50 Dead, 53 Injured in mass shooting at Orlando gay nightclub

[JGlass]

Should be discussed.

103 victims, 50 of them already dead. This is the deadliest mass shooting in United States history.

The gunman was carrying an assault rifle, a handgun, and possibly an explosive devise. He was killed at 5 AM in a firefight with police officers. Right now a suspect has been identified: Omar Marteen, a United States citizen whose family is believed to be from Afghanistan. The FBI is investigating potential ties to radical terrorism, but it's worth noting that his family has already come out stating it's not about religion and apologizing for their son's actions.

There's still not a lot of information on this event.

 

[GI Cake]

For those not from the Florida area, Facebook has an interesting feature now that in the event of a shooting in your area, it can mark you as "safe" when you log into your Facebook account.

It's just so depressing to me that we've come to this point where social media is more prepared to handle mass shootings than our government.

 

[thestud77]

Should be discussed.

103 victims, 50 of them already dead. This is the deadliest mass shooting in United States history.

The gunman was carrying an assault rifle, a handgun, and possibly an explosive devise. He was killed at 5 AM in a firefight with police officers. Right now a suspect has been identified: Omar Marteen, a United States citizen whose family is believed to be from Afghanistan. The FBI is investigating potential ties to radical terrorism, but it's worth noting that his family has already come out stating it's not about religion and apologizing for their son's actions.

There's still not a lot of information on this event.

Not about religion? What a joke. Islam is all about violence. The Quran teaches muslims to kill anybody that disagrees with their views. I know I'm voting for Trump.

 

[a0161613]

Not about religion? What a joke. Islam is all about violence. The Quran teaches muslims to kill anybody that disagrees with their views. I know I'm voting for Trump.

Please do something with this ignorant prick.

 

[Bagpipes]

Very sad and disgusting event, so many questions surrounding it.

I may be in the minority when I say this but if one other person in that club were carrying a weapon, maybe many more lives could have been saved. Gun laws and regs don't save lives, people not buying in to fucked up propaganda and messages of hate save lives.

I seldom leave home without a weapon, the difference is I leave hoping that I never have to use it.

 

[thestud77]

Very sad and disgusting event, so many questions surrounding it.

I may be in the minority when I say this but if one other person in that club were carrying a weapon, maybe many more lives could have been saved. Gun laws and regs don't save lives, people not buying in to fucked up propaganda and messages of hate save lives.

I seldom leave home without a weapon, the difference is I leave hoping that I never have to use it.

Great post. The liberals in America want to take guns away from law abiding citizens while criminals, gangs and Muslims still have access to as many guns as they want. Another reason I'm voting for Trump.

 

[GI Cake]

I may be in the minority when I say this but if one other person in that club were carrying a weapon, maybe many more lives could have been saved. Gun laws and regs don't save lives, people not buying in to fucked up propaganda and messages of hate save lives.

Have you ever been to Orlando, Bagpipes? Hell forget about that, how trained and prepared are you to fight in a firefight? In a night club setting where there's masses of people screaming and running your average "good guy with a gun" is more than likely to shoot a bystander instead of the actual shooter. The people I've seen first hand that have been trained by the military in battle drills are still nowhere near prepared to take on a active shooter in a area with civilian considerations. What on fucking Earth makes you think John Q. Public would be capable to go Dirty god damn Harry on Johnny Jihad without killing innocent people or getting himself killed in the process?

 

[Tastycles]

If more people had guns there'd be fewer shootings.

 

[Bagpipes]

Have you ever been to Orlando, Bagpipes? Hell forget about that, how trained and prepared are you to fight in a firefight? In a night club setting where there's masses of people screaming and running your average "good guy with a gun" is more than likely to shoot a bystander instead of the actual shooter. The people I've seen first hand that have been trained by the military in battle drills are still nowhere near prepared to take on a active shooter in a area with civilian considerations. What on fucking Earth makes you think John Q. Public would be capable to go Dirty god damn Harry on Johnny Jihad without killing innocent people or getting himself killed in the process?

No one is trained to react to such circumstances, but I'd rather take my chances at defending myself and others than standing by waiting to take one in the chest or trying to run and getting shot in the back.

I've had plenty of experience and training with firearms, something that I do think should be a requirement to obtain a concealed carry permit, but I do agree that nothing really prepares you for a situation like this short of actually experiencing it.

 

[Pay Per Ghost]

Tragic, tragic news. I'm sure we ll be running this into gun control territory so before that hell breaks loose...condolences to the families who lost their loved ones.

 

[Coco]

If more people had guns there'd be fewer shootings.

Please show some respect for the victims and their friends and family. Now isn't the time to discuss this. We must not politicize this tragedy.

 

[GI Cake]

No one is trained to react to such circumstances,

Except people do have training in reacting to contact, and how to react to contact in areas like nightclubs and in spite of that training no one can really be prepared for how utterly chaotic that situation is. But when you pull out a weapon, you are inserting yourself into further more danger, not just from the active shooter who intended to kill innocent people, but by other gun owners who are trying to defend themselves as well.

but I'd rather take my chances at defending myself and others than standing by waiting to take one in the chest or trying to run and getting shot in the back.

You do understand it only puts you into more danger because for all gun owner's 2, 3, and 4 know you might be the shooter, or an accomplice.

I've had plenty of experience and training with firearms, something that I do think should be a requirement to obtain a concealed carry permit, but I do agree that nothing really prepares you for a situation like this short of actually experiencing it.

So lets just stick 100+ people into a confined space like a nightcub, and 10 of them with guns. Then insert an active shooter and I bet the casualty count would be higher than 50.

 

[Dan Severn's Moustache]

For the record, the nightclub was a gun free zone. Guns are not permitted in places where alcohol is served by Florida state law.

More and more people need to wake up to the fact that this is a problem directly linked to Salafi and Wahhabi Islam; ultra-conservative branches of Islam which have been allowed to grow and radicalise youths without being challenged. We would not allow Nazism to flourish again unchecked in this world - we should therefore not allow Salafism and Wahhabism to continue with their violent ideologies.

 

[Spidey Revivey]

To anyone here affected by the shootings and is part of the LGBT community, I am sorry for what you must be going through.

 

[Bagpipes]

Yeah 10-4 on the you don't like guns sentiment, Blunder. I do, so before this goes even more nowhere than it has, I'll just move on.

Hearing reports now that the shooter was apparently affiliated with ISIS in some fashion.

 

[Slash-LN]

People are incredibly shitty.

 

[Big Nick Dudley]

I think every citizen of the United States should be given a musket, the only firearm available when the 2nd Amendment was written. Problem solved.

 

[GI Cake]

Yeah 10-4 on the you don't like guns sentiment, Blunder.

What a hock of shit, I fucking love guns. I own plenty of guns, and nothing gets me a stronger hard-on than the sound of an M240B ripping off a clip of 7.62. However the distinct difference between my appreciation for firearms and your is seemingly your romanticism of firearms while I hold a more grounded understanding of weapons and the damage they can do in poor hands.

I do, so before this goes even more nowhere than it has, I'll just move on.

Hearing reports now that the shooter was apparently affiliated with ISIS in some fashion.

Fuck ISIS, and fuck the goat fucker who felt compelled by his child molesting sky daddy to kill innocent people.

 

[Coco]

Yeah 10-4 on the you don't like guns sentiment, Blunder. I do, so before this goes even more nowhere than it has, I'll just move on.

Yep. Ordinary citizens with delusions that they're Dirty Harry are what's needed to stifle the threat posed domestically by radical Islam. How do people not understand this?

 

[Big Nick Dudley]

Yep. Ordinary citizens with delusions that they're Dirty Harry are what's needed to stifle the threat posed domestically by radical Islam. How do people not understand this?

Poor misguided souls.


#allhailFuhrerTrump

 

[JGlass]

I'm not sure I buy into the ISIS affiliation, or at least I don't think he was acting under orders from ISIS. I think he's a guy who had serious anger issues, found something in religion that made him feel justified to act on his hate (which is not all that unusual, look at the WBC), and then had a severe mental breakdown.

 

[Coco]

Don't be facetious, Nick. I think the people sticking up for the rights of gun owners above all else are incredibly brave. It's brave to stand up for your values in the face of overwhelming evidence that your beliefs are poison to your country. It's brave to hold tight to the antiquated document from which you derive your harmful beliefs. It's brave to advocate for a meaningless freedom rather than greater safety.

Thankfully, we can side-step any meaningful self-reflection because there are Muslims to be killed. Metaphorical bullet dodged!

Not that talking about gun violence in a serious way would have done anything to bring about meaningful change here. We let Sandy Hook come and go like it was business as usual. And we all care far more about children than homosexuals.

 

[klunderbunker]

I'm not sure I buy into the ISIS affiliation, or at least I don't think he was acting under orders from ISIS. I think he's a guy who had serious anger issues, found something in religion that made him feel justified to act on his hate (which is not all that unusual, look at the WBC), and then had a severe mental breakdown.

Yeah it came off to me like he pledged allegiance to ISIS but they had never actually had any contact with him.

 

[Dan Severn's Moustache]

I'm not sure I buy into the ISIS affiliation, or at least I don't think he was acting under orders from ISIS. I think he's a guy who had serious anger issues, found something in religion that made him feel justified to act on his hate (which is not all that unusual, look at the WBC), and then had a severe mental breakdown.

Don't know if he was actually connected with ISIS, it seems he was a lone gunman and this wasn't a co-ordinated attack, but the connections to ultra conservative Islam is evident; rational and moderate Muslims wouldn't dare to do stuff like this because of the highly contradictory nature of Islamic doctrine; they are basically able to separate right from wrong from their religious texts.

We do however, need to notice that this is exclusively a problem with Islam. As bad as the WBC is, with regards to Christianity currently, they are not actively going around killing innocent citizens for what they believe in; rather they are just preaching regressive rhetoric. Salafi and Wahhabi Islam are actively sponsored by states such as Saudi Arabia, where Sharia Law is legally binding, and the state and the faith are enforced together in dictatorial fashion. This is part of the reason I hated Ted Cruz so much, the man actually wanted to enforce a theocracy onto the citizens of America. Islam as an ideology is extremely contradictory, and extremely aggressive with its stances; the interpretation is left open to the follower. Like I said, most Muslims are able to separate the good from the retrograde and integrate into western civilisation, but because these regressive and aggressive ideologies are still sponsored by states in the Middle East, it doesn't at all surprise that the system produces people like this. I don't necessarily think it's fair to scrutinise the subjects from a collective point of view of an oppressive system, as opposed to the system itself; especially in one as authoritarian as Salafi and Wahhabi.

 

[Coco]

Yeah it came off to me like he pledged allegiance to ISIS but they had never actually had any contact with him.

Not that this will stop the inevitable sabre-rattling. Their message obviously corrupted him against our way of life. This isn't about mental illness because mental illness isn't sexy enough or terrifying enough. This is about terrorism.