WWE Region, Third Round, Submission Match: (3) Undertaker vs. (6) Big Show

[klunderbunker]

This is a third round match in the WWE Region. It is a Submission match. It will be held at the TD Garden in Boston, Massachusetts. Assume one week has passed since the first round matches.

Submission Match Rules: The rules are the same as a usual match but the match can only be won by submission. Weapons are not allowed.

#3. Undertaker

Vs.

#6. Big Show

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[Jack-Hammer]

Taker all the way in this environment against Show. In their encounters, more often than not, Taker has walked away with the victory. It's not to say that Show can't win though. Last time they faced each other was several years back and Show won the bout. He hit Taker with the WMD and while he wasn't knocked out, he was unable to make it back to his feet.

In this environment, however, the WMD is useless as your opponent has to be forced to submit. The closest I think Taker has come to tapping out was during a match with Kurt Angle in which he started tapping while the ref counted Angle's shoulders to the mat at the same time.

Show's submission knowledge is rudimentary, but that's all he needs against most guys considering his size. Show can make great use of moves like the bear hug and that modified camel clutch we've seen him use every so often. Show in his physical prime would be more of a match for Taker. The first few years he was in the business, Show was probably around the 340-350 mark, and pretty athletic at that.

I eventually see Taker getting the win via Hell's Gate. I can see Show being able to, possibly, power out of the move the first time it's applied. By the time Taker's able to slap it on for a second time though, Show would have too little left in the tank to power out. He might come close to doing it a second time, but that's as close as it gets.

Taker moves on after Show taps to Hell's Gate.

 

[Thriller Ant]

Taker all the way in this environment against Show. In their encounters, more often than not, Taker has walked away with the victory. It's not to say that Show can't win though. Last time they faced each other was several years back and Show won the bout. He hit Taker with the WMD and while he wasn't knocked out, he was unable to make it back to his feet.

In this environment, however, the WMD is useless as your opponent has to be forced to submit. The closest I think Taker has come to tapping out was during a match with Kurt Angle in which he started tapping while the ref counted Angle's shoulders to the mat at the same time.

Show's submission knowledge is rudimentary, but that's all he needs against most guys considering his size. Show can make great use of moves like the bear hug and that modified camel clutch we've seen him use every so often. Show in his physical prime would be more of a match for Taker. The first few years he was in the business, Show was probably around the 340-350 mark, and pretty athletic at that.

I eventually see Taker getting the win via Hell's Gate. I can see Show being able to, possibly, power out of the move the first time it's applied. By the time Taker's able to slap it on for a second time though, Show would have too little left in the tank to power out. He might come close to doing it a second time, but that's as close as it gets.

Taker moves on after Show taps to Hell's Gate.

Show could knock Undi out and then put on whatever submission he wanted, forcing the ref to call for the bell. I'm not necessarily saying that I'll vote for Show, but there is a way that Show can use the WMD and not have to make Taker tap.

 

[Johnny Scumm]

Show could knock Undi out and then put on whatever submission he wanted, forcing the ref to call for the bell. I'm not necessarily saying that I'll vote for Show, but there is a way that Show can use the WMD and not have to make Taker tap.

You can only win by submission. Knocking someone out and holding them inca submission isn't a submission win, it's a knockout.

I see Undertaker winning this easily. Granted, Big Show is one athletic motherfucker, but Taker has that Hells Gate, the lethal submission that chokes you out. I see Show going to pick him up from the may, only to end up in the submission 15/20 minutes in.

 

[Bernkastel]

Out of curiosity I looked up Undertakers win/loss record against Big Show, expecting a blowout...

http://www.cagematch.net/?id=2&nr=761&page=22&type=byOpponent

79 wins and 18 losses. Kane has a better record against the Undertaker than Big Show does. Now those wins are divided among television, house shows, and pay per views. So I narrowed the matches between the two to pay per views only. I think the result speaks for itself.

http://www.cagematch.net/?id=2&nr=7...=&showtype=Pay+Per+View&worker=&text=big+show

Undertaker doesn't lose to Big Show in gimmick matches. In fact, I distinctly remember biker Undertaker choking out Big Show out with a standing dragon sleeper. He's also got the triangle choke and the Hell's gate... what submissions does Big Show use again? Maybe a single leg Boston Crab? While effective, it's not as versatile as the others.

It won't be an easy match for Taker, but I can't see why he losses. It was a great run for Show, but he's going home.

 

[PsychoBlack]

Damn tough draw for Giant here, Taker's just a bad ass and Show might knock his fuckin lights out, however, when Show gets close enough after that WMD or that choke slam you better believe he's going into hell's gate right there.

 

[Thriller Ant]

You can only win by submission. Knocking someone out and holding them inca submission isn't a submission win, it's a knockout.

I see Undertaker winning this easily. Granted, Big Show is one athletic motherfucker, but Taker has that Hells Gate, the lethal submission that chokes you out. I see Show going to pick him up from the may, only to end up in the submission 15/20 minutes in.

If you pass out in a submission hold, you win by submission. That's what they check when the ref lift and drops the arm.

 

[Papa Pillman]

This is quite easy, as they are contemporaries and we can go to the record books...

Taker has defeated Show by submission three times.

Once at No Way Out in '03, once in a cage match on Smackdown November of '08, and the last time they battled at Survivor Series '09, in a triple threat world title match also involving Jericho, Taker made Show tap to the Hell's Gates once again.

On the other hand Show has never made Taker tap.

It can't be more cut and dry than that. Taker wins via Hell's Gate.

 

[It's...Baylariat!]

Undertaker goes over here. Big Show's submission is the camel clutch that hasn't even gotten a victory in an actual match. Undertaker's finished HHH, Edge, and Big Show with his Hell's Gate finish.

Open and shut case, really. Taker moves on.

 

[deem]

Yeah, any stipulation and this would be Takers, and this might just be the very best one for him. Show taps a lot, Taker has arguably never tapped, it's always been shady when he has. The Hells Gate is deadly and as previously stated, he's submitted Big Show three times already.

This is as clear as it gets. Undertaker moves on ainec.

 

[BK Styles]

You can only win by submission. Knocking someone out and holding them inca submission isn't a submission win, it's a knockout.

I see Undertaker winning this easily. Granted, Big Show is one athletic motherfucker, but Taker has that Hells Gate, the lethal submission that chokes you out. I see Show going to pick him up from the may, only to end up in the submission 15/20 minutes in.

Bret Hart vs Austin at Wrestlemania; possibly the most famous submission match of all time, Austin lost but never submitted. Just felt that was worth pointing out.

Taker should win this. No-one will argue that he's a bigger deal than Show. He's got a great win/loss record against him. And he actually has a submission as a finishing move. Show has used a Camel Clutch and a modified Cobra Clutch in the past, but Taker's Hells Gate has been made to be one of the most fearsome moves in wrestling.

The match would be hard hitting and brutal, but unless some shenanigans take place, Taker keeps on rolling to the next round.

 

[The Brain]

This one is about as easy as it gets. I think I've seen Taker tap once in his 20 plus years in WWE. Taker also has some good submission moves in his arsenal. I don't recall Show using submission holds. I'm not going to bother explaining any further. It's obvious enough but just in case anyone needs a little more

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[HBsam31]

No contest here, and I can't really say anything that hasn't already been said. Taker does not lose to Big Show ever, and with the submission stipulation it makes it even more one sided in favor of The Undertaker.

 

[Tastycles]

There's usually a fair way of judging these things. If you have to resort to the ridiculous e.g. Show would knock him out then put a submission hold - then you generally know there's a shortcoming. Taker has barely ever submitted, Show does it all the time. Show often goes out unfairly, not so here. Taker wins.

 

[Thriller Ant]

There's usually a fair way of judging these things. If you have to resort to the ridiculous e.g. Show would knock him out then put a submission hold - then you generally know there's a shortcoming. Taker has barely ever submitted, Show does it all the time. Show often goes out unfairly, not so here. Taker wins.

Just for clarification, I'm going to vote for Taker. I'm just pointing out that there's a way for Show to win without having to make Undi tap out.

 

[Skairipa Matrix]

Undertaker takes this one no doubt. The man simply does not tap out and he wouldn't tap to Big Show who's only submission hold is a camel clutch.

In other match types I think Show would have a small chance but horrible draw for a match type here for the big man. Taker moves on after choking Show out with Hell's Gates at the 15 minute mark.

 

[wrestlingfan]

Taker wins this. While Big Show has an arsenal of submissions, he doesn't have a record of making people tap out. Taker on the other hand has made people unconscious and/or tap with the Hell's Gate.

 

[Brewski]

This could be a closer match but the stipulation really kills it. I don't remember big show submitting anyone ever while Taker has several good holds in his arsenal. Taker wins.

 

[ヒュー　G.　レックション]

Big Show with a single leg crab clean in the middle!

 

[Mr. Artistic guy]

Show would obviously employ moves like The Bear hug, the Abdominal stretch (which I've seen him employ to great effect before) and this little diddy which people might have forgotten about (although I can't say I'm surprised):

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Which I distinctly remember him using to make Cena pass out on at least one occasion. That is quite impressive, you must admit.

However, Taker has The Hells Gate which has been booked as one of the absolute top submission finishers ever since he debuted it and has been used to incapacitate Show in action, so we know it would work. Undertaker, on the other hand, has a phenomenal record when it comes to submission losses. A controversial tap to Kurt Angle and a more controversial one when facing CM Punk, when McMahon made the ref ring the bell as Punk had the Anaconda Vice locked in.

Taker is technically more proficient than Show and has used that to force Show to submit in the past. It's like putting Rey Mysterio against Chris Jericho, in a norml match it's anyone's game, but in a submission match you expect the guy with the submission in his arsenal to win. That's what I see here, Undertaker using The Hells Gate to go over whatever Show can scramble to find to use during the match.

 

[Nate DaMac]

In the Rumble that Benoit won (2004, I believe,) Show tapped out to the Crossface, The Walls, and the Ankle Lock all in one match. He's tapped to the STFU on more than one occasion and he's succumb to the Hell's Gate. The last one is the only one you really need to know, but I threw all of the other stuff in to solidify this.

Taker wins this.

 

[Dirk]

How is passing out to a rear naked choke different to being knocked out by the WMD? It's not a pinfall victory, the ref checks if the guy is out. As far as I know, there is no difference, so Show could still take this, especially with beautiful locks like that! I get that Undertaker is a bigger star, so perhaps Show will get the same treatment when HE becomes a part-timer.

 

[El Rev sXe]

Well I don't think Taker has ever tapped out against anyone, including submission specialists like Benoit and Angle.
That being said, even if Taker has the Tombstone and Last ride, he also has the triangle choke hold and hell gates, if I remember correctly he even applies from time to time a dragon sleeper. Either way, even if Taker is often presented as a powerhouse he definitley knows about submissions.

On the other hand Big Show has lost many many many many time against Taker, the man has tapped out frequently and doesn't have a submission arsenal like Taker.

Obviously do to Show size, it wouldn't be an easy task for Taker to make Show submit, like Jack-Hammer said Show could even break a couple of times those submissions moves, yet The Undertaker will achieve Bigh Show to tap out via hell gates.

 

[Hollywood Naitch]

Undertaker is better in every way than Big Show, even in their respective primes.

Undertaker has a better Win/Loss record in matches against Show- far better in fact!

Undertaker has made Big Show tap out several times, while has never been beaten by submission by Show. Plus, 'Taker has many more submission holds in his arsenal (Hells Gate, Dragon Sleeper, Triangle Choke etc)

Simple really, The Deadman advances here via Hells Gate. Perhaps Show's size and strength will allow him to fight it off once but the longer the match goes on, 'Takers superior fitness comes into play, and as Show tires another Hell's Gate will end this.

Winner: Undertaker

 

[FitFinlay4Life]

Does anything else need said?

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