the P.G. guidelines that shows their hatred of America and how badly they want to take that belt from somebody who so dearly loves their country.

I know we have the American face vs. the Foreign heel many times; but in my opinion the last time the U.S. belt felt like it meant something was two or three months into Daniel Bryan's reign. The way it has been tossed around like a prop, why not? I don't see anything better being done with it and might make it seem more credible and important.

Just my thought though.

Also, edit: If Swagger EVER is put back into the main event scene, I don't see a better way to elevate him.

 

[OHHuDIDNTno]

Actually you know this is a great Idea, even though i really can't stand Swagger on the mic he does some skill on the mic but him being a face can do wonders for him and I do like the whole angle with everyone gunning for the US title, would make since, since the world may be at war again one day soon...

 

[NotoriousWWE]

Nice idea. Swagger suits being the U.S Champion and really needs something or someone to help boost his career. This title could be it and your idea would work nicely. However, you have to put into consideration that this would mean just having one face champion with a whole herd of heels chasing after the title. That never works usually and I have never really seen it executed well. Something that could help your idea would to be the IC and US champions feuding each PPV. The IC title scene can be dominated by foreign superstars such as Jinder Mahal, Wade Barrett and Big Zeke whilst US of course dominated by US, Swagger, Bourne and Riley. That's the only way it would work for me. Nice idea however.

 

[NotoriousMEAT]

I've been dying for Swagger to get the U.S. strap, as well as turn face. I think he can be huge for the company. I hate to make the generic comparison, cuz I don't think he's as good as Kurt Angle.. but I think he can be as popular. If he's not face by the time the 2012 Olympics come around, then I have no faith in creative. That's just too easy. But yeah I had the idea when trying to come up with a potential card for WrestleMania 28. Imagine a proud patriotic Swagger defending the US title against all challenges. Alberto Del Rio, frustrated at his many failed attempts of becoming World Champion decides to take his own. He wants to take the U.S. title and rebrand it the Mexican Heavyweight Championship. A submission match to end this feud at WrestleMania could be amazing!

 

[NS_PUNK]

you are right it pisses me of that the us title and intercontinental title have no importance and the tag titles aswell it really is pissing me of i remember when theese titles where really important know they are just shit all it is the heavyweight titles that mean something when i see a event know i dont even look forward to seeing a us or inter title or even tag title defence i dont know why they are doing this the greats have held all them titles at one point i remember when a tag title defence got match of the year 2 years in a row by pwi wich offcourse was the tlc match and they both where at wrestlemania and dont get me started on the divas title wich is pure and utter 100% shitit just looks disgusting and its just a fucking joke they need to make these titles important again and have dominate champions with long reigns than handing them out to people like biscuits and check this none of them titles are getting defended today fair enough it is mitb but they could of sqeezed in the us title tag title or inter title at least they got a bullshit divas match big show vs mark henry theres to matches i could do without and slot in to good title defences

 

[Patrick Bateman]

I agree with the fact that Swagger is a good performer. I thought his title reign was decent for a first time champion, and could have been more if Swagger was given more of a chance to succeed as champion.

I think its fair to say that he's kinda lost at this point in his career. Something needs to happen for him to have a chance. I think a face turn would make total sense at this point. We've seen him as a heel. Why not see what kinda face reaction he gets? I totally thought that's what was gonna happen when he was with Cole and Cole slapped him. It was the perfect opportunity for it. Everyone hated Cole with a passion at that time. Swagger putting a beatdown on him woulda done wonders for a Swagger face turn. But- nope...didnt happen.

As for him capturing the US title and making a long run with it- I agree. I think it's something that could really get the fans behind him. The all-american wanting to represent his country. Maybe even have him talk about wanting to make an olympic run himself. Then before the olympics happen- you just run some kinda injury angle, that takes him out of olympic contention. Then Jack comes back sometime later, apoligizing to fans for letting them down. But he's going to make it up to them by winning the WWE or World championship. Bam- Swaggers a main event face.

 

[The Rich]

I hope the WWE do something withSwagger, maybe turn him face, have him be the US Champion, hell, use him as a comedy character for all i care, he has great in ring talent.

Maybe let him start a stable that could represent the WWE all over the world at house shows.

They could call it WWE Universal (Jack Swagger, Sheamus, Santino Marella, Vladimir Kozlov, Primo, Kofi Kingston, Tyson Kidd, Drew McIntyre etc)

Stables are always great ways to get mid-carders over.

 

[xoxo French Kiss xoxo]

Heres a thought for the US Title, have it defended on every monthly PPV so the person holding it has a chance to display their talents. Yes I know MITB had some big matches on the Card, but the two middle card Champs aren't in either MITB match, and they don't have a match of their own on the card.

As for Swagger, he could have been 3rd or 4th face on Raw if the would have had him turn on Cole during the whole Cole/Lawler storyline. At this point I'm surprised he still has a job.

 

[K-Fizz]

My hope for the US Title is that it would be used as WCW used it. Winner of the US Title automatically got a WHC title shot on either Nitro or the PPV. Remember when Goldberg beat Hogan in the Georgia Dome on Nitro? He was holding up both belts...

 

[Dagger Dias]

If ever there were a creative way to turn Swagger face this would be it. He calls hinself the all american american, so him as US Champion would be a good route. I have mentioned that in other threads before. He is better suited as a heel though because he can still be "the all american american United States Champion champion" without being face. Having him be patriotic and face foreign heels might not work because today's fans might find it cheesy. Just because it worked for Hogan doesn't mean it will work for anyone. Swagger as US Champion is an idea I support but he should remain a heel.

 

[CelticCorey]

You're not sure if it's going to work but I know for a fact it won't work if it isn't TRIED. I don't see how the crowd would find it cheesy. I would like to think they are patriotic enough and this gives Swagger sympathy and overness as a face. I think it's a good storyline especially considering how a great deal of the world hates the United States anyway. Make the U.S. title feel important and this was the first thing that jumped out.

I mean if you say it might be cheesy or it might not work, that's no attitude to have because you don't know what could work and chances need to be taken.

 

[briancostello]

Here is an idea for the US Title...GET RID OF IT!

Use the Intercontinental title and make that title mean something. Personally I would like to see the Hardcore title back, but that will not happen.

 

[xoxo French Kiss xoxo]

Here is an idea for the US Title...GET RID OF IT!

Use the Intercontinental title and make that title mean something. Personally I would like to see the Hardcore title back, but that will not happen.

NO NO NO NO FUCKING NO. Why would you bring back a POS title like the Hardcore Title and Drop the US Title? The US Title has a longer history than the Hardcore Title. The Hardcore Title was also dropped because "Hard Core" wrestling fans are fucking idiots.

The US Title needs the proper group of people to build it up again.
Ziggler is a great middle card champ who's waiting for a chance to step into the main event, and steal the whole damned show.
Swagger is a former WHC, who was pushed to the main event too soon and needs some more credible matches and feuds in the middle card to become a main event player again.
Kingston has no where else to go but the middle card so he's perfect to sit in the position of US Champ for a long term.
McIntryre ain't doing anything else so he could perfectly back in to the middle card title shuffle.
Ryder is waiting to be pushed, why not set a Face Ryder up against a Hell Ziggler?
Masters hes not great, hes not horrible, hes blah but people love him he could be a credible threat to the US Title for a champion
Reks the same as masters, he's got a great look, but lacks the charisma that would carry him to the next level, but he would make a credible threat to the US title.
JTG the crowd pops for him, and he's actually not bad in the ring, his mic work isn't the best but with a manager he could do well. Why not attach him as a wing man to Henry to help him get over?
Hawkins is a former World Tag Team Champ, and had a decent run with Lance Hoyte aka Vance Archer and could be an interesting addition to the US title scene even if its to be squashed.
Otunga needs to drop everything Nexus and become his own person, hes got the size, the look, the mic skills and the Charisma. Otunga could have been a breakout star las year but the WWE dropped the ball. A good US title run with good feuds and matches could make Otunga a credible Champion, as well as a credible person in the WWE.

There's plenty of room to improve this division, the WWE just isn't trying hard enough

 

[briancostello]

NO NO NO NO FUCKING NO. Why would you bring back a POS title like the Hardcore Title and Drop the US Title? The US Title has a longer history than the Hardcore Title. The Hardcore Title was also dropped because "Hard Core" wrestling fans are fucking idiots.

The US Title needs the proper group of people to build it up again.
Ziggler is a great middle card champ who's waiting for a chance to step into the main event, and steal the whole damned show.
Swagger is a former WHC, who was pushed to the main event too soon and needs some more credible matches and feuds in the middle card to become a main event player again.
Kingston has no where else to go but the middle card so he's perfect to sit in the position of US Champ for a long term.
McIntryre ain't doing anything else so he could perfectly back in to the middle card title shuffle.
Ryder is waiting to be pushed, why not set a Face Ryder up against a Hell Ziggler?
Masters hes not great, hes not horrible, hes blah but people love him he could be a credible threat to the US Title for a champion
Reks the same as masters, he's got a great look, but lacks the charisma that would carry him to the next level, but he would make a credible threat to the US title.
JTG the crowd pops for him, and he's actually not bad in the ring, his mic work isn't the best but with a manager he could do well. Why not attach him as a wing man to Henry to help him get over?
Hawkins is a former World Tag Team Champ, and had a decent run with Lance Hoyte aka Vance Archer and could be an interesting addition to the US title scene even if its to be squashed.
Otunga needs to drop everything Nexus and become his own person, hes got the size, the look, the mic skills and the Charisma. Otunga could have been a breakout star las year but the WWE dropped the ball. A good US title run with good feuds and matches could make Otunga a credible Champion, as well as a credible person in the WWE.

There's plenty of room to improve this division, the WWE just isn't trying hard enough

I said get rid of the US title to make the IC title mean more...The IC title and US title have truly become meaningless using the same part of the roster. The IC title was WWF/WWE, so I think they should keep that title instead of the US title. I know the US Title was a WCW thing for quite a while, but personally, I grew up watching WWF when Macho Man and Steamboat had their hands on the IC strap. The WWE should worry more about their history than the history of all the other companies they bought out.

Actually, I think they should get rid of the Heavyweight Championship too...only have the WWE Title, IC Title and Tag Team Title. They could then work on beefing up the Tag division with actual tag teams like they had in the 80's. The Tag Title meant something then. Some great matches happened and it meant something to have the tag titles...Hell...I don't even know who has the tag titles right now.

Also...I am a hardcore wrestling fan...sorry if you think I am an idiot. I liked the ECW in the 90's and went to many of their house shows. I thought it was entertaining and always went away with something to talk about. I do believe that I am far from an idiot though. Bringing back the hardcore title would add some different matches. AGAIN...They will not do this...it doesn't bother me, it would just be nice to see an actual street fight (like orton vs kane) where more than a chair and the ring steps are being used. I know...I know...it is a family show.

 

[rvdiswhatsforme]

The reason why the US title and the Intercontinental title mean nothing right now is because they are not defended on the big shows. They used to be a stepping stone to the heavyweight titles and were used to make stars. I'd like to see Ziggler get into a feud with someone like Dm not Kofi. Maybe finally use Zack Ryders popularity and try to get him over. Then on Smackdown why not put the belt on Cody Rhodes let him use his skills to get the belt over.

 

[xoxo French Kiss xoxo]

I said get rid of the US title to make the IC title mean more...The IC title and US title have truly become meaningless using the same part of the roster. The IC title was WWF/WWE, so I think they should keep that title instead of the US title. I know the US Title was a WCW thing for quite a while, but personally, I grew up watching WWF when Macho Man and Steamboat had their hands on the IC strap. The WWE should worry more about their history than the history of all the other companies they bought out.

Actually, I think they should get rid of the Heavyweight Championship too...only have the WWE Title, IC Title and Tag Team Title. They could then work on beefing up the Tag division with actual tag teams like they had in the 80's. The Tag Title meant something then. Some great matches happened and it meant something to have the tag titles...Hell...I don't even know who has the tag titles right now.

Also...I am a hardcore wrestling fan...sorry if you think I am an idiot. I liked the ECW in the 90's and went to many of their house shows. I thought it was entertaining and always went away with something to talk about. I do believe that I am far from an idiot though. Bringing back the hardcore title would add some different matches. AGAIN...They will not do this...it doesn't bother me, it would just be nice to see an actual street fight (like orton vs kane) where more than a chair and the ring steps are being used. I know...I know...it is a family show.

Check my original post in this thread about the US and IC title needing to be put on the card at PPVs and defended weekly on TV. As long as theres a brand split you will continue to see the WWE, WHC, US, and IC title. They need a main event champ, and a middle card champ on both shows.

Tag wrestling in the WWE is dead, has been for years but don't get me wrong it could be fixed, if anyone in back in the WWE gave a shit about tag teams. It takes a second to remember who the tag champs are, because they are rarely featured on either show. Tag team matches usually involve the two biggest heels and two biggest faces that are feuding headed into the next PPV, rather than actual tag teams looking to seek and retain the tag titles. By having the titles defended on each show, I would think you'd see more tag action involving the tag champs and other teams, but again someones dropped the ball big time with this whole division.

Oh yeah and the WWE is PG. Orton vs Kane featured a kendo stick, the announcement table, the stairs, and a chair. That was plenty good for a street fight. Kane and Orton told a great story, and put on a surprisingly good match with each other. Theres no need for extreme violence to sell these matches if the wrestlers are good, they can make the match good.

Also this past Friday we saw Christian the WHC vs Jackson the IC champion, GREAT IDEA, and it was also a decent match. It help Christian stay on top as a heel, and gave Jackson a good rub as a face vs super heel Christian.

As for the Hardcore title bringing different matches to TV, why on earth would you give away gimmick matches that sell PPVs on a weekly basis when you can get people to buy them? The occasional gimmick match is good, but having one every week on both shows is bad for long term business, it puts the wrestlers involved at a higher risk of injury, and the matches loose their WOW factor when they happens to often.

 

[Theo Mays]

Why fix the United States championship with Jack Swagger when you can fix it with the current champ in Dolph Ziggler. I see a lot more potential in Ziggler than I do Swagger. I like Swagger and all, but I think Dolph just screams superstar. He is better than Swagger on the mic, one of the better in ring performers, and he just has that unique look. Plus he has a heat magnet with Vickie Guerrero so turning him face could be easily done or even just keep him heel and let him showcase his skills with the championship. When Ziggler was IC champ, it was an excellent run. Definitely one of the better runs of recent times and I think he can do that with the US title this time around.

As for the Swagger idea, I think it could work. The whole patriotic thing seems outdated and would have better suited him in the late 80s-90s with the likes of Jim Duggan and Hulk Hogan. To really get this to work they'd need someone (a Middle Easterner) to really pull off a great US vs. The World type deal. It would really bring out the patriotism and really step Swagger up a notch honestly. Pretty much reenact the Hogan/Slaughter program from Desert Storm. Not sure how well it would execute with other Anti-Americans as we don't have a history with the likes of Scotland, Mexico, Puerto Rico, etc... that we do with the Middle East.