Wyatt Derp

[Spidey Revivey]

Yesterday we were treated to a post-Mania Bray Wyatt, and boy was he cryptic. They had him on camera all wax poetic as usual, telling us how a certain superstar's dedication will be their undoing and whatnot. He was taking the whole mystical allure of his gimmick to dazzling new-


Wait. Scratch that. No. This isn't new. This isn't anything but recycled poetry.


So let me get this straight. You have what could be WWE's answer to a retiring Undertaker, have him lose to Taker at Wrestlemania, and two weeks later pop right back the fuck up with the same old promo he's been running into the ground for what feels like forever now and no-sell his loss? Bray Wyatt isn't angry. No vengeful demon, no maddening twist on the character to show how he feels about losing to the Old Face of Fear. Just business as usual. And it appears he has moved on from what should be his Magnum Opus on taking out the only other dark character in the WWE to focus on some hero face like Cena, Bryan, or Reigns. Something we've seen a good portion of last year and the year before.

Seriously?

When I first started keeping up with Bray Wyatt, he was one of the most three-dimensional characters I've seen in wrestling period. Dark hillbilly cult leader that persuades adults and children alike to listen to his colorful words as he climbs the ladder of success. Sister Abigail whispers in his ear, and there's a rocking chair for some reason. Real creepy shit. But what does the defeated Wyatt give us with Wrestlemania out of the way? The same promo he's given us through his Deadman feud, just with a few changed words here and there.

I can take Bray Wyatt not coming out as a winner. Hell, not even asking him to ever get the upper-hand in a feud. But continuing to lose in high profile matches and not even address them is a sign of lazy character development. I have no reason to fear Bray Wyatt. He's just a soapbox preacher at this point and the fans are just walking on by without really listening anymore. He's become a caricature of himself, in other words.


Do you agree? Or have I just lost that loving feeling all thanks to the Creative machine?

 

[Fire Marshall Bill]

Bray Wyatt's promos have always been like that. The majority of them are nonsensical rambling that is hard to follow if you don't listen. Of his feuds, the only few that involved promos that at least made some sense were Cena, Jericho and Undertaker. And even those were fairly similar to each other. Compare them to the other meaningless feuds like Kane, Bryan and whoever else this next one is, and they're still not that different.

And I know there's always been those people out there that say things like "they make sense if you listen yada yada yada." The problem is you might really have to listen, and even then you might still have to actually think about it. Wrestling is very simplistic and based off clear cut heels and faces. Have the lines blurred in recent times? Yes. That still doesn't change the average brain power in the audience as well as the children who shouldn't be expected to understand his rambling anyway.

A lot of people cheer him because he's "fresh" and "different". New, fresh and different don't always mean good. Does that mean I think he sucks? No. I just don't fawn all over him like many people because he just hasn't done anything to make me do so.

 

[RedRegan1005]

Hhahaha props on the title.

Anyways I can totally get where the OP is coming from. Cryptic promos work, at times. Especially when Wyatts character was new and had mystery. Or if he was to have a along abscence from TV and was returning then Cryptic promos would work. But, at this point they have become way over done. For the last year and a half i feel like Wyatt has been in a routine of, Cryptic promo, feud, lose, and repeat. Without his character really developing or going anywhere.

Put it this way, I have been a big Wyatt fan sense his pull up to the main roster, but even for me I can't defend the fact anymore that his pre taped promos have went from good cryptic promos with strong skill to just sounding random. Even despite his mic skill the promos have lost all my interest, and don't excite me or make me think that he's gonna do anything big, or different. It seems WWE just has no idea what to do with him. Its frustrating to watch at this point. We hadn't seen him sense Mania and I was hoping we wouldn't see him till the main event where the lights would go out and he would show up and take everybody out in the main event. I think Seth Rollins as champ would be the perfect heel for Wyatt to turn face and feud with.

 

[chicagokmc]

great question. I guess creative is to blame for a lot of this. however, to be fair, it doesn't look like they've given up on him. he's not a newbie on the roster any more. bray is a mid card wrestler who has fought in back to back key wrestlemania matches against two of the biggest faces of today's era in cena and the undertaker. most mid card wrestlers on today's roster won't be able to make that claim for their entire careers.

he keeps winning the smaller feuds, losing the bigger feuds, then repeating the cycle. won the Jericho and ambrose feuds but lost the bryan, cena and undertaker feuds. his first one with kane is somewhere in the middle because they just ended that program and kane has gone in such a different direction the effects of the feud with the wyatt family have long been forgotten. his promos are like his feuds, random with no substantive direction.

one problem is that they are treating his character like this was 10 years ago, when the quasi mystical stuff still interested people. here in the 21st century that stuff doesn't really move people. even with the undertaker in recent years its been less about the "dead man" and more about him being a bad-ass that has lasted over 2 decades.

I think they need to give bray a mission/theme that he sticks to for awhile. that might mean turning him face and putting him against the machine or the Authority. At this point that's what I think might be the best way to salvage him from being an after thought who really accomplished nothing.

 

[ZUMBOdriver]

While Bray does have a great character, and has a great presence on the mic, I've turned a deaf ear to his ramblings a long time ago. I've called him Babbling Bray in the past, but Wyatt Derp, haha. That's a keeper.

With that said, Wyatt has as bright a future as anyone. A defined direction is what is needed. I'll second turning Bray face to go against the machine. He seems tailor made for that in my eyes.

I thought the Raw after Mania, in the main event that got dumped on, would have been an ideal time to start a turn face. Orton gets only Reigns as a partner to go against the 3 authority guys. Match begins as 3-on-2. As things are looking bleak for Orton and Reigns, lights go out, and there's Bray Wyatt.

Maybe Raw could have ended simply with a shot of Wyatt. No finish in the match, but Wyatt's appearance shocked/confused the bad guys enough to draw them off of Reigns and Orton. Slow burn the Wyatt face turn in the coming weeks. More cryptic promos, which is what some of us are growing tired of, but these would have some direction. I think that all Bray's character needs is some direction.

Maybe the promo that spurred this thread, will end up having a compelling direction it is headed in. But with WWE's recent creative track record, I wouldn't blame anyone for doubting the direction.

 

[L@RISANO]

I maintain that Bray Wyatt needs be carried forward as a Semi-Active/Manager type who is in the business of recruitment. There is enough talent on the Roster, that Bray Wyatt, being the cult leader that he is, can be slowly targeting different babyfaces/ even heels at times in order to recruit them in time for his own taking over of the machine(perhaps when the Authority are finished off once and for all, he could be the next Big Bad).


Right now, he is just spinning his wheels and lMO, losing momentum slowly but surely. Have him recruit someone huge like Orton/Ryback for instance, then he would mean business again going forward.


When he let go of both Harper and Rowan, he said that he set them free. I have seen people post that Wyatt should take them back, but honestly, we've been there done that. Wyatt needs to recruit new people to his team, and maybe at some point, we see Harper and Rowan return to the fold when Wyatt is ready to make his big move.



At present, I agree with the OP that Bray Wyatt is rambling and getting less and less interesting as he seemingly has ZERO direction and all his feuds are like recycled stuff which won't help him whatsoever. Let's hope his next target is a conflicted Viper, Randy Orton, post- Extreme Rules, and Bray Wyatt finally has someone new to Follow the Buzzards!

RUN!

 

[Navi]

Bray Wyatt is a wrestler who is ahead of his times and creative has no clue what to do with him. His promo's which used to be captivating have long since lost their magic, and that's what made him special. Now that the magic is gone he's losing his appeal.

He lost his momentum when the Wyatt's broke up and Wyatt went into the revolving door. One that he's never come out of in my opinion. His feuds have no rhyme or reason, no substance or even the most simplistic basis of, why is this even happening. It's like he runs on kangaroo petrol or something.

It seems like they just throw him with whoever else is at a loose end and hope for a miracle. Well the miracle has never happened, and won't not going down this route anyway. Men don't want to listen to someone drone on, it's like listening to your spouse. Women don't care, and kids don't understand him. Wrestling when you take it down to the common denominator is very simple, bad vs good, not so hard to understand.

Fans also want to be entertained, and when you have to think too hard about something, it's not entertaining. I don't know what they can do with Wyatt at this point. It seems they want to keep going down the same road, but eventually they will have to realize it's just not working.

 

[SoulTrain4]

He's great. No selling the loss is the best thing to so since he not getting any revenge, he said he was the new face of fear which means he just taking the title instead of earning it.

As far as the promos are concerned I'm all for it. It keeps me guessing until he actually strikes.

He's an aggressive heel, he picks out targets seemingly at random too which makes things more interesting because it could be anybody at first then he gets more specific as time goes on.

 

[Wald]

Yeah I think the best use of him would be to return him back to being a cult leader and only have him rarely wrestle on PPV and maybe once a year on TV. Build the Wyatt Family up again with him as the mouthpiece so that when he does fight it is a special occasion.

 

[mizowns]

He's just rambling about nothing like the Ultimate Warrior.

It just doesn't make sense sometimes.

I fast forward everytime I see him on RAW. I can't stand him, and I used to like the guy in the beginning.

 

[OYDK]

A large share of Wyatt's failures is due to his booking... and I'm not just saying that because I like the guy.

First of all, he's set up for this massive feud with The Undertaker which he carries all by himself; really makes you believe that he actually gives a shit about this match; loses, and thannnn TOTALLY forgets about it two weeks later, like it never happened... Like OP said, very lazy character development. But it's nothing new because we saw the exact same thing with Jericho, Cena, Ambrose, etc. Wyatt could be doing so much more, but Creative has stifled him with one-dimensional feuds, made even worse by the fact that Wyatt rarely accomplishes his ultimate goal.

I really don't understand it tbh. Wyatt has so much potential and so much could be done with him in the big picture of things, but WWE seems to be happy with just coasting Wyatt through meaningless big name feuds. Maybe I'm putting too much of the blame on Creative, but we've seen flashes of brilliance in Wyatt throughout the years, that show his real potential. I think Bray has just begun to tap into his potential, and needs to be let loose to realize the full scope of it.

Perhaps WWE should keep Wyatt off TV for a month or two and bring him back stronger and more developed. There needs to be further progression with the Wyatt character.

 

[Hem]

This is due to doing too much too soon. He faced John Cena, Jericho, The Shield, Bryan, Punk, Kane & Undertaker already. All of those guys constitute the majority of the main event scene. He's already faced them all in about a 2 year span. Where does WWE fit him as for a new feud.

Then you drop down the the mid card and see Sheamus, Rusev, Dolph, Bryan, Ambrose are all in a feud with someone. The top tier guys who he hasn't faced are Randy Orton and Seth Rollins, both of whom are busy with their own feud.

I think we are in for at least a month of the rambling promos until a spot is freed up for Wyatt to finally strike. Do I think he can do more than just cut the same type of promos every week? Hell yes.

I think the direction being painted for Bray Wyatt at the moment is Roman Reigns. Roman hasn't been thrown into the WWE title match yet and is just having random main event tag team matches. The promo Bray cut is a good fit for Roman Reigns. I kind of wanted this match when the Shield and Wyatt Family feuded but wouldn't mind seeing it today.

This gives Reigns a chance to work with a good worker who can help him out in the ring and on the mic while giving Bray a high caliber match tat doesn't throw him out of the main event shuffle.

 

[Blade]

I am so over Wyatt it's not even funny.

He really truly peaked with the John Cena feud at Wrestlemania. Because during that feud, the words he spoke were real. This idea that John Cena is almost too nice to be true is a fascinating idea. And they built a pretty damn decent feud around it, until after Wrestlemania, when it all started to seem pointless.

And that's the problem with Wyatt. When he's in the building phase of a feud, he can produce gold. But then he loses, and he looks like a moron. A regular heel being deluded after a loss is one thing. It happens all the time. Seth Rollins or whoever will come out after losing a big match and talk about how amazing they are. That's just their heel ego shining through. And so when Wyatt loses to the Undertaker, then continues to talk about being the face of fear, he comes across as a classic cowardly, delusional heel.

But the Wyatt character does not work if he's a classic delusional heel. The Wyatt character only works if he actually is this legitimate monster who destroys men and their psyches, and takes over the world.

When Wyatt cuts his promos about how he's going to expose Cena or the Undertaker, and then he loses, he's just like one of those religious fanatics who preaches the end of the world on street corners. Do you walk by one of those guys and think "Huh, this guy's for real..."? No, you think "this guy is a crazy idiot." Talking shit without backing it up. Just like Wyatt is right now.

So, right now, I think Wyatt looks like an idiot. Until they book him like the monster he claims to be, I'm so done.

 

[kadroan]

Bray Wyatt is a wrestler who is ahead of his times and creative has no clue what to do with him. His promo's which used to be captivating have long since lost their magic, and that's what made him special. Now that the magic is gone he's losing his appeal.

He lost his momentum when the Wyatt's broke up and Wyatt went into the revolving door. One that he's never come out of in my opinion. His feuds have no rhyme or reason, no substance or even the most simplistic basis of, why is this even happening. It's like he runs on kangaroo petrol or something.

It seems like they just throw him with whoever else is at a loose end and hope for a miracle. Well the miracle has never happened, and won't not going down this route anyway. Men don't want to listen to someone drone on, it's like listening to your spouse. Women don't care, and kids don't understand him. Wrestling when you take it down to the common denominator is very simple, bad vs good, not so hard to understand.

Fans also want to be entertained, and when you have to think too hard about something, it's not entertaining. I don't know what they can do with Wyatt at this point. It seems they want to keep going down the same road, but eventually they will have to realize it's just not working.

Bray is overexposed. They stopped doing what him special in the first place, having him when he wrestled be a big deal.

I remember back in Fall 2013, he hardly wrestled bu when he did it was a big deal like the time he tagged with Daniel Wyatt (Bryan). He would have Rowan and Harper wrestle for him most of the time. They need to get the Wyatt Family back together.

 

[BillAlfonsos_Whistle]

I agree and disagree with this thread.

I agree in the sense that Wyatt is being poorly booked. Even though I think his one off feud with the Undertaker mad sense and was put on display perfectly by Wyatt...his entire year last year was pretty beat. Very meaningless and meandering feuds that went nowhere and accomplished nothing. The only strong W he has is the win against Daniel Bryan (in a terrific match) two Royal Rumbles ago.

I disagree in the sense that he is getting stale. He is quite possibly the most talented on mic talent in WWE history in my opinion. Already up there with the likes of Austin and the Rock albeit for very different reasons. He is doing all he can to stay afloat despite the creative dropping the ball. I'd like to see him either out of the ring regrouping the Wyatt family in some way, shape, or form for a while OR having a few consecutive small feuds where he utterly dominates.

 

[MERPER]

Bray Wyatt's promos, especially ones where he isn't in the ring and a potential interruption and physical altercation might occur, are fast-forward material for me every single show.

What started off as awesome and terrific rants are old, stale and boring now.

 

[Soulblazed]

I've stated this about Wyatt before and I'll state it again-His character can be booked shitloads better than what he's currently doing..That much is obvious...Now how to go about that-

Wyatt could be booked as a violent, ruthless motherfucker who refuses to follow rules, wrestle "typical WWE-style matches", etc What I'm getting at is that Wyatt needs not ONLY to wrestle much less as others have pointed out, but WHEN Bray wrestles, it'll be bedlam at the very least. Wyatt should fight through the crowd, on the stage/ramp, in the backstage areas, the boiler room and even outside the arena/venue onto the streets. Not only that, but sometimes his opponent should be stretchered away after being beaten into a broken, bloody mess. On top of all that, Wyatt could have a signature weapon-A big crescent wrench. Unlike most heels who love to hide their weapons from the refs, fans, etc Wyatt will brazenly use the crescent wrench to make his opponents bleed by raking it across their forehead/pummeling them with it, giving his opponent Sister Abigail head-first onto the crescent wrench, etc

That in short would make Wyatt plenty more interesting and give his character lots more to work with, as a whole.