you've just heard he radio, there is plenty of meaningful and thought provoking hiphop or "rap" you just havent heard it because the major labels wont support something that goes aginst the "grain" thats already been created by the rappers in the past
A Hip-Hop soundtrack to a WWE PPV!?
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you've just heard he radio, there is plenty of meaningful and thought provoking hiphop or "rap" you just havent heard it because the major labels wont support something that goes aginst the "grain" thats already been created by the rappers in the past
Seriously? Dude your ranting because wwe doesn't use hip-hop? Well they did just like CM pointed out! Besides why should they? Hip-hop doesn't really portray the violent, rampage, revenge, and sadistic scene the WWE is, hip-hop is more 'bitch bow down on your knees and give me a blow job'.
SavageTaker
Everybody Has A Price!
I don’t see why WWE doesn’t use more Hip-Hop songs for their pay per view themes. I’m not a huge fan of hip-hop but I do think they could mix up the types of music they use. I’ve noticed that their target audience, the kids, like hip-hop more than rock. Maybe it’s where I live that I notice this more but it could be possible that in other areas rock music is more popular. I don’t know, I just think they could mix it up a bit since both types of music are pretty popular. If they were to use more hip-hop songs then it could garner them some publicity if they were to get some big stars to do the theme songs. We know they like publicity and I don’t see why they don’t use other types of music if it can get them some publicity. Maybe Vince just prefers rock or thinks hip-hop songs send out bad messages, even though there are probably a lot that send out good messages and can still be used for PG programming. It just seems strange that they don't use more hip-hop music.
Kanye South
YEP YEP YEP WHAT IT DO
No. There is some Hip-Hop like this, but definitely not all of it. We have lots of different types of Hip-Hop, just like their is all different types of rock. Don't stereotype. Rock also has similar lyrics to Hip-Hop sometimes. I've heard plenty of Rock songs that could be similar to what you just posted.
As for the topic, well I say it can be done, but it won't. The theme for the Royal Rumble this year was "Let It Rock" by Kevin Rudolf featuring Lil Wayne. However, Lil Wayne was never heard on the commercials. They edited out his part, and I can see why. Wayne's an amazing rapper, but look at him. I hate to say this, but America's subconciously racist. It's not wrong, but think about it. Lil Wayne has diamonds for teeth, tatoos all over him, and long hair. But yet it's okay for Papa Roach to have long hair, tatoos all over them, and piercings in places piercings shouldn't be. They both make decent music, but one is doing the theme song for Raw, while the other's getting accused of impregnating Lauren London.
America's racist without even knowing it. It's nobody's fault, really, it's just an effect of the human mind. We were all raised around our own color, so that's how we act. Just as a white person would be uncomfortable in a room full of black people, a black person would be uncomfortable in a room full of white people. I tried to phrase this without coming off as racist, because I'm really not. I'm black and I've dated white girls, black girls, asian girls, indian girls, latina girls. The point I'm trying to make is that the WWE would get heat when the parents of the kids see this on a WWE ad:
CJ The Pirate
Schwing
"Am I not allowed to make an observation now?"
Oh How Ironic that comment is.
Am I not allowed to make one either. One I proved? One I gave based on facts? Obviously not. If I do... I get an infraction.
A newsflash for you. Racism is something entirely different than pointing at a black guy and saying he's black. Or pointing at a white guy and saying he's white. That's called using your eyes and being non-idiotic.
Is it that you actually believe I was racist or is it actually just because I don't 100% agree with you? I reckon the latter.
I honestly don't believe that the majority of the WWE audience listen to Hip Hop or RnB or for that matter any other genre of music other than Rock. I have a tonne of wrestling fans who are friends of mine... they like Rock music. And before you start... I have friends who like Hip Hop and Rap... They don't watch WWE.
You want to call me 'mis-informed?' You just based your entire arguement (and an infraction toward me) on what the kids at the school you teach at listen to!) I never said that ONLY black people listen to hip hop. Never did I say that. I said the MAJORITY was black.
And yes... I did say 'It matters what white people think' And yes, that sounds awfully racist when you take it out of context. Which you did.
The context I used that comment was in reference to the MAJORITY of WWE fans being white. Which again I laid down as my opinion backed up by fact. And so The WWE, with it's predominantly white fan base will be the voice that is heard. I'm not saying the WWE is racist either, otherwise no non-white wrestler would ever be given a contract.
You're right. I don't live in the US. I'm from England for whatever that matters. We're not stuck in the corner here with no window to the inside. We have the power of the internet. We get a shit load of US TV and news. I am fully aware of what is hot or not in the US right now.
I'm not looking to make friends or enemys here mate, it's the internet. Nothing more. Hope you have fun with your pretend power. Means nothing in the real world you know. There are real racists out there... you gonna go infract them all?
Oh How Ironic that comment is.
Am I not allowed to make one either. One I proved? One I gave based on facts? Obviously not. If I do... I get an infraction.
A newsflash for you. Racism is something entirely different than pointing at a black guy and saying he's black. Or pointing at a white guy and saying he's white. That's called using your eyes and being non-idiotic.
Is it that you actually believe I was racist or is it actually just because I don't 100% agree with you? I reckon the latter.
I honestly don't believe that the majority of the WWE audience listen to Hip Hop or RnB or for that matter any other genre of music other than Rock. I have a tonne of wrestling fans who are friends of mine... they like Rock music. And before you start... I have friends who like Hip Hop and Rap... They don't watch WWE.
You want to call me 'mis-informed?' You just based your entire arguement (and an infraction toward me) on what the kids at the school you teach at listen to!) I never said that ONLY black people listen to hip hop. Never did I say that. I said the MAJORITY was black.
And yes... I did say 'It matters what white people think' And yes, that sounds awfully racist when you take it out of context. Which you did.
The context I used that comment was in reference to the MAJORITY of WWE fans being white. Which again I laid down as my opinion backed up by fact. And so The WWE, with it's predominantly white fan base will be the voice that is heard. I'm not saying the WWE is racist either, otherwise no non-white wrestler would ever be given a contract.
You're right. I don't live in the US. I'm from England for whatever that matters. We're not stuck in the corner here with no window to the inside. We have the power of the internet. We get a shit load of US TV and news. I am fully aware of what is hot or not in the US right now.
I'm not looking to make friends or enemys here mate, it's the internet. Nothing more. Hope you have fun with your pretend power. Means nothing in the real world you know. There are real racists out there... you gonna go infract them all?
When it's saying that the opinion of other races doesn't matter? No, you aren't. Read the rules.
That's not what you did though, is it? You didn't just point out that the majority of the WWE audience is white, that's not what you were infracted for. You claimed that the WWE should only care what white people think, because the opinion of other race's doesn't matter.
Further more, why are you bringing this up in this thread? We have a PM system for things like this.
Do you think I actually care whether or not you agree with me? I've been in countless heated debates with people on this forum many, many times and have never infracted them for disagreeing with me.
John Cena. The most popular wrestler in the WWE, his entire character is based off of hip-hop culture. Yes, clearly the WWE audience doesn't care for hip-hop.
Hip-hop is the most popular genre of music on the planet. Wrestling fans are apart of this planet, yes?
Claiming that the opinion of other races aren't as important as the opinion of Caucasians is a prejudicial remark. Don't like it? Too bad, don't post here. It's not up for debate.
You seem to think that the WWE should only care about what their white audience thinks. Which is ridiculous considering Rey Mysterio is probably the most globally popular wrestler on their entire roster, and is so popular in Mexico right now that there have been discussions of whether or not he should run for a job as government official there.
Should the WWE not care what their Spanish audience thinks now? By your logic, yes. Unfortunately thats not how the real world works. The WWE is a GLOBAL promotion that airs in just about every country on this planet.
If they come on this forum, I sure will.
Why are you debating this? This isn't the place to discuss an infraction, and I'm telling you right now to DROP this discussion about the infraction. If you want to discuss the other things we've debated thus far, go right ahead, but I'm warning you right now to stop discussing your infraction here, this isn't the place for that.
CJ The Pirate
Schwing
You brought the infraction up in this thread. You didn't need to include the comment "Enjoy your infraction" did you? You also didn't need to respond to this if the PM system is where this is supposed to be held.
No, you just want this done privately so that other people don't realise the mistake you're making. This isn't going off topic either, the problem has stemmed from my feelings on Hip-Hop in the WWE.
The majority user of a product dictates what the product is. Simple as that. Barbie isn't Mexican. KFC don't sell Hamburgers.
Get off your high horse. I have not once said that WWE or anyone for that matter doesn't care what other races think. Is it racist to say that the WWE's superstars are predominantly white? How many of those white wrestlers have Hip-Hop entrance themes? I have commented on those that the WWE market for it's Hip Hop fans, including John Cena in my original post on this thread.
The trouble we have here is that you are simply refusing to look at this from any other angle. In your mind, I'm a racist and you're not willing to change your mind. I however can see that what I did write can look bad in a certain light. I am telling you this now, I did not intend what I said in the manner that you read it in. Just because one person says another has done wrong doesn't make it fact. If that was the case, the police would have a really easy job.
You have exploded this way out of proportion. Warn me against talking about this all you like, I have passed this on to another moderator.
Once again... to just make sure everyone is perfectly clear on this. The WWE's MAIN FAN BASE IS WHITE! It's broadcast in most countries around the world... true... Most are white countries.
Flip the coin... Do Hip Hop stars really present themselves in an 'any race is ok' way? I don't think lyric's featuring 'My *****' are English, mexican, japanese, french, austrilian or russian ways of thinking. That's because Blacks dominate the Hip Hop genre despite what 'All the kids are listening to.' Eminem is still the most famous White Rapper out there... Why? He's been going for over 10 years now, surely someone else should have stepped up by now? What's the problem?
You need to learn how businesses market themselves through advertising. Think about it... White people eat chinese food but in a chinese restaurant... the majority of the menu is chinese food... there might be a small english/american food menu at the side. But The majority of people who eat chinese food are most likely to be chinese.
WWE =80% white viewers. 20% rest of the world
I'll go one better WWE = 80% American viewers. 20% The rest of the world.
That's not fact, but its a pretty close guess!
No, you just want this done privately so that other people don't realise the mistake you're making. This isn't going off topic either, the problem has stemmed from my feelings on Hip-Hop in the WWE.
The majority user of a product dictates what the product is. Simple as that. Barbie isn't Mexican. KFC don't sell Hamburgers.
Get off your high horse. I have not once said that WWE or anyone for that matter doesn't care what other races think. Is it racist to say that the WWE's superstars are predominantly white? How many of those white wrestlers have Hip-Hop entrance themes? I have commented on those that the WWE market for it's Hip Hop fans, including John Cena in my original post on this thread.
The trouble we have here is that you are simply refusing to look at this from any other angle. In your mind, I'm a racist and you're not willing to change your mind. I however can see that what I did write can look bad in a certain light. I am telling you this now, I did not intend what I said in the manner that you read it in. Just because one person says another has done wrong doesn't make it fact. If that was the case, the police would have a really easy job.
You have exploded this way out of proportion. Warn me against talking about this all you like, I have passed this on to another moderator.
Once again... to just make sure everyone is perfectly clear on this. The WWE's MAIN FAN BASE IS WHITE! It's broadcast in most countries around the world... true... Most are white countries.
Flip the coin... Do Hip Hop stars really present themselves in an 'any race is ok' way? I don't think lyric's featuring 'My *****' are English, mexican, japanese, french, austrilian or russian ways of thinking. That's because Blacks dominate the Hip Hop genre despite what 'All the kids are listening to.' Eminem is still the most famous White Rapper out there... Why? He's been going for over 10 years now, surely someone else should have stepped up by now? What's the problem?
You need to learn how businesses market themselves through advertising. Think about it... White people eat chinese food but in a chinese restaurant... the majority of the menu is chinese food... there might be a small english/american food menu at the side. But The majority of people who eat chinese food are most likely to be chinese.
WWE =80% white viewers. 20% rest of the world
I'll go one better WWE = 80% American viewers. 20% The rest of the world.
That's not fact, but its a pretty close guess!
You're the one here who's making a rather large fuss out of an incredibly minor thing. 99% of the posters on this forum have received an infraction at some point, it helps to weed out the bad posters and improve the good ones.
The mistake I'm making? About what? The infraction? It was justified, and the rest of the staff agrees with me. So please, drop it.
You made the claim that because the majority audience of the WWE is white, and that their opinion is the only one that matters. Your words, not mine. Nevermind the huge Spanish audience for the company, right? Their opinion doesn't matter in your words.
Nope. But it would be rather prejudicial if you were to say that it only matters what the white wrestlers want or think. Please, stop arguing this. It isn't up for debate.
I don't think you're a racist, never claimed to. Your remark was tasteless, and uncalled for. That's the end of it. Can we please move on?
Yes, and that other moderator agrees with me. As does the rest of the staff. Do you really think they're going to take your opinion over mine?
Hello? Mexico and Central & South America don't count anymore? There's a HUGE audience in those countries. No shit the majority of the WWE fan base is white, the majority of people on this planet are white after all. Doesn't mean that they should cater exclusively to rock and roll loving rednecks. I love rock and roll much more than I do hip-hop, but it simply isn't fashionable in any way any longer. The entire youth culture has drifted to hip-hop, you really can't deny that. Look at the charts, look at any high school in the country. Hip-hop culture dominates.
That's a pretty hilarious notion, and quite the misinformed one.
A) "Chinese" restaurants in the Western world are not what Chinese culture actually eat, at all. The Chinese took some of the basic recipes from their country, and fattened and deep-fried everything to the point where it doesn't even slightly resemble the food you will find in China. And no, the majority of people who eat this Americanized "Chinese" food are not in fact Chinese, but white. All you have to do is look in any "Chinese" restaurant. The only Asian people there will likely be the staff.
B) Again you're making the claim that because the majority of the WWE audience is white, that's who they should cater to exclusively. If that's the case, than how do you explain the fact that the two most popular wrestlers in the company right now are John Cena, a hip-hop culture character, and Rey Mysterio, a proudly Spanish luchador. Do you know how many Spanish people watch Smackdown every week? Millions.
And you're basing those numbers on what? Wild speculation?
