A Stereotype Even I Think Is Offensive

[PBA_Sensation]

I need to know the culture? I live in Gary, Indiana. Sure, its no Harlem or Compton. Its not just where The Jackson's were born, its one of the top crime cities in the united states. Projects everywhere. I know the culture. I never said that everyone from the hood is like them, I meant they are a stereotype of the "hood culture" that everyone sees portrayed. Im sure not everyone is like Ice Cube in all of his hood movies, but Cryme Tyme is

 

[evilshizno]

i agree with y 2 jake about kofi kingston, i was actually just thinking that monday night during raw that they need to change his gimmick to some kind of pissed off jamaican militant dude that would be cool. and when it comes to crime tyme i wouldnt be too worried about being offended by them much longer.....shad wont make it with the "E" passed 2009 because he sucks quite frankly and jtg's persona wont get over by himself without turning heel. And im sorry but ron killings is an amazing wrestler but he's been stale since the 3livekru,and i dont see him making it out of 2009 either.Other than that all i can say is dont take things so personally if the "E" does stupid steriotypical shit like they always do they are "trying" to entertain us..not doing a bang up job like they used to but they are trying lol

 

[PBA_Sensation]

Its people who get offended that ruin the product. Its made to be entertaining and thats it. If we are all familiar with stereotypes, then why not use them. Shit, its ok for comedians to use stereotypes and we laugh our asses off, but man, if Vince McMahon wants to throw a guy who pretends to be Italian out there to get some laughs, everyone is up in arms over it. The only negative stereotype that has really been out there was Muhammed Hassan. It served its purpose. All the other ones are meant to entertain, not offend....Hassan was the exception. Only thing close to that was the NoD

Stereotypes are there because a majority of whatever it is tends to be that way. White people tend to be more "educated and nerdy". Black people like fried chicken. Asians all do kung-fu, mexicans like tacos and corona, italians talk funny. So if we know the stereotype and see it actually happening, its kinda funny. We cant always rely on irony to be entertaining. PG-13 (old I know) was not entertaining, and they were white rappers. Jimmy Wang Yang is not entertaining being an asian cowboy, but bygod is Kung Fu Naki funny, and what is he? A STEREOTYPE.

Most jokes told by George Lopez, Dave Chappelle, and Kat Williams are all stereotypes and I bet you all think they are funny. I do too.

 

[Thumz9814]

Keep in mind the people who are portraying these black steryotypes...are black themselves!!! Clearly JTG, Shad, Kofi, and R-Truth don't seem to have a problem protraying the stereotypes, so why should anyone else? It makes no sence to me. They're not being forced to play these characters, and i'm sure if they had a problem with it, they could talk to Vince and he would work with them to get another, less racist gimmik going (ok, there might have been a slight bit of sarcasm in that, but moving on...) Also, what are stereotypes really? They're traits about ethnic groups of people which are either proven facts, obviously untrue, or shared with other ethnic groups. Black people like fried chicken and watermellons...guess what-SO DOES EVERYONE ELSE!!!

Who gives a damn about stereotypes? It's pointless banter that isn't even used to insult people anymore. If stereotypes were so insulting and offensive, then why would so many stand-up comedians now-adays use them as a base for all their jokes?

Stereotypes are not (r at least, no longer) meant to be racist. It's something that is typically used in comedic situations to make people smile and laugh. Laugh. LAUGH PEOPLE! ENJOY LIFE! AND STOP WORRYING ABOUT POINTLESS BULLSHIT!

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm off to play World of Warcraft and listen to Vanilla Ice.

 

[Dre Guevara]

that's my main hangup with Cryme Tyme, every week they get in the ring & lose 2 cats they should be beating.
as a member of the 5% Nation of Gods & Earths, I see that name "R Truth", when broken down, meaning "Righteous Truth"

 

[The Instant Classic91]

Keep in mind the people who are portraying these black steryotypes...are black themselves!!! Clearly JTG, Shad, Kofi, and R-Truth don't seem to have a problem protraying the stereotypes, so why should anyone else? It makes no sence to me. They're not being forced to play these characters, and i'm sure if they had a problem with it, they could talk to Vince and he would work with them to get another, less racist gimmik going (ok, there might have been a slight bit of sarcasm in that, but moving on...) Also, what are stereotypes really? They're traits about ethnic groups of people which are either proven facts, obviously untrue, or shared with other ethnic groups. Black people like fried chicken and watermellons...guess what-SO DOES EVERYONE ELSE!!!

Who gives a damn about stereotypes? It's pointless banter that isn't even used to insult people anymore. If stereotypes were so insulting and offensive, then why would so many stand-up comedians now-adays use them as a base for all their jokes?

Stereotypes are not (r at least, no longer) meant to be racist. It's something that is typically used in comedic situations to make people smile and laugh. Laugh. LAUGH PEOPLE! ENJOY LIFE! AND STOP WORRYING ABOUT POINTLESS BULLSHIT!

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm off to play World of Warcraft and listen to Vanilla Ice.

Thats a ridiculous arguement, how do you know R-truth, cryme tyme, or anybody else are happy with they're gimmick? Do you know them?

For example do you think the spirit squad wanted to be a group of male cheerleaders?
No of course not, they were just smart enough to realise that they had to do as they were told, do they're time and and dont rock the boat until they could get enough backstage swing to get a gimmick theyd prefer.
And that is the situation absolutely everybody on the roster is on.

You are naíve and frankly completely wrong.

 

[wolvdog316]

HHH pretended to have sex with a dead sister, while dressed as Kane. Would that have worked if he was black? No. Why? Cause black people don't do that shit. How many black monster heels have their been in Wrestling. Not that many. Why? Cause most black people aren't walking loons, nobody would buy that.

Remember Brother Dvon? Didn't work, cause most Preachers are white, unless you get into the deep south. Brother Love? Worked.

Point is, this is 2009, slavery was a LONG time ago. And yet we STILL have to deal with wah wah wah they are racist against black people.

Quick...how many black killers have their been on CSI, all three. Not that many. Why? cause Black people usually don't kill for shit like insurance money, spouse cheating on them, gambling debts. So they cast white people. Cause its believable. Do white people get upset? No. Cause majority of serial killer loons, are white.

Crime tyme is what a lot of people not from the urban city see most black people. Gangstas, gold teeth, stealing. But guess what? I'm from Houston, and people STILL think the south is a bunch of stupid rednecks that get our milk delivered to us. People still think the South is Uneducated.

Razor Ramone. GREAT character, but by your book, he has to be a racist. Ric Flair, just another white guy that loved to bang everything in sight and not have any remorse, greedy, corporate America. Racist? Stone Cold...Beer drinking cussing redneck from Texas. Racist?

Vince is an idiot sometimes. But he loves money. More than his kids. If you can make him money he will push you. I think it would be nice he reversed a lot of stuff. Have a black guy crazy as shit in a realistic way. When did John Cena get super over? When he pretty much acted like a black guy.

It's not racism, its stupidity and laziness. Kurt Angle, goof suburban white guy who was a goody goody and looked down upon everybody.

List goes on and on. I mean my god, Vince kicked the shit out of a One legged man, has beat up women, had a 80 year give birth to a hand, had Mark Henry fondle a chicks dick.

I live life to the fullest. I don't get offended when Black people call white people crackas, or dumb hicks, or goody goodys. Why? Cause they aren't talking about me. If you personally come up to me, and say something to ME, personally, than yeah we might have a problem.

 

[bxbigshow]

First, the WWE changing the spelling of certain names has moret o do with trademarking than stereotyping. Rey had the 'y' in Mexico/ECW. It was changed in WCW for the same reason, marketing/registered trademarks. I heard of WWE getting the trademark for Cryme Tyme BEFORE I saw a vignette about them. If they spelled it correctly then CT could've used it in another promotion (TNA) when they were released. (Think 'Dudley Boyz", had to change to "Team 3D)

Now as for the gimmicks, while they are stereotypical, it is still a part of a variety of gimmicks in WWE. Shelton doesn't have the 'racist' gimmick (after he lost his mammy) and his personality can't bring it out. I actually like the dyed hair, it felt like an ode to Butch Reed. I wanted him to be the Natural istead of Gold Standard but hey...

What bugs me more is that Cryme Tyme can't sniff a tag title run. They're just used for crowd pleasing but WWE doesn't think they're good enough for the straps?

I wish black wrestlers actually benefitted from some of these gimmicks. Why can't CT win the tag belts? Why isn't Kofi getting a serious mid-card title run? The NOD only helped Rock and that was unintentional.

 

[FromTheSouth]

It's tough to put a black guy in a gimmick and not make it racist.

Rapper, and smiley/happy go lucky are the least offensive gimmicks you can give a black guy.

Honestly, all gimmicks are based, in part, on stereotypes. Black HHH would be called a racist parody of a criminal. Black HBK would be called a bad parody of an evangelical. Black Edge would incite horror at the idea that a black man needs breaks and cheating to win.

The reason that white guys have such wide ranging gimmicks is that no one can call anyone racist. Even the accountant inspired no cries from the populace.

Look at Hispanics...everyone Hispanic jumps around and speaks in some Spanish, or at least heavily accented English. Eddie's Latino Heat is the most racist gimmick I can remember, but he owned it, and it was cool with him.

Also, examine how matches involving black guys are called. All that is ever mentioned is their size and athleticism. No black wrestler, that I can remember, has ever been called a technician or cerebral.

The trouble is that as a society, the necessity to be PC holds people back. Sure, a black guy that acts like a complete thug would be a great gimmick, but someone would have a problem with it, and it would have to be nicened up. I would love it if R-Truth disappeared for a couple of months and came back, fresh out of prison, tatted up, with a bad attitude. I would love it if he stole, jumped people for looking at him wrong, and recruited all the other brothas into a gang. The problem is, someone would complain about the WWE's racism. So we keep the mask on the Mexican, make the white boy clean cut as can be, label Canadians as technicians, and hope we don't incite the furor of the NAACP.

 

[trashboy]

this is NOT a wwe obsession rhyno started in ecw with that name Mysterio name of rey's uncle wwe did not take the name and change the i to y it happend before the were in wwe

actually Rhyno's name was spelled with the "i" when he was in ECW, he came to WWE and they changed it to the "y" and now that he's in TNA, he was able to go back to using the "i" version

 

[I_Like_All_Wrestling]

If people would stop actually looking at skin color we wouldn't have a problem. Gimmicks are built on sterotypes or perceived sterotypes.

Ron Killings' gimmick is his personality. That is how he actually acts and looks in real life. If anything, his character is actually nicer than he is in real life. Kofi is actually from Africa, not Jamaica. I think it would be hard to cast a white guy as a guy from the caribbean, so sorry it is what it is. Cryme Tyme is based on what most people outside of New York think Brooklyn is like. I personally find Cryme Tyme hilarious though I could totally see how come people could be offended by it.

How come no one is crying about how Trevor Murdoch was a redneck or Umaga is a savage pacific islander or how Mysterio wears a mask and is a high flyer like most Mexican wrestlers? If people want to find racism in anything they can.

 

[killcenanow]

The idea is to have a character for everybody. Within this very thread what one person is offended by, someone else is a fan of. As far as what the wrestlers or Vince think about it: offended or not they are all making a living off of it. If anyone of them thought it were intolerably racist they could ask for a change, sue, or quit, or something. They aren't helpless animals to be pitied here, they all make more than most of us do and seem to enjoy doing it. So that’s my argument for the individual.

Now as far as the business responsibility, as in: hey my kids are going to see these black people and think poorly of them from here out because cryme tyme just stole Lita's box of *****s." That's what variety is for, that's why while they are all different characters portraying different shit. You can sit Billy down and be like no not all black people are ***** stealer's see look this one eats too much (Viscera) this one is always pissed off (Mark Henry) and this one is just a normal guy more or less (MVP) everyone is different regardless of race there's going to be that black/white/Asian whatever guy you like and don't like. And what YOU like or don’t like will never be what the person next to you always agrees with. The world would be so bland without personality and opinions. Can we just accept that there's good and bad? Shit we hate and stuff we like and leave it at that. Make the topic; damn I don't like that guy, not "why is the company allowed to show that guy that way." It would be a violation of freedoms to tell someone they can’t show this sort of thing.

Semantics: the word stereotype seems wrong to me in the context its used how can they all be the same stereotype and represent different things. I think the word Generalities works better and to be fair there has to be generalities because once you make a character overly specific the audience gets cut down more and more with every detail.

Personally: I'm Italian. Santino is funny here and there and annoying at times. The accent is gimmicky and while annoying to me because as an Italian who speaks fluent English it doesn't portray Italians the way I see them. I don't get up in arms about it because I get that it's funny to others, I get that like it or not some Italians do talk that way, and most importantly I trust that society is either smart enough or mature enough to get that not every Italian is like that. For the rest of society that isn't smart enough or mature enough to understand that one character on TV does not represent every other person of that ethnicity I say Fuck'em, those ignorant republican white inbred southern pieces of shit, are not worth my time.

 

[Dsquire]

HHH pretended to have sex with a dead sister, while dressed as Kane. Would that have worked if he was black? No. Why? Cause black people don't do that shit. How many black monster heels have their been in Wrestling. Not that many. Why? Cause most black people aren't walking loons, nobody would buy that.

Remember Brother Dvon? Didn't work, cause most Preachers are white, unless you get into the deep south. Brother Love? Worked.

Point is, this is 2009, slavery was a LONG time ago. And yet we STILL have to deal with wah wah wah they are racist against black people.

Quick...how many black killers have their been on CSI, all three. Not that many. Why? cause Black people usually don't kill for shit like insurance money, spouse cheating on them, gambling debts. So they cast white people. Cause its believable. Do white people get upset? No. Cause majority of serial killer loons, are white.

Crime tyme is what a lot of people not from the urban city see most black people. Gangstas, gold teeth, stealing. But guess what? I'm from Houston, and people STILL think the south is a bunch of stupid rednecks that get our milk delivered to us. People still think the South is Uneducated.

Razor Ramone. GREAT character, but by your book, he has to be a racist. Ric Flair, just another white guy that loved to bang everything in sight and not have any remorse, greedy, corporate America. Racist? Stone Cold...Beer drinking cussing redneck from Texas. Racist?

Vince is an idiot sometimes. But he loves money. More than his kids. If you can make him money he will push you. I think it would be nice he reversed a lot of stuff. Have a black guy crazy as shit in a realistic way. When did John Cena get super over? When he pretty much acted like a black guy.

It's not racism, its stupidity and laziness. Kurt Angle, goof suburban white guy who was a goody goody and looked down upon everybody.

List goes on and on. I mean my god, Vince kicked the shit out of a One legged man, has beat up women, had a 80 year give birth to a hand, had Mark Henry fondle a chicks dick.

I live life to the fullest. I don't get offended when Black people call white people crackas, or dumb hicks, or goody goodys. Why? Cause they aren't talking about me. If you personally come up to me, and say something to ME, personally, than yeah we might have a problem.

This is a wrestling fourm so I didn't want to go to deep into race and politics. But comments such as the one in bold are ignorant and I mean ignorance in the form of now knowing. Mental scares of slavery still exists today, when you get the chance, look up Willie Lynch and see if the effects of his teachings are not still evident in 2009. The Jews have a saying when it comes to the Holocaust: never forget, so why the hell should we just get over massacre that occurred? Your right slavery was along time ago but Segregation and Apartheid sure as hell wasn't! Get your facts straight before you throw blanket statements over a potential fire. Nevertheless, there have been some good points especially about comedians using stereotypes as the life blood of their sketches but I dislike when African Americans stereotype themselves so trust me, when it comes to such disjointed portrayals, I do not use double standards.

 

[The Champ is here]

I'm Black So here's my Point of View......

White peope aren't used to seeing Black people on T.V. -Think about it, name 3 black television shows Today.-.........Anyway that being said, There's no everyday exposure to the American people of what people with different ethic backgrounds r all about and the personalitys that they express of looking the same but being different.

Back 2 the topic- there r alot of similar characteristics but still different personalitys that Kofi, Cryme Tyme, R Truth, MVP and mark Henry share.
Because......People r used to Black peolple acting a certain way and talking a certain way.

I wish wwe would allow a black Superstar to come into their own and not have a limit on the gimmick characteristics.

Fuck this shit i had enough of this topic.

Big ups, to President Obama!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Kid A]

what we're forgetting though is that they are just characters, actors. A regular black guy gimmick would be boring and to get these guys over,

but what you're forgetting is that their race should have nothing to do with anything it should be solely based on what they are actually able to do. not every black guy has to be a thug, pimp or some sort of inferior person. no superstar should have to be that, and its a shame that someone can actually say "well you cant just have a regular black guy" because its still singling him out as a "black" guy and has subtle undertones that would mean that a black person is supposed to act in certain ways or things like that...

these guys just need characters...MVP is kind of cheesy but it comes off very natural...The Rock also was very natural, as contrived as it was...back in my day Ahmed Johnson was believable even as wack on the mic he was and out of shape..it gets tiring seeing people just seen as lackeys and second rate citizens because its a reflection of not only what the company believes in but also what alot of the consumer does..

 

[Afro-Ameri-Spawn]

Sigh. Sometimes I swear, my work is never done. Sometimes I feel like a janitor in a 50 story building where everybody who worked that day suffered from explosive diarrhea. So much shit to wipe up, so little will power to do it.

what we're forgetting though is that they are just characters, actors. A regular black guy gimmick would be boring and to get these guys over, they would need a point of difference. The Cryme Tyme stuff can sometimes be pretty funny and entertaining, plus it would make an easy heel transformation to portray hardcore thugs. Imagine JTG as a heel... that would be the new X-Pac heat!

Okay, people say that I never have anything n ice to say. So I will begin by saying this. I agree with you about JTG. I can see him being a break away star as a hell. Sort of a crown prince of another million dollars stable who comes down in a robe instead of his current garb.

Now with that said, I will call your way of playing it out steroetypical crap. It's an insult to black men everywhere. But I can't blame you for having the mindset of a woodtick in the middle of a carrot patch. I blame the WWE. Because you see, fo the past umpteen hundred years, The McMahon Family has either portrayed black men as thugs or as happy go lucky slap step and fetchers. Think I'm crazy? Well let's look at it.

Bobo Brazil(happy go lucky)
Butch Reed(thug)
JYD(happy go lucky)
Koko B, Ware(happy go lucky)
Ron Simmon(thug, then happy go lucky)
and the list goes on and on.

I swear, it's like watching an episode of Amos and Andy or The Little Rascals or something else that sets my face back 400 years. And watching the landscape of the WWE today is no different than it was 20 years ago, well not unless ur white. White wrestlers have elvolved. How come minorities havent? Answer me that buddy.

Why is this annoying? isn't this how Americans spell stuff to be cool?

Sheer ignorance. Tell me you did NOT just say that.

You've never been to Jamaica have you...? Yes the touristy bits are beautiful and the weather is ace, but what people seem to forget, Jamaica is a 3rd world country. Everyone is poor and everyone is angry about it. Crime is disgustingly high, people are ruthless and the mortality rate from gun crime in parts of Kingston is higher than that of Harlem.

Um so. I mean in reality, Kofi Kingston isn't even FROM Jamaica. He's from Africa. But the character is so "Club Med-Jamaica" stereotypical that it's not even funny. I mean with all the jumped and hopping and the promos he did before he debuted, I'm surprised that Vince didn't suggest that he come down the titantron like he was shimming down a coconut tree and hand them out on his way to the ring. Or maybe is was Michael Hayes that suggested that. But whichever it was, he's still not a sign of progress for black wrestlers chances in WWE.

Ron Killings didn't rap at all when he was teamed with the Road Dogg then eh?

So. He rapped with Road Dog. So what. You just pretty much pointed out that TNA did NOT create the hip hop gimmick for Ron Killings. Of course, after WWE gave him the gimmick and released him, TNA gave him the chance to show what he could do without the gimmick. Being a former 2 times NWA champion, you would think they would have something more for him that what they are doing now, the happy go lucky hip hop black rapper. I guess the only think that they could have done worse would be if they made a half way decent black wrestler into a wrestling pimp. Nah, they would NEVER do that. Would they?

**(please note, the above statement expressed sarcasm. if you are stupid enough to explain who The Godfather was, then you will deserve the retort that will come afterwards. that is all.)**

 

[kingdirrtysouth1]

As a black man myself, I was offended when I first saw the vignettes for Cryme Tyme. Really, is this how you wanna introduce a new African American tag team, as thuggish thieves. The one that's most blatant is Mark Henry. Just how long has been portraying the ANGRY BLACK MAN gimmick? He's angry for no apparent reason! Tony Atlas is portrayed as incompetent and Mark yells at him.

 

[It's...Baylariat!]

I'm Black So here's my Point of View......

White peope aren't used to seeing Black people on T.V. -Think about it, name 3 black television shows.-.........Anyway that being said, There's no everyday exposure to the American people of what people with different ethic backgrounds r all about and the personalitys that they express of looking the same but being different.

The Jeffersons
Tyler Perry's House of Pain
Good Times

That's three. Others include Family Matters, Fresh Prince of Bel Air, Bernie Mac, My Wife & Kids, and The Cosby Show.

Now, after that TV flashback, I'll go on about racism in the WWE. The best example of racism in the WWE was when the Nation of Domination was around during the Attitude Era. That stereotype of black people being angry with prejudice and other stereotypical things was more racist than Kofi, and Cryme Tyme.

The WWE plays into characters and sure some of the characters were over the top, but it's entertainment to Vince. It's just like George Jefferson, or Bill Cosby. They're characters. Slick Johnson, Sexual Chocolate, and Bad News Brown were characters portrayed by real black men. Think about this...if it was racist, would black people do the character? I figure if someone wanted to call me "The Jewish Hammer" David Bayman, I'd know to draw the line somewhere when they'd have me wrestle in a yarmulke and start 'schlepping everywhere'.

We can play the race card, but the fact is if it was REALLY racist, the guys would not do the character. Period.

 

[Afro-Ameri-Spawn]

I'm Black So here's my Point of View......

So. I'm blacker. Plus I'm louder. And I'm sure that if you look a little deeper, you can find some native american n my blood as well. So my opinion negates yours fully before we even really get started.

White peope aren't used to seeing Black people on T.V. -Think about it, name 3 black television shows Today.-.........Anyway that being said, There's no everyday exposure to the American people of what people with different ethic backgrounds r all about and the personalitys that they express of looking the same but being different.

That's So Raven, Kory in the House, The Game(90% black cast), Everybody Hates Chris, The Boondocks, Chocolate News, OPRAH biatch, and countless other reality tv shows with all black casts or theme. Shall I go on? You see. Most people who read this would have thought you meant EVER. I'm smarter than that. But obviously you should be smart enough to check out your facts, seeing as how you are supposedly black. Know your heritage my misguided brutha.

Now with that pointed out to you, you can see that there is countless media exposure that you can see where there are actual positive portrayals of black people. And let's not get into The Cosby Show and countless other positive highly rated shows of all time. So not all black portrayals are of thugs. So don't go giving The McMahons excuses for not actually getting to know black people before they cast wrestlers to represent them to their fan base.

Back 2 the topic- there r alot of similar characteristics but still different personalitys that Kofi, Cryme Tyme, R Truth, MVP and mark Henry share.
Because......People r used to Black peolple acting a certain way and talking a certain way.

The are all from one mold and one type. And that mold is that, regardless of what the style is today, they are being portrayed as stereotypes from 5 years ago. I mean not only do you have to watch the same guidelines that the WWE has went with for black wrestlers since the day they opened their doors, but you have to watch black gimmicks that need the dust blown off of them. I mean what next, McMahon debuts Amos T. Jackson and Andrew Tyberious Jones as the new WWE tag team Amos and Andy? They might as well, it would actually be less insulting than the shit they are tossing at me now.

I wish wwe would allow a black Superstar to come into their own and not have a limit on the gimmick characteristics.

Blame Vince. He's always done it and always will do it. It's because it amuses him. I mean why else would you have fucking Virgil walking around following Ted Debiase as his personal man slave and yet Hercules gets to beat the crap out of Debiase when he tries to do it to him? WTF man.

Fuck this shit i had enough of this topic.

You and me both. But if you keep brushing it off, then WWE wins and will keep giving you the same craptastic black gimmicks that they always have. Speak up or forever be silenced...brutha.

Big ups, to President Obama!!!!!!!!!!

And then you had to say this simplistic shit. Dude, do your studies. Obama has fucked over more black people to get to where he is than Thomas Jefferson on viagra. If you knew the full Obama story, you wouldn't be tossing up his name for cheap heat at the end of a truly lackluster retort....brutha.

 

[Total Impact]

Why can't people just understand that wrestling is a walking stereotype, especially the WWE. I mean it goes back to Brunno Sammartino the big Italian strong man to now with Umaga the wild Samaon. WWE and wrestling in general plays off stereotypes as it reflects what we do in real life.

The thing about it, is that it's cool in wrestling to do that as it gives each race of people something "Real" to indentify with. I mean that is why I love the Nation of Dommination because it was a bunch of brothas kicking ass especially white people because at the time I was a young black boy who loved seeing white people getting the shit beat out of them as I saw it as the black man getting over.

The same other races feel about seeing their own in wrestling, from Mexicans loving Eddie and Rey winning the titles. To all the white boys who act "black" thinking John Cena is a real badass, when he got bitched by R-Truth a few years back in an airport.

Wrestling is a walking stereotype and that is what makes it cool. I mean what other sport or entertainment factor has so much diversity when pushing talent. I mean the WWE has had a Samoan, Mexican, Perto Rican, Black, Italian, Irishman, Russian, Canadian, & etc as champions, and many play basic stereotypes to get over.

Stereotypes are reflections of real life, it may not be the way you live, but it is a reflection of what goes on in real life.

 

[The Doctor]

How has nobody mentioned MArcus Cor Von's entrance theme? That was pretty "stereotypical". I mean, harmonies, horns, lyrics about beating stuff up, 'smooth'...

As for stereotypes, they exist. They'll continue to exist. So what?
So I'm a fan of Cryme Tyme, R-Truth, and Kofi Kingston. Am I now to be labeled a racist? Seriously, don't be so stupid.

Of course, this whole topic's a joke. He only made it to stir up a reaction.

 

[NYSandman]

All right. I agree with Jake and am not racist.

But, black guys are doing this gimmick themselves! Almost every rap song talks about being thugs, shooting people, selling drugs, etc.

Now, I like rap. But, even in the media when they interview some hip-hop star, you see the stereotype. How is it a stereotype when the people you are stereotyping do it themselves?

Cryme time is a gimmick that is synonymous with what's being done in some areas of black culture. But, here's why Cryme Tyme is more harmless than the rest.

Cryme Tyme is MEANT to be a joke. Anyone with a brain can tell it's making fun of the very thing it's pretending to be.

There are, however, a lot of black stars, both in music and television, who think that promoting the thug, gangsta life is cool, and, yes, I believe it does hurt young blacks.

I've never been offended by any of the Italian shit, the Sopranos, Santino, etc. We need to learn to laugh at ourselves.

And, all the guys Jake showed need new gimmicks, something different that doesn't scream, "HEY. IN CASE YOU DIDN'T NOTICE, I'M BLACK!"