A list of reasons regarding why you should stop bitching

The PG rating style of wrestling is fine. They had to move on from the Attitude Era eventually. Nothing lasts forever as some of you have said.

It's all about entertainment obviously and while most people miss the blood and chair shots to the head. We all know that wrestling is hard on the body. No need to risk further head and neck injuries through head shots.Their bodies get enough punishment day in and day out in the ring. And while some people disagree with the way I see things, to me it's about wanting the wrestlers to stay as healthy as possible.
 
So I may be a little rusty cause this is my first reply since the end of spring but the topic headline was just too interesting to avoid. I agree with you that there are alot of things that WWE is doing right in the PG era that goes back to 2008 til now, though I am disheartened when I see Natalya relegated to valet duty. Unfortunately though WWE does take a lot of steps back whenever they do something good. Like unnecessarily squeezing together the PPV calendar with Bragging Rights/HIAC and Summerslam packed together so tightly in 2009. Also, the unnecessary image changes to the shows both TV and PPV are laughable. I mean you don't have to actually cite the name of the feature match of certain PPV's in order to talk down to your fans (PPVs named Elimination Chamber and Hell in a Cell). Now I know your gonna retort with something about "Survivor Series" I don't have a reply for that so I'll just say "point well taken". Also who is the WWE trying to fool by keeping up the facade that seperate TV brands is a good thing for the overall product? At best each show has 2 good angles which compares to 5 good angles possibly and 1 great championship angle you'd see for the World Championship before the brands were seperated.

So yes you do have a good point that WWE does get it right, but unlike a dozen years ago their successes never outmatch their failures
 
Not the PG era rant again, fine here we go again:

The last time the WWE(WWF) was PG they produced the following:
The Nation of Domination
DX
Austin
Sunny running around
Goldust
The Hart Foundation
Mankind
...never mind the countless other things to happen in 1997 leading up to Austin winning the belt.... and yes check it up all of that was within a PG rating.

The PG rating has nothing to do with anything, its just an argument people keep bringing up time and time again without a damn clue.
The Attitude Era/After Attitude Era (the only time the WWF/WWE was not PG) wasn't all that great. It had it very bad moments from Mae Young's hand to well Mae Young in general. It was far from perfect as everyone imagines it to be.
People bang on about the ban on blood and chair shots to the head.... it has nothing to do with the PG rating. Both were banned due to health reasons and quite right too. Do we really need it? Well blood can enhance a character, just look at Austin in the sharpshooter for an good example. As for the chair shots, you can't even argue against the ban. It was the correct thing to do in the light of Benoit and the research done.
The problem lies with three factors
1) The fans themselves, the small minority want the old days when the company is pushing for the future. The fans want something, then complain about it the next day because it wasn't 100% the way they wanted it.
2) The creative team just out and out sucks. It was like that way before the WWE turned PG again. Title belts have become a joke, the midcard is weak and the tag division is a joke and weak. However this isn't all down to creative and leads me to the third factor
3) The brand split, yes many people like it because it allows no talent to come to the front (For those people, watch Raw clearly isnt working). The creative team have to use two ideas up and repeat the same ideas for both brands. Chances are Smackdown will have a 6 pack challenge too. Putting the brands back together, the WWE can lose the deadwood focus on the storylines and solves the midcard, tag team, womens division issues because there is a plenty of talent there. If the creavity is there and it is, then it shouldn't be an issue. Do we really care if Hornswoggle is never used again, that wrestlers have breaks as there is enough talent on that show to put on a good show and son on.

Overall if you think the PG rating affects the product, you really shouldn't comment on anything.
 
The biggest problem with the situation is their is a good chunk of people that like to imagine they know everything about the business and nobody else is allowed to think for themselves. I have never had an issue with any WWE show until i stumbled upon the IWC world which is why i tend not to read many threads or rumor mills. I find it way easier to enjoy when i dont allow others to tell me what to like or watch. I am all for pointing out flaws to better something but most people only do it to say another thing is better. Really though who are we kidding, this is never going to change because their is to many know it alls and to few logical thinking minds.
 
The biggest problem with the situation is their is a good chunk of people that like to imagine they know everything about the business and nobody else is allowed to think for themselves. I have never had an issue with any WWE show until i stumbled upon the IWC world which is why i tend not to read many threads or rumor mills. I find it way easier to enjoy when i dont allow others to tell me what to like or watch. I am all for pointing out flaws to better something but most people only do it to say another thing is better. Really though who are we kidding, this is never going to change because their is to many know it alls and to few logical thinking minds.

Neither do I. Neither does JGlass. Our point is that there have been many good things happening in the WWE and others should not bitch about how the product is bad, because it's not.
 
Reading this thread while listening "Best of you" is an awesome feeling.

I was reading this, and my head still hurts for shaking in agreement so much... those were truly mark-out moments, just like the Attitude Era did, but it's like being said here, all good things must come to an end, and that happened. The PG era is the new era, but it's still an era, and isn't any less of an era that the Attitude Era was.

These moments is what makes me watch WWE Progamming every week, and I love it, no matter what anyone says about it.

Good Thread, and Rep for you.
 
Great thread, i'll be biased and say you should of put the jomo rey feud on there, but yeah. I really hate all the bitching and moaning about PG era, does the E need to get a stick out of their ass, yes, does the E need to adapt to the current business climate, most certainly, and they're doing it.
The reason fast foods and brand are popular right now, is because they were kid popular 15 years ago, WWE is being genius (although a bit diabolical) and getting young fans that will stay fans for life (t-shirt sales don't hurt either)
PG era is just that, an era, and era's don't last forever, so don't worry about it
 
Look, I get where the OP and a few other posters r comin from, I just think that some of you miss the point. As for me and Im sure many other Attitude Era fans, we're not complainin about the product nowadays because it lacks blood, sex, etc. (although I do feel that blood can and does help tell a story in certain matches, like Hell In A Cell, for example), it's about how the quality of the shows have declined since the end of the attitude era.

1st off, the storylines. Yes, they may have had some stupid ones here and there and some storylines that made u go "What the fuck r they doin?" But all in all, the AE had some of the rawest, most unpredictable storylines imaginable. It truly gave you a feeling that anything could happen to anybody at anytime. Nowadays you have storylines so predictable that you could call how they were gonna end, and 7 times outta 10, you would be right. Yes the Nexus storyline is a great storyline, but I honestly see that story fallin flat in the coming months, mainly due to Super Cena overcoming the odds...again and gettin a decisive victory over Nexus after taking a fuckin DDT on CONCRETE, as well as what looks like the group possibly deteriorating and going against each other.

Also, the matches were fuckin sick in the AE. Some of the best matches on some random Raw or Smackdown back then could hang with some of the best matches on a PPV now. Even before the AE kicked in, you still had matches that were goddamn epic. Not sayin you dont have good matches now, its just that they r few and far between these days. Random side note: that is why Im a TNA fan, because you can say what you want about the booking, but the talent excels in putting on top quality matches. And you just dont get that in WWE today.

It's like this, as far as I'm concerned WWE can be TV-Y for all I care, as long as it retained the quality it once had, and that's something that aint happening today. I mean, a PG rating is no excuse for things like a weak Divas division, an all but nonexistent Tag Team division, secondary titles that barely mean shit, and corny as fuck storylines (i.e. that whole michael cole gm e-mail "and I quote..." bullshit). Hell, WWF was PG n the 80s and they didnt have alot of the problems they have today.
 
great moments and im going to say michaels vs undertaker 1 was the best match ive ever seen and i was watching wrestling just as the past PG rating was coming to an end and am an attidue guy all the way, but i was up for a change from attitude and ruthless aggression eras. i do like some of the stuff that they have going right now as everyone would agree THE NEXUS, but if you guys looked this past monday on raw john cena said that that black dude was the weakest link and look what happens he gets cena and gets kicked out, i believe cena has something to do with nexus, but thats beside the point back to the thread.



i sometimes think wwe is going to far to make there kids in the crowd happy for john cena to come out on top at summerslam so the fans wouldnt go home crying but having them come out on top would have dare i say this wanting to watch john cena the next night on raw. PG has its moments keep the current product with no chairs no blood no cursing even though i admit jericho yelling out your a stupid man to cena is just ridiculous but maybe add a little more edge because i believe if they have john cena lose cleanely in a match that it would make us all want to see the next night on raw or next week what hes going to do. it needs a little bit of edgyness to it but its fine right now but like many people say you cant recreate and era but look what there doing to cena as trying to make him the next hogan (cant be done) so im sure if theyre trying to pull another pg era then im sure when these kids grow up in the next five years we might see a new attitude era but not as good as the previous. the pg era is ok but not good or great and some say all good things must come to an end. im deeply afraid of this ok product not ending unless the kids grow up and get sick of super cena but has alot of fans right now so idk maybe well see a change in the next 3-5 years but this is ok, i bash it but after this like one kid said it now ends because of what randy has going on and also the miz and im huge on wade barret. this is ok product but not great but im still here watching.
 
The reason that the "pg" era sucks is not because the Attitude Era was great. It is simply just because it sucks... I have not watched Raw for the last 4 weeks... I just can't take it anymore... Nexus is NOTHING like the nWo was... Nexus is not believable. You show up and destroy Monday Night Raw, John Cena, and even BEAT UP THE OWNER OF THE COMPANY, and how does Nexus get rewarded??? They are given contracts??? I just shut the tv off... No more reason to watch Raw. It is beyond idiotic... I was not a fan of the Attitude Era, so I thought Austin beating up McMahon was pretty ******ed too... I was a nWo fan... And a Flair and Sting fan... The nWo was believable because the guy who was running the company ( Bischoff) was the one behind the nWo... The in ring work of today's product is okay, but how can you compare anything on Raw to the Motor City Machine Guns and Beer Money fued??? TNA does a lot of things wrong, probably more so than the WWE, but come on people, let's just be honest here...
 
The reason that the "pg" era sucks is not because the Attitude Era was great. It is simply just because it sucks... I have not watched Raw for the last 4 weeks... I just can't take it anymore... Nexus is NOTHING like the nWo was... Nexus is not believable. You show up and destroy Monday Night Raw, John Cena, and even BEAT UP THE OWNER OF THE COMPANY, and how does Nexus get rewarded??? They are given contracts??? I just shut the tv off... No more reason to watch Raw. It is beyond idiotic... I was not a fan of the Attitude Era, so I thought Austin beating up McMahon was pretty ******ed too... I was a nWo fan... And a Flair and Sting fan... The nWo was believable because the guy who was running the company ( Bischoff) was the one behind the nWo... The in ring work of today's product is okay, but how can you compare anything on Raw to the Motor City Machine Guns and Beer Money fued??? TNA does a lot of things wrong, probably more so than the WWE, but come on people, let's just be honest here...


Thank you. I was reading the replies starting from page one and was getting pretty nervous. It seemed as if this is a thread about how people can make themselves feel better about the crappy product WWE has put off for some years now.

I wouldn't care if WWE was rated Awesome, it's still a terribly boring product to me. The matches for the most part are very lackluster, yet they toss in a guy who does a SSP or 450 here and there and fans ignore the overall downfall of the product. Yes, they're making money, but since when does profit correlate to quality when it comes to entertainment?

This isn't to say people SHOULDN'T enjoy WWE, but as a long time wrestling fan (not just mainstream TV wrestling either), it is unbearable to watch 99% of the time. But that's just me, maybe I'm one of those few that just doesn't understand what good wrestling is :lmao:
 
John Cena is one of the main reasons I hate WWE so anything he does is void as far as a reason to like the show. I know I am not the only person who agrees with me on this one. There's a whole thread on hear about people who complain about him.

I know I am almost completely alone in this but I physically HATE Ric Flair. The crap he spewed off about ECW and Mick Foley was beyond arrogant and rude.

I didnt see the y2j hbk match so I have nothing to say. However I do like both superstars.

Natalya is nothing special.

Summerslam 2008 - okay ill give you that one.

Hardy is one of my all time favorite wrestlers and have been since I started watching wrestling again around 1998. So his rise to WWE champion is one thing that I am actually happy to see. Now if only they'd push him for it in TNA.

Orton is a self-involved ego maniac who thinks everybody else in the world isn't worth his time. I have friends who claim that he is the same in real life. I hate people like that, there is very little joy watching him.

HBK vs Taker at last years WM was intense. There were a lot of different times when I thought maybe HBK would win. But it would have been way more epic 10 years ago (well.. after he went back to the dark side.)

Rey Mysterio Jr. was an amazing competitor and really fun to watch, I have a lot of respect for him. But they pushed him for the World Title after Eddie died and ever sense then he has been less and less interesting.

CM Punks new character is horrible. I can't stand him. I wonder if he really feels this way as some straight edge do. I doubt it. However, I do like his wrestling skills. I want him back in TNA though.

The Miz? Are you serious? I wont even go into this one.

Batista sucks as a wrestler. He has little skill and only was accepted because he is huge. He wasn't as good as people think he is on the mic either.

Kofi is a good enough wrestler I guess...

Sheamus winning the title was good. Sheamus is a personal favorite, but just about anyone taking the title form Cena is good in my eyes.

Yeah both Rhodes and Dibiase are overrated. I stand by the ideal that they would be nothing if it where not for their fathers.

WWECW should never of existed. I've watched one episode of NXT from season one and hated it. NXT is crap. Nexus is crap. But this too is another thread.

HBK leaving - Why is one of the best wrestlers in the business a good thing?

Oh haha Sheamus looks like a clown.........

Swagger is nothing special. He's another ego maniac. There's nothing interesting about his character.

Kane winning the title is good. He was much overdue. Would have been a lot better if he won it years ago.

The Miz? Are you serious? (really?)

Whoopdie-doo....

Basically even the things that were good from the last few years are still not even to make it great and if it was stuff that happened years ago there's no doubt it would have been better. I don't like most of the people that are on the show now. Nice try on this one but it's still not enough.
 
Ouuuuu the haters are in. This is going to be fun. :)

Hey, all the haters out there, wanna know something? If you don't like WWE so much, then I got 4 words for you; DON'T FUCKING WATCH WWE! You don't like it? Then shutup and stop complaining.

While the above poster says that mostly all the events that JGlass listed are a "whoopdie-do...", I think that they are all good. Actually, most people think they're all good. Alright, so according to him, Batista sucks, The Miz is not awesome, Orton is an ego-maniac (In real life too, according to friends :icon_neutral:), as well as Swagger, CM Punk is horrible...wait what? You think that CM Punk's character is horrible? Buddy, he's the best heel on Smackdown!, he was boring and stale and annoying before his heel push.

Then some other guy said that the profit doesn't really matter to us, the quality does. Well, did you even read JGlass' post? You wanna know what good wrestling is? Okay, I'll tell you, good wrestling is about putting on great matches, awesome PPV's, and great story lines. You know what? I agree, not all PPV's were completely awesome, but what we're trying to say is that you shouldn't just look for bad qualities in wrestling, you should look for good ones, if not, then go watch TNA.

THEN, another dude said wrestling sucks because it sucks. Great reason buddy. I agree, Nexus is NOTHING like the nWo, but it's still something. How could you say they're not believable. Tell me you expected Nexus to come down that Monday night and destroy Cena. You can't, cause NO ONE in the IWC knew. The Nexus is the greatest thing that has ever happened to us in about a year. Nexus attacked basically EVERYONE on the RAW roster. That's pretty believable to me. (Plus, it's PG). I think you have hearing problems. Wade Barret had the contract and then WWE management took it away. So Nexus went and beat up everybody until management gave them contracts. I think your mis-understanding the STORY in s-t-o-r-y line.

Feel free to add on to my post.
Ignore my comedy, btw.
 
THEN, another dude said wrestling sucks because it sucks. Great reason buddy. I agree, Nexus is NOTHING like the nWo, but it's still something. How could you say they're not believable. Tell me you expected Nexus to come down that Monday night and destroy Cena. You can't, cause NO ONE in the IWC knew. The Nexus is the greatest thing that has ever happened to us in about a year. Nexus attacked basically EVERYONE on the RAW roster. That's pretty believable to me. (Plus, it's PG). I think you have hearing problems. Wade Barret had the contract and then WWE management took it away. So Nexus went and beat up everybody until management gave them contracts. I think your mis-understanding the STORY in s-t-o-r-y line.

Isha, you just don't get it... Nexus coming in on Raw and destroying the set and John Cena was completely unexpected... And I never said that it wasn't... However, Nexus being rewarded for everything that they have done is mind numbingly idiotic... THEY KICK THE HOLY HELL OUT OF THE OWNER OF THE COMPANY, and they STILL were given contracts... This might be hard for you to grasp, but imagined you owned a Wal-Mart store and one day 7 guys came in and kicked the crap out of you, and destroyed everything in your store, and beat up your best employee... WOULD YOU THEN GO AND HIRE THEM??? Are you f*cking serious??? I think that I would press charges and probably have extra security around to make sure that I didn't get my ass kicked again... duh. This is why the Nexus storyline is stupid... Vince McMahon would never hire these guys in real life... However, the WWE "sheep" will overlook ANYTHING and justify EVERYTHING that their beloved WWE does... Do you realize that the ratings and pay-per view buyrates the WWE is doing now is almost the same that WCW was doing during the last year of it's existence??? Most everyone would agree that WCW was pretty bad during that last year under Vince Russo... Why do you think it is so important for the WWE to keep Cena as a "face" for them to keep selling purple t-shirts and wristbands??? This is not about being a WWE hater... This is a pro wrestling fan who wants to be proud of the fact that I love pro wrestling...Don't you get that??? Your response to me is to change the channel... I have... In fact, WWE has lost more than half of their audience within the last 8 years... Looks like many people have changed the channel...


You say to not complain about Raw... You tell me to change the channel... I have changed the channel... I do not watch it anymore... The thing is is that I want to watch it, because I am a pro wrestling fan, but I cannot let my brain be insulted by the current product anymore... Don't you understand that??? Why is that so hard for all of the people who have their head stuck up Vince McMahon's ass to understand... Get real, people...
 
However, Nexus being rewarded for everything that they have done is mind numbingly idiotic... THEY KICK THE HOLY HELL OUT OF THE OWNER OF THE COMPANY, and they STILL were given contracts... This might be hard for you to grasp, but imagined you owned a Wal-Mart store and one day 7 guys came in and kicked the crap out of you, and destroyed everything in your store, and beat up your best employee... WOULD YOU THEN GO AND HIRE THEM??? Are you f*cking serious??? I think that I would press charges and probably have extra security around to make sure that I didn't get my ass kicked again... duh. This is why the Nexus storyline is stupid... Vince McMahon would never hire these guys in real life... However, the WWE "sheep" will overlook ANYTHING and justify EVERYTHING that their beloved WWE does... Do you realize that the ratings and pay-per view buyrates the WWE is doing now is almost the same that WCW was doing during the last year of it's existence??? Most everyone would agree that WCW was pretty bad during that last year under Vince Russo... Why do you think it is so important for the WWE to keep Cena as a "face" for them to keep selling purple t-shirts and wristbands??? This is not about being a WWE hater... This is a pro wrestling fan who wants to be proud of the fact that I love pro wrestling.

Again, you're taking the 'story' out of story line. You're right, if this was real, Vince would have never hired them. But, since this is a 'story line', Nexus had to be hired because the destroyed everything and they demanded contracts, and if they weren't given the contracts, then they would destroy some more. Therefore, the GM gave them contracts.

I get what your saying with that whole Wal-Mart example, but that's REAL LIFE, not a story. If this whole Nexus storyline was real, then they would have been arrested by now. But since this is NOT REALITY, they don't call the police. Is that so hard to get?

Look at this like a comic book, Batman (Cena) is fighting Joker (Nexus). Comic books aren't reality, this whole storyline is not reality. WWE is a show to ESCAPE reality. So, the Nexus storyline, is not as stupid as you think.

I find it ironic that you leave out everything else JGlass said, and only stick to the Nexus storyline.

You want to watch RAW? Change the channel back in 5 years, you'll get your 'Better RAW' back.
 
Really? I have to be the one to rip this one apart? *Sigh*.. Alright, here goes

John Cena is one of the main reasons I hate WWE so anything he does is void as far as a reason to like the show. I know I am not the only person who agrees with me on this one. There's a whole thread on hear about people who complain about him.
I rip on Cena also, but you know what, he draws. Do you hear the crowd silent? No. They either cheer, or boo, that is what Vince wants. The kids eat it up, every word of it, and thats all that matters. Not you, not me, not anyone but the kids.

I know I am almost completely alone in this but I physically HATE Ric Flair. The crap he spewed off about ECW and Mick Foley was beyond arrogant and rude.
ECW was like TNA now, you either love it, or hate it. Flair said his personal opinion. You have to remember that he is old school. Flair started wrestling before 90% of the IWC was born. Hell, before 80% of the WWE roster was born! So for some promotion to come in, and change everything he knows and loves, it upset him (Hmm.. sounds a lot like the people complaining about the PG Era!)
I didnt see the y2j hbk match so I have nothing to say. However I do like both superstars.
An all around great match. A must see for you since you said you have not, I highly recomend it.

Natalya is nothing special.
You kidding me?? In wrestling ability, she is the best Woman in the WWE, and could probably out wrestle most of the men as well. Not only is she great in the ring, (which you wouldnt guess since we dont see it much) but she is HOTT.

Hardy is one of my all time favorite wrestlers and have been since I started watching wrestling again around 1998. So his rise to WWE champion is one thing that I am actually happy to see. Now if only they'd push him for it in TNA.
You bash Cena, yet love Jeff? im sorry, but i will cheer for Cena over Hardy any day. Hardy is a shell of the man he use to be. 3 chances and you're out. He blew his. Cena actually makes a good Role Model compared to Jeff, and TNA doesnt need him as champion, should focus on building stars, instead of trying to save the career of one who threw his away.

Orton is a self-involved ego maniac who thinks everybody else in the world isn't worth his time. I have friends who claim that he is the same in real life. I hate people like that, there is very little joy watching him.
But again, Orton draws. Fans love to see him. HBK was an egotistical ASSHOLE in the 90's, yet is loved by all today? Hogan and Flair are a few more to name. You didnt mention that Orton is also a good leader in the back, even gaining the praises of Undertaker for the role he plays in the back with everyone.

HBK vs Taker at last years WM was intense. There were a lot of different times when I thought maybe HBK would win. But it would have been way more epic 10 years ago (well.. after he went back to the dark side.)
They been there did that. A few times. The reason it was so great now, was due to the fact that they were the last of the "old guys" from the 90's left. 2 of the biggest Icon's in WWE history, thats why it was bigger now, compared to say.. the first Hell in a Cell.

CM Punks new character is horrible. I can't stand him. I wonder if he really feels this way as some straight edge do. I doubt it. However, I do like his wrestling skills. I want him back in TNA though.
ARE YOU KIDDING ME?? Punk is an AMAZING Heel now. Best work of his career is right now. His promo's are the best Smackdown has at the moment, and in the WWE overall right now, Promo ability goes Jericho, then Punk IMO. and WHY put him back in TNA? he was not used well there the first time!

The Miz? Are you serious? I wont even go into this one.
Yes Miz. Why not? One of the hardest workers in the WWE, both in AND out of the ring. Really a great success story, and i look forward to seeing where things go from here.

Batista sucks as a wrestler. He has little skill and only was accepted because he is huge. He wasn't as good as people think he is on the mic either.
I'll agree on all of that except the Mic skills. As a heel in his last run, he was promo gold. When he talked, it was real, the jealousy, the hate, the anger. It was so believable, and really enjoyed that Feud with Cena from a promo/Entertainment stand point.

Kofi is a good enough wrestler I guess...
I'm not even going to start explaining how this is wrong, Kofi is an amazing athlete, and is starting to really develpoe his character. Expect great things to come from him.

Basically even the things that were good from the last few years are still not even to make it great and if it was stuff that happened years ago there's no doubt it would have been better. I don't like most of the people that are on the show now. Nice try on this one but it's still not enough.

You saying Nexus would have been better years ago? Umm... NWO? WCW/ECW? Same thing, both of them failed. Nexus has not. Those were all established stars, where as the Nexus is rookies who got tired of the abuse and fought back. Love the angle. HBK/'Taker has been done in the past, but it was WAY better now. Orton vs the McMahon family was pure gold. SES is longer lasting, and draws way more heat from the crowd then the Ministry ever did. so to quote you my friend, "Nice try on this one but it's still not enough."
 
Storyline-wise, i feel that WWE has become so much better than it was in say 2007. There's been at least one epic fued every year, and someone has risen from mid-card nobody to a somebody thanks to work being done with the established ME'ers.

The ban on chair shots to the head hasn't affected any of the matches really, weapons still play a predominant part in WWE matches, but avoiding the odd concussion and possible brain hemorage is certainly more important than getting a pop for smashing someone in the skull with a chair.

But there are certain aspects of WWE television that i don't like, and they contribute to why i don't watch WWE on a weekly basis, and only watch the PPVs now.

1. Stopping matches due to blood.

I've no problem with the 'no blood' rule. Having wrestlers bleed didn't draw me into a match any further than a match that didn't involve blood, it just made me think 'surely he should have passed out by now?'

But what does piss me off is when we're having a great PPV match and it stops for 5 minutes while they clean up a cut above someone's eye. The two examples i can think of are Christian v Shelton in their ECW ladder match a while back, and Rey v Punk during their hair v mask match. Both matches were ruined by stopping to clean up small cuts on Christian and Punk and the crowd let them know how angry they were, and you can even see the wrestlers themselves getting pissed off with it. Punk eventually got so pissed off with the trainer taking so long to clean him up, that he basically just said 'fuck it', shoved the trainer aside, and carried on while he was still bleeding, and that made me respect Punk 1000x more for doing that.

People bleed, it's a fact, why do they insist on pretending it isn't a fact? Why are they trying to make it look like no one gets seriously hurt in wrestling while at the same time saying 'DO NOT TRY THIS'. Surely it's contradictory?

I saw jglass commented on this already. No it doesn't ruin a show, but it does ruin excellent matches like the 2 examples i gave.

2. Current WWE's mid card.

It's a giant clusterfuck. Sorry it really is. It seems as though nobody out of the ME tier actually has any desire to actually get out of being squashed week in and week out and think that because they have a contract, that they're contractually obliged to get pushes.

No one seems to care about being the tag champs, no one seems to care about being the US champ, and only the guys who've ever held the World belts or are MiTB winners, seem to care about them either!

In the attitude era, the mid-card champions used to have entire divisions of guys coming after them, and the champs would talk as if their title belt was the most important belt in wrestling history, and the challengers talked as if that belt was the only one worth winning.

Jeff Jarret used to constantly bang on about being IC champion.
Crash Holly was obsessed with being the Hardcore champion.
D'lo Brown and William Regal would talk about the European Championship as if it were the holy grail.
There used to be 8 tag teams having multi-team matches to determine new #1 contenders for the tag belts on a regular basis. Now we're lucky if more than one established tag team exists at the same time for more than 3 months.

When was the last time you even heard a mid-card champion talk about their belt other than simply saying 'I'm the IC champion'?

In 2000, every match had a fued to go with it, and if it didn't it usually ended with someone getting attacked by the person they were fueding with. Now it seems that if you're not a ME talent, you're not worthy of even having a fued. And if you are, you have to wait until there's a ME'er free to have it with. God forbid we should see an actual fued develop between Kofi and Dolph instead of just 2 or 3 IC belt matches.

3. I'm fed up with this guest host shit and constant chopping and changing of the GMs. With no authority figure to rebel against, they are missing out on a huge opportunity to elevate a mid-carder. Look what it did for Austin. Look how much Orton's popularity shot up when he started attacking McMahon family members. Why have they abandoned the one storyline that is easiest for crowds to relate to?

Otherwise, yes i agree with everyone else who's said that the PG era is no where near as bad as most people moan about, but it's not perfect by any means. But you can't blame that on PG ratings, only Vince and his writers.
 
I'm bumping this thread because I noticed a slight increase in PG whining lately.

If this is your first time reading this thread, go back to page one and read my first post for a list of great moments that have happened since the beginning of the PG Era (circa 2008) to Summerslam 2010. I'm going to add to that list everything I can remember happening post Summerslam 2010 since a lot of good stuff has happened within the parameters of the PG program. With Royal Rumble coming up, I'm sure the will be even more to add to this list very shortly.

And as always, if I left something off, make sure you let me and the rest of Wrestlezone know.

Koztino comes into existence- If you don't love Santino, you need to check yourself for a pulse. This dude is a barrel of laughs and he NEVER fails to deliver. Putting him with the stoic Slav in Kozlov seems like an odd move, but the dynamic between the two has been perfect. Santino's goofy personality and Kozlov's deadly serious personality make for one of the best tag teams we have seen in recent years. They are funny in their backstage segments, in ring segments, and even when they wrestle. On a similar note...

Santino debuts The Cobra- Professional wrestling has always had an odd obsession with snakes (because it's not homo-erotic enough), including Damien, Jake Robert's pet snake, The Texas Rattlesnake Stone Cold Steve Austin, and The Viper Randy Orton. Santino has never really performed on the same level as any of those men, but he has carved out his own niche in the wrestling snake community with The Cobra. The move is odd to say the least, and it seems to be dependent on the way he readies his hand for the strike, but it has been proven to be devastating. There's no denying that while this move might not be the most impressive display of athleticism, it's certainly a fun way to end a match.

The Women's and Diva's championship is unified- This means less divas matches. As long as Maryse keeps dressing the way she does, I'm all for that.

Daniel Bryan puts on only good matches- Has the dude put on a single bad match since he's gotten to the WWE? With two exceptions (the odd Sheamus beat down and his short match with Morrison a few weeks ago), the answer is a resounding no. Every time Daniel Bryan gets into the ring, magic happens. He's not the biggest guy, but his energy, dedication, and ability to make any move look devastating helps him be one of the most entertaining wrestlers on the WWE roster.

Edge wages the War on Stupid- A really funny if not short-lived angle where Edge declared war on anything he deemed stupid. The two things that seemed to annoy Edge the most were the Swagger Soaring Eagle and The Laptop. Say what you will about his beatdown of the laptop, but that was one of the best segments all year. The computer voice saying, "You've got them crazy eyes," the fact he hit it with a chair after he had already broken the thing, the whole HAL theme going on, it was just fantastic. His war with Swagger wasn't half bad either. The War on Stupid was definitely a shout out to the IWC, the group that complains about stupid talking computers and mascots, so quit complaining about how the WWE doesn't listen to you.

Cena joins Nexus- Let's start with the match at Hell in a Cell. The stipulation was that if Cena lost the match, he had to join Nexus, but if he won, Nexus would disband. The match itself was good, but not great. The ending, however, was amazing. A random fan seemed to make his way into the ring, and I honestly thought it was just a crazy fan. Cena, who let up on Wade Barrett whom was all but beaten, got blind sided by a mysterious stranger, and Wade Barrett capitalized on the interference to get the win. It became obvious that it was a ploy by Nexus to win the match, and it worked. The time Cena spent with Nexus was a tumultuous to say the least. At the beginning he attempted to bring Nexus down from the inside, at times he helped Wade Barrett cheat to win, and sometimes he was simply their coffee bitch. The whole angle was extremely intriguing and even a little heart-wrenching as one of the best superstars that the WWE has ever seen was stuck playing a support role to one of the evilest factions in WWE history.

Kaval wins NXT Season 2- I though Alex Riley deserved to win it, but you won't hear me complaining about Kaval being the winner. Your welcome IWC, it appears your voice is heard. Yes, Kaval had a fairly unimpressive run on mainstream WWE-TV, but he put on some very good matches including a donnybrook of a match with Dolph Ziggler on PPV. Speaking of Dolph Ziggler.

Daniel Bryan vs. Dolph Ziggler at Bragging Rights 2010- This match, ladies and gentlemen, is what wrestling is all about. Two guys going full throttle from bell to bell, each showing off their tremendous striking and wrestling abilities. These may be the two best "wrestlers" on the WWE roster, and they held nothing back in this match, a match that tied Taker vs. HBK for match of the year according to the WWE. That's right, two guys who have been in the WWE for a total of 3 years between them (if you start counting for Dolph Ziggler when he started his current gimmick) put on a match that got the same marks as two guys that have each been in the WWE for over three decades. That should tell you something about the quality of the match and the WWE's respect for these two gentlemen.

And while we're still talking about Dolph Ziggler...

How good is Dolph Ziggler?- Answer- Really fucking good. The guy has put on great matches with the likes of Kofi, Kaval, Daniel Bryan, John Cena, and probably Edge come this Sunday. I had my doubts because of his size, but I think we may be seeing a future WWE Champion working his way up the ladder.

Matt Hardy finally gets released- This has nothing to do with anything, but it was about time. I remember hearing Paul London do a shoot interview and he said that Matt Hardy was one of the most whiny, annoying wrestlers he ever had to work with. At the time I just wrote it off as sour grapes, Hardy still had a job with WWE and London didn't. My bad Paul, you were right.

John Morrison rises to the occasion- This is a guy people have been saying is the future of the WWE since he was Johnny Nitro, and he's finally starting to look like he might be able to fill that role. He played a huge role in the terrific Daniel Bryan-Miz-John Morrison Triple Threat Submissions Count Anywhere match, and he followed that up with a GREAT feud with Sheamus, which I would dare to say has been the feud of his career. He's put on nothing but solid matches with Sheamus and he has been more entertaining now than he ever has been before. He even got his first one on one shot for the WWE Championship against Miz, and he put on one hell of a match, one I would give four stars. He clearly went out there and gave it 120%, even sacrificing his body for a big spot where he put himself through a table HARD. He's heading into the Royal Rumble with a full head of steam, and this may be the first year he's ever really had a shot at winning it.

Natalya wins the Unified Divas Championship- This is for me, Doc, and any other big Natty marks out there. FUCK YEAH! Seriously though, she's possibly the most talented diva to come into the WWE since Lita and Trish threw down. She totally deserves this run.

Old School RAW- BEST. RAW. EVER. If you did not enjoy this show, get the fuck out of this thread, you know nothing. This was some of the most fun I ever had watching wrestling. Mean Gene was in the house, retro clothing was worn by all the officials, announcers, and the rest of the WWE staff, they brought out the little promo box thing, King was having the time of his life, Iron Sheik said "FACK" right as his microphone got cut (who the fuck thought it was a good idea to give that man a mic?), Mae Young called LayCool bitches and ****s, and Roddy Piper gave one of the best promos of his career when he told John Cena what's what. There are many... MANY things I'm leaving out, but that's because this show was so great, and this list is already so long. Everyone in the WWE knew they had something special on this night, and they all delivered.

John Cena is out of Nexus- In a match that involved two huge superstars in Randy Orton and Wade Barrett, everyone was focused on the referee... John Cena. If John Cena helped Wade Barrett capture the WWE Title then he would be free from Nexus, but if Randy Orton won then Cena would be fired from the WWE, the thing he lived for. Cena called what as in all actuality a very dull match right down the middle, and in the end it was Orton's hand that we held up high. Everyone knew what this meant, but nobody knew it better than John Cena. He made his rounds through the arena, hugging Randy Orton, saying good bye to the fans, and then SurvivorSeries went off the air. The following night on RAW Cena gave a farewell address that rivaled that of Shawn Michaels', and it almost seemed like he was really going to be gone for a while. He wasn't gone for a while, in fact he showed up every week after his goodbye speech, but it was an amazing moment when the WWE had us thinking we might be watching RAW without Cena for some time.

The Miz won the WWE Championship The Miz cashed in his Money in the Bank briefcase on a weakened Randy Orton whom had just retained his title in a brutal match against Wade Barrett. We all knew it was coming, but it didn't change the fact that it was unbelievable that The Miz was WWE Champion. He has been a very good champion as well, he's had several good matches for the belt and has had me on the edge of my seat as I wait for someone, anyone to beat the annoying little fuck for the belt. He's grown even more arrogant and even more evil, lashing out at such innocents like Jerry Lawler in order to boost his own ego, and I know I'm not the only one who can't wait to see him pay.

My name is Alberto Del Rio! But you already know that!- Since I'm (just barely) going chronologically, I probably should have put this earlier on the list. This not-so-newcomer is a very experience wrestler and MMA fighter, but has been gold in the ring and on the mic. Some call him the Mexican JBL, but he's actually bearable to watch in the ring. He has put on good feuds with Rey Mysterio, R-Truth, and he claims he is destined to win the Royal Rumble. I don't think he will, but he has a better shot than most for sure. Don't be surprised if this guy gets his hands on some serious gold within the next year.

Koztino wins the WWE Championships- Awesome.

CM Punk takes over Nexus- This is one of the most titillating storylines I have ever seen. CM Punk ousted Wade Barrett as leader of Nexus and has totally recreated the group. What used to be a group of blood thirsty brutes his now a cult, led by their savior CM Punk, who has used Christ-like imagery and discussions about faith to win the undying support of his troops. He put them through hell in order to test their devotion to him, and even lost two key members in Justin Gabriel and Heath Slater in the process, but has made the group stronger and more dangerous than ever because of it. This is a storyline that is only in it's earliest stages, and I expect it to be hotter than a super nova when it explodes.

And last but definitely not least...

John Cena is the best he has ever been- Yes, I said it. I know there are plenty of people out there who say that Rapper Cena was his best, some say they never liked Cena, but John Cena has never been better than he is now. Every promo he cuts is pure gold. Every match he wrestles has me captivated. Every joke he makes is a riot, every confrontation he enters is provocative, and every move he makes no matter how big or small is important. Since his involvement in Nexus, John Cena has been perfect. He's even making fun of the PG product, and he's basically the PG Poster boy. Call me crazy, but we may very well one day consider him to be better than Stone Cold. Some probably already do.

So what do you think? Is my list adequate? Is there anything I should have or shouldn't have included? Discuss.
 
J Glass thank you so much for creating this Thread,I applaud you for it. I have been a WWF/E Fan since 1990/1991 and have been through all the major eras. I too get sick and tired of the so-called fans bitching about the PG Rating. Yes the Attitude Era overall was good but at the same time did have alot of over the top stuff. People can also say 1993,1994,1995 is the way WWE use to be but does anyone remember all the Gimmicks back then and how RAW was done in those small dim lit Arenas across the Country? I grew up watching it then but looking back while it did have some good points it was not all roses either.

I have had no problem with the WWE's PG Rating,its not as bad as people make it to be. We still get Great Matches and Feuds,RAW,Smackdown,and the PPVs are still top notch today. I like John Cena (yes I admit it and im not ashamed of it).NXT is a good concept,the younger guys are getting pushed like Miz & John Morrison & Dolph Ziggler & Alberto Del Rio among others.

It still beats watching TNA and them doing everything 10-15 years too late most of the time. If you want blood,tits,ass,and over the top violence go watch something else.
 
As much as I love what we, the internet community, have become, there comes a time where I think we all just need to sit back and remember we're just fans. Even the journalists and people who have more of a credible voice are, at the end of the day...fans with jobs. I briefly wrote about this in the next article to come out in my column on Wrestlezone. (yeah, shameless plug)

However, just to play devil's advocate... Most of the memories you talked about involve stars that were first developed in the attitude-era, post-attitude era, and in any case, well before the current PG era. Such a great time in wrestling produced the superstars we have today, and the epic moments you mentioned are a residual effect. I worry about 10 years from now, because with the current roster I'm not sure they'll have great instances like the ones we've been able to experience. The WWE is popping out these cookie-cutter performers that have no individual personalities. They're all a part of the machine. However, to play my own devil's advocate, today's product could be compared to the product of the 80s, where everything is a bit more slowed down, the high flyers aren't as valuable, and guys like John Cena (Hulk Hogan) are larger-than-life superheroes. The wrestling industry may keep evolving and it's quite possible that it will be completely different in the next generation.
 

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