Well, you just contributed to get this stupid thread even bigger, which in my eyes is good, I just wanted people to comment... and no, this is not just a "lets bash TNA for the sake of it", or at least from me it was not meant to be... I'm not a regular TNA follower, I just find TNA too heavy in promos but that was not part of the discussion.
A logical objection. Personally I prefer their system to the WWE's refusal to allow midcard talent any reasonable stick time, but like you say, that's a separate discussion.
Now on the other side I would like to answer some of your sentences...
Good. That's what I'm here for.
WRONG! Everything in wrestling is "for" something... every single promo, vignette, gimmick, title (even if it's a stupid belt-shaped metal prop), match... everything is suposed to have a meaning... there is why you have "angles" and "storylines"... sometimes the outcome is just stupid, but that does not mean that the action wasn't suposed to have a meaning...
You have angles and story lines because otherwise it is impossible to run monthly pay per views with the same list of guys, doing a pretend sport. UFC would fall flat if it tired to maintain a wrestling schedule with such a limited roster. The stories in wrestling are much like the plots in opera; just there to fill time until the next song.
Lets not kid ourselves, there's no intelligence or depth behind a wrestling storyline. People looking for that will watch Lost or 24. The stories are "just" a tool to facilitate the wrestling.
I repeat, I'm not a TNA regular fan, and I just wanted to know if anyone found more logic on this short title reign, as there are a lot of people thinking than TNA booking and storylines are way better than WWE's current... I find them pair to say the least... Maybe I expected some TNA expert (as you seem to be) to say something more interesting like "well because the angle will move in a Foley vs. MEM storyline and foley will recruit some Ex-ECW wrestlers and all of them will have an electrified cage match at lockdown (that's the name of a TNA PPV right?)"
Sorry, if that's your idea of an intelligent post then you'll be disappointed with what I produce. I don't go in for ignorant speculation much, I just apply knowledge and logic to a situation. Generally goes down pretty well.
Which you should have done if you didn't like this thread... just ignore it...
Up until this point I was going to give you some green rep as a reward for serving as an intellectual exercise, but unfortunately I've just placed you as one of those people who throws a suck when somebody disagrees with you. I have no problem with the thread, it just happens to be stupid. If all you want is people bouncing up and down saying "great thread" then somewhere else might be your best bet.
I never said it was boring... hell I'm pretty sure I said Mick Foley is funny AND entertaining... on the other hand, how is it that dropping the title to Angle, who was TNA Champ not more than 6-8 months ago is "fresh"?
See this is what I just don't get. Mick Foley is funny and entertaining, why
not have him as champion? The purpose of the show is to entertain us enough that we buy the pay per view.
An easy one... just check the last 2 returns of John Cena to Raw... it increased HALF A POINT of Nielsen ratings in both cases compared to the previous week... HALF A FUCKING POINT! I know that Cena is the biggest draw in WWE and can't be compared with a guy whose better years where like 9 years ago... but it happens, and for sure it did not happen with Foley...
Capitalisation and vulgarity. Both very valid debating tools; however you have to be able to back them up, otherwise you look like a tool.
John Cena made a surprise injury return at the 08 Royal Rumble, and the next nights Raw did indeed go up by 0.4
However; next weeks Raw wend down by 0.3, and the week after that it dropped to bellow the point at which Cena returned.
Not only that, but if you actually look at the ratings, you'll see that equal fluctuations happened no fewer than NINE times during 2007. That's not far off of 20% of shows showing a fluctuation of 0.4 or higher.
Cena's return marked a change in the product and as such, had it affected the ratings, it would have provided a sustained increase. Which it did not. A one week fluctuation is more likely to come off of something like "is there a good football match on another channel", "are people tuning in to see who won the royal rumble" (you have to go back to 2003 to find an occasion where ratings didn't pop following the Rumble) and most importantly "luck".
Maybe you can update me in that concept, because the last time I checked it was when the audience care about the wrestler... Foley draws without a doubt, and if I had a wrestling promotion I maybe using him in main events... but then again... that was never part of the discussion...
Also, if names mean less and less so please explain me how is it possible to sell a ton of Jeff Hardy or Undertaker t-shirts, and nobody cares about I don't know, a t-shirt that has the face of SHANE DOUGLAS in it?
Because merchandise is completely separate to TV ratings? Ray Mysterio sells a phenomenal amount of merchandise, but you wont see WWE building the show around him these days.
I really don't think you understand the point of the show. If you concede that Foley draws, and that he's entertaining, and that he should be in the main event, then why the hell do you have an issue with him being champion. Perhaps if you worked on articulating your objection a little better I would be able to explain it to you, but right now I'm seriously struggling to see what on earth your complaining about.
That's why I don't regulary watch TNA or post in threads I don't care about... I just got the last 2 impacts and had the opportunity to watch the last PPV so I did it... and it was fun and stuff, they have a somehow different of booking from what I'm used to see (WWE), and as I said, expected a bit more of a "knowledge sharing" from TNA fans in these forums...
TNA uses almost exactly the same strategy as WWE. Then try to put on entertaining TV shows to get people to buy even more entertaining pay per views. That's it. I think you think that there's some greater logic behind it, but there isn't. Entertain the viewer. Sell the pay per view. That's it. It's not like 24 or Dexter which constantly build to a conclusion. Professional wrestling is an infinite loop, going over and over and over again.
And just quoting someone "NO SHIT SHERLOCK"
Lame.
Then again, nor Angle or Jarret need the rub... they are already considered big TNA stars, and Angle even bigger... adding someone else to be put over with the help of this 3, while all of them being in a feud over the title plus control of the company, with someone that doesn't have anything to do in this feud sound a bit complex to me...
Err... what?
So this means he will continue in a regular wrestling role and the announcer are going to say "ohhh Matt Morgan just beat Foley, who by the way is a former TNA champion" I just don't find the difference between doing that now than doing it las sunday when he had the title on his hands...
Read your own thread. Look out for the people yapping about how Foley is a former commentator and how terrible it is that he's in the main event given how washed up he is. Do you think if he came straight in and started putting people over, you wouldn't have twice as many people going "So Matt Morgan beat Foley. Everyone beats Foley".
Secondly, TNA got quite a pop out of bringing Foley in. People
wanted to see him in the main event. If he'd come in and jobbed to a bunch of young guys, could they then have packaged him as credible opposition to Sting, Angle and the like. If you look back to Booker T, when he joined TNA he was pushed straight into an extended feud with Robert Roode, and the result was a swift loss of all the momentum he came into the company with.
Foley can make a young guy look good at any point, but he can't job to a rookie one month, then main event the next. Get what mileage out of him you can in the main event (which is what his championship reign was "for") and then let him push someone if someone needs pushing.
Which is another point. Who should Foley be pushing. AJ and Joe are already in the main event. Morgan has a program. Supermex is out injured. Who else is there? You don't push someone to the main event for the sake of it. That's not you to run an effective program. You push somebody in the main event when you
need someone fresh in the main event. Now Angle still has a few programs that he can work, as do Jarret, Foley and potentially Lashley. Right now there's not much space at the top, so why waste it?
You are free to have an opinion and red rep if you want, and if that makes you happy, good for me... the truth is that I have yet to read a post from someone that thinks it was wise to place the title in Foley and then having Kurt Angle taking it from him... and explains why this is the best option TNA can run with...
that and... Thanks for the flaming anyways!
My god, you're actually sulking. This is a forum to debate wrestling. People will disagree with your posts. Debate back if you don't like it, don't whine at them.
