ECW Toronto, Round 3, Match 2: #6 Ricky Steamboat vs. #11 Christian Cage
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klunderbunker
Welcome to My (And Not Sly's) House
The overrated Christian goes down here. Steamboat and it's not even close. Steamboat won the NWA Title when it was the biggest title in the world. He stole the show at WM 3 in front of nearly 100,000 people. At 54 he stole the show at WM 25. He and Ric Flair had what might have been the greatest series of matches in American wrestling history in the late 80s and early 90s and is easily one of the greatest in ring performers of all time.
Christian won the watered down NWA Title and the world title of a distant second biggest promotion in the world. He was in a popular tag team in which his partner's success is at least triple Christian's. His most recent accomplishment is winning the WWE Minor League championship. Really, look at the resumes. You will realize this simply is not debatable.
Ricky Steamboat.
Christian won the watered down NWA Title and the world title of a distant second biggest promotion in the world. He was in a popular tag team in which his partner's success is at least triple Christian's. His most recent accomplishment is winning the WWE Minor League championship. Really, look at the resumes. You will realize this simply is not debatable.
Ricky Steamboat.
SavageTaker
Everybody Has A Price!
Ricky Steamboat should get the win here. He has far more accomplishments than Christian and he is a better worker than him. At age 54 Steamboat proved that he can still go, and that he is still better than most of the guys in the locker room, and that includes Christian.
So if we are talking about Steamboat's prime then he totally smokes Christian. Steamboat has had some of the best and most memorable matches that i have seen, something that I think Christian can't say, except for maybe The 2 ladder matches from the 2 Wrestlemania's, and he wasn't even the one that people remember the most from both matches.
So again Steamboat should take the win here and it Christian shouldn't even come close to him.
So if we are talking about Steamboat's prime then he totally smokes Christian. Steamboat has had some of the best and most memorable matches that i have seen, something that I think Christian can't say, except for maybe The 2 ladder matches from the 2 Wrestlemania's, and he wasn't even the one that people remember the most from both matches.
So again Steamboat should take the win here and it Christian shouldn't even come close to him.
At age 54, I'd rather watch a Steamboat match over any Christian match not involving a ladder. Christian is seriously the most overrated piece of fucking shit by the IWC that I've ever seen. There's absolutely nothing of good quality about him outside of alright promo work. Which the crowd usually doesn't react too, lulz.
Steamboat is great, a true wrestling legend. Numerous great matches, numerous accomplishments and a WWE Hall of famer. Christian is the 2nd rate partner from E&C, who couldn't hang with the big boys and went to the 2nd rate wrestling promotion, failed, then came back and is on the 3rd rate brand fighting and barely beating rookies. Good luck in this one, scrub.
Steamboat is great, a true wrestling legend. Numerous great matches, numerous accomplishments and a WWE Hall of famer. Christian is the 2nd rate partner from E&C, who couldn't hang with the big boys and went to the 2nd rate wrestling promotion, failed, then came back and is on the 3rd rate brand fighting and barely beating rookies. Good luck in this one, scrub.
It's...Baylariat!
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I'll say it...before anyone else thinks it...Stan Hansen would have given a better match to Steamboat than Christian would have. The Dragon is just hands down a better all around athlete than Cage-o-matic.
I'm not too pissed that Christian advanced passed The Lariat, mainly because I knew it would happen. Too many Peeps on the forum. Anyway, although this is ECW, I don't see weapons being a huge factor in this contest...and if Christian wants to stand a chance, he best be getting some ladders and tables handy. Otherwise, it's Steamboat in a route.
Like I said, I don't think weapons play a role in this match, hence Steamboat walks on to the next round...to face Raven. My God...Raven just might make it out of this region. Scary huh?
I'm not too pissed that Christian advanced passed The Lariat, mainly because I knew it would happen. Too many Peeps on the forum. Anyway, although this is ECW, I don't see weapons being a huge factor in this contest...and if Christian wants to stand a chance, he best be getting some ladders and tables handy. Otherwise, it's Steamboat in a route.
Like I said, I don't think weapons play a role in this match, hence Steamboat walks on to the next round...to face Raven. My God...Raven just might make it out of this region. Scary huh?
Gotta say Christian, it's ECW, so his experience in TLC Matches and TNA (where every match seems to be a gimmick match) comes in handy. Steamboat is obviously good but ECW is an evironment he would have no clue in, and I back Christian to pick up the win with the Con-Chair-To.
You know all those long matches Steamboat was part of, those ones he had when he was supposedly at his best? Yeah well if he was really that good then wouldn't they have been shorter? It kinda shows that he's not the best at getting matches over and done with and he struggles to finish guys off.
Steamboat's just not the type of wrestler that can adapt enough to negate the advantage Christian picks up from the Extreme Rules.
He's great, no doubt. One-on-one, he'd take Captain Charisma down. I don't believe it would be as much a walk as some may think though. The ability to use chairs, ladders and other underhanded tactics certainly works massively in favour of Christian, and I'm pretty confident he picks up the win.
He's great, no doubt. One-on-one, he'd take Captain Charisma down. I don't believe it would be as much a walk as some may think though. The ability to use chairs, ladders and other underhanded tactics certainly works massively in favour of Christian, and I'm pretty confident he picks up the win.
Jack-Hammer
YOU WILL RESPECT MY AUTHORITAH!!!!
Steamboat all the way. Cage is a guy that I never really got into, still haven't gotten into him really. I admit the guy's got talent, he's put on some entertaining matches in his time but I don't see him as being in Steamboat's league.
Granted, because of the various TLC matches, some are inclined to give Christian the edge in a hardcore environment. I haven't seen Christian take anything that Steamboat couldn't, particularly since Christian isn't exactly a "hardcore" wrestler either. I admit that Steamboat isn't exactly in his element but, when you look at Christian's career overall, neither is he really. Steamboat is, arguably, the best all around in-ring performer in the history of the business. The only area of wrestling Christian outshines Steamboat has been on the stick and that won't help him unless he tries to use it to gouge out Steamboat's eyes.
Granted, because of the various TLC matches, some are inclined to give Christian the edge in a hardcore environment. I haven't seen Christian take anything that Steamboat couldn't, particularly since Christian isn't exactly a "hardcore" wrestler either. I admit that Steamboat isn't exactly in his element but, when you look at Christian's career overall, neither is he really. Steamboat is, arguably, the best all around in-ring performer in the history of the business. The only area of wrestling Christian outshines Steamboat has been on the stick and that won't help him unless he tries to use it to gouge out Steamboat's eyes.
Just because you've never really go into him, how does that take away from his ability to win a match. If you are just going by who you like, fine. But I'm going by who should win the match.
How much has Steamboat really accomplished? He won the NWA Title once and the Intercontinental Title once.
Christian is a 2 time NWA Champion, 3 time Intercontinental Champion, Current ECW Champion, as well as being European, Hardcore, and a 9 time Tag Team Champion.
By know means is he "not in Steamboat's league.
And he should have the advantage. Christian has won TLC matches, some of the most hardcore matches there are, on the biggest stage of them all at Wrestlemania. Steamboat, on the other hand, has pretty much no experience in hardcore matches.
I've already adressed that Christian has much more hardcore experience than Steamboat. He was a Hardcore Champion in the WWE and has competed in and won several TLC matches. Can't say the same for Steamboat.
Yes, he is.
He may have put on a bunch of really entertaining matches, but how many of those has he won? Christian was in the PWI match of the year in both 2000 and 2001. Even if this was a factor, I'd give Christian the advantage.
No, Christian outshines Steamboat overall.
Good idea, he should do that.
As much of a fan of Christian as I am... Steamboat gets this win in a landslide... He has shown this year alone he can still bring it and in his prime he was the Worlds champion defeating arguably the best ever in Rick Flair. Christian on the other hand had some solid victories in TNA but when he won the Worlds title it wasn't against as solid as competition that Steamboat had. Ricky has the edge technically, agility and speed wise.
I'm going with the obvious vote: Steamboat.
Christian makes it a decent fight under extreme rules, but it won't be enough to overwhelm Steamboat. He's too good for him, and too quick for Christian to use most of the weapons. The crowd will be into the match, and cheer almost everything, but it'll be over in 7-8 minutes.
Christian makes it a decent fight under extreme rules, but it won't be enough to overwhelm Steamboat. He's too good for him, and too quick for Christian to use most of the weapons. The crowd will be into the match, and cheer almost everything, but it'll be over in 7-8 minutes.
I think lots of the people in this thread have been overly harsh on Christian, to be honest, but that doesn't change the facts. Steamboat may be one of the best workers of all time, and he showed recently that he still has it, and I think he'll edge it here.
I don't actually think that weapons will come into it, but even if they do, I think Christian will have enough to overcome the dragon, and he'd lose what would surely be a great matchup.
I don't actually think that weapons will come into it, but even if they do, I think Christian will have enough to overcome the dragon, and he'd lose what would surely be a great matchup.
I'm as big of a peep as the next guy, but Ricky Steamboat is one of the greatest workers of all time. In fact, he's right up there behind Sting, Bret Hart, and Tommy Dreamer as my favorite true babyface to ever grace a professional wrestling ring. The man was a spectacular babyface, and the fan support he has been able to keep over the years proves it. WWE tried everything they could to bury this guy when he wanted time off from the company so he could be home with his wife when his kid was born, but they just couldn't get the job done with him like they could with so many others, because he was just too talented to not be remembered, and he was too much of a class act in real life for anyone to ever hold a grudge against him. And that personality he contains in real life came off so very well on television during his prime (and now). You just knew he was a REAL good guy, and you didn't get that feeling with wrestlers often.
Kayfabe wise, I think Christian would beat Steamboat in ECW, but that's not enough reason for me to vote for him. When it's all said and done, Christian might rank up there with Steamboat as far a greatness is concerned, but for now, Steamboat deserves to defeat Christian in a tournament such as this.
Kayfabe wise, I think Christian would beat Steamboat in ECW, but that's not enough reason for me to vote for him. When it's all said and done, Christian might rank up there with Steamboat as far a greatness is concerned, but for now, Steamboat deserves to defeat Christian in a tournament such as this.
Little Jerry Lawler
Sigmund Freud On Ritalin And Roids
I will take Steamboat in this one. He's better in almost every aspect of the game better than Christian. I believe Christian will hold his own against Steamboat but it will be too much for him at the end and Ricky will pick up the win.
Ricky Steamboat may be an all around better wrestler than Christian, I'll give you that. However, how many hardcore styles matches has Steamboat participated in? The experience here is lopsided in Christian's favor. He's participated in dozens of TLC, street fight and cage matches- and her's been successful at it. Steamboat just wouldn't be capable of wrestling that style of match. Steamboat could try to keep it traditional, but it wouldn't be long until the heel in Christian takes over. Weapons would absolutely be introduced at some point in this match giving Christian the advantage.
Captain Charisma takes this one.
Captain Charisma takes this one.
savagelegacy
Dark Match Winner
I remember thinking Steamboat was overrated back in the 80s and am sad to this day he beat Savage for the belt at WM3.
I don't think we've seen the best from Christian - it may not even be another 5 years til we see him shine the brightest - I am willing to bet that he is a Main Eventer before that time. Guess what? Steamboat was never the top guy of the company. It surprises me that so many people even liked the guy back then, let alone now. Has history been so blurred that morons are actually liking Steamboat? Yes I called you a moron for liking him! Will people 20 years from now idolize David Flair for his US championship win in WCW?
Christian Cage wins this because Steamboat won't even make it due to getting a Federal Express package in the mail stating that he has been fired.
I don't think we've seen the best from Christian - it may not even be another 5 years til we see him shine the brightest - I am willing to bet that he is a Main Eventer before that time. Guess what? Steamboat was never the top guy of the company. It surprises me that so many people even liked the guy back then, let alone now. Has history been so blurred that morons are actually liking Steamboat? Yes I called you a moron for liking him! Will people 20 years from now idolize David Flair for his US championship win in WCW?
Christian Cage wins this because Steamboat won't even make it due to getting a Federal Express package in the mail stating that he has been fired.
Just what I thought, not to take away from Steamboat, but the post Wrestlemania high is easily helping him in this match, much like it took Orton down to the Warrior.
KB, you're argument is flawed in saying that Christian went to a minor league and became the big dog there, um, wasn't that the same thing that Ricky Steamboat did with the NWA title. Steamboat couldn't cut it as a big player in the WWF, so he rejoined the NWA and became the big dog there, mostly due to the fact of peole remembering how good he was in his match at WM3. He road the coat tails of his mid card success to the NWA gold, much like Christian did 15 years later, so gotta call a spade a spade on that one.
Now that being said, I believe Steamboat is pretty damn good, and I think Christian is outmatched here. I like Christian,a nd I'm as much of a peep as the next guy, but he does lose these sort of matches. He lost to a way out of his prime DDP in Toronto at the biggest stage of them all. Sure, no extreme rules or what not, but I can't see it being that much of a difference. I can't see Cage being able to keep Steamboat down long enough for a one man con-chair-to.
KB, you're argument is flawed in saying that Christian went to a minor league and became the big dog there, um, wasn't that the same thing that Ricky Steamboat did with the NWA title. Steamboat couldn't cut it as a big player in the WWF, so he rejoined the NWA and became the big dog there, mostly due to the fact of peole remembering how good he was in his match at WM3. He road the coat tails of his mid card success to the NWA gold, much like Christian did 15 years later, so gotta call a spade a spade on that one.
Now that being said, I believe Steamboat is pretty damn good, and I think Christian is outmatched here. I like Christian,a nd I'm as much of a peep as the next guy, but he does lose these sort of matches. He lost to a way out of his prime DDP in Toronto at the biggest stage of them all. Sure, no extreme rules or what not, but I can't see it being that much of a difference. I can't see Cage being able to keep Steamboat down long enough for a one man con-chair-to.
TheOneBigWill
[This Space for Rent]
Holy crap, Ricky Steamboat proves that being in his 50's he can still moderately go and he gets pushed to the moon regardless the situation at hand.
I love how in an alternative thread, Edge is fighting for his life over a guy who many believe should win on violence alone.. yet in this contest, ruled by Extreme Rules also.. the guy with the edge in violence, Christian, isn't even touching the (at best) mid-card Legend.
The difference between Christian and Steamboat, is Steamboat had maybe a handful of glorified matches that people remember, not withstanding his most important one.. against Randy Savage. When people talk about Steamboat, it's Mania III this, and Savage/Steamboat that. Yet on the flip side, when Capt. Charisma is popped into a conversation.. the list of accomplishments and achievements ranges from top to bottom with a what's what of Championship accolades.
Christian helped reign supreme in the Tag team division. He then went on to become one of the biggest stars T.N.A has ever known, including that of Kurt Angle and Sting (two guys Christian's also defeated, mind you) and on the flip side.. Steamboat can barely get a reaction out of the fans in his prime.. it takes grey hair, Viagra and a fucking energy drink to get a rise out of the crowd for Steamboat.
So Steamboat is a technical athlete.. didn't seem to matter when guy's like Malenko fell to someone less talented than he was by technical stand-points.
Christian is everything Steamboat isn't. Better on the mic, in the ring, through accolades accomplished and by standing in the sport of Wrestling. Christian has been a Main Eventer. Steamboat could barely touch it. Why he's dominating this match is beyond me. I guess people really do respect their elders.
I love how in an alternative thread, Edge is fighting for his life over a guy who many believe should win on violence alone.. yet in this contest, ruled by Extreme Rules also.. the guy with the edge in violence, Christian, isn't even touching the (at best) mid-card Legend.
The difference between Christian and Steamboat, is Steamboat had maybe a handful of glorified matches that people remember, not withstanding his most important one.. against Randy Savage. When people talk about Steamboat, it's Mania III this, and Savage/Steamboat that. Yet on the flip side, when Capt. Charisma is popped into a conversation.. the list of accomplishments and achievements ranges from top to bottom with a what's what of Championship accolades.
Christian helped reign supreme in the Tag team division. He then went on to become one of the biggest stars T.N.A has ever known, including that of Kurt Angle and Sting (two guys Christian's also defeated, mind you) and on the flip side.. Steamboat can barely get a reaction out of the fans in his prime.. it takes grey hair, Viagra and a fucking energy drink to get a rise out of the crowd for Steamboat.
So Steamboat is a technical athlete.. didn't seem to matter when guy's like Malenko fell to someone less talented than he was by technical stand-points.
Christian is everything Steamboat isn't. Better on the mic, in the ring, through accolades accomplished and by standing in the sport of Wrestling. Christian has been a Main Eventer. Steamboat could barely touch it. Why he's dominating this match is beyond me. I guess people really do respect their elders.
Shadowmancer
I am The Last Baron
so am I the only one that thinks that this match would be great? The styles that each bring to the table would be brilliant. Both can go in the ring, Ricky Steamboat still at 50 something. Christian has the hardcore experience, but Ricky was NWA champ when it meant something. Christian was NWA champ and who did he face? Steamboat was champ and he faced Flair. This is all off the top of my head so I am not looking it up right now. This could have been match of the ECW region this round, unfortunately the Edge Vs. Raven match is also occurring. While the hardcore wouldn't be as big as a factor as some would have you believe, I still think Christian has the edge within this match. Steamboat would come out fighting, and I actually can't envision this going either way as the attributes offset each other. I hope it is a draw so we get a three way which would be a good old fashioned three-way dance, not a triple threat.
I was under the impression that ties lead to both being eliminated and a bye for the next opponent. (It's a stupid rule but i believe that is has been changed for this year.)
For once I am resisting temptation to hold off voting. Steamboat should win on his accomplishments yet Christian could out hardcore him. It would be a fascinating encounter. Unfortunately whoever wins this loses to the winner of the frankly epic Edge / Raven hardcore war.
For once I am resisting temptation to hold off voting. Steamboat should win on his accomplishments yet Christian could out hardcore him. It would be a fascinating encounter. Unfortunately whoever wins this loses to the winner of the frankly epic Edge / Raven hardcore war.
Shadowmancer
I am The Last Baron
The thing about ties is that in the first two rounds it leads to a double knockout, however from now on they both go through because three men in a match is gimmick and it is added on to the stipulation in the next round.
Has Steamboat not come back and reminded everyone how great he was this would have been much closer. I am a big Christian fan and he is every bit as good as Edge as far as putting on good matches and promo work goes. Steamboat has had some of the best matches in the history of wrestling period though so he deserved to go through.