WCW Region, Denver Subregion, First Round: (13) Batista vs. (20) Rick Rude

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Who Wins This Matchup?

  1. Batista

  2. Rick Rude

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  1. klunderbunker

    klunderbunker Welcome to My (And Not Sly's) House

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    This is a first round match in the WCW Region, Denver Subregion. It is a standard one on one match held under WCW Rules. It will be held at the Pepsi Center, Denver, Colorado.

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    #13. Batista

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    #20. Rick Rude



    Polls will be open for three days following a one day period for discussion. Voting will be based on who you feel is the greater of the two competitors. Post your reasons for why your pick should win below. Remember that this is non-spam and the most votes in the poll win. Any ties will be broken by the amount of posts of support for each candidate, with one vote per poster.

    Also remember that this is a non-spam forum. If you post a response without giving a reason for your selection, it will be penalized for spam and deleted.
     
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  2. FunKay the Inevitable

    FunKay the Inevitable People Like Me, We Don't Play

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    When people talk about 'could've beens', they often mention Rick Rude. They talk of how if his career was longer, not blighted by injuries (and addiction probably didn't help either), then he would be a multi-time world champion. Instead all he has to cling to is that he beat the Ultimate Warrior and was International Heavyweight Champion, a title barely anyone remembers.

    I'm sure people will bring these two arguments up against Batista because he's 'just like Warrior'. He isn't. He's had a longer, more substantial career. He's smarter than Warrior. He's wise to the old-school heel shtick (his mentor’s were Ric freaking Flair and Triple bloody H for crying out loud) and he's got a proven track record which illustrates how successful he's been in the undisputed top company in wrestling. He's won two Royal Rumbles, held the world title six times, beaten the very best in the industry and his win/loss ratio is nothing to scoff at either.

    Batista vs. Rude would be a fun programme but you know who'd have won in the end? Batista.
     
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  3. Hollywood Naitch

    Hollywood Naitch The current reigning and defending

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    YES, this is a great GREAT post. You've said exactly what I was planning on saying in my argument.

    Batista knows how heels play the game, he's learned from the best in Naitch and Triple H. He'd be wise to anything Rude would do to try to sneak an advantage and he's accomplished far more than The Ravishing One accomplished (admittedly in an injury-shortened career). Batista has the size and strength advantage and can move pretty quickly for such a big muscular guy. He'd certainly win this match, but Rude wouldn't go down easy.

    Still, Big Deacon Bluetista moves on after a vicious Powerbomb
     
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  4. Tastycles

    Tastycles Turn Bayley heel

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    Huge, huge fan of Rick Rude - he had a very special kind of charisma and its only because of the nature of wrestling in the past that he wasn't a proper world champion as he was such a strong heel. Batista is a lot better than people give him credit for, and while I'd much rather watch Rude in action, the truth is Batista was a bigger star and would win.
     
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  5. Mr. Artistic guy

    Mr. Artistic guy Better Off This Way

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    This is another match that I feel could have gone either way depending on the posts and arguments made for either. But what I think we need to remember at this time is that Rude is essentially a highly glorified mid-carder that may have been able to achieve more, but ultimately didn't.

    Conversely, Batista is a multiple-time world champion, but has displayed flashes of substance despite being at times very one-dimensional. The fact that Batista could be very good on occassions whilst having over Rude in the accomplishments category means I have sufficient reason to put him over.
     
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  6. George Steele's Barber

    George Steele's Barber Advertise Here $9.95/month

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    Sorry, I came in this thread thinking someone was gay porn fantasy booking.

    Um, since I'm here I guess I have to agree with others. Batista was a bigger name who accomplished more. Maybe Rude was a more entertaining character but not enough to warrant coming out on top (pun intended) on Batista.
     
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  7. Wrestlingaholic

    Wrestlingaholic Championship Contender

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    You can't compare them in terms of titles won, as they are from two different eras. In Rude's heyday, WWE only had two singles titles, and 4 supercards per year; whilst Batista was on top, there were 2 WORLD titles alone in the company, and anything from 12 to 16 ppvs (admittedly for a whole they were brand-specific, but it still allowed Batista theoretically at least twice the amount of opportunities to showcase as Rude.

    Breaking it down:

    • both were, at times, holders of the second most prestigious belt in the company (in my opinion)

    • both were part of 'supergroup' factions in the Heenan Family and Evolutiom

    • Rude is by far the better talker, though Batista's best work in this department came when he turned heel in 2010

    • Rude is clearly the better technical wrestler, but he could also brawl with the best of them

    • Batista has IMO the more devastating finisher, especially considering that Batista has a huge neck and shoulders whereas Rude had a very slight frame (for a heavyweight wrestler)

    • Rude had better conditioning, and could conceivably 'go' for longer

    Overall, I feel Rude's durability and adaptability would see him through against Batista. Though Big Dave is always just that one power move away from victory, he'd have to get the slippery, conniving Rude into position, easier said than done, even without the Brain at ringside. In this matchup, Batista is very much in for a Rude Awakening
     
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  8. Pay Per Ghost

    Pay Per Ghost squashed Disco Inferno to become

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    Batista is a far better worker than Warrior, who the fuck is comparing those two?! Just because he shakes the ropes!

    Batista takes this because when he was top dog on SD, he did good for the business and the void left by the leaving AE stars and one failed draw in Brock was filled by him and Cena amicably.

    Rude was brilliant, had the look and the cocky sumbitch grin that you would love smack. But Dave just made a living beating these could have been great workers in his prime so ye....The Animal advances.
     
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  9. Dmbfantomas

    Dmbfantomas Bald Billy was Better

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    Batista is better and should win easily, but Rick Rude's amazing stache' cannot be and should not be ignored. I vote Rude solely for the fact that his face hair is among the most top notch of all time. Probably the best physique in wrestling history, too.
     
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  10. MrMojoRisin

    MrMojoRisin Championship Contender

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    This thread actually makes me sad. Not that Batista is winning. If anyone feels he should win, then go for it.

    No, it's the constant classification of Rick Rude as little more than a mid-carder by a bunch of people who's only live memories of the guy are when he was the bodyguard in DX (if even that).

    Let's make something clear. Rick Rude was not a 'mid-carder'. He was not an 'almost was'. He was one of the best of his era. An era that gets referred to today as the 'Golden Age' to give anyone an idea of how good he was.

    From the very beginning, Rude was a champion wherever he went. His look, his gimmick... promoters and fans couldn't get enough of it, and even before he'd developed into even an average in ring talent (and he ended up being so much more than just that), they would put their top title on him because they wanted this guy selling their shows.

    We have to understand the territory system a little bit here, and get the notion out of our heads that WWF or "NWA" success was the only thing that mattered. When Rude first started, the territory system was alive and well. If you were champion in Florida for example, this was just as important as being champion in Georgia, Texas, or anywhere else. Sure, some territories were bigger and more prestigious than others... but the thing there, is that Rude worked the bigger and more prestigious territories, and they always put him on top.

    Florida made him their champion when they were one of the most important territories in the country. Memphis was always one of the most important territories, and they made him their champion when they got him. Texas made him champ when they got him, and even seceded from the NWA and went it on their own while having him as their champion. The popularity of the Von Erichs was the main reason for this. Having someone like Rude as their champion though, was also a part of why they were so confident to do that. JCP made him their tag champion when they got him, and for those who've been educated to the fact that tag teams are a step down and not that important over the last 10-15 years... back then that wasn't the case at all. Tag teams were extremely important, would routinely be a focal point of any promotion, and many guys had extremely successful careers doing nothing more than wrestling in tag teams. It spoke a lot for Rude that JCP would immediately put him on top with that title, especially considering the quality of tag teams they already had (Road Warriors, Midnight Express, Rock N' Roll Express to name a few). When he went to the WWF, he was placed with Heenan and the Heenan Family. A top, coveted spot for any heel wrestler in the 80's. And he wasn't just a member. He was a centerpiece of that faction. True he never got to work with Hogan like other top Heenan wrestlers, but politics came into play here. You see, Rude was a straight shooter. A man's man, and one of the true, legit tough guys in the business. He was the type of guy that despite his gimmick, never took his wedding ring off. He'd just put tape over it before he competed. He wasn't the biggest fan of Hogan as a person, and honestly, Hogan didn't want to work with him because of it. He was afraid that if Rude went off script, that he would get seriously hurt, and if Rude didn't like the script there was that danger. Not that Rude would have (Hogan was so big that no one in the World would take liberties with him, no matter how they felt about the man), but as far as Hogan was concerned, he didn't want to take the chance, so Rude never got that opportunity.

    However, despite that the WWF pushed Rude hard. They made him Intercontinental champ when that title was at worst the 3rd most important in the World anywhere outside of Japan (and it could be argued was more important than the NWA/WCW title by this point). With the WWF makeup at this time, that was the literal peak that Rude could have ever expected. Heels just were not meant to be anything more than an extremely brief transitional champion. A long term IC title reign was a better spot for a WWF heel. They put him over the Ultimate Warrior when they were building the Warrior to be their successor to Hogan, and no one went over him. They trusted him to be the guy who put the Warrior over after they had him succeed Hogan. It didn't work, but no one in the know ever blamed Rude for that. No one was getting Warrior to that next level.

    Had Batista worked in the same time period, he would not have had more success than Rude. At best, he would have had equal success, but that's it. Also, at any point in Dave Batista's career was he ever considered to be the best in the World? Not kayfabe World Champ or anything like that. Critically considered to be the absolute best? He wasn't... but Rude was. When he left the WWF for WCW, was made US Champ and the centerpiece of the Dangerous Alliance, he was widely considered by all who mattered to be at the absolute peak of his game, and the best wrestler in the World. Period. That WCW dropped the ball and didn't make him more than US champ is their folly. They wanted to build around Sting as their Hogan/Warrior instead of making Rude their next Flair and building Sting with an epic chase to take the title from Rude.

    Also, remember when Batista came back after being away for several years? How well was he received? Compare that to when Rude came back after being away for several years in ECW. How well was that received? Please feel free to look it up. Rude coming back went over huge, and he didn't even wrestle. Every time he came out, he always left them wanting more. Batista coming back? Fans couldn't wait for him to leave again.

    Vote Batista if you need to. But please do not try justifying it by saying that Rick Rude was 'just a mid-carder' or an 'almost was'. He was anything but that.
     
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  11. Lowdown

    Lowdown Ooh baby I like it roooaaaaw!

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    I voted for Rude, mainly due to the nostalgia factor. Batista did have a better run, and he won the big one on multiple occasions. In WWF, Rude was kinda stuck in purgatory because of the period he was in. There was no way he was going to be a top guy when you had Hogan, Andre, and Savage at the top of the mountain. Not saying that Batista didn't work his ass of to get to the top, but would be have achieved his level of success without Trips and Flair? I know Rude had Heenan for a period, but the guy had a way to draw mad beat on his own. Plus, Rude was a better grappler. Batista was all power in his technique.
     
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  12. jmt225

    jmt225 Global Moderator

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    Man, this would have been a great match and feud.

    Batista is so fucking underrated. The man can go. For a musclebound freak entering the business in his late thirties and having a good portion of his prime in his forties.... the guy was unbelievable.

    Rick Rude, what can you say? He was awesome. Greatest look, EVER. Could sell like no other. AWESOME on the mic. Charisma out of this World. He had it all.

    Batista wins though. I like everyone else believe it's a travesty that Rude was never World Champion, but he wasn't; Baitista was. And usually I wouldn't put too much into that, but Batista wasn't just a World Champion, he was a GREAT World Champion.

    Even though I like Rude slightly more than Batista, I have to vote for the true all time great here, and that's Batista.
     
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