A New Era in WWE(?)

[jamesjd66]

Hey everyone. This is not a thread to hypothesize about the next main eventers, nor the second coming of the Attitude Era. Not the potential of a new "Monday Night War", or the possible (yet probable) merging of the 3 brands.

What I would like to address and get feedback on is WWE, post "Wellness policy".

<Off topic for a sec>
Please don't get me wrong...I am completely behind the Wellness program. (Although I wish it were unbiased* and had a higher success rate) If implemented earlier, Wrestlers such as Davey Boy Smith, Eddie G, and even Bryan Adams might still be captivating us to this day. Lex Luger might still be walking and perhaps the Benoit travesty may not have happened...Who knows, maybe Scott Steiner could've been a decent wrestler...lol

Back To My Point

Recently, the Wellness Policy has been somewhat effective......... It's been highly successful in weeding out low-mid carders. Joey Mercury, Test, Chris Masters, (with all due respect) Nick Dinsmore, have all been released. It appears Chavo will never be released due to either name recognition or just plain guilt from the WWE. (But his hair-plugs look nice)
My * earlier about the biasness refers to Orton (who is a repeat offender), Batista (who's gene pool must've been shocked with stanzonol) and even HHH who you may as well call "Optimus Prime" cause his shape/size changes so often, go figure he created "Evolution". (Can't wait for Lashley to come back)

I've noticed recently many higher echelon wrestlers have been losing their builds. Some of which have already been implicated for juicing. Before Edge was injured, he was implicated by Sports Illustrated for juicing. He denied it of course, but shortly after he lost his "cut-ness" if you will.Kennedy, after getting suspended also has a "diminishing" physique-meaning gut. Rey Mysterio anyone?

Wrestlezone just reported that a revised "Wellness Policy" is in the works that allows less loopholes as well as the fact that WWE will announce future violators.

I see in the not so distant future WWE will have no other choice then to push Naturally talented, entertaining wrestlers rather than Vinnie Mac's ideal "Look".(Which 2 era's ago ended with Hogan and others testifying against Vince for the juice).

IMO this would be a great Era or new beginning if you would for WWE. Open the door for the guys deemed "not big enough" to grab the ball and run with it. Guys like Shelton, the Hardy's(Flame Off!) and Santino (who is complete money on the mic!). CM Punk who whether they like it or not, epitomizes every aspect of what they are preaching- Above average wrestler, Fan fav but does the heel well, and is drug+alc free.
Don't really have a closing for this but this is how I feel. With any luck, WWE will get on the ball and start pushing respectful talent.

(WWE allegedly has told Jericho to "Beef" up so we'll se how this turns out)

 

[noone911]

Recently, the Wellness Policy has been somewhat effective......... It's been highly successful in weeding out low-mid carders. Joey Mercury, Test, Chris Masters, (with all due respect) Nick Dinsmore, have all been released.

Do you really think that is Cena, HHH, Batista and Edge all failed multiple wellness tests they would get rid of them? I highly doubt it. I think they will shield people who are their stars and release lower level talent. All of the guys you mentioned wouldn't bring much status from going anywhere else and really won't be missed, plus it cuts payroll and shows that "they're doing something about the problem." If WWE were to receive fines for something like this they would most likely be less costly than releasing a main eventer and possibly having him go to TNA.

I don't think the would ever get rid of a top name guy who wants to be there unless something ridiculous happened. I wonder what the truth is on Booker T, if he left of was fired.

 

[jamesjd66]

I don't think the would ever get rid of a top name guy who wants to be there unless something ridiculous happened. I wonder what the truth is on Booker T, if he left of was fired.

I completely agree with you. That's one point i'm trying to convey. Booker T prob wouldn't have left after the violations but due to politics(and being on HHH''s show and suspended for the 2nd time) he got pissed and left.

Angle on the other hand... Was he let go before they started really cracking down?

 

[kabby420]

WWE is a form of sports entertainment, not an actual sport like football hockey...etc... the results are scripted, and the moves are planned out. These guys are no different then lets say schwarzenegger, who did the juice while acting, only to make himself look good on screen and i'm sure help with teh grind of being an action star. When you look at some of the greatest moments in wwe history...hell in a cell and ladder matches and TLC.. these are all crazy events that we love soo much... foley being thrown from the cell and on the announce table... edge giving hardy a spear from 20 plus feet in the air, and then appearing on raw the next night to compete all over again. the only way the human body can withstand that kind of hell is with the aid of certain roids. We all expect great things from the wwe but you take away that edge that made those great moments in history, then yer stuck with basic ground wrestling with the odd steel chair. Day in and day out these guys give us everything they have and as of recently iut really hasn't been enough. basically what i'm trying to say is the wellness policy is a great idea, but it's not a sollution. I have nothing but respect for the guys that don't use and still achieve greatness. but to be honest it makes for boring programming. i'm dreading what's gunna happen at SS with taker and batista, now that they can't take the drugs to help them heal after a crazy match. i think the solution would be to allow more time off and switch up the scheduling, i mean when i watch UFC i understand why andersen sylva isn't at every fight he needs to rest and prepare... why can't the same thing happen in wwe? getting rid of the drugs will in the long run weaken the wwe. Granted it will save lives but anything can be deadly when taken in large amounts even soda pop. so i think give the wrestlers a little bit of flexibility ion teh testing and allow them to rest more, and you've got a sollution. But taking the drugs totally out of wrestling is gunna result in more problems then they already have.

 

[Shadowmancer]

WWE is a form of sports entertainment, not an actual sport like football hockey...etc... the results are scripted, and the moves are planned out. These guys are no different then lets say schwarzenegger, who did the juice while acting, only to make himself look good on screen and i'm sure help with teh grind of being an action star. When you look at some of the greatest moments in wwe history...hell in a cell and ladder matches and TLC.. these are all crazy events that we love soo much... foley being thrown from the cell and on the announce table... edge giving hardy a spear from 20 plus feet in the air, and then appearing on raw the next night to compete all over again. the only way the human body can withstand that kind of hell is with the aid of certain roids. We all expect great things from the wwe but you take away that edge that made those great moments in history, then yer stuck with basic ground wrestling with the odd steel chair. Day in and day out these guys give us everything they have and as of recently iut really hasn't been enough. basically what i'm trying to say is the wellness policy is a great idea, but it's not a sollution. I have nothing but respect for the guys that don't use and still achieve greatness. but to be honest it makes for boring programming. i'm dreading what's gunna happen at SS with taker and batista, now that they can't take the drugs to help them heal after a crazy match. i think the solution would be to allow more time off and switch up the scheduling, i mean when i watch UFC i understand why andersen sylva isn't at every fight he needs to rest and prepare... why can't the same thing happen in wwe? getting rid of the drugs will in the long run weaken the wwe. Granted it will save lives but anything can be deadly when taken in large amounts even soda pop. so i think give the wrestlers a little bit of flexibility ion teh testing and allow them to rest more, and you've got a sollution. But taking the drugs totally out of wrestling is gunna result in more problems then they already have.

Steroids do not help in the every day recovery of matches if they pull off all of the moves correctly. The use of Steroids in the WWE and Wrestling in General is to get the physique rather than the healing factor which only comes into play when they need serious rehab from muscle Injury. Therefore the removal of Steroids that are not linked to rehab for serious Injuries should occur. Getting rid of Steroids will not weaken the WWE or any other promotion as it is about time certain people in the WWE learned how to do things properly and not injure either themselves or whoever they are working with (Batista and Jeff Hardy being key names here) Because of your Human Illiteracy when it comes to this you must realise We would rather have Wrestlers grow old and be like Ric Flair and Hulk Hogan than to be guys like Davey Boy and Eddie Guerrero who died well to soon.

(WWE allegedly has told Jericho to "Beef" up so we'll se how this turns out)

This is not in terms of Bulking up to look good it is to protect him from the more dangerous moves as a layer of fat cushions blows. It is also so that Jericho falls into the heavyweight category, 225 pounds and above most of that will be muscle due to him working out rather than being on the juice.

 

[jonyblade2007]

Steroids do not help in the every day recovery of matches if they pull off all of the moves correctly. The use of Steroids in the WWE and Wrestling in General is to get the physique rather than the healing factor which only comes into play when they need serious rehab from muscle Injury. Therefore the removal of Steroids that are not linked to rehab for serious Injuries should occur. Getting rid of Steroids will not weaken the WWE or any other promotion as it is about time certain people in the WWE learned how to do things properly and not injure either themselves or whoever they are working with (Batista and Jeff Hardy being key names here) Because of your Human Illiteracy when it comes to this you must realise We would rather have Wrestlers grow old and be like Ric Flair and Hulk Hogan than to be guys like Davey Boy and Eddie Guerrero who died well to soon.




This is not in terms of Bulking up to look good it is to protect him from the more dangerous moves as a layer of fat cushions blows. It is also so that Jericho falls into the heavyweight category, 225 pounds and above most of that will be muscle due to him working out rather than being on the juice.

Hulk never juiced? Well GEEEESSs! your comments are ignored due to this fact. But do they need to 'roid it up? yes. Bigger the better. Is it good? no bad. Very bad. But you take the risk to make millions. have you ever placed a bet?

 

[Shadowmancer]

Hulk never juiced? Well GEEEESSs! your comments are ignored due to this fact. But do they need to 'roid it up? yes. Bigger the better. Is it good? no bad. Very bad. But you take the risk to make millions. have you ever placed a bet?

I was not saying that Hogan never Juiced. I was using him as an example of a Guy that has grown old and has been in the Wrestling Industry. I probably should have used Sammartino but people probably won't know who he is anymore. No they do not need to roid it up. That is ignorance of fact, The larger you are the more you draw is fact but they do not have to juice, Andre never juiced he was the biggest draw ever prior to Hogan. I have placed many bets I just choose them based on the best odds for myself rather than taking the long shot if there is little chance of it coming off. Longshots work if they have a good chance with people writing them off. Im going to guess that you are an American as the idea of a perfectly sculpted phisique meaning you can draw is a peculiarity of American Professional wrestling, it is a measure of US society as a whole because of the way in which the 80's Vinice Beach (Sp?) culture overtook and has stayed in Pro Wrestling.

 

[kaihorro]

i am all for the wellness policy because it is eliminating steroids and other peforemance enhancing drugs from the sport, not only that but they also do cardio tests aswell and if they didnt have this in place they would not have found mvp's heart condition (i think it's wolf white syndrome or something along the lines of) and is making the roster healthier. They do need more time off thought especialy with them doing more cross brand television, but the house show gates will suffer for it

 

[hurrican5547]

While Kabby's "human illteracy" shows when he talks about steroids as recovering, and you so respectly told him he was wrong... I'm pretty sure excessive painkillers are also a violation of the wellness policy... the last time i checked, painkillers are a major part of wrestlers lives and recovery... and i'm pretty sure this means that it will affect their wrestling style. Yea....

 

[Shadowmancer]

I never made any point about Excessive painkiller taking, I know this resulted in the termination of Joey Matthews' (Mercury) contract with the WWE, Steroids are a substance that the WWE can help them get off of through sending the Wrestlers to Rehab which is what they did to Matthews and Mordesky but they failed other tests and then proceeded to get fired for them. Sarcasm also doesn't get you places hurrican5547, Human illiteracy is the best term I could come up with to say the ignorance of fact in that case, when the guy is advocating the use of Steroids in what people want to see gotten rid of. Painkillers are possibly even more of a problem in Wrestling but as it is an Addictive substance as opposed to one that people do so they can work out for far longer than a human body should be able to, which wears out musculature and causes more problems, look at Superstar Billy Graham and Tom Billington both of whom can either barely walk or can't walk respectively. Painkillers are less of a problem in that case as they can be rehabed so they aren't addicted to the substance.

 

[Attack]

I'm sick of wrestlers and also fans saying steroids are okay in wrestling because it's not real. Well for one thing, steroids are dangerous. Look at all those guys who died at young ages that we've been hearing so much about for the past few months. That alone is a reason to get rid of roids completely.

Also, someone earlier said that all of the great moments, like Foley falling off the cell and Edge spearing Hardy while hanging 20 feet in the air, would only be able to happen because of the guys doing steroids. I don't agree with that at all. For one, look at all the guys who did those things. I mean, Foley and Jeff Hardy never did roids (I'm pretty sure) and that's because they don't need to. They're fighting styles don't require them to pick up 250+ men. And Edge was on roids for a little while, but I think he's just as good with out them. In fact, most of the wrestlers who are jacked on roids (in my opinion) suck.

Pro-Wrestlers just need to realize that wrestling is about performing and entertainment, not who has the biggest muscles. Plus, guys like McMahon need to get "the look" out of their heads. Yeah, Vince can say he doesn't favor big guys all he wants, but we all know he does. How else could you explain why he loves guys like Khali and Snitsky so much, while I've yet to hear from one person who likes either of them. Vince needs to set an example for the wrestling world and start favoring talent, not size. If I ever became a pro-wrestler, I would hope I'd be able to make it big with in-ring ability, not with huge muscles.

 

[kabby420]

o.k first of all you can call me whatever you want, ignorant is the best possible word for it because reading my post what i was trying to say didn't come across properly. I agree that steroids are bad.. i agree that they end lives pre maturely i understand all of this. But what you don't seem to understand about steroids is that some are used for muscle tissue repair in muscles in order to gain the muscle mass.... when you work out you tear your muscles which allows them to grow... right? well when these guys take roids it's sometimes to repair muscle tissue damage and nerve damage that could come as a result of the tissue damage. not all steroids are just to look good... it's to progress the work that's already being done on the body. i think certain drugs, when controlled are helpful for the wrestlers, we can't even begin to understand what these guys through on a regular basis, their bodies go through hell... more then what a normal human goes through. so to say they need help in regulating their bodies and minimizing the injuries isn't that wrong?... is it?

Now when it comes to how these people's lives were ended (EG,LUGER,SMITH) everyone knew there was a problem with these guys, you look at them and you can see they were all messed up, WWE should have stepped in and gave them the rehab and taken them off of drugs for good. because it is still people's lives we are talking about here. As for benoit, well i'm not gunna get into that, who knows what really happened? NO ONE...ONLY CHRIS DOES. but all the deaths we all saw comming you can plainly see they were abusing.

the bottom line to it all is performance enhancing drugs are bad when abused but when used for the proper reasons and properly supervised can be helpful. because remember any type of substance that is used and abused is bad for you.... they say drink milk...well if you drink to much of it, you get kydney stones that can lead to serious infections and even cause failure of your kidneys. lol

and just to clarify as well foley did use painkillers as did hardy.

 

[Attack]

Yeah, I agree with the whole "performance enhancing drugs can be beneficial when not abused" debate. It's just whenever people think of steroids and wrestling, they just think of muscle growth, and not for treatment. That's probably because we always hear about wrestlers just getting prescriptions to take roids, then abusing them.

Also, almost every wrestler has to take painkillers at times in their career, seeing how they put their body through hell. As long as they use them sparingly and only when needed, painkillers are fine, unless wrestlers start taking them constantly. I just think wrestlers need to stop taking steroids just for looks.

 

[Big Fella]

Kabby, I feel you contradicted yourself pretty severely in your last post.

You are essentially correct. When you lift heavily how many of these guys do, you isolate muscles and essentially over-work them for periods of time. The isolated muscles grow, so the next time they are asked to complete the task they were asked to do, they will be better prepared.

The steroid use to help heel these muscles to gain mass is exactly the kind of use that is abusive.

Steroids can have a positive use in medical situations, such as returning from injury to help seriously damaged muscles.

As far as using steroids to help recover from workouts, that is what already happens and that is done to help build mass. That is not ok.

 

[hurrican5547]

I think Kabby is trying to say can see the use of steroids as a preventative measure, correct? From what i get from his posts, he feels the benefits of the quickly healing muscle mass is the keep enough muscle around to act as a cushion against bumps and such. While i don't agree with the use of steroids at all, i can see why some wrestlers would turn to it, they are constantly traveling, basicaly non-stop from what i've heard, working out daily to keep them in the peak shape needed to perform has to be extremly hard

 

[Meilichia]

So basically what your saying is... Because being a wrestler is so hard its alright for them to pump themselves full of steroids so that it hurts less, and causes less injuries? ... If you have ever watched or read anything about wrestling and steroids you would have heard that wrestlers did not use it as a prevention method but they basically knew they would go further and get paid more if they where the big, muscular power house. Which up till rather recently was still true, and only really changed with the whole Benoit thing, where now, look at every champion in the WWE... CM Punk, Orton, Jeff Hardy, Matt Hardy, MVP... etc (besides Batista... but wonder why that is hmm) None of these guys have that big huge figure because thats the impression the WWE wants to give now as the steroids thing blows over. Which it will, and it won't be long till it goes back to the way it was, at best the wellness policy will last all of a couple of years.