Miz and Morrison... Who Will Be More Successful?

[Turd Ferguson]

We haven't had this discussion in a little bit, and I couldn't find the old thread. However, with how things have been recently progressing, it's time to revisit this discussion as to who between The Miz and John Morrison is going to attain the most success in both the short and long term.

I think it's safe to say that it won't be anything like Shawn Michaels and Marty Jannetty (that's more the case of Hawkins and Ryder... in fact, I'd even wager that in three years, "Curt Hawkins" will replace "Marty Jannetty" as a prime example of failure once a tag team splits), but I'm starting to see two clear paths start to define these two wrestlers, and it's becoming apparent that as of right now, The Miz is so much closer to being a World Champion than John Morrison is.

Over the last few months, The Miz weathered a storm that could have killed him with the John Cena feud. It started off very promising with The Miz getting his shots in on Cena, and then the actual matches too place and Cena destroyed The Miz, flat out. That's very hard to recover from. I thought that at the time, they wanted to give Cena something to do, but it seems more and more that they were testing the waters with The Miz, who is gaining confidence with each appearance. They wanted to see if The Miz would let something like that deter him, and he didn't. It also seems there were shades of Jericho/Goldberg there. Since then, he gained the US Title, and he's had a great reign. He also has the crowd "singing along with him" during his promos. He now, more than ever, seems like he's on the cusp of superstardom. That worked-shoot promo from Raw a few weeks ago was his coming out party. The WWE sort of let him go off-script, and we got an amazing promo out of it, which supports my theory that more improv can only improve the product. The fans care about The Miz. And now with him main eventing Raw a couple of weeks ago, as well as his music change, it seems like they really want to turn him into a star. I think that he's really the next Chris Jericho. I can see him getting involved in a major feud with either Triple H or Shawn Michaels this year and at the very least co-headlining a Pay Per View.

I think that by the Summer of 2011, he'll be a World Champion. He's so loaded with potential right now and he WANTS to be at the top. He's taking it upon himself to get himself over and it's working.

John Morrison on the other hand, has hit a wall. He's still very awkward as a face, and that's killing him right now. Yes, he can put on great matches still, but I'm not hearing the "Next HBK" comparisons too much anymore for him. His face promos come off as being awkward as well. There were times during that Braveheart promo with McIntyre that I cringed with how corny he came off as being. They're pushing McIntyre at his expense right now. It sucks, because Morrison is so much more talented than McIntyre, but he needs a charisma infusion, badly. It shows though, that the WWE at this point in time, does not see Morrison as a main eventer like they do The Miz. They even had Miz dominate their feud to get that point across.

If Morrison were allowed to be a heel, perhaps he'd show some of that potential that he's shown over the last few years that has been squandered.

So, what do you think about these two? Do you think that The Miz will be more successful than John Morrison? Or do you think that they'll ultimately have the same level of success?

If The Miz is going to be bigger than Morrison (which is clearly the case right now), how would you define their career trajectories? I think the example of The Hardys is unfair to Morrison, as The Miz isn't a colossal fuckup and Morrison isn't a fat idiot who thinks he's better than he is.

I'd say the more apt example would be Edge and Christian, with Morrison being a reliable hand that can sift in an out of the main event and midcard and is insanely popular. Good enough to be near the top, but not at the top. More talented in the ring than his former partner as well.

What do you guys think?

 

[tna_fan_man]

i see miz and morrison as the new rockers. i mean come on morrison has every right to be the next HBK. both were tag specialists & eye candy for the laides. i like morrison because he rimnds me of hbk.

miz is just a dooche bag seriously, I'm awsome. who cares when's the last time he even defended his title.

 

[ZeroVX]

I agree with a lot of things you said. When Miz and Morrison were heading for the split last year, I truly thought that Morrison would head to RAW and move towards the main event, while Miz would go to Smackdown. I was shocked to find the exact opposite happening. But then I thought that Morrison would become a world champion much faster on Smackdown, as the glass ceiling was much thinner on that show, while Miz would stick in the midcard on RAW.

And here we are, almost a full year later. Morrison has challenged for the world title at least once, but is now in the midcard, jobbing to McIntyre, the most overrated talent on the whole show. Miz is the US Champion, and is cutting some of the best promos on RAW right now. He's already had a decent feud with John Cena, and is in a very good one with MVP right now, who was also supposed to be moving up a short while ago.

So, yes, now I can see Miz becoming a world champion much sooner than Morrison. Which is a shame, because while Miz cuts the better promos, Morrison is the better talented in the ring of the two. Morrison should probably turn heel after taking some time off to re-evaluate his character. I think that would help give him the boost he needs.

 

[Remix]

They'll be on the same tier of success I expect (i.e. main eventing world champs), though as of right now I think Miz will be there first, though I prefer Morrison.

The problem that Moprrison has right now though is that he hasnt done much recently. In the summer he was being prominently featured on Smackdown (much like the Miz is now on Raw) and hasn't been moving up the card like he was before he took Rey's place as 'official Dolph squasher' and as a consiquence he's not as hot as he was a few months ago. That's not to say that he can't recapture that momentum again, which he could do easily as either a face or a heel by doing something big, and pulling it off (for example being the one to stop HBK's run at 'Taker by eliminating him at the Rumble, winning MitB or fucking doing something.

And what about Joey Mercury? He never ammounted to anything except a reason not to try emulating The Hardy Boyz at home. Hawkins will just be forgotten while Jannettey will forever be the symbol of meh.

 

[Encyclopedia of Wrestling]

Really this Question? I mean the Miz is great but John Hennigan aka Morrison has It all to be the next anything he wants...The Jiz is only limited to being Mr. Ed meets Chris Jericho. minus the musical talent...he is famous for acting like a jackass on the not so Real World...Please Really? Really? Give John the Mic and he kills just about everyone on it even the great HHH dare i even say the Rock....He is the HBK and The Jiz is the Brooklyn Brawler...he isn't even a Marty Jannetty.

 

[SwimminInIndy]

Really this Question? I mean the Miz is great but John Hennigan aka Morrison has It all to be the next anything he wants...The Jiz is only limited to being Mr. Ed meets Chris Jericho. minus the musical talent...he is famous for acting like a jackass on the not so Real World...Please Really? Really? Give John the Mic and he kills just about everyone on it even the great HHH dare i even say the Rock....He is the HBK and The Jiz is the Brooklyn Brawler...he isn't even a Marty Jannetty.

I disagree with a lot of this...

John Morrison does have the tools and look to be the next star, but when he is on the mic it seems like it is super-scripted, and sounds unatural at times.

The Miz is gold on the mic, he is having some of the best bits on Raw right now, and I know I am not alone in saying that his parts on Raw is what I look foward to. He may not be up to Morrison's ring work now, but at least his moves are "realistic" and not all flippy (if that is a word).

Morrison is NOWHERE NEAR the mic skills as the Rock, so you shouldn't have dared to say that.


That all being said, I think Miz will be the first with the title (wasn't he just voted to win the Rumble by the fans?), and not far behind will be Morrison. I think they will both be feuding with eachother and others at the main event level in a few years.

 

[Remix]

the fans on WWE.com are either idiots or trolls. I remember when they voted Val Venis to be in a top title match (i think it was when Cena tore his pec just before a PPV).

and ontopic, EOW I disagree. The Miz has already cemmented himself as a top heel on Raw, with consistently awesome mic work. What he's famous for outside the WWE is irrelevent, since he's not on the real world any more. Morrison's great when he's insulting people (see: him implying Ziggler ejaculates prematurely), but at other times he's just bad (see his interview where he calls himself a tree that can move and fly around). But his cornyness can be awesome at times (e.g. him coming out in a kilt covered and face paint), and he's getting better at the serious stuff.

 

[axl626]

I don't get this whole Morrison is better thing. The two wrestle different styles. Morrison is the high flyer who tries to get the crowd to pop and Miz is the guy who seems more methodical at what he does. I'm not trying to take anything away from either but historically it's been much more difficult for a flyer to get the big title. I kind of hope that they pull a Guerrero/Benoit with these two at a future Wrestlemania.

 

[rjdonuts]

What is ultimately at stake here is the question: what is the fastest way to get over? Face or heel? I think heels get over better because they have more options in terms of soliciting the desired crowd reaction. Faces just hit all their signature moves, talk about how motivated they are to be the best, and win.

This being said, I think Miz in on the faster track and will be more successful in the short term. His mic skills and his ever-improving ring work will help elevate him. John Morrison may end up staying around in WWE longer than the Miz and thus he may eventually supercede him in the success department on account of his athletic ability.

But when you look at all the greats, they cut their teeth as heels: hbk, bret hart, HHH, flair, austin, and the rock to name a few. Morrison is nowhere near as charismatic as any of these (and yes, bret hart did have his own...a...unique form of charisma), whereas the Miz is. So I think Miz in the short term, Morrison in the long term.

 

[Savage1]

The biggest problem I see with John Morrison is his inability to cut a good promo or have anyfluidity and charisma on the stick! He has all the talent and natural athletic ability in the world but if you cant put the two things together, you will never get people really interested. Bret Hart didnt have much ability on the mic early on in his career and thats why The Anvil was the mouthpiece for the team for so long. But as time went by Bret learned how to work the mic and obviously became one of the most popular and successful stars ever. Personally I believe that Morrison will figure out how to work the crowd and the mic and will have a very successful career...but...The Miz is already there! He has got it! the dude isvery entertaining and he really wants to be a huge star. It's evident that he loves what he is doing, you can see it in his work and hear it in his promos. For me personally I think Miz will be a World Champion before Morrison and I think he will have a more successful career because he will reach that top level before Morrison will. I like both guys a lot but as of right now, The Miz is the better of the two and is pretty damn enjoyable to watch...and he will only get better!

 

[thepalaceprince]

I agree with most of what you said especially about the miz. Clearly hes heading in the right direction. However you brought up this knock on morrisons promos and personally I dont get it. I was at the smackdown taping tuesday and morrison cut a promo and I thought he sounded great. I think the issue isnt him as much as it is the material. I think morrison has grown on the mic over the years and is starting to get comfortable which is why hes been cutting more promos lately. Which I think also supports yur theory that letting these guys go off the script would go a long way. In the end I think both will end up in the main event as world champions but it really seems like miz is gonna get there quicker. But I will also say this altho its a long shot I wouldnt count morrison out as a dark horse to win the rumble and if hes in the mitb match this year he will definately use that as his stage to get over and get a push

 

[TheAnyNightDelight]

I dont hate morrison being face as much as you guys...in fact...he's become one of my faves since...he could make a great WWE champ sum day...but Miz is doing great, i must admit...They given him a (not completely) new attitude...rather than being a loser who thought he could jus call out and defeat Cena into a much rather chilled cocky character who is getting as good as he says...they are different in the 2 main areas:

Mic Skills: The Miz (i luv morrison but its tru)
In-Ring Skills: John Morrison (By Far)

Its a shame because WWE changed their mind and r instead pushing McIntyre (who sux!) at the cost of morrison. It would deeply upset me if Morrison waas to go heel again. He was good, but i like him more a face. Miz is a more straightfoward champ whilst i can see Morrison winning the MITB and cashing in successfully.

 

[RicSpade]

Well I like the fact that each wrestler has progressed since the split.
You have Morrison who seems to step up arsenal every match, and seems to have a strong sense of wrestling talent, I still think his mic skills are lacking which is why we haven't seen much coming out of the mouth of the shaman of sexy, but think of it like RVD his skills weren't the best promos ever, but all he had to do was go R V D and the crowd popped but his skill set is off the hook.

Then you have Miz which changed his look after one week of being off Raw which came as a surprise I would've held him off longer and changed his look and music and everything else about him.

Really the problem is there isn't real progression with Miz his promos are getting staler then a box of cheerios sitting out on the counter for two years. The only things he has is Really? and I'm the Miz and I'm awesome. He always talks about his career as a washed up reality star. So what you were on MTV? Morrison was on MTV in TE. If the Miz can propel himself and use something else in his promos I could give him more props, but his promos are starting to sound like John Cenas watered down PG promos about Hustle Loyalty and Respect and being the best that still only 40% of the crowd cheers to.

So until I see more progression with the Miz (no putting a title on a guy isn't progression Carlito and Santino and Big Rob Terry are prime examples of this) then I have to say that Morrison right now will be more successful.

 

[classicviolence]

John Morrison, simply because I see him as a multiple time World Champion. JoMo has already proven that if you give him a mic (without being overly scripted), he can do great things. His ECW title reign was the best thing he has done and WWE needs to allow him to do his thing without so many hands in the pot.

Miz, is the flavor of the month. Granted his in ring skills have improved, however he is all charisma with little ring work. While that may get him over for the short term I dont think that will lead to him being a World Champion. I just cannot see Miz as world champion material. Remember, this is his first singles title while, while JoMo is a former ECW Champion as well as a multiple time IC champion.

WWE is building the sympathy angle for JoMo, is build his fanbase. Kinda like how CM Punk jobbed to Chavo, then won MITB.

 

[acstylez]

The biggest problem I see with John Morrison is his inability to cut a good promo or have anyfluidity and charisma on the stick! He has all the talent and natural athletic ability in the world but if you cant put the two things together, you will never get people really interested. Bret Hart didnt have much ability on the mic early on in his career and thats why The Anvil was the mouthpiece for the team for so long. But as time went by Bret learned how to work the mic and obviously became one of the most popular and successful stars ever. Personally I believe that Morrison will figure out how to work the crowd and the mic and will have a very successful career...but...The Miz is already there! He has got it! the dude isvery entertaining and he really wants to be a huge star. It's evident that he loves what he is doing, you can see it in his work and hear it in his promos. For me personally I think Miz will be a World Champion before Morrison and I think he will have a more successful career because he will reach that top level before Morrison will. I like both guys a lot but as of right now, The Miz is the better of the two and is pretty damn enjoyable to watch...and he will only get better!

First It's funny how we constantly overlook someone for not being able to talk. Personally I think WWE focuses too much on talking. 55% of the there show is talking. No be honest doesn't this seem to familiar. What happend to Wrestling being about action ? Secound THE ECW Title is a World championship so Morrison has already won.

 

[Sean Valjean]

I think they'll have the same amount of success in terms of reaching the main event; I just think Morrison will get there quicker.

Miz is a beast right now. He's at the top of the list of mic workers on the roster, and improves every week in the ring. The only thing that's going to hold him back from the main event is his size. I've said before that Miz will probably need to take the Jericho/Edge route to top; years and years of build up before finally winning the big one.

Morrison on the other hand is great to watch in the ring, and underrated on the mic IMO. He's not nearly as bad as people make him out to be. I think what's hurting JoMo most is the overscripting of promos in WWE. If you've ever watched the Dirt Sheet, his great in that, largely because he had freedom to say whatever he wanted. If they let him be himself more, his promos would come off better (though the same could be said of alot of superstars). Still, Morrison will win a world title first because he has the look WWE likes, and they've been pushing him harder than Miz.

Regardless, I see great things in both of their futures.

 

[BooCocky]

Who will be more successful? That's easy, the Miz. He's a heat magnet and the man improves weekly. By this time next year he might be in the main event. Morrison on the other hand is a waste. He isn't very good and I still believe he has a hard time getting over, even though he has been given some high profiled matches.

Ever since the Miz has moved to Monday nights he has been a relevant character. Morrison on the other hand is fading away, getting lost in the mid card. Losing his title and not moving up. The Miz has had some successful feuds, Morrison hasn't.

To get over in the WWE you need to be able to cut a promo and you have to ooze charisma. Those are characteristics the Miz has, and Morrison doesn't. The Miz has all the tools to become successful, Morrison on the other hand is trying to get over on his moves and looks alone, and that's not easy to do. When it's all said and done the Miz will have the more successful career.

 

[Jonnie Walker]

Morrison has been around longer and has held more titles, but Miz will be better. Morrison is jobbing to the most overrated person in WWE (McIntyre). McIntyre has showed me nothing other than he has a cool finisher and looks gay (no offense to gays). Miz on the other hand is kicking midcard ass on Raw and cutting the second-best promos in WWE, first would be Jericho. Yes, Miz is better on the mic than Punk. Deal with it. Morrison is better in the ring by far, and has an amazing entrance and a better look, but has not shown much Charisma. Miz has a decent look and is good in the ring, but can draw heat amazingly. Miz and Morrison will probably end up equal. I thought by now Miz would be jobbing to everyone and their mother, and Morrison would be a World Champ. You can't say you didn't think so. I thought Morrison carried the team. But Morrison is like MVP. He was a great heel, but as a face he has fallen flat on his face. Morrison has probably the best in-ring skills of anyone in the company, but is like Shelton. Lacking charisma or mic skills. That's gotta be his problem. I don't think he's bad on the mic, but his jokes are corny. Mr. Ziggles? Really? The William Wallace thing I found kinda funny, but Morrison isn't as good unless he's ripping on nerds with Miz (or ripping on Miz). Morrison should win a title this year, maybe even a World Title, and by the end of the year, so will Miz. Morrison should win MiTB since Edge is coming back at the RR. Honestly, Miz and Morrison are the future. They will both be great.

 

[Tha' Hi-Def Poet]

It has became obvious that WWE is giving The Miz a huge push in the right direction. He is loaded with potential, and I have been saying for awhile now, that if he stays on track, he is a future hall of famer. You heard it from me first, FUTURE HALL OF FAMER. He cuts promos like few others are capable of doing. He works the mic better right now, that I think anybody else in the business today. Everytime he gets in the ring, you can see improvement from his last match. It really makes me excited to see the future of the company when you look at the young talent that have the opportunity to take control when the time is theirs (The Miz, Kofi Kingston, Ted DiBiase, Morrison, etc.)

With my opinion of The Miz stated, I'll move onto Morrison. He has more in ring potential than 90% of the roster. I just really feel that he needs to shed his gimmick. If he is gonna be a face, then they need to get the "pretty boy" image away from him. Even if he is gonna be a heel, they need to find a way for him to cut a promo without coming off as slightly homo (no diss to gay people btw). But he is supposed to be a "womanizer" type of guy, but he really comes off as gay. I still don't see as much of a comparison to HBK as most do, but I see a little. That is mostly the gimmick though. And for him to succeed, I feel they need to stray away from that. He can put on a hell of a show, they just need to find the right persona for him to connect with the fans, whether its heel or face.

But as of right now I would have to say The Miz will be more successful. I could see The Miz holding the World Title before this year is over, and I wouldn't be surprised at all. It's weird saying that about Mikey from The Real World, but it's true, dude is the future.

 

[KKarvox]

Well, they both have great talents in different areas, which is why they meshed so well as a tag team, but i think the miz is probably the one who will go farther. I wouldn't compare it to HBK and Jannety, so much as maybe the Hardys, one will get over big, and the other will be over, but just won't get to the top.

When it comes to the Miz, he is great on the mic, but not really anything special in the ring. He isn't awful, but he isn't anything special. However, he is the only young gun pushed this last year that has really stuck, and gotten over big with the crowd, way more than Kofi and Morrison. He has the crowd into him when he cuts a promo, which is really whats needed in a main-eventer. He is my pick for MITB winner this year, followed by a major push later this year.

Morrison however, i believe will get over, but it will be a while, because his mic skills are just plain awful. He is fairly impressive in the ring, but it's mostly just spot stuff. I think morrison is best in a tag team role, especially when stuck with someone like the Miz who can carry the mic work, while he can carry the match work. Morrison is going to get over probably like Jeff Hardy did, he'll be around long enough for the crowd to get emotionally invested in him, and he'll get over on ring work alone.

 

[Dagger Dias]

So, what do you think about these two? Do you think that The Miz will be more successful than John Morrison? Or do you think that they'll ultimately have the same level of success?

I think that Miz & Morrison will make history as one of the first tag teams that BOTH guys go on to become main eventers and world champions after splitting up. Everyone kept talking about how Miz was the Jannetty of the team, but the truth is that there is no Jannetty in Miz & Morrison. Both guys are going to become big stars, quite possibly with equal level of success with Morrison having just a little more stardom than Miz.

If The Miz is going to be bigger than Morrison (which is clearly the case right now), how would you define their career trajectories? I think the example of The Hardys is unfair to Morrison, as The Miz isn't a colossal fuckup and Morrison isn't a fat idiot who thinks he's better than he is.

I disagree here. Miz is becoming more over and quickly, but Morrison is still likely going to become the bigger star in the end (even though I predict stardom for them both) because Morrison is still being prepared to be the next HBK while still being Morrison.

I'd say the more apt example would be Edge and Christian, with Morrison being a reliable hand that can sift in an out of the main event and midcard and is insanely popular. Good enough to be near the top, but not at the top. More talented in the ring than his former partner as well.

I halfway agree here. Edge and Christian is a good example since both guys are extremely popular after their split many years ago.... however I'd predict that both guys will have around the same success as Christian, with a world title reign or two for Miz and many for Morrison. Neither one of them will even touch Edge's 9 (soon to be more I bet) world titles and popularity though. Not even Morrison, even if he does fulfill the predictions of many who believe he'll be the next HBK.

 

[HBK-aholic]

I always preferred Morrison, he seemed to have everything to be able to make it as a top star, and I don't think we should give up on that just yet. However I under-estimated The Miz. His work recently has been nothing worse than good, and I think for someone at his stage of the career that's a really good thing. I don't think the likening to The Rockers is true - Jannety almost disappeared of the face of the Earth, and his name is now known by many simply as Shawn's partner in The Rockers. Short of any major personal problems, I don't think the same will happen to either of them.

 

[Dave]

I think that both definitely have a great future in the WWE and both are going brilliantly well in their current roles. Miz is lighting up Raw and although I never liked him, I can definitely see that he has a great mic presence and he is not too shabby in the ring. Morrison is in the exact same boat. Currently, he is doing fantastically well on Smackdown and I can honestly see him winning the Money In The Bank match. To me, it would only make sense if Kofi Kingston or John Morrison won the Money In The Bank match but I could also see The Miz winning it. To be frank, either Miz or Morrison could win and I think that it would be the ticket that both of them need at this current time.

It would propel them into the main event on their respective shows and everyone would buy it. My head tells me that both of them have a great opportunity ahead of them and both have every chance of being future main eventers. However, my heart tells me that I want Morrison to go further. I have always like him more.

 

[Mantaur Rodeo Clown]

I really hate that I like the Miz now. I really just want to put it out of my mind who he is and pretend like he only debuted in 2008, simply because of the steaming pile of shit that he was in 06 and The Real World. But he has proved me wrong and actually developed as a wrestler, becoming the premiere mid card heel of today.

Morrison did his face turn and got him title run. the IWC knows how good he is and we all love singing his praises. The problem with Morrison I feel is that he had to change his character in order to fit his new alignment, and in doing so, the arrogant cocky aspects that made his gimmick so great had to be cut. The Miz on the otherhand was luckier in that he could remain the same character he'd always been and rely on garnering the heat he developed on The Dirt Sheet with Morrison to give him a boost.

In terms of ring work, The Miz has consistently improved whereas Morrison has been at the same level for a while now. However, this is not a detriment, as I feel Morrison kicks serious ass in the ring. Whether you like him or not, a John Morrison match is going to be exciting. You know you're going to see something awesome, and it's this wow factor that makes me really have high hopes for him. You want to see Morrison take on everyone the WWE has to offer. You want to see an HBK match. You want to see another Edge match, or a HHH match. So many options to go with. The Miz however, you only want to see his face get pummeled in. I can't honestly say I look forward to his matches at all, but merely the build and his promo work. That's not to say he's crap in the ring, but he's your generic heel with a pretty standard heel arsenal.

As far as who will be more successful? Basing it simply off this year and The Miz's meteoric rise, you might be more inclined to say The Miz, but I still have massive hopes for Morrison. He has a huge upside, and has suffered more from lousy booking than from lack of talent. The Miz was put into a feud with John Cena, and granted he made it work with his promos, it is still a huge opportunity to get the crowd hating you. Morrison was given matches and told to impress the fans, with very little promo time whatsoever. He had little story at all driving him through a lot of this year, besides "I rock in the ring, period."

If Morrison was built up in a good feud a la Kofi Kingston, and given a story to work with against an opponent to make him look good, I think we could all firmly say that Morrison would be far more successful. It was a bad year booking wise for Morrison, but 2010 could be the year of the Guru of Greatness. Time will tell.

 

[spartan283]

Miz will be champion within the next year. He is only in line behind Kofi Kingston in my opinion who I predict will win this years money in the bank match and cash it in straight after the Wrestlemania main event where Randy Orton will be the winner, he will then beat Orton after his title win which will set up an even deeper feud between the two.
Kofi to walk out of Wrestlemania champion without even being in booked for the main event.