I know that VKM is not really a fan of factions, however HHH is. I've seen the return of Kane having it's effect on John Cena, trying to get him to embrace the hate. Recently we've seen JL and his thing with Punk, and it seems that JL is beginning to embrace the hate. Drew Mac is being treated like a step child by Teddy Long. These are a few things I've noticed, and it seems that all parties involved have the same thing going on, they are beginning to embrace the hate somewhat. Is it possible that Drew will move to Raw soon and we see an epic group f these people form? Remember that the NWO had Eric Bishoff(all factions need a person of power within them to work) and it was WCW vs the NWO? Could it be that this is a beginning? If it was I think it would seriously help the WWE out. Maybe it is just wishful thinking, but it would be great.
A New Faction Angle?
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#hamler
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What is with everyone's fascination with factions? Seriously, it’s like everyone on these boards gets a hard-on at the thought of a damn faction forming. They've been done to death in the wrestling world and always come out a disappointment. What you have done here is throw three very different superstars together, that you may or may not be marks for and said lets create a faction. Why? I think you're looking way to deep in the embrace the hate angle. John is tied up with CM Punk. Drew isn’t going anywhere anytime soon. So that leaves Cena who is the only one here embracing the hate; the only one that the crowd may or may not be getting to. Why exactly would the WWE be better off with an NWO like faction? You do know that NWO was one of the main reasons WCW sucked in the late '90's. Factions are old and annoying. Let them quietly go away.
pharrison0scorpion
Occasional Pre-Show
Factions have had their time. Enough with them. The most recent ones come to mind - Nexus, Corre. Both started with potential (admittedly Nexus with a lot more), but both ended up sucking and being boring. Enough with the factions. Just focus on tag teams and singles. No more.
streicher187
Getting Noticed By Management
I don't know about faction, I think the Kane thing is just to finally put more heat on Cena to make sure the fans cheer the Rock. I wouldn't mind seeing Vicki add a tag team to her roster, there hasn't been a decent tag team with a manager in a while and it would give her a "main eventer" mid carder and a tag team.
xxxdaniel_ariesxxx
Pre-Show Stalwart
WrestleMania is going to be in Miami, the city where The Rock went to school and lived for many years, its was billed as The Rock's hometown for his entire career... John Cena could have spent the last year finding the cure for cancer, kissing babies and saving kittens from trees, and he would still get booed out of the building at Mania, end of story.
As for factions, they have, and still could, work if done properly. Hulkamania was based around Hogan feuding with the members of the Heenan Family. How many stars were created from either being a member of, or feuding against, The Four Horsemen? The nWo, before it was watered down to a pool of stagnant mush, was pure gold. D-Generation-X v The Hart Foundation launched the career of Triple H, revitalized the careers of two very stale stars in Bret Hard and Shawn Michaels, and lifted Owen and Bulldog up to the top of the card and the main event picture. On top of that Stone Cold Steve Austin's feud with The Hart Foundation directly lead to his feud with Vince McMahon and his Corporation. DX v The Nation established both Triple H and The Rock as true main event level stars. Evolution created two of the top four new stars of the last 10 years in Randy Orton and Batista.
Can someone explain to me again why factions don't work, if done properly?
Mustang Sally
Sells seashells by the seashore
It's a reasonable thought, but I don't know that Creative is intentionally coming up with ideas that lean in the direction. After all, John Cena and Kane definitely have no need to be in factions. McIntyre, on the other hand, might benefit greatly from one.....and so might others, given that it's no disgrace to ally with other people to solidify a persona of your own...... folks who became huge stars as individuals started out that way. Y'know, like.....The Rock?
But I wouldn't say it's a trend; since the McMahon-Helmsley Faction back in the day, there have been programs that tossed together people with similar ideas or goals. C.M. Punk and the two broods he's led are pretty good examples of how this kind of thing can be done well.
Come to think of it, Degeneration X was a good example of a faction that benefited everyone in the group. And remember, Triple H wasn't the leader of that faction in the beginning, was he? He's done okay for himself since, no?
Come to think of it, if a tag team can be said to be a faction, I've sometimes wondered if Shawn Michaels ever would have become The Heartbreak Kid with all the individual success that followed, had he never been allied with Marty Jannetty.
But I wouldn't say it's a trend; since the McMahon-Helmsley Faction back in the day, there have been programs that tossed together people with similar ideas or goals. C.M. Punk and the two broods he's led are pretty good examples of how this kind of thing can be done well.
Come to think of it, Degeneration X was a good example of a faction that benefited everyone in the group. And remember, Triple H wasn't the leader of that faction in the beginning, was he? He's done okay for himself since, no?
Come to think of it, if a tag team can be said to be a faction, I've sometimes wondered if Shawn Michaels ever would have become The Heartbreak Kid with all the individual success that followed, had he never been allied with Marty Jannetty.
Trill Co$by
Believes in The Shield!
Sorry Hamler, you're my boy and all but that last comment was ridiculous. nWo was the biggest part of WCW's popularity. In the 90s, every kid who watched wrestling had either a Rock Shirt, an Austin shirt, a Goldberg shirt, or an nWo t-shirt (of any color). NWO was amazing, and it was a great way for them to put over other talent. It also favored Japanese Wrestling where everyone in some way or another is part of a faction.
I honestly find factions to be a great go to plan to build more stars. Let's face it, without factions, Ric Flair wouldn't be a 16 time World Champion. Without factions, HHH wouldn't have had a job after that nonsensical Blue Chipper gimmick. Without factions Randy Orton and Batista would've been jack shit. Without Nexus or the Corre, Wade Barrett would be in FCW still.
Hell, without factions, wrestling would be boring. They're a nice way to spark multiple interests through one original plot line. There's nothing wrong with that, the more numbers you have on a team, the better your chances of making more stars. Nexus has produced Barrett, Gabriel (rising), Slater (rising), and Otunga. NWO allowed Hogan to extend his career. DX kept HHH and HBK with a job. Evolution, launched the career of Batista & Orton. Hell, the Alliance made Booker T & RVD big name draws for the WWE market.
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Back to the main topic. Do I see a faction forming? You bet your ass I do. Do I see CM Punk and JL becoming that faction? You bet your ass I do. Why do I believe this?
Because as much as I hate the idea of WWE pleasing The Rock, everything about the CM Punk/John Laurinaitis angle just screams "The Corporate's Champ" storyline. Just like the Rock with McMahon, CM Punk is going into his World title match without any possibility of coming out with the win for his title. Just like McMahon with the Rock, it's been written in the sand that the higher authority plans to screw CM Punk out of a title.
The only difference is that CM Punk isn't gunning for his first WWE title, but overall the looks are there.
As for the Kane bit? I really don't think Kane is supposed to be a heel in this situation. I think Kane is doing just getting Cena to do what Roddy Piper wanted him to do. I think Kane is actually trying to help Cena get into another zone so that he could be on the same level as The Rock. Say what you want, but it makes sense in the end.
King Patrick Star
K. O. T. R. 2007 - Team Undisputed
I personally would love to see something like this happen. Championships and Stables is what got me into Professional Sports Wrestling Entertainment, and both of these factors are not being highlighted as much as I would like them to be.
The United Kingdom Faction / Storyline in WWE 12 would be something I would definitely be interested in seeing in the WWE right now. Of course it would have to be a little different than what is in the game, but the general idea of putting Sheamus, Wade Barrett, Drew McIntyre and William Regal together would make for great television. (In my version in my WW 12 Universe, I replaced Wade Barrett with Booker T. making it more of a Kings Of The Ring Stable with Drew McIntyre as the young up and coming SuperStar.)
As far as the OPs idea, I think a Stable consisting of John Cena, Kane, CM Punk, Drew McIntyre, led John Laurinaitis to form the new Corporatin. I can see Cena embracing Hate and joining Kane. I can see Teddy Long firing McIntyre and Laurinaitis hiring him. I can see Laurinaitis and Punk joining forces when it is all said and done, similar to McMahon and Austin, so they can eliminate their common enemy, Triple H and whoever he can get together. Its possible.
The United Kingdom Faction / Storyline in WWE 12 would be something I would definitely be interested in seeing in the WWE right now. Of course it would have to be a little different than what is in the game, but the general idea of putting Sheamus, Wade Barrett, Drew McIntyre and William Regal together would make for great television. (In my version in my WW 12 Universe, I replaced Wade Barrett with Booker T. making it more of a Kings Of The Ring Stable with Drew McIntyre as the young up and coming SuperStar.)
As far as the OPs idea, I think a Stable consisting of John Cena, Kane, CM Punk, Drew McIntyre, led John Laurinaitis to form the new Corporatin. I can see Cena embracing Hate and joining Kane. I can see Teddy Long firing McIntyre and Laurinaitis hiring him. I can see Laurinaitis and Punk joining forces when it is all said and done, similar to McMahon and Austin, so they can eliminate their common enemy, Triple H and whoever he can get together. Its possible.
VinnieSunshine
The lord of darkness
I've said this repeatedly on these boards...
NO MORE FACTIONS!!!!
Seriously, we just got over dealing with 2 versions of Nexus...both fell apart just as they were getting good because WWE dropped the ball. Eventually WWE drops the ball I'd say once out of every 3 factions.
Evolution was awesome, New DX sucked, Spirit Squad only helped one guy but was ok for what it was, Nexus eventually sucked, Legacy was weak, new Nexus sucked.
Kane, doesn't need a faction. Cena doesn't need a faction, let alone be in one with Kane. Drew...WWE has something up its sleeve with Drew.
I don't want to see a WWE vs faction. TNA did and I thought it was horrible. WWE did it back in the day when it was WWE vs ECW/WCW. Eventually the whole NWO angle in WCW got boring and old.
Please, I beg everyone...no more stable or faction threads. WWE doesn't NEED them right now, they are doing a good job of pushing the stars they have as singles.
WWE needs to focus on OTHER areas than building stables/factions. How about the tga division? What about the Divas division? Lets build THOSE up before we tal;k about factions.
Factions should be like what the HITC was. Something that happens once in awhile to bring shock and awe. Just like the HITC has become, if used over and over it's not as good.
*STEPS OFF SOAPBOX*
NO MORE FACTIONS!!!!
Seriously, we just got over dealing with 2 versions of Nexus...both fell apart just as they were getting good because WWE dropped the ball. Eventually WWE drops the ball I'd say once out of every 3 factions.
Evolution was awesome, New DX sucked, Spirit Squad only helped one guy but was ok for what it was, Nexus eventually sucked, Legacy was weak, new Nexus sucked.
Kane, doesn't need a faction. Cena doesn't need a faction, let alone be in one with Kane. Drew...WWE has something up its sleeve with Drew.
I don't want to see a WWE vs faction. TNA did and I thought it was horrible. WWE did it back in the day when it was WWE vs ECW/WCW. Eventually the whole NWO angle in WCW got boring and old.
Please, I beg everyone...no more stable or faction threads. WWE doesn't NEED them right now, they are doing a good job of pushing the stars they have as singles.
WWE needs to focus on OTHER areas than building stables/factions. How about the tga division? What about the Divas division? Lets build THOSE up before we tal;k about factions.
Factions should be like what the HITC was. Something that happens once in awhile to bring shock and awe. Just like the HITC has become, if used over and over it's not as good.
*STEPS OFF SOAPBOX*
#hamler
That's all folks.
Sorry Hamler, you're my boy and all but that last comment was ridiculous. nWo was the biggest part of WCW's popularity. In the 90s, every kid who watched wrestling had either a Rock Shirt, an Austin shirt, a Goldberg shirt, or an nWo t-shirt (of any color). NWO was amazing, and it was a great way for them to put over other talent.
1996, NWO was fresh and cool. 1997, we were still getting fresh storylines. 1998, things have taken full effect and I like it. 1999, Uh, it's still a bit good. 2000, lets get this over with. 2001, again, no. NWO was undoubtedly good for the first couple of years used, but around the early part of 2000, and with over 49,324.6557 members included, it got unbearable. A combination of that, politics, horrid storylines revolving NWO is partly the reason WCW sucked so much in its later days. Ratings proved this.
Factions are becoming tiresome. Sure DX worked, The Nation worked, The Four Horsemen worked, Evolution worked and the ORIGINAL NWO worked for a little while, but with the WWE lack of interest in anything lasting more than a month, why bother? Nexus was a nice example of the WWE not giving a shit about the storyline after so many months of using it. A faction isn't needed here. NWO factions have been rehashed to absolute death by the wrestling world, and never work. No one can recreate that magic so why try with a WWE vs. whoever faction storyline? Kane surely doesnt need a faction. CM Punk surely doesnt need a faction. John Cena for damn sure doesnt need a faction. The only Superstar who could benefit from a faction in the OP is Drew McIntyre; and the WWE seems to be doing something with him on Smackdown anyways.
Cats Pajamas
Serenity now!!!
Hard enough to force a zipper malfunction, baby! Factions aren't so bad, they're as recognizable to wrestling as the cage match and the kiss my ass club. Factions can still have agendas besides the typical "disestablish the authority" to-do list. While I agree with the OP that Drew McIntyre could get over well in a faction with JL, Cena, Kane, and whoever the hell else you have in it, I have to agree that I don't care to see it happen as these guys seem like oil and water, all in seperate storylines and in Drew's case, a different show.
JL and Cena definitely don't belong in a faction together, nor do I think Kane and Cena should be in one. Cena's supposed to hate both of these guys because they beat on his sidekick, Ryder.
I suppose its possible, but I can't speculate on it's likeliness without my crystal ball. He's got a good out from Smackdown whenever they need it with his "one more chance" thingy but they'd still need to build on a connection to the other members.
Which is fine to say as long as you're not comparing the Nexus angle to a faction storyline. Nexus was more like Mario vs. King Koopa; no one besides Barrett/Punk was even hinted at as having a shot against Cena! Evolution, despite how much I disliked them, was a very successful faction in the WWE.
WWE needs all the help it can get, you pencil-necked geek! Wooooo!!!
I'm only kidding; I agree. They don't need another faction right now. Late January would be the wrong time to start building a major faction program because it'll just fall flat during a poorly conceived Mania angle. After Mania, however, go nuts... just go all the way, not get a month into it and say screw it.
I think there'd be less faction threads if more fans watched TNA too. They have the cure for the faction blues a couple times a year.
Factions do work, and, when done correctly elevate everyone involved. That's a fact. That being said, WWE has botched their last few attempts at it so I understand why people are hesitant to want more of that. TNA fans got to sit through the completely nonsensical Immortal/Fourtune/Everyone else angle...and that was also a bad example of how to do it. But there are way too many examples of it working well, they just need to keep those in mind when they are at the drawing board. Johnny Ace needs a crew of guys who are his thugs and at least 1 or two should be threats to CM Punks title(Miz/Truth would have worked)...otherwise this whole thing goes nowhere. With so many people saying that the product is stale, they really need to do something to shake things up. Who actually finishes watching Raw now and says "OMFG that was awesome I can't wait to see what they do next!" ........yeah, so no idea should be off the table.
AndThat'sTheBottomLine
I am the
I like factions but ive despised the last few attempts by both tna and wwe. Immortal sucked after a couple of months I liked fortune at first with flair but then not so much. Nexus in all of its incarnations sucked the straight edge society sucked and their last attempt at dx sucked. That being said I understand the hatred towards factions as I do share some of it. If done right though factions are a major aid to the careers of all involved. I could see a faction storyline in the wwe right now and if they do it right then it could work but if the last few attempts are any indication then it probably wont.
Factions are great. It's what makes wrestling entertaining. Don't know why everyone is saying no to factions or factions suck. That's what i miss about the 90s, all the faction wars, they were fun. For recent factions, I enjoyed Straight Edge Society (yes, I liked Punk before his famous promo and everyone jumped on the bandwagon). Nexus was cool at first, loved their debut, it was actually amazing, but then after a few weeks it got lame. Legacy was great as well. And yes, I even enjoyed the factions over in TNA, Immortal, Fortune, Main Event Mafia.
I'm hoping they do form some sort of Corporation with Johnny Ace. I love factions and I love tag teams. Any time they can do one or the other I'm happy. I'm just tired of seeing everyone as singles wrestlers fighting each other. We need factions. It would make the current watered down WWE more entertaining.
Maybe Kane can bring back the Ministry.
I'm hoping they do form some sort of Corporation with Johnny Ace. I love factions and I love tag teams. Any time they can do one or the other I'm happy. I'm just tired of seeing everyone as singles wrestlers fighting each other. We need factions. It would make the current watered down WWE more entertaining.
Maybe Kane can bring back the Ministry.
Not necessarily a faction, but I can see Vickie Guerrero recruiting a few new members after Wrestlemania. I'm not really a Drew McIntyre fan, but I can see him being aligned with Ziggler and Swagger. He could fit into that cocky heel mold. She could possibly recruit a tag team as well (Primo and Epico? a new tag team?) and could have her "stable" dominating the WWE and holding the majority of the titles, as Dolph Ziggler will be a WWE title contender after Wrestlemania, and Swagger will always be in the hunt for the US title. It could be a cross-brand faction and Drew could go after the IC title once Cody drops it. Hell, she could even recruit Daniel Bryan as he could do with a mouthpiece!
i LOVE the idea of a British faction as well
i LOVE the idea of a British faction as well
You are becoming tiresome. Your first comment went on about how NWO was what made wcw bad in the 90's or whatever it was you said. Now because someone else made you look stupid, you go and make yourself look even more stupid by changing the 90's until after 2000. Make up your mind. Its obvious you really have no idea what your on about otherwise you would have stuck with your original comment instead of changing your mind.
Factions work if done right, and there is always room for a faction.
I understand what you say about these people not needing factions, they are already stars. But look at it from my angle...Right now the WWE is trying to gain foreward progress by doing what? They are bringing back...and yes, I love these older stars...but Bringing back Chris Jericho, Booker T, Hot Rod, Foley, The Rock, The Undertaker... the occasional Bret Hart, Stone Cold, Jerry Lawler appearances...among others. These guys all have one thing in common, they have been around for quite a while. On the other hand, you have a long list of up and coming stars...so many that it is hard to try to get them all "over" in a respectable amt of time. Factions could very quickly get these awesome new talents out there and over a lot faster, and that is what the WWE needs. Stars can get over depending on who is standing behind them. For instance, you have John Cena, Kane, JL, Punk all standing behind Drew and maybe a couple other newer guys, the crowds will start paying them a lot of attention fast. 2 big factions backing up 5 or 6 newer guys will help them develop more quickly. The WWE has been coasting on the talent they have, and crowds are starting to become bored, the reason they have to bring back "old" talent, to regenerate interest again. I, and I'm sure many others feel the same, the WWE is looking to the past too much and not enough to the future.
DeathClutch
HaRDcOrE ChAMpiOn
I think it's about time to maybe reunite the Corperation to some degree, with Vince/HHH and JL being the main 3 behind the group and bring in some of the younger guys who need that rub amongst the top guys in the WWE.
Cena and Punk being the two against the faction and if WWE did pull a heel turn for Cena, this would be the perfect way to do so, even if the heel turn didn't suit WWE could have him turn on the Corperation to get him back on the face side.
Cena and Punk being the two against the faction and if WWE did pull a heel turn for Cena, this would be the perfect way to do so, even if the heel turn didn't suit WWE could have him turn on the Corperation to get him back on the face side.
I kind of agree with you here. Maybe if they actually let factions be factions in this day and age I would agree to having them around. But it seems like these days factions are around for a maximum of 6 months before they are done completely or broken up somehow someway. See Nexus, New Nexus...The Corre..Legacy...the list goes on. Hell even Evolution could have lasted longer than it did!
King of the Words
Getting Noticed By Management
This whole Jericho thing with the end of the world as we know it could be the beginning to a power group that controls the WWE. I could see Jericho, Stephanie, Laurinitis, Ziggler battling against C.M Punk, Triple H. and maybe Cena. A feud that could go until summer Slam.
George Steele's Barber
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I think we need to take these stable ideas back behind the stables and shoot them.
I kid, I kid. A stable is only as as interesting as the story idea and execution. If you are really looking to build a stable you need to come up an idea or a purpose for the stable. In other words why did each one join and what is the groups common goal(s)? It helps if you can build up their allegiance over time and maybe add some shock to their build as well. The group most likely needs a leader or two and a hierarchy. To really cement your stable idea it may help to build a long term story of not just their rise but what they will end up accomplishing and ultimately their downfall and aftermath.
Otherwise, just about anyone can take a bunch of random puzzle pieces and jam them together to make some type of jumbled, pointless mess that has no purpose. Stables have not panned out in recent memory, there may come a time when they work again but right now feels like a good time to give them a rest (except for my stable idea of having a group of mid-card Mexicans, Indians and Chinese called, "Dey Tuk Dar Dobs" who go around criticizing and blaming us lazy, stupid, greedy Muricans for our current financial situation". My idea is awesome!)
I kid, I kid. A stable is only as as interesting as the story idea and execution. If you are really looking to build a stable you need to come up an idea or a purpose for the stable. In other words why did each one join and what is the groups common goal(s)? It helps if you can build up their allegiance over time and maybe add some shock to their build as well. The group most likely needs a leader or two and a hierarchy. To really cement your stable idea it may help to build a long term story of not just their rise but what they will end up accomplishing and ultimately their downfall and aftermath.
Otherwise, just about anyone can take a bunch of random puzzle pieces and jam them together to make some type of jumbled, pointless mess that has no purpose. Stables have not panned out in recent memory, there may come a time when they work again but right now feels like a good time to give them a rest (except for my stable idea of having a group of mid-card Mexicans, Indians and Chinese called, "Dey Tuk Dar Dobs" who go around criticizing and blaming us lazy, stupid, greedy Muricans for our current financial situation". My idea is awesome!)
#hamler
That's all folks.
Says the guy with 5 posts.
1999 they were still shit but tolerable. In 2000, unbearable. Makes perfect sense. Just because you're not mentally equipped enough to understand that doesn't make it my fault.
Didn't change anything. Read above.
If done right, the WWE can do anything; any storyline they chose. IF DONE RIGHT; that can be applied to everything. What was the WWEs last successful faction; Evolution over 6 years ago.
With Wrestlemania coming up, there's room for this bad faction idea? No. The WWE already has plans for Wrestlemania. And a faction isn't one of them. Do I know that, no. Obviously I don't. But from the last couple of years, these faction produced by the WWE have sucked. This one will be no different.
You failed every way possible.
if you dont like factions just ignore the faction threads!
factoin was the first thing i thought when jericho spoke. their hasnt been one in a while and factions will always be a part of wrestling.
y2j is too over so i think if their was to be a faction it would be a bunch of faces. hhh is supposed to come back. it seems that the heels have been winning a lot recently and the wwe needs to build its young faces.
i do like the point of a lot of people embracing the hate. i only skimmed some of the posts but jiinder mahal and hunico have been embracing the hate a lot recently and diidn't see their names
factoin was the first thing i thought when jericho spoke. their hasnt been one in a while and factions will always be a part of wrestling.
y2j is too over so i think if their was to be a faction it would be a bunch of faces. hhh is supposed to come back. it seems that the heels have been winning a lot recently and the wwe needs to build its young faces.
i do like the point of a lot of people embracing the hate. i only skimmed some of the posts but jiinder mahal and hunico have been embracing the hate a lot recently and diidn't see their names
Woah, woah, woah there boy. Do I need to remind you of a little faction called The Union? Only joking. Of course you are right. Factions do serve a purpose, but the best ones have largely been those which have boosted the careers of individuals. The likes of the Horsemen and Evolution both accomplished this. A stable can also elevate stars above their stations, perhaps DX achieved this with the likes of X-Pac, Road Dogg and Billy Gunn. But a faction can be equally divisive. Just ask Ric Flair, he may have a thing or two to say about the NWO!
MWRedskins
Mid-Card Championship Winner
i am a huge fan of factions if they are done right and honestly, this isnt one of them. sure the embrace the hate sounds like a good line to use, but for me, it doesnt work to form a faction and i dont want to see McIntyre, Kane and JL team up with each other.
Now with that said, someone mentioned Vickie Guerrero and that makes more sense. it would make more sense if she added a tag team to her stable and then that's the faction they make, Swagger, Ziggler and the tag team.
